The Lost Gospel of Jesus

The Lost Gospel of Jesus

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Isreality

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#1 May 10, 2010
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Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#2 May 10, 2010
The Legend of the Lost Gospel

For nearly 2,000 years, all we objectively knew of Jesus came to us primarily through the Biblical Gospels. And yet, for all this time, a great and enduring enigma has loomed over these lofty works. In the fourth century, the ruling authorities of Rome decided which of the countless texts, based on Christ's teachings in circulation at that time, would make up the present-day Bible and deciding once and for all, in effect, which works were to be judged as authoritative and which were not. This decision, unfortunately, carried the undeniable taint of political compromise, and the Bishops making these decisions were doing so at the direct command of the Roman Emperor, and their future financial and social well-being was, and everyone agrees, entirely under his control. It has been whispered ever since the fourth century that much of the true message of Jesus was edited out at that time, due to the oppressive and theologically obtuse influence of Constantine.
The Christian scriptures that failed to be admitted into the Bible were then outlawed, collected, and destroyed.

http://www.thenazareneway.com/legend_of_the_l...
Jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#3 May 11, 2010
Isreality wrote:
The Christian scriptures that failed to be admitted into the Bible were then outlawed, collected, and destroyed.
FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!

Why do you think the accepted Gospels all remained anonymous, but the FAKE ones all gave them a name of a person that was dead?
Jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#4 May 11, 2010
WHO WERE THE GNOSTICS?

Begining in the second century and continuing to the fouth, many individuals faked gospels and gave them the name of a disciple or other eyewitness to fool readers, while the authentic gospels all remained anonymous.
That's why the authentic gospels had to be canonized, and seperated from all of the fakes.

Gnosticism is a general term describing various mystically-oriented groups and their teachings, which were most prominent in the first few centuries of the Common Era. It is also applied to later and modern revivals of these teachings. The term gnosticism comes from the Greek word for knowledge, gnosis, referring to esoteric consciousness, which is claimed by gnostics to be the key to unlocking transcendent understanding, self-realization, and/or unity with God.

The origins of gnosticism are not clearly known, but there is general agreement that threads of the teachings must have arisen somewhere in what is today known as the Middle East and Asia Minor—areas in which several cultures could converge and synthesize.

Gnostic groups became popular around the same time and often in the same places that Christianity did.
Gnosticism was widespread within the early Christian church until the gnostics were expelled in the second and third centuries C.E.
Gnosticism was one of the first doctrines to be specifically declared a heresy and gnostic movements were often persecuted as a result.

After gnostic and orthodox Christianity parted, gnostic Christianity continued as a separate movement in some areas for centuries. Gnosticism has reappeared in various forms throughout history and into the contemporary era.

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Gnosticism
Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#5 May 12, 2010
Jesus is wrote:
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FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!
Why do you think the accepted Gospels all remained anonymous, but the FAKE ones all gave them a name of a person that was dead?
Who wrote the N/T...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translatio...

Development of the New Testament canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_t...

Development of the Old Testament canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_t...

Development of the Jewish Bible canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_t...

Mosaic authorship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorshi...

Authorship of the Johannine works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_th...

You need to read more and spew less...
Buford

United States

#6 May 12, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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Who wrote the N/T...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translatio...
Development of the New Testament canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_t...
Development of the Old Testament canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_t...
Development of the Jewish Bible canon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_t...
Mosaic authorship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_authorshi...
Authorship of the Johannine works
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_th...
You need to read more and spew less...
Criticism of Islam
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Shi'a view of Umar
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Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#7 May 12, 2010
Buford wrote:
That has nothing to do with the canonizing of the bible. Start your own post, for that topic of yours.
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#8 May 12, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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You need to read more and spew less...
LUKE 1:1-4:
"Inasmuch as MANY HAVE UNDERTAKEN TO PUT TOGETHER AN ACCOUNT OF THE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FULFILLED AMOUNG US, just as those who were from the beginning eyewitnesses and servants of the word handed down to us, it seemed to me that I SHOULD WRITE ACCURATELY and orderly for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you would realize the certainty of the matters about which you have been instructed."

REJECTED BOOKS WIDELY USED WIDELY IN THE FIRST TWO CENTURIES:
www.bible.ca/b-canon-rejected-books.htm ·
THE BIBLE OTHER GOSPELS:
http://bibleandscience.com/bible/othergospels...
Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#10 May 13, 2010
Jesus Is wrote:
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LUKE 1:1-4:
"Inasmuch as MANY HAVE UNDERTAKEN TO PUT TOGETHER AN ACCOUNT OF THE EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FULFILLED AMOUNG US, just as those who were from the beginning eyewitnesses and servants of the word handed down to us, it seemed to me that I SHOULD WRITE ACCURATELY and orderly for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you would realize the certainty of the matters about which you have been instructed."
REJECTED BOOKS WIDELY USED WIDELY IN THE FIRST TWO CENTURIES:
www.bible.ca/b-canon-rejected-books.htm ·
THE BIBLE OTHER GOSPELS:
http://bibleandscience.com/bible/othergospels...
The book of Jubilees
Epistle of Barnabas
Shepherd of Hermas
Paul's Epistle to the Laodiceans
1 Clement
2 Clement
Preaching of Peter
Apocalypse of Peter
Gospel According to the Egyptians
Gospel According to the Hebrews

If they were widely used at one time by the masses, then who, all of a sudden pulled their use out of the picture and why?
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#13 May 13, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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The book of Jubilees
Epistle of Barnabas
Shepherd of Hermas
Paul's Epistle to the Laodiceans
1 Clement
2 Clement
Preaching of Peter
Apocalypse of Peter
Gospel According to the Egyptians
Gospel According to the Hebrews
If they were widely used at one time by the masses, then who, all of a sudden pulled their use out of the picture and why?
BOOK OF JUBILEES:
Internal evidence dates this work at about 135-105 BC, during the tenure-in-office of John Hyrcanus as the chief Maccabaean ruler. The author was most likely a Pharisee who's object was to counteract his era's version of a secularizing trend, which was Hellenism. The result is a thorough revision of the texts of Genesis and the early chapters of Exodus, to remove anything critical of national Israel and its forebears and to give glory to Israel as a set-apart place. It was rejected from the old Testament because it was not considered inspired by God.

EPISTLE OF BARNABAS:
Internal evidence suggests that Barnabas was written after the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. and 132 C.E. The place of its origin remains an open question, although the Greek-speaking territory of the Eastern Mediterranean is most likely.

Although the work is not Gnostic in a heterodox sense, the author intends to impart to his readers the type of perfect gnosis (special knowledge). His concern is that his audience must realize that the Christians, rather than Jews, are the only true people of God's covenant. It was rejected because of its late date,(90-130 AD.) and it wasn't considered inspired by God.

SHEPHERD OF HERMAS:
The evidence for the date and place of complosition of this work is in the language and the theology of the work. The authors familiarity with Bibles 'Book Of Revelation' tells that it was written in the 2nd century.
A manuscript fragment written in A.D. 170 says it's author was the brother of Pius 1, the Bishop of Rome.

PAUL'S EPISTLE TO THE LAODICEANS:
The book appears to be merely a compilation of materials from Paul’s other letters. It contains no unique ideas. This argues that it was a "safe bet" forgery.

1 CLEMENT:
Clement is believed to be a young, personal co-worker with Apostle Peter.
It is likely that 1 Clement, was uninspired because he refers to the mythical phoenix as an actual living creature!

2 CLEMENT:
This book is widely rejected as being a forgery that was tying to build on 1 Clement.
It is seen as being written much later than 1 Clement.

PREACHING OF PETER:
The book was rejected as a forgery because of its late date.

APOCALYPSE PETER:
The book was rejected as a forgery because of its late date. Metzger puts the date at about 125 - 150 AD. Peter was dead.
Some have noted that the book has similarities in style with the much later "Dante's Inferno" (1300 AD)

GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE EGYPTIANS: Metzger puts the date at about 150 AD. It was accepted only in Egypt.
It has heretical doctrinal slant of the Gnostic Encratites. "Literally, "abstainers" or "persons who practised continency", because they refrained from the use of wine, animal food, and marriage." (New Advent Catholic Enyclopedia, Encratites)

GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE HEBREWS:
The date of the book is difficult to know but may be as early as the first century. The book has been forever lost: "The Gospel according to the Hebrews" was a work of early Christian literature to which reference is frequently made by the church Fathers in the first five centuries, and of which some twenty or more fragments, preserved in their writings, have come down to us. The book itself has long disappeared." (ISBE, Hebrews, Gospel According To The, 1915)
This book was never considered canonical.
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#14 May 13, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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If they were widely used at one time by the masses, then who, all of a sudden pulled their use out of the picture and why?
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THEY WERE NEVER REALLY IN THE PICTURE!
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#15 May 13, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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THEY WERE JUST WRITTEN LONG AFTER THE SAID-AUTHOR WAS DEAD!
When was the N/T written? Long after the authors were dead,.Same scenario.
IF THE SAID-AUTHOR WAS DEAD, THEN THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY FAKES!

DATE WRITTEN - TITLE - AUTHOR - DATE OF DEATH:
35 - Matthew - Matthew - sometime in the 1st century.
40 to 41 - James - James - 44 AD
42 - Mark - Mark - 68 AD
late first century - John - John - c 100 AD
50 - 1Thessalonians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
51 - 2Thessalonians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
53(Spring)- Galatians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
56(Late Winter)- 1Corinthians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
57(Late Summer)- 2Corinthians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
57(Winter)- Romans - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
59 - Luke - Luke - 84 AD
61 to 63 - Ephesians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Philippians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Colossians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Philemon - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Hebrews - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
63 - Acts - Luke - 84 AD
1Timothy - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Titus - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
63 to 64 - 1John - John - c 100 AD
- 2John - John - c 100 AD
- 3John - John - c 100 AD
64 to 65 - 1Peter - Peter - 67 AD
65 to 66 - 2Peter - Peter - 67 AD
66 to 67 - Jude - Jude - sometime in the 1st century.
67 - 2Timothy - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
95 - Revelation - John - c 100 AD

Jesus was crucified between 30-33 CE.
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#16 May 13, 2010
I found each authors date of death in Wikipedia. Just type:'apostle Paul' etc into your search engine. The site is always on the top of the list or nearby.
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#17 May 13, 2010
Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#18 May 13, 2010
Jesus Is wrote:
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IF THE SAID-AUTHOR WAS DEAD, THEN THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY FAKES!
DATE WRITTEN - TITLE - AUTHOR - DATE OF DEATH:
35 - Matthew - Matthew - sometime in the 1st century.
40 to 41 - James - James - 44 AD
42 - Mark - Mark - 68 AD
late first century - John - John - c 100 AD
50 - 1Thessalonians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
51 - 2Thessalonians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
53(Spring)- Galatians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
56(Late Winter)- 1Corinthians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
57(Late Summer)- 2Corinthians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
57(Winter)- Romans - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
59 - Luke - Luke - 84 AD
61 to 63 - Ephesians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Philippians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Colossians - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Philemon - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Hebrews - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
63 - Acts - Luke - 84 AD
1Timothy - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
Titus - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
63 to 64 - 1John - John - c 100 AD
- 2John - John - c 100 AD
- 3John - John - c 100 AD
64 to 65 - 1Peter - Peter - 67 AD
65 to 66 - 2Peter - Peter - 67 AD
66 to 67 - Jude - Jude - sometime in the 1st century.
67 - 2Timothy - Apostle Paul - 67 AD
95 - Revelation - John - c 100 AD
Jesus was crucified between 30-33 CE.
How old were all these men when they wrote these books.
also I thought they were eye witnesses?
Why did they wait up to 40 -100 years to start writing?
How then, could they remember exact quotes and scenes, from others other than themselves. Even self quoting oneself, would be a challenge
Dig in deeper.....
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#19 May 13, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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THEY WERE JUST WRITTEN LONG AFTER THE SAID-AUTHOR WAS DEAD!
When was the N/T written? Long after the authors were dead,.Same scenario.
Who told you that the N/T gospels where written long after the said-author was dead? Do you think Christians are that stupid?

The oldest surviving TRANSLATIONS of the gospels were made when the ANONYMOUS authors were dead.
Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#20 May 13, 2010
Jesus Is wrote:
I found each authors date of death in Wikipedia. Just type:'apostle Paul' etc into your search engine. The site is always on the top of the list or nearby.
The earliest extant canon containing Paul's letters is from the second century:
It is a canon compiled by Marcion, the founder of Marcionism. Marcion did not include any of the modern Gospels, only his Gospel of Marcion, which according to his enemies he had edited from the Gospel of Luke, whereas he claimed that it was their version which was edited from his original gospel.

He includes ten epistles by Paul, omitting the Pastoral Epistles (Titus, 1 and 2 Timothy), as well as To the Hebrews.

There is also a list by an unknown author in Rome, usually named the Muratorian Canon. This includes all thirteen of the letters containing Paul's name; it includes other texts since declared to be non-canonical.

Papyrus 46, one of the oldest New Testament manuscripts (c. 200), contains the last eight chapters of Romans; all of Hebrews; virtually all of 1–2 Corinthians; all of Ephesians, Galatians, Philippians, Colossians; and two chapters of 1 Thessalonians. Because it is damaged there is no scholarly consensus on whether to consider the omission of a text definitive.

Scholar Young Kyu Kim dated Papyrus 46 to the first century before the reign of Domitian (pre 81)[62] although other scholars have disputed his early dating.[63]

Read .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratorian_fragm...

http://www.google.com/search...

Paleo-Hebrew alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Hebrew_alp...

Dating the bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
Isreality

Queensbury, NY

#21 May 13, 2010
Jesus Is wrote:
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Who told you that the N/T gospels where written long after the said-author was dead? Do you think Christians are that stupid?
The oldest surviving TRANSLATIONS of the gospels were made when the ANONYMOUS authors were dead.
The oldest surviving TRANSLATIONS of the gospels were made when the ANONYMOUS authors were dead.

What do you mean here....ANONYMOUS authors....Wrote what and when?
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#22 May 13, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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How old were all these men when they wrote these books.
also I thought they were eye witnesses?
I don't know exactly, but Matthew, James, Peter, Jude were young men when Jesus met them, Jesus was crucified in about AD 30, they taught verbally (which was common when so many people were illiterate), and then they wrote gospels to carry on after they died.

John was the only disciple lucky enough to survive, moved away with Jesus' mother, and was urged to write a gospel in his old age.

I'm not sure about Paul but I know he was almost as old as Jesus, so work it out.
Jesus Is

Doncaster, Australia

#23 May 13, 2010
Isreality wrote:
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Why did they wait up to 40 -100 years to start writing?
How then, could they remember exact quotes and scenes, from others other than themselves. Even self quoting oneself, would be a challenge
Dig in deeper.....
It was common at the time to preach and learn verbally because as I said, there were not alot of literate people and writing was an expensive excercise. What would be the point in writing a gospel for contemporaries when no one could read it or afford it?

Church Father Irenaeus wrote in (Against Heresies 3.1.1): "After their departure [death of Peter and Paul], Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter."

HOW DID THEY REMEMBER?....The Holy spirit helped them:
John 14:26:
“ But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

Not only that but they would have had each others writings to act as a guide. Critics complain that this was plagiarism, but they all remained anonymous and were writing to different people. Matthew wrote for Jews, Mark wrote for Gentiles and Luke wrote for Greeks.

There is a popular theory that there was an earlier document called "Q" consisting of Jesus' sayings that they all had to act as a source, but this item would have been very flimsy indeed and hasn't survived. I haven't reasearched "Q", so if you want to learn more about this theory I suggest you look into it.

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