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“bungai terong”

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#1 Aug 12, 2010
i have seemingly offensive questions.if you are open-minded enough,please proceed.if not,please leave. i don't want to be sentenced to death by any ulema's fatwa. here we go :

1. muslims claim their religion as THE RELIGION OF PEACE. Now why are there so many anti-Jew statements in the Quran, especially about the end times when Muslims would supposedly wage a war with jews.It was said that the jews would be betrayed by every living & non-living thing on earth,even stones would tell the muslims a jew is hiding behind it!!! however, only one tree is said to protect the jews.a fable sprinkled with anti-semitic flavoring?

2. there's another prophecy in the quran related to me by a muslim. during end times, it was said that the muslims would be led by Imam Mahdi, the last islamic imam.islam would prosper for 4 years.Under Imam Mahdi's rule, he'd go all out widening his islamic empire by going to kafir countries to islamize them. those who accept the 'invitation to islam' would be spared the sword, those who wouldn't would lose their heads. true?

3. islam, being so-called 'the logical choice' so how looked less smart to me because as a spiritual system, it promotes uncalled for phobia to swine & dogs. a majority of muslims fear dogs & swine more than fearing 'god'.

comments, any muslim please.
jhfdd

Maidenhead, UK

#2 Aug 12, 2010
Go to this website, it's basically a pisstake on Islam's self proclaimed title of 'The religion of peace' and lists most terrorist attacks and updated news stories, info on muzzies etc.

“Get a life Creepy Tom. ”

Since: May 10

Obsess over someone else Tom.

#3 Aug 12, 2010
jhfdd wrote:
Go to this website, it's basically a pisstake on Islam's self proclaimed title of 'The religion of peace' and lists most terrorist attacks and updated news stories, info on muzzies etc.
Which website?
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#4 Aug 12, 2010
sampuna wrote:
i have seemingly offensive questions.if you are open-minded enough,please proceed.if not,please leave. i don't want to be sentenced to death by any ulema's fatwa. here we go :
1. muslims claim their religion as THE RELIGION OF PEACE. Now why are there so many anti-Jew statements in the Quran, especially about the end times when Muslims would supposedly wage a war with jews.It was said that the jews would be betrayed by every living & non-living thing on earth,even stones would tell the muslims a jew is hiding behind it!!! however, only one tree is said to protect the jews.a fable sprinkled with anti-semitic flavoring?
2. there's another prophecy in the quran related to me by a muslim. during end times, it was said that the muslims would be led by Imam Mahdi, the last islamic imam.islam would prosper for 4 years.Under Imam Mahdi's rule, he'd go all out widening his islamic empire by going to kafir countries to islamize them. those who accept the 'invitation to islam' would be spared the sword, those who wouldn't would lose their heads. true?
3. islam, being so-called 'the logical choice' so how looked less smart to me because as a spiritual system, it promotes uncalled for phobia to swine & dogs. a majority of muslims fear dogs & swine more than fearing 'god'.
comments, any muslim please.
Salaams & salutations S. Ill give you this on your #1. If you track back thru history lets say to the prophet Moses Time & forward thru every country they have occupied/settled in. you would see that they caused or were the cause of economic disasters for those countries. The best "source" I know for the exact statistics & Histories would by the poster, ISREALITY. You may have seen some of his/her posts on this site . Cheers!

Since: Nov 09

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#5 Aug 12, 2010
sampuna wrote:
i have seemingly offensive questions.if you are open-minded enough,please proceed.if not,please leave. i don't want to be sentenced to death by any ulema's fatwa. here we go :
1. muslims claim their religion as THE RELIGION OF PEACE. Now why are there so many anti-Jew statements in the Quran, especially about the end times when Muslims would supposedly wage a war with jews.It was said that the jews would be betrayed by every living & non-living thing on earth,even stones would tell the muslims a jew is hiding behind it!!! however, only one tree is said to protect the jews.a fable sprinkled with anti-semitic flavoring?
2. there's another prophecy in the quran related to me by a muslim. during end times, it was said that the muslims would be led by Imam Mahdi, the last islamic imam.islam would prosper for 4 years.Under Imam Mahdi's rule, he'd go all out widening his islamic empire by going to kafir countries to islamize them. those who accept the 'invitation to islam' would be spared the sword, those who wouldn't would lose their heads. true?
3. islam, being so-called 'the logical choice' so how looked less smart to me because as a spiritual system, it promotes uncalled for phobia to swine & dogs. a majority of muslims fear dogs & swine more than fearing 'god'.
comments, any muslim please.
1. The jews who are looked down upon are those jews who betrayed their faith. Not all jews. This is a huge misconception. Throughout the Quran, it refers to Jews and Christians, as well as other minority monotheistic bethren as "believers" who will be under the fold of God. The "halal" diet of the Muslims is akin to the Kosher rules for the Jews. There is much respect for the Jews and their traditions as it is implied in the Quran that their traditions were derived from God. Even for fasting, we are advised to fast because this was something that was done by those "before us", i.e Jews and Christians.

WHat the Quran says, albeit unkindly about the Jews is how they placed the rabbinical orders above any of God's commandments. It talks against division within Islam. To hold the Quran (or Torah for the Jews) close to your heart should be your religion but this schism, unfortunately is present in Islam as well, and we are told NOT to be like the Jews in that respect.
2. Iman Mahdi (whoever that is) is not prophesised anywhere in the Quran.
3. The Quran doesn't perpetuate phobias of swines. It says we can't eat their meat, which is the decree given to Jews. There is nothing about dogs in the Quran. I've got some muslim friends who even had dogs as pets though it's more common to have cats as pets for most muslims. Contrary to your belief, the Quran talks A LOT about having fear of God. Primarily, it is a religion of logic because God commands us in the Quran to look for signs of his existence in this world. It calls us to question anything before accepting everything.

Hope that clarifies.
THINK

Easton, PA

#6 Aug 12, 2010
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>Salaams & salutations S. Ill give you this on your #1. If you track back thru history lets say to the prophet Moses Time & forward thru every country they have occupied/settled in. you would see that they caused or were the cause of economic disasters for those countries. The best "source" I know for the exact statistics & Histories would by the poster, ISREALITY. You may have seen some of his/her posts on this site . Cheers!
Hi "Rabben Al Jidah! Maybe you would like to check this website out.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/c...
This may help you understand Islam.

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

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#7 Aug 12, 2010
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>Salaams & salutations S. Ill give you this on your #1. If you track back thru history lets say to the prophet Moses Time & forward thru every country they have occupied/settled in. you would see that they caused or were the cause of economic disasters for those countries. The best "source" I know for the exact statistics & Histories would by the poster, ISREALITY. You may have seen some of his/her posts on this site . Cheers!
please answer accordingly. i don't need any comparison to others who may seem to be more violent than islam. blaming others as violent doesn't do much to scrape off the equation of terrorism on you..both are EQUALS!
bmz

San Diego, CA

#8 Aug 12, 2010
bitch muslim simply cannot help it. jesus is never too far away from them. ask them a question about islam they will assume you are a jesus freak and promptly check with the authorities before going to the police. they do preach against ex -muslims in mosques quite regularly using the following without fear of wounding the feelings of christians or the sensitivity of police.

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

“bungai terong”

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#9 Aug 12, 2010
cairene wrote:
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1. The jews who are looked down upon are those jews who betrayed their faith. Not all jews. This is a huge misconception. Throughout the Quran, it refers to Jews and Christians, as well as other minority monotheistic bethren as "believers" who will be under the fold of God. The "halal" diet of the Muslims is akin to the Kosher rules for the Jews. There is much respect for the Jews and their traditions as it is implied in the Quran that their traditions were derived from God. Even for fasting, we are advised to fast because this was something that was done by those "before us", i.e Jews and Christians.
WHat the Quran says, albeit unkindly about the Jews is how they placed the rabbinical orders above any of God's commandments. It talks against division within Islam. To hold the Quran (or Torah for the Jews) close to your heart should be your religion but this schism, unfortunately is present in Islam as well, and we are told NOT to be like the Jews in that respect.
i knw about the 'halal' thing. don't beat around the bush. how can situation 1 exist in a so-called 'religion of peace'???

most muslims i see, though not born in the middle east, are natural jew haters, though they haven't even seen one. worst still, those who haven't even meet a jew in person can even equate the whole community as 'pigs','evil''laknatullah', that's a clear byproduct of the quranic teaching about jews.

a kind, smiling muslim can suddenly turn into a volcano with a mere mention of israel and jew..so much for the religion of peace. the flaw is in the quran itself whereby it imprints in the minds of muslims at the prophet's time and to those future muslims who read the quran to hate the jews for the crime of their unheedful ancestors. passing down tales of former jews' treachery to islam IS PASSING DOWN HATRED.it's a vengeful religion.

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#11 Aug 12, 2010
sampuna wrote:
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i knw about the 'halal' thing. don't beat around the bush. how can situation 1 exist in a so-called 'religion of peace'???
most muslims i see, though not born in the middle east, are natural jew haters, though they haven't even seen one. worst still, those who haven't even meet a jew in person can even equate the whole community as 'pigs','evil''laknatullah', that's a clear byproduct of the quranic teaching about jews.
a kind, smiling muslim can suddenly turn into a volcano with a mere mention of israel and jew..so much for the religion of peace. the flaw is in the quran itself whereby it imprints in the minds of muslims at the prophet's time and to those future muslims who read the quran to hate the jews for the crime of their unheedful ancestors. passing down tales of former jews' treachery to islam IS PASSING DOWN HATRED.it's a vengeful religion.
It's evident that you came here not seeking answers, but seeking validations for your beliefs.

Think what you want. I don't hate jews. Stop stereotyping Muslims. Muslims, by far and large hate the zionist regime which is Isreal, not JEWS. If you cannot wrap your head around that, too bad.

I believe it is a religion for people with common sense. It provides us the means to fight back when we're being attacked. Islam preaches peace but all religions do.

Now, scurry along.
bmz

San Diego, CA

#12 Aug 12, 2010
like muslims in singapore blessing ex - muslims in on easter and hanukkah etc with charity collected from muslims.
bmz

San Diego, CA

#13 Aug 12, 2010
and what about muslims blessing christians and buddhists etc with jail time for asking questions about islam, islamic sharia - common law and islamic charity etc.

bmz
bmz

San Diego, CA

#14 Aug 12, 2010
poof ... gone in a jiffy...gone running away again as usual.

lol
bmz

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#15 Aug 12, 2010
cairene wrote:
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It's evident that you came here not seeking answers, but seeking validations for your beliefs.
Think what you want. I don't hate jews. Stop stereotyping Muslims. Muslims, by far and large hate the zionist regime which is Isreal, not JEWS. If you cannot wrap your head around that, too bad.
I believe it is a religion for people with common sense. It provides us the means to fight back when we're being attacked. Islam preaches peace but all religions do.
Now, scurry along.
flip through the quran & islamic texts you'll find THESE HARSH REALITIES, too bad you just found it too hard to digest.

In a Hadith,it was reported on the authority of Ibn'Umar that the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) had said,'Verily., you will combat against the Jews, so carry through the fight, until a stone would say: 0 Muslim This is a Jew; come along and smite him down.'

In another version of this Hadith, reported also on the authority of Ibn'Umar, the Prophet-P.B.U H.-had said,'The Jews will combat against you. But you will be given power over them, until the stone would say: "0 Muslim! This is a Jew lying behind me; come and do away with him.

By Abu Huraira . "the authority never rise until Muslims fight against the Jews. Muslims would despatch them. The Jews would hide themselves behind stones and trees which would say: "0 Muslim Servant of God! There are Jews behind me; come and kill them."'

In Bukhari's Sahih ... on the authority of Abdullah Ibn'Umar ... you will take up arms against the Jews, until one of them would lie concealed behind a stone which would say,'0 Muslim, Servant of God! This is a Jew lying behind me; come and kill him.",

It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Prophet has said,'The Hour would not come, until you fight against the Jews; and the stone would say, "0 Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."'

“bungai terong”

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#16 Aug 12, 2010
a 'good' Muslim surrenders his freedom of thought to the authority of quranic texts, however irreligious it may seem, he has no authority to reject it, as he fears rejecting the seemingly 'violent idea' also tantamount to rejecting 'god'.

all those anti-semitic teachings are found throughout the quran & hadiths.

i'm no judge, muslims around me paint a very clear picture of islam, as i bear witness to it.

no doubt i have friendly muslim friends around me,the fact that i'm not a muslim bother them so much so that my plates & cups were looked on with disgust [for the fear of pork stains!], when they shake hands with me,they only give me half of their hand..but with other muslims,they'd give a full hand shake - this tells me a lot about how non-believers are looked upon by you guys ;)

it's ok when non-believers wish you guys 'Happy Eid' while it's an issue for you guys to wish us a 'Merry Christmas''Happy Hanukah' when both of these wishes convey a sense of friendship & respect towards other religions.

a religion of peace?..more like a religion that splits humanity up..

try convincing me to believe otherwise
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#17 Aug 12, 2010
sampuna wrote:
a 'good' Muslim surrenders his freedom of thought to the authority of quranic texts, however irreligious it may seem, he has no authority to reject it, as he fears rejecting the seemingly 'violent idea' also tantamount to rejecting 'god'.
all those anti-semitic teachings are found throughout the quran & hadiths.
i'm no judge, muslims around me paint a very clear picture of islam, as i bear witness to it.
no doubt i have friendly muslim friends around me,the fact that i'm not a muslim bother them so much so that my plates & cups were looked on with disgust [for the fear of pork stains!], when they shake hands with me,they only give me half of their hand..but with other muslims,they'd give a full hand shake - this tells me a lot about how non-believers are looked upon by you guys ;)
it's ok when non-believers wish you guys 'Happy Eid' while it's an issue for you guys to wish us a 'Merry Christmas''Happy Hanukah' when both of these wishes convey a sense of friendship & respect towards other religions.
a religion of peace?..more like a religion that splits humanity up..
try convincing me to believe otherwise
Wow Cikgu Sampuna is that really you? I have never seen you criticize islam in the past (and called for us not to do that)... tak boleh tahan anymore? Whats happening in Malaysia?
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#18 Aug 12, 2010
Hi Sempuna, is Kuan Im truely a Dewi in buddhism (from your avatar)?
Pawn-King-Nine

San Francisco, CA

#19 Aug 12, 2010
well, selamat malam here...
THINK

Easton, PA

#20 Aug 13, 2010
cairene wrote:
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It's evident that you came here not seeking answers, but seeking validations for your beliefs.
Think what you want. I don't hate jews. Stop stereotyping Muslims. Muslims, by far and large hate the zionist regime which is Isreal, not JEWS. If you cannot wrap your head around that, too bad.
I believe it is a religion for people with common sense. It provides us the means to fight back when we're being attacked. Islam preaches peace but all religions do.
Now, scurry along.
Islam's hatred of Jews stems from Muhammad.
[Quran 2:96-Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years.But they are going to hell.] Muslim's belive that is the word of Allah and must be obeyed in their belief.

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#21 Aug 13, 2010
sampuna wrote:
<quoted text>
flip through the quran & islamic texts you'll find THESE HARSH REALITIES, too bad you just found it too hard to digest.
In a Hadith,it was reported on the authority of Ibn'Umar that the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) had said,'Verily., you will combat against the Jews, so carry through the fight, until a stone would say: 0 Muslim This is a Jew; come along and smite him down.'
In another version of this Hadith, reported also on the authority of Ibn'Umar, the Prophet-P.B.U H.-had said,'The Jews will combat against you. But you will be given power over them, until the stone would say: "0 Muslim! This is a Jew lying behind me; come and do away with him.
By Abu Huraira . "the authority never rise until Muslims fight against the Jews. Muslims would despatch them. The Jews would hide themselves behind stones and trees which would say: "0 Muslim Servant of God! There are Jews behind me; come and kill them."'
In Bukhari's Sahih ... on the authority of Abdullah Ibn'Umar ... you will take up arms against the Jews, until one of them would lie concealed behind a stone which would say,'0 Muslim, Servant of God! This is a Jew lying behind me; come and kill him.",
It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Prophet has said,'The Hour would not come, until you fight against the Jews; and the stone would say, "0 Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him."'
Hadiths.

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