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Watch Tower Society v. Jehovah's Witnesses

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jace

Woodbridge, VA

#2 Apr 8, 2012
This has alwys been a legal nightmare for the society's lawyers-

When a bethelite hit a person - does he represent the society or not.
there was an "apostate" who used to stand out front of bethel almost everyday we called him MR COFFEE-

HE WAS acidently hit by a bethel truck driver - he didn't get hurt much but the case was not pretty

over the years the wt has only classified those who are APPOINTED BY THE WT AS being representives

pioneers elder ms, co and do , etc- THEY LEGALLY ARGUED this since these persons names were on file at bethel

in fact when i was a pioneer i carried a pioneer card indicating i was a wt rep

now this is bascially THRU THE SERVICE DEPT not to be confused with the legal dept

legally if you are not part of the CORPORATION then really you don't represent the wt

but the problem was the wt Ran it all together

for example for decades all letters to the congo, elders , pioneers, etc were closed with- NOT A NAME OF A PESON, BUT

WATCHTOWER BIBLE TRACK SOCETY INC NY

so ALL DIRECTIVES PER THEIR OWN LETTERHEAD CAME FORM THE CORP

that is one of the reasons why they dropped that rubber stamp they used in the service dept and got a new rubber stamp that says CHRISTIAN CONGO
of course IT IS THE SAME GUYS AS IT WAS THE WEEK BEFORE who are using the rubber stamp
so it was really just a technical and legal move, nothing really changed

when the wt says that going out in service is a personal ministry, that maybe true, BUT RUNS into problem when organized by the congo under the directions of the corp office

every jw knows the society organizes the FORMAL FIELD ACTIVITY

EVEN AT DISTRCT CONVENTIONS they would ofen organize for a few hours

so who is liable for such arrangements when the corp office is putting it together

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long history of doing corp organized preaching

MODERN ASSEMBLIES HAVE FEATURED PARTICIPATION

At the Cedar Point Convention of 1922 a “Service Day” was set aside where hundreds of motorcars, each with five passengers, were volunteered days before to be led out into the countryside for witnessing from house to house.

In 1933 in the United States there were 12,600 publishers who volunteered to be ready on quick call for house-to-house field service on special missions in areas of civic opposition that interfered with the field preaching work. They were organized in “divisions.” On several occasions the “divisions” comprised 200 automobiles with five workers each. The cars would assemble at a certain rendezvous point at 9 a.m., each car group receiving a territory assignment sufficient for the five workers. Each worker was given a little bag with the special literature to be offered to the public for that morning’s field work.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#3 Apr 8, 2012
*** km 5/78 pp. 5-6 1978 Conventioners in Action!***

Friday morning of the “Victorious Faith” Conventions has been set aside for large-scale field service as has often been featured in the past. The joy of preaching the good news in those previous years will be recaptured as we go forth like “locusts” in a unique field campaign Friday morning. The service will be open to all dedicated Witnesses in good standing, unbaptized ones who meet the requirements to serve in the field (or pp. 128-130), and any others who may wish to accompany an experienced field publisher as an observer.

CAMPAIGN PLANS

Each convention will have a Field Service Department that will work out all the details to carry out the campaign locally. This department will be under the supervision of the “Program Overseer,” who is one of the Convention Committee of three.

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who is liable for this????? Legal dept has great concern

while the service dept loves the sales force on the ground
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#4 Apr 8, 2012
*** km 5/81 p. 5 1981 “Kingdom Loyalty” District Conventions ***

FRIDAY AFTERNOON FIELD SERVICE: Jesus commanded his followers to make disciples of others, sharing the good news that he had taught.(Matt. 28:19, 20) A fine opportunity to do this while attending the assembly is to participate in field service arrangements that will be scheduled on Friday afternoon. The program that day will conclude at 12:40 p.m. All in attendance should be able to get something to eat at the convention site and then be in field service well before 2 p.m

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so these types of events concern the legal dept greatly since per the corp office own printed material they say they are ORGANIZING IT NOT SOME PERSONAL MINISTY ACTIVITY OF A PERSON
abrother

United States

#5 Apr 9, 2012
jace wrote:
This has alwys been a legal nightmare for the society's lawyers-
When a bethelite hit a person - does he represent the society or not.
there was an "apostate" who used to stand out front of bethel almost everyday we called him MR COFFEE-
HE WAS acidently hit by a bethel truck driver - he didn't get hurt much but the case was not pretty
over the years the wt has only classified those who are APPOINTED BY THE WT AS being representives
pioneers elder ms, co and do , etc- THEY LEGALLY ARGUED this since these persons names were on file at bethel
in fact when i was a pioneer i carried a pioneer card indicating i was a wt rep
now this is bascially THRU THE SERVICE DEPT not to be confused with the legal dept
legally if you are not part of the CORPORATION then really you don't represent the wt
but the problem was the wt Ran it all together
for example for decades all letters to the congo, elders , pioneers, etc were closed with- NOT A NAME OF A PESON, BUT
WATCHTOWER BIBLE TRACK SOCETY INC NY
so ALL DIRECTIVES PER THEIR OWN LETTERHEAD CAME FORM THE CORP
that is one of the reasons why they dropped that rubber stamp they used in the service dept and got a new rubber stamp that says CHRISTIAN CONGO
of course IT IS THE SAME GUYS AS IT WAS THE WEEK BEFORE who are using the rubber stamp
so it was really just a technical and legal move, nothing really changed
when the wt says that going out in service is a personal ministry, that maybe true, BUT RUNS into problem when organized by the congo under the directions of the corp office
every jw knows the society organizes the FORMAL FIELD ACTIVITY
EVEN AT DISTRCT CONVENTIONS they would ofen organize for a few hours
so who is liable for such arrangements when the corp office is putting it together
######
long history of doing corp organized preaching
MODERN ASSEMBLIES HAVE FEATURED PARTICIPATION
At the Cedar Point Convention of 1922 a “Service Day” was set aside where hundreds of motorcars, each with five passengers, were volunteered days before to be led out into the countryside for witnessing from house to house.
In 1933 in the United States there were 12,600 publishers who volunteered to be ready on quick call for house-to-house field service on special missions in areas of civic opposition that interfered with the field preaching work. They were organized in “divisions.” On several occasions the “divisions” comprised 200 automobiles with five workers each. The cars would assemble at a certain rendezvous point at 9 a.m., each car group receiving a territory assignment sufficient for the five workers. Each worker was given a little bag with the special literature to be offered to the public for that morning’s field work.
I wonder how much pitty you have for Mr. Coffee?
abrother

United States

#6 Apr 9, 2012
The Commissioner wrote:
www.bit.ly/wts-v-jw
- copied from the JW News web site -
According to the Australian Government, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia operates under the trading name Jehovah's Witnesses.
Some interesting arguments and possible consequences put forth in the JW News article.
Contains some good downloadable PDF documents on the WTBTS and screen images.
Highlights:
The claim that individual Jehovah’s Witnesses are not representatives of the Watchtower Society in Australia, raises a number of very important questions – when considered in the light of current teachings of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses – that literally demand an answer:
Who really are Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Are representatives and volunteers of Jehovah’s Witnesses also representatives and volunteers of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia?
Has the Watch Tower Society misrepresented the facts in order to deceive lay members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia; or, has the Watch Tower Society misrepresented the facts to the Australian government in order to obtain status as a Religious Institution with Income Tax Exemption?
Who is liable for the religious activities of ministers within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, when they engage in the preaching and evangelizing work?
There are many corporations in Australia, but somehow you choose to pick the WTBS of Autralia.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#7 Apr 9, 2012
Quite a scam the WT has developed. Now that they have separated the organization into several parts and the Corporation as its own entity, what will happen when the whole thing goes out of business? Who will get the 100s of millions of dollars?

Bet not one cent will go to those who walk the streets promoting the WT. My guess is it will make the Corporate leaders of the WT very wealthy men, just like in most Corporations.
Jace

New York, NY

#9 Apr 9, 2012
abrother wrote:
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I wonder how much pitty you have for Mr. Coffee?
At the time we all laughed at him along with the jokes cary barber one of the gb used to tell about him

Most jw consider any claimity that befalls one who is speaking. Against the slave is due to speaking against god mouth pc. That. Speaking against Moses parallel thing jw teach

Only info had left the org before I wasted those years. The problem was he fit the perfect type of apostate we were told about and do no one would listen. Unlike today we have folks like you listening everyday and talking to us

I love the net thang

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#10 Apr 9, 2012
The Commissioner wrote:
www.bit.ly/wts-v-jw
- copied from the JW News web site -
According to the Australian Government, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia operates under the trading name Jehovah's Witnesses.
Some interesting arguments and possible consequences put forth in the JW News article.
Contains some good downloadable PDF documents on the WTBTS and screen images.
Highlights:
The claim that individual Jehovah’s Witnesses are not representatives of the Watchtower Society in Australia, raises a number of very important questions – when considered in the light of current teachings of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses – that literally demand an answer:
Who really are Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Are representatives and volunteers of Jehovah’s Witnesses also representatives and volunteers of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia?
Has the Watch Tower Society misrepresented the facts in order to deceive lay members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia; or, has the Watch Tower Society misrepresented the facts to the Australian government in order to obtain status as a Religious Institution with Income Tax Exemption?
Who is liable for the religious activities of ministers within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, when they engage in the preaching and evangelizing work?
Jehovah's Witnesses represent Jehovah God, not any legal entity.

The clue is in the name "Jehovah's" and "Witnesses".

Their service is to God and Christ.

What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...

The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#11 Apr 9, 2012
borgfree wrote:
Bet not one cent will go to those who walk the streets promoting the WT. My guess is it will make the Corporate leaders of the WT very wealthy men, just like in most Corporations.
The Watchtower Society is a NON PROFIT organisation. No members of the Watchtower Society receive any wages. They have taken the legal equivalent of a vow of poverty.

You know that.

Why do you say different?

Since: Mar 09

United States

#12 Apr 9, 2012
The WTBTS represents JW's as a group.
The Commissioner wrote:
www.bit.ly/wts-v-jw
- copied from the JW News web site -
According to the Australian Government, the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Australia operates under the trading name Jehovah's Witnesses.
Some interesting arguments and possible consequences put forth in the JW News article.
Contains some good downloadable PDF documents on the WTBTS and screen images.
Highlights:
The claim that individual Jehovah’s Witnesses are not representatives of the Watchtower Society in Australia, raises a number of very important questions – when considered in the light of current teachings of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses – that literally demand an answer:
Who really are Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Are representatives and volunteers of Jehovah’s Witnesses also representatives and volunteers of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia?
Has the Watch Tower Society misrepresented the facts in order to deceive lay members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia; or, has the Watch Tower Society misrepresented the facts to the Australian government in order to obtain status as a Religious Institution with Income Tax Exemption?
Who is liable for the religious activities of ministers within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, when they engage in the preaching and evangelizing work?

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#13 Apr 10, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The Watchtower Society is a NON PROFIT organisation. No members of the Watchtower Society receive any wages. They have taken the legal equivalent of a vow of poverty.
You know that.
Why do you say different?
I say that because, when the Watchtower Corporation goes out of business, the money from the liquidation will go somewhere, do you know where it will go?

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#14 Apr 10, 2012
jace wrote:
"legally if you are not part of the CORPORATION then really you don't represent the wt.....every jw knows the society organizes the FORMAL FIELD ACTIVITY....EVEN AT DISTRCT CONVENTIONS they would ofen organize for a few hours...so who is liable for such arrangements when the corp office is putting it together."
So it is 'personal ministry' when you are going out in field service with a child under 18 BUT it is FORMAL FIELD SERVICE ACTIVITY arranged by the "volunteer elders" only for accounting for the FORMAL FIELD SERVICE ACTIVITY (JW) HOURS? So is the Watch Tower Society saying the "HOURS" are for the CORPORATE OFFICE OF REPRESENTATIVE ONLY? Do the 'individual volunteers know this? LORDYLORDY!!!!

“the Word was God”

Since: Jul 11

Ashland, OH

#15 Apr 10, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The Watchtower Society is a NON PROFIT organisation. No members of the Watchtower Society receive any wages. They have taken the legal equivalent of a vow of poverty.
You know that.
Why do you say different?
Untrue. Any who work in the Watchtower Society offices have all their food, housing, and medical needs completely paid for. There is nothing about that which can be called "poverty".

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#16 Apr 10, 2012
jace wrote:
This has alwys been a legal nightmare for the society's lawyers-
When a bethelite hit a person - does he represent the society or not.
there was an "apostate" who used to stand out front of bethel almost everyday we called him MR COFFEE-
HE WAS acidently hit by a bethel truck driver - he didn't get hurt much but the case was not pretty
over the years the wt has only classified those who are APPOINTED BY THE WT AS being representives...
Ah, you probably know the nickname for the Bethelite who ran into Mr. Coffee: he was the "COFFEE CREAMER"!

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#17 Apr 10, 2012
Olin Moyle wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, you probably know the nickname for the Bethelite who ran into Mr. Coffee: he was the "COFFEE CREAMER"!
Bethelites all agree fornicators deserve to be run over!
Jace

United States

#18 Apr 10, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses represent Jehovah God, not any legal entity.
The clue is in the name "Jehovah's" and "Witnesses".
Their service is to God and Christ.
What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...
The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...
Gareth every single person who serves on any corp entity of the wt is a jw
All the guys in service.-Writing -teaching committee - publishing committee - ny corp - PA corp. And all the branch offices represent the wt

For decades elders. Co. Do. Branch speakers were always introduced as representives of the. Wt

When the press would ask for someone to speak the society sent a rep

Gareth you are light in the pants man on organizational procedure policies and guidelines

Get baptized first thn become involved in the org structure and then you and I can talk
Jace

United States

#19 Apr 10, 2012
Every elder knows what to do when press ask for a Spoksman
It will always be and has always been a jw who speakes for the society
Would one expect a baptist???

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#20 Apr 10, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The Watchtower Society is a NON PROFIT organisation. No members of the Watchtower Society receive any wages. They have taken the legal equivalent of a vow of poverty.
You know that.
Why do you say different?
Whose are the JW rules and regulations like the pedophile reporting rules? Are those Jesus rules?

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#21 Apr 10, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses represent Jehovah God, not any legal entity.
The clue is in the name "Jehovah's" and "Witnesses".
Their service is to God and Christ.
What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...
The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...
I meant to comment on this one.

Whose are the JW rules and regulations like the pedophile reporting rules? Are those Jesus rules?

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#22 Apr 11, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses represent Jehovah God, not any legal entity.
The clue is in the name "Jehovah's" and "Witnesses".
Their service is to God and Christ.
What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...
The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...
"Jehovah's Witnesses represent Jehovah God, not any legal entity."

>>>When a salesman from Joes Roofing and Bible Society" comes to your door, the salesman will present the materials of who he/she is representing, those materials would be "Joes", and the salesman would represent "Joes"

When Jehovah's witnesses come to peoples door they offer what they represent, Watchtowers, Awakes, Watchtower books and other Watchtower publications.

They are there to represent the Watchtower Corporation.

Saying they represent Jehovah and Jesus means nothing. Their actions show who they represent.

Every JW knows they offer Watchtower literature and their goal is to start book studies with people and to direct those people to the congregation/WT org.

Jehovah's witnesses are representatives of the Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society. Slight emphasis on "Bible"

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