Drastic changes as Watchtower continu...
jace

Clinton, MD

#80 Sep 24, 2013
an announcement was made at the bethel tanle for breakfast that NO GUEST OR SISTER WOULD BE ALLLOWED to remain after the family wt study on monday night

so on that date all the sisters and guest left

CORRECTION
Remnant143999

AOL

#81 Sep 24, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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No one is on a "free meal ticket".
They all work full time jobs for no pay. Hardly a "free meal ticket".
So do people in jail, you make it sound like that's a good thing!
Remnant143999

AOL

#82 Sep 24, 2013
After 20 years of serving time in prison. At the end of their sentence they are released with $50.00 and clean street clothes. Hey! but they got free meals for 20 years!

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#83 Sep 24, 2013
jace wrote:
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Gareth can i ask you a question?
Why do you as a mere Bible study -quote me in regards to my life experience of being a jw involved in various aspects of th organization ONLY WHEN IT AGREES with your position and then call ME A LIAR the moment i relate something you don't agree with?
I am just trying to understand how you reason
Don't bother... The guy is a walking contradiction....

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#84 Sep 25, 2013
jace wrote:
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just a suggestion
try sticking to what you know, cause when you don't it shows and shows badly
Quite a few apostates are saying that the turnover of workers in Bethel is very high for some "terrible reason" or another.

I can now officially quote you, UNchained and MarcelB to show that they are lying.

Is that okay?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#85 Sep 25, 2013
UNchained wrote:
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Some of them from my area went to bethel over 20 years ago.
Last I heard most of them are still there and the ones who left didn't leave by choice, they were let go for various reasons.
So, most of the people I hear about spend between 2-4 years at Bethel. They even dropped the minimum stay from 4 years to just one year on the application forms.

But are you officially saying that people usually stay in the 10-20 year range?

(not talking about the permanent staff here)

How long would you say that MOST Bethel workers stay for?

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#86 Sep 25, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Quite a few apostates are saying that the turnover of workers in Bethel is very high for some "terrible reason" or another.
I can now officially quote you, UNchained and MarcelB to show that they are lying.
Is that okay?
Usually you don't ask to spray your nonsense around so why would you do it now! Don't let me hold you....

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#87 Sep 25, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Bethelites rarely serve for more then a year or two.
This is what you said....! And now YOU CHANGED it and double it... I never said anything about a number of years.....
Master of misquoting and a walking contradiction, that's what you are.... And if deliberately a BIG LIAR!!

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#88 Sep 25, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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So, most of the people I hear about spend between 2-4 years at Bethel. They even dropped the minimum stay from 4 years to just one year on the application forms.
But are you officially saying that people usually stay in the 10-20 year range?
(not talking about the permanent staff here)
How long would you say that MOST Bethel workers stay for?
I now a few that only stayed a year, but most dont and the reason why they leave from what a few has said to us, is that it was not what they thought, not a spiritual place and a few complained of drinking and other things going on that shocked them.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#89 Sep 25, 2013
MarcelB wrote:
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This is what you said....! And now YOU CHANGED it and double it... I never said anything about a number of years.....
Master of misquoting and a walking contradiction, that's what you are.... And if deliberately a BIG LIAR!!
You said "many years".

All I would like to do is work out which apostates are lying.

Is it the ones who are claiming that most people don't last much longer than a year or two?

Or is it the ones who say that most people stay form *many* years (10-20)?

Because THUS FAR it is other people who have been talking in terms of 20 years, not me.
Remnant143999

AOL

#90 Sep 25, 2013
The whole reason the wtbts is downsizing is because of all the law suites they have lost, and they have lost thier 501c3 status with the IRS?

Since: Aug 12

Aberdeen, UK

#91 Sep 25, 2013
Arkham Bravo wrote:
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Ah, that's horsesh*t! You know how many JWs are on the dole; getting by with supplements from the gov't?!
JWs don't have careers. They have crappy low-wage jobs so of course they have to put their hand-out. The friends from the hall help out from time to time, but since resources are limited across the board, there is not much that can be done.
And the WTBS with their hundreds of millions don't do much for the rank and file ever!! Do you think the WTBS cuts a check to that sister who pioneered for 30 years and is now facing eviction because her social security check doesn't cut it! Hell no! Do you even think she'd be able to write the society for a bailout? Hell no!
This cult has ZERO charities, ZERO social programs to help their members, yet the very churches that do have these programs, they bash!
Next time, try quoting that scripture to the JW who lost their job and now their house is in foreclosure.
God does not give bailouts...the US govt does!!!
Good post.

I remember having serious questions when a lady at my work asked me years ago:

"Do you guys (JWs) donate to your church?"

To which I said "yes". She responded:

"Well if you were ever in a crises situation, such as about to loose your home or whatever, would the church then financially help you out?"

I was stumped. I stumbled and said "well individual members may help out..."

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#92 Sep 25, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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You said "many years".
All I would like to do is work out which apostates are lying.
Is it the ones who are claiming that most people don't last much longer than a year or two?
Or is it the ones who say that most people stay form *many* years (10-20)?
Because THUS FAR it is other people who have been talking in terms of 20 years, not me.
I do not care much about other peoples belief here, I am not part of a group especially not here. Most of the people here I disagree with as they do with me... But that's freedom of speech of religion. I do respect people who are standing fore what the believe in! I don't like people who are dishonest and spreading lies and judge other people for their believes, on that I will react.... So, yeah you can use my quotes as much as you like, but don't misquote or twist my words..... But most likely that's to much to ask looking at your history in postings......

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#93 Sep 25, 2013
Brother P wrote:
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Good post.
I remember having serious questions when a lady at my work asked me years ago:
"Do you guys (JWs) donate to your church?"
To which I said "yes". She responded:
"Well if you were ever in a crises situation, such as about to loose your home or whatever, would the church then financially help you out?"
I was stumped. I stumbled and said "well individual members may help out..."
It's true, in The Netherlands are some churches and their followers who don't belief in insurances... So they don't have these... When one of the churchgoers faces a financial crises because f.i his house burned down, their church builds a complete new house for them....

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#94 Sep 25, 2013
MarcelB wrote:
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I do not care much about other peoples belief here, I am not part of a group especially not here. Most of the people here I disagree with as they do with me... But that's freedom of speech of religion. I do respect people who are standing fore what the believe in! I don't like people who are dishonest and spreading lies and judge other people for their believes, on that I will react.... So, yeah you can use my quotes as much as you like, but don't misquote or twist my words..... But most likely that's to much to ask looking at your history in postings......
So, how long would you say MOST Bethel workers stay?
John Farbotnick

Saugerties, NY

#95 Sep 25, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
The whole reason the wtbts is downsizing is because of all the law suites they have lost, and they have lost thier 501c3 status with the IRS?
I have heard that their contibutions have dropped as much as 50%. That is the reason they are selling their real estate in Brooklyn.

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#96 Sep 25, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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So, how long would you say MOST Bethel workers stay?
I wouldn't know, because I don't know most Bethel workers! The 3 relatives who are working there currently: 4, 6 and 7 years...
And from what I remember, when I was attending the KH meetings, mentioning 20 years as a Bethelite was not exceptional.... at that time!

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Babil, Iraq

#97 Sep 25, 2013
John Farbotnick wrote:
<quoted text>I have heard that their contibutions have dropped as much as 50%. That is the reason they are selling their real estate in Brooklyn.
Those rumours are persistent..... Where smoke is......

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#98 Sep 25, 2013
MarcelB wrote:
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I wouldn't know, because I don't know most Bethel workers! The 3 relatives who are working there currently: 4, 6 and 7 years...
And from what I remember, when I was attending the KH meetings, mentioning 20 years as a Bethelite was not exceptional.... at that time!
the newer ones these days don't stay as long as they used to years back, but there are still quite a few long term oldies at bethel.

Since: Jun 11

Perth, Australia

#99 Sep 25, 2013
John Farbotnick wrote:
<quoted text>I have heard that their contibutions have dropped as much as 50%. That is the reason they are selling their real estate in Brooklyn.
If that is the case I think it is commendable of them to be selling their property instead of pressuring the flock into donating more.

In these economically difficult times it is even more difficult to find a job and it must be even tougher for JWs who have been encouraged not to get a higher education.

Let's hope the GB can be discerning by not pressuring the flock and using special occassions such as the Annual General Meeting as a fund raising venture.

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