Top Bible scholar leaves Christianity

Top Bible scholar leaves Christianity

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ashkarlives4ALLA H

Yemen

#1 Feb 5, 2013
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#2 Feb 6, 2013
MUSLIM CLERICS LEAVE ISLAM AND EMBRACE CHRIST:
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FONTAINE LIES

Carmel, ME

#3 Feb 6, 2013
ashkarlives4ALLAH wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =k6PWFvzKl3IXX&NR=1&fe ature=endscreen
A Biblical scholar leaving the Christian faith does not mean too much when consideration is taken of the other scholars remaining in the faith. But the post where Imams and Shiekhs left a more stringent, community traditional, faith like Islam-well that's a smack in the face of Islam. A college professor giving up on the faith is unlike the impact of teachers and interpreters of the Quran converting to Christianity.

You lose this round in the debate because you are grasping at straws to survive.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#4 Feb 6, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
MUSLIM CLERICS LEAVE ISLAM AND EMBRACE CHRIST:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =19FU7Yyx4D4XX&feature=rel ated
Salaamz & L M A O ! any good Muslim knows already you dont have to leave Holy Islaam to embrace Jesus. Its just that simple. Cheerz

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#5 Feb 6, 2013
ashkarlives4ALLAH wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =k6PWFvzKl3IXX&NR=1&fe ature=endscreen
Ashkar, I listened to lots of Ehrman's debates and I actually like this guy although he's a critic of christianity. Unlike people like Yusus Estes or fake "ex-christians" regular visitors in Deen's Show who never fail to surprise me by their "christian experience" which often leave christians scratch their heads, Ehrman's critics are more profound - he doesn't misrepresent christian positions as those "christians turn muslims"...

That said... why did you post about someone who leave christianity witout entering Islam? Ehrman is not a fan of Islam at all, and his points are often against Islam. For one example, he made it clear that Jesus's death on then cross is a "historical fact". His usual criticism based on "EVIL and SUFFERING" would work even better against Islam, but why he wouldn't address Islam? Check this out:

Bart Ehrman Explains Why He Doesn't Criticize the Qur'an

"As he admits in the following clip, he doesn't criticize the Qur'an because he's worried that Muslims will kill him if he does."

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/10/bart-...

Muslims love to quote Bart Ehrman, because Ehrman criticizes the New Testament. Of course, if Muslims would pay more careful attention to what Ehrman says about the New Testament, they'd realize that his claims refute Islam in two important ways.

First, Ehrman believes that the New Testament is extremely reliable. While he holds that it hasn't been perfectly preserved, that it contains contradictions, and that it isn't the inspired Word of God, Ehrman maintains that we can gather a ton of information about Jesus and early Christianity from the New Testament. Significantly for Muslims, Ehrman says that Jesus' death by crucifixion is indisputable, which thoroughly undermines Muhammad's position.

Second, if Muslims were to apply Ehrman's standards to the Qur'an, they would realize that the Qur'an fails miserably. The Qur'an hasn't been perfectly preserved, it contains numerous contradictions (by Ehrman's standards), and it is far less valuable as a historical source than is the New Testament.

Why, then, doesn't Ehrman criticize the Qur'an and silence the Muslims who appeal to his works? As he admits in the following clip, he doesn't criticize the Qur'an because he's worried that Muslims will kill him if he does. In other words, just as Trey Parker and Matt Stone will gladly mock Christianity on South Park, but won't dare mock Muhammad, so also Bart Ehrman will happily criticize the Bible, while remaining silent on the Qur'an. Why? Because Muslims slaughter people over the Qur'an, cartoons, etc., while Christians don't. Having the most violent religion in history has its privileges.

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#7 Feb 6, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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Ashkar, I listened to lots of Ehrman's debates and I actually like this guy although he's a critic of christianity. Unlike people like Yusus Estes or fake "ex-christians" regular visitors in Deen's Show who never fail to surprise me by their "christian experience" which often leave christians scratch their heads, Ehrman's critics are more profound - he doesn't misrepresent christian positions as those "christians turn muslims"...
That said... why did you post about someone who leave christianity witout entering Islam? Ehrman is not a fan of Islam at all, and his points are often against Islam. For one example, he made it clear that Jesus's death on then cross is a "historical fact". His usual criticism based on "EVIL and SUFFERING" would work even better against Islam, but why he wouldn't address Islam? Check this out:
Bart Ehrman Explains Why He Doesn't Criticize the Qur'an
"As he admits in the following clip, he doesn't criticize the Qur'an because he's worried that Muslims will kill him if he does."
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/10/bart-...
Muslims love to quote Bart Ehrman, because Ehrman criticizes the New Testament. Of course, if Muslims would pay more careful attention to what Ehrman says about the New Testament, they'd realize that his claims refute Islam in two important ways.
First, Ehrman believes that the New Testament is extremely reliable. While he holds that it hasn't been perfectly preserved, that it contains contradictions, and that it isn't the inspired Word of God, Ehrman maintains that we can gather a ton of information about Jesus and early Christianity from the New Testament. Significantly for Muslims, Ehrman says that Jesus' death by crucifixion is indisputable, which thoroughly undermines Muhammad's position.
Second, if Muslims were to apply Ehrman's standards to the Qur'an, they would realize that the Qur'an fails miserably. The Qur'an hasn't been perfectly preserved, it contains numerous contradictions (by Ehrman's standards), and it is far less valuable as a historical source than is the New Testament.
Why, then, doesn't Ehrman criticize the Qur'an and silence the Muslims who appeal to his works? As he admits in the following clip, he doesn't criticize the Qur'an because he's worried that Muslims will kill him if he does. In other words, just as Trey Parker and Matt Stone will gladly mock Christianity on South Park, but won't dare mock Muhammad, so also Bart Ehrman will happily criticize the Bible, while remaining silent on the Qur'an. Why? Because Muslims slaughter people over the Qur'an, cartoons, etc., while Christians don't. Having the most violent religion in history has its privileges.
Ash isn't interested in having a discussion, he just wants everyone to listen to him with no facts to get in the way.

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#8 Feb 6, 2013
Trisha wrote:
Ash isn't interested in having a discussion, he just wants everyone to listen to him with no facts to get in the way.
sort of noticed that...

I don't think he read everything he posted either.

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#9 Feb 6, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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sort of noticed that...
I don't think he read everything he posted either.
Agreed.
As fast as he's posting links, he's have to be a speed reader. Since he doesn't speak English well, I have to think he doesn't understand it as well.

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#10 Feb 6, 2013
Trisha wrote:
Agreed.
As fast as he's posting links, he's have to be a speed reader. Since he doesn't speak English well, I have to think he doesn't understand it as well.
well, then I feel compelled to help him get Ehrman's message about:

From the same clip:



Moderator ask Ehrman: How about working on the Quran?

... Audience laughing ....

Ehrman answerd: "When i stop valuing my life, thats what i will do"

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#11 Feb 6, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
well, then I feel compelled to help him get Ehrman's message about:
From the same clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =sRUSaKDMKJgXX
Moderator ask Ehrman: How about working on the Quran?
... Audience laughing ....
Ehrman answerd: "When i stop valuing my life, thats what i will do"
here's a more complete version of Bart Ehrman's remark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Tell it as it is.”

Since: Jun 12

Australia

#13 Feb 7, 2013
ashkarlives4ALLAH wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =k6PWFvzKl3IXX&NR=1&fe ature=endscreen
To balance it..
Professor of islamic history at Egypt's top university declares islam is a fraud and flees to West.

http://www.arabicbible.com/testimonials/egypt...

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