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“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#2674 Mar 15, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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don't you think that the evolution theory somehow contradicts with the Cambrian Explosion ??
you should take in consideration that Charles Darwin discussed the cambrian explosion as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection.
Unknown to Charles Darwin there was simple precambrian multicellular life.
So the explosion wasn't as much of an explosion as previously thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosi...

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#2675 Mar 15, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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Unknown to Charles Darwin there was simple precambrian multicellular life.
So the explosion wasn't as much of an explosion as previously thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosi...
but Wasn't the geologically fast diversification during the Cambrian too fast to be explained by normal evolutionary processes?

some people called the the Cambrian explosion; Biology's Big Bang and others called it Charles Darwin's dilemma.

you are saying that there was simple precambrian multicellular life, and that is exactly the problem, because now we know that the cambrian explosion was the relatively rapid appearance, around 542 million years ago, of most major animal phyla, as demonstrated in the fossil record, This was accompanied by major diversification of other organisms.

so the numbers won't match because evolution is all about natural selection and evolving very slowly and Charles Darwin himself discussed it as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection in 1859.

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#2676 Mar 15, 2014
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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How does the Cambrian Explosion contradict evolution?
simply because the geologically fast diversification during the Cambrian was too fast to be explained by normal evolutionary processes.

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#2677 Mar 15, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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but Wasn't the geologically fast diversification during the Cambrian too fast to be explained by normal evolutionary processes?
some people called the the Cambrian explosion; Biology's Big Bang and others called it Charles Darwin's dilemma.
you are saying that there was simple precambrian multicellular life, and that is exactly the problem, because now we know that the cambrian explosion was the relatively rapid appearance, around 542 million years ago, of most major animal phyla, as demonstrated in the fossil record, This was accompanied by major diversification of other organisms.
so the numbers won't match because evolution is all about natural selection and evolving very slowly and Charles Darwin himself discussed it as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection in 1859.
I'm saying we have more information now than Darwin had which means that there was precambrian multicellular life so there was enough time to explain the diversity of life over its 56 million years.

"The Ediacara (/&#716;i&#720;di& #712;æk&#601;r&#601;/; formerly Vendian) biota consisted of enigmatic tubular and frond-shaped, mostly sessile organisms which lived during the Ediacaran Period (ca. 635–542 Ma). Trace fossils of these organisms have been found worldwide, and represent the earliest known complex multicellular organisms.[note 1] The Ediacara biota radiated in an event called the Avalon Explosion, 575 million years ago,[1][2] after the Earth had thawed from the Cryogenian period's extensive glaciation. The biota largely disappeared contemporaneously with the rapid appearance of biodiversity known as the Cambrian explosion. Most of the currently existing body plans of animals first appeared only in the fossil record of the Cambrian rather than the Ediacaran. For macroorganisms, the Cambrian biota completely replaced the organisms that populated the Ediacaran fossil record."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ediacara_biota
Mahmood

Brampton, Canada

#2678 Mar 15, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you misunderstood my questions Mahmoud, my point is that if one isn't obligated to believe in Mohammed then a pagan also would survive in the hereafter, what you are suggesting is completely illogical, and that's why you have to understand the message of Islam instead of interpreting Quranic verses the way you like it.
Believing in Mohammed is a must in order to be a Muslim, hence all the true followers of the previous prophets were Muslims, so if you were at the time of Moses and believed in his message you are a Muslim, and if you were at the time of Jesus and believed him you would also be a Muslim, so if you were alive at the time of Mohammed the last messenger it would also be a must to believe in him, otherwise you would be a disbeliever.
Islam came as the final message and the complement as it works perfectly at anytime and in anyplace, Moses (Judaism) message was a perfect message at his time and so was Christianity, but as we both know the world changes and such religions would be no longer useful and/or applicable.
I have taken this matter up with a few scholars and they all say the same thing....."2:62 refers to those before Mohammad" just what you are telling me. However, I do not believe them because what they are trying to do is mask the contradiction. I have pointed out that nowhere in the verse does it say "pre-Mohammad" . Here is Suyuti's tafsir on 2:62, so read it carefully:

"Surely those who believe,[who believed] before, in the prophets, and those of Jewry, the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans, a Christian or Jewish sect, whoever, from among them, believes in God and the Last Day, in the time of our Prophet, and performs righteous deeds, according to the Law given to him — their wage, that is, the reward for their deeds, is with their Lord, and no fear shall befall them, neither shall they grieve (the [singular] person of the verbs &#257;mana,‘believes’, and ‘amila,‘performs’, takes account of the [singular] form of man,‘whoever’, but in what comes afterwards [of the plural pronouns] its [plural] meaning [is taken into account])."

Notice that he does not agree with you. He makes it clear that "in the time of our prophet...."

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#2679 Mar 16, 2014
Mahmood wrote:
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I have taken this matter up with a few scholars and they all say the same thing....."2:62 refers to those before Mohammad" just what you are telling me. However, I do not believe them because what they are trying to do is mask the contradiction. I have pointed out that nowhere in the verse does it say "pre-Mohammad" . Here is Suyuti's tafsir on 2:62, so read it carefully:
"Surely those who believe,[who believed] before, in the prophets, and those of Jewry, the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans, a Christian or Jewish sect, whoever, from among them, believes in God and the Last Day, in the time of our Prophet, and performs righteous deeds, according to the Law given to him — their wage, that is, the reward for their
Mahmoud When you read the Qur'an you must understand the basic Islam beliefs, gathered from the Qur'an, the most basic being the Pillars of Faith and the Pillars of Practice

I think we can both agree that these are the 6 pillars of faith
1.One True God
2.Angels
3.The Books Allah has revealed, not the man made lies.
4.Prophets
5.The Afterlife
6.Devine Decree and Destiny

now lets see Yusuf Ali translation to verse 2:62

"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

anyways you have the right to ignore the "in the Quran" because that is Yusuf ali's opinion and his interpretation, the actual questions should be ( Is god talking of the True Christians that existed in the time of Jesus(PBUH) and the True Jews who existed in the time of Moses(PBUH))?(or Christians and Jews at our present days)??

The only way to answer the above questions is to know what the Quran says about today's scriptures; read verses 2:77-80 and 5:13

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:'This is from Allah,' to traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby." (2:77-79)

"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent to them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. " (5:13)

allow me to add that the vast majority of Today's Christians believe in the trinity and the divinity of Issa (PBUH)

lets see what the Quran says about the trinity

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him:(far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs." 4:171

And to warn those who say, " Allah has taken a son."
They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie. read verses 18:4-7

don't waste your time because its obvious that Allah does not consider today’s Trinitarian Christians to be the real followers of Jesus.
Thinking

Cupar, UK

#2680 Mar 17, 2014
Haram Salami won't like any tale where women come out on top.
emperorjohn wrote:
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You are right. That is why religion should be taught as fairy tales, alongside with Cinderella and Snow White.
Thinking

Cupar, UK

#2681 Mar 17, 2014
Explain how sticking your bum up in the air five times a day helped find the Higgs Boson.
hazem selawi wrote:
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hahaha so you are not just a professor, you are also a theologian...!!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#2682 Mar 17, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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so are you a 100% sure that evolution did happen ??
and how does that in anyway disprove the existence of a creator ??!
I still don't see any link between the two.
Yes 100% sure

Why do deliberately ignorant creatards always choose to confuse biogenesis and/or the big bang with evolution?

You don’t see any link because the only link is coincidence, both the BB and abiogenesis happened. Without them then there would be nothing to evolve and that the link.

However no creator is required for the BB, absolutely none of the theories (and I know of 27) of what caused the BB have a requirement for a creator. In fact quantum physics does not even require a cause. As for abiogenesis, synthetic living organisms have been created in the laboratory and work is progressing on natural orgasms. Again, no creator is required, just the right environment with the right properties and vast swathes of time. Then we get evolution.

Evolution is proven beyond doubt in several different yet complimentary irrefutable ways. If as much evidence existed for the existence of a creator then this world would be a completely different place, but it doesn’t.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#2683 Mar 17, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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you still don't get my point, I don't have any problem with evolution (adaptation for survival), like giraffes evolving their physical Capabilities to reach food, but I have a big problem with Darwinian's theory which suggests a change in kind, so if pigs evolved into much smarter Creatures, that's fine but if they remained pigs and didn't evolve into jigs for instance then your theory fail and such an example would be completely irrelevant.
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no one tried to belittle you in anyway, and I still don't understand how your C.V will help you to prove your point, and its still you who mentioned mud huts in a mockery way, in our real world that's inconsiderateness.
And you don’t get my point that that Darwinian theory is a good starting point but not the be all and end all of evolutionary theory. You interpret it as suggesting a chance in kind while forgetting what all creatards forget – time.

You are quite happy for a giraffe to evolve a longer neck to obtain food but you do not ask what there were before they evolved long necks. Do you not consider that they have changed in ‘kind’ from a short necked creature to a log necked creature? Or do we see any short necked giraffes?

Actually you tried to compare active field archaeology with sitting at home doing a crossword. And why should my story need to prove anything? You lied and I provided opposition to your lie. You don’t like it then that’s just tough, get used to it.

As for mentioning mud huts, I said words along the lines of,‘unless you live in a mud hut with no access to utilities then the chances are …’ What us mocking about that as an example. I could just as easily have said yurt or cave or favela. And been just as accurate. You may interpret my example in whatever belittling way you choose, I don’t really care how the fook you interpret, just so long as you don’t lie.

And if you do lie, I’ll be here to highlight that fact in glaring lights for all to see.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#2685 Mar 17, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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simply because the geologically fast diversification during the Cambrian was too fast to be explained by normal evolutionary processes.
Say what?

The Cambrian explosion lasted over 50 million years. In our terms, if it ended today then the dinosaurs had only recently become extinct when it started

Typical creatard ignorance of that little thing called time.

You are also ignoring the vast increase in oxygen levels leading up to the period.

You ignore so much in order to make you goddunit with magic dream to actually make any sense.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

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#2686 Mar 17, 2014
hazem selawi wrote:
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so are you a 100% sure that evolution did happen ??
and how does that in anyway disprove the existence of a creator ??!
I still don't see any link between the two.
Evolution does not disprove the idea of a creator, but it disproves the method of creation outlined in your holy book.

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#2687 Mar 17, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Haram Salami won't like any tale where women come out on top.
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I don't know about you but I love women on top ;)

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#2688 Mar 17, 2014
emperorjohn wrote:
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Evolution does not disprove the idea of a creator, but it disproves the method of creation outlined in your holy book.
so to clear things out; what happened before the Big Bang is a mystery and the evolution theory doesn't disprove the idea of a creator ..!!

if science is not on your side then how did you come to the conclusion that there is no god or creator ??!!

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#2689 Mar 17, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Explain how sticking your bum up in the air five times a day helped find the Higgs Boson.
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what does Higgs Boson have to do with our prayers ??

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#2690 Mar 17, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
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I'm saying we have more information now than Darwin had which means that there was precambrian multicellular life so there was enough time to explain the diversity of life over its 56 million years.
"The Ediacara (/&#716;i&#720;di& #712;æk&#601;r&#601;/; formerly Vendian) biota consisted of enigmatic tubular and frond-shaped, mostly sessile organisms which lived during the Ediacaran Period (ca. 635–542 Ma). Trace fossils of these organisms have been found worldwide, and represent the earliest known complex multicellular organisms.[note 1] The Ediacara biota radiated in an event called the Avalon Explosion, 575 million years ago,[1][2] after the Earth had thawed from the Cryogenian period's extensive glaciation. The biota largely disappeared contemporaneously with the rapid appearance of biodiversity known as the Cambrian explosion. Most of the currently existing body plans of animals first appeared only in the fossil record of the Cambrian rather than the Ediacaran. For macroorganisms, the Cambrian biota completely replaced the organisms that populated the Ediacaran fossil record."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ediacara_biota
that is really impressive, the theory of evolution has also evolved because apparently now we know what Charles Darwin himself didn't know ..!!

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#2691 Mar 17, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes 100% sure
no scientific theory can be 100% accurate or true.
ChristineM wrote:
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Why do deliberately ignorant creatards always choose to confuse biogenesis and/or the big bang with evolution?
You don’t see any link because the only link is coincidence, both the BB and abiogenesis happened. Without them then there would be nothing to evolve and that the link.
However no creator is required for the BB, absolutely none of the theories (and I know of 27) of what caused the BB have a requirement for a creator. In fact quantum physics does not even require a cause.
you know 27 theories of what caused the BB ?? I really would appreciate it if you mentioned any source or any article.

Quantum physics does not require a cause ?? really ??

ChristineM wrote:
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As for abiogenesis, synthetic living organisms have been created in the laboratory and work is progressing on natural orgasms. Again, no creator is required, just the right environment with the right properties and vast swathes of time. Then we get evolution.
Evolution is proven beyond doubt in several different yet complimentary irrefutable ways. If as much evidence existed for the existence of a creator then this world would be a completely different place, but it doesn’t.
and how exactly would we get the right environment ?? and the right properties ?? or how exactly would we have vast swathes of time ??

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#2692 Mar 17, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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And you don’t get my point that that Darwinian theory is a good starting point but not the be all and end all of evolutionary theory. You interpret it as suggesting a chance in kind while forgetting what all creatards forget – time.
its completely the opposite, because we use the very long periods of time suggested by the evolution theory to prove that we'll never get an observable and testable evidences for the theory.
ChristineM wrote:
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You are quite happy for a giraffe to evolve a longer neck to obtain food but you do not ask what there were before they evolved long necks. Do you not consider that they have changed in ‘kind’ from a short necked creature to a log necked creature? Or do we see any short necked giraffes?
Wrong, because Giraffes are still giraffes ( same species) but with different characteristics.
ChristineM wrote:
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Actually you tried to compare active field archaeology with sitting at home doing a crossword. And why should my story need to prove anything? You lied and I provided opposition to your lie. You don’t like it then that’s just tough, get used to it.
you are the one who mentioned degrees, so my point was you have a degree in art and your hobby is to study fossils, someone may have a hobby to watch the stars but that wouldn't make him an astronomer, but he may also learn new techniques and get new info about the stars, never mind.
anyways what did you find out after studying Lucy ??
ChristineM wrote:
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As for mentioning mud huts, I said words along the lines of,‘unless you live in a mud hut with no access to utilities then the chances are …’ What us mocking about that as an example. I could just as easily have said yurt or cave or favela. And been just as accurate. You may interpret my example in whatever belittling way you choose, I don’t really care how the fook you interpret, just so long as you don’t lie.
And if you do lie, I’ll be here to highlight that fact in glaring lights for all to see.
ooh I apologize I didn't pay attention to that part (unless you live), the context really matters, I hope you pay attention to the context whenever you accuse the Quran of saying something it clearly doesn't.

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#2693 Mar 17, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Say what?
The Cambrian explosion lasted over 50 million years. In our terms, if it ended today then the dinosaurs had only recently become extinct when it started
Typical creatard ignorance of that little thing called time.
You are also ignoring the vast increase in oxygen levels leading up to the period.
You ignore so much in order to make you goddunit with magic dream to actually make any sense.
Charles Darwin himself discussed the Cambrian explosion as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection.

Igor trip already told me that we now have more information than Darwin had which means that there was precambrian multicellular life so there was enough time to explain the diversity of life over its 56 million years.

so the theory of evolution had also evolved over time.
Thinking

Cupar, UK

#2694 Mar 17, 2014
F**k all. And that's not an instruction.

The difference between your prayers and the Higgs Boson is that the Higgs Boson has an influence on the universe.
hazem selawi wrote:
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what does Higgs Boson have to do with our prayers ??

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