Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256421 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

Since: Apr 11

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#170933 Apr 6, 2013
So why didn't Muhammad initially name his dark spirit? Why did he begin by calling him by the Hebrew, hence Hanif title "Lord?" Why then did he finally name him after a rival to the Meccan Allah? Good questions all. And since the Muslim sages don't provide a viable answer, I'll propose one - speculative as it might be. Khadija converted Muhammad by telling him that her aged cousin said that he was a prophet in the line of Moses. This man knew that the Jews called their God "Lord." But the Meccans were not satisfied with a title. All gods had names. Even pagan stone idols had names - why not Muhammad's god? If he was so important, he must have a name.

That put the wannabe prophet in a pickle. If he called his god by any of the most familiar pagan names - Hubal, Allah, Al-Lat (the female form of Al-Lah), Manat, or Al-Uzza - something would be expected of them. After all, if they could give such marvelous Qur'an recitals, why not a miracle? Since these idols were close at hand it would have been hard to explain away their lack of participation in the prophet's mission.

With the Meccan pantheon too close for comfort, Muhammad did what he did best. He stole someone else's material. The Hanifs had a religion, and they had a god - one who "lived" a comfortable distance away. He simply appropriated their material and their deity. Ar-Rahman was perfect, in a twisted sort of way. His name meant "merciful." As such it became a way to disguise the Qur'an's demented edge. It's like calling the Communist dictatorship in China a republic.

Each of the initial Qur'anic surahs reflected Hanif beliefs and religiosity, not Jewish. The convoluted Bible stories we covered during creation and patriarch chapters were revealed much later - after the prophet had exhausted the rather anemic belief structure of the Hanifs and needed something more. And that too is interesting. The Qur'an's reliance on the Bible varies inversely with access to the Ka'aba, Allah's House, and directly with access to Jews. If Allah or Ar-Rahman were God, why would that be?

While you're pondering that conundrum, consider this: the moment Muhammad migrated to Medina, he capitalized upon the opportunity distance from his god provided. In the 2nd surah, the first revealed after fleeing Mecca, Ar-Rahman became Allah. You see, Allah and his house were now a safe distance south. God changes his name so Muhammad can lay claim to that which he has been chased away from - the religious scam surrounding the Ka'aba. Ar-Rahman is never to be heard from again. He simply fades into the amorphous world of attributes.

As we return to the Qur'an, we find Muhammad embroiled in an argument - one that fits nicely into the abused theory. Qur'an 67:21 "Who is there that can provide you with food in case He was to withhold His provision? Nay, they obstinately persist in rebellion and aversion. Is then one who walks headlong groping, groveling on his face, better guided, or one who walks evenly on a Straight Path?" The quality of this writing is so pathetic it almost makes you feel sorry for Muhammad - almost.
John

Brisbane, Australia

#170934 Apr 7, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a single day passes, when some one or the other does not enter into the faith of Islam.
And that is despite so much media hype against Islam and Muslims.
And despite Muslims do not presenting themselves as the good specimen of Islam.
It is the wonder of Truth of Islam that it attracts noble souls even in these circumstances.
Not a single day passes, without many thousands leaving the diseased satanic filth of islam.
On top of that, not a single day passes, without many hundreds of muztard terrorists being killed by those they tried to enslave.
Islam is doomed.

Since: Apr 11

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#170935 Apr 7, 2013
Conclusion:
Qur'an 67:25 "They say: When shall this threat be executed if you are truthful? Say:'As to the knowledge of the time, it is with the Lord alone: I am sent only to warn you clearly.'" The Meccans were looking for a little proof but our hero couldn't provide any. The best he could do was say, "You just wait. One day when you least expect it, my god will get you." "But when they see the threat, the sorry faces of those who disbelieve will be distraught, and it will be said to them:'This is what you asked for.' Say (Muhammad):'See? Whether God destroys me, and those with me, or not, no one can deliver the unbelievers from their grievous doom.' Say:'He is Ar-Rahman; in Him we believed, and in Him we have placed our trust: Soon will you know which one of us is in manifest error.'" Yes indeed we will. But it saddens me that two billion precious souls have already been lost to the egregious lie that became Islam.

Rant over, Muhammad tried to prove that Ar-Rahman was real. Qur'an 67:30 "Say,'Just think: if your water were to dry up, who would bring you water?" The Meccans were dependent upon the meager and nearly bitter well of Zamzam. Muhammad was telling his clan that its feeble flow was a miracle from Ar-Rahman - a clear sign he was god. He was threatening: "Mess with me and my god will cause you to die of thirst." According to Muhammad, if it trickled forth, it was a miracle. If it dried up, that too was miraculous. In actuality, the only miracle was that anyone believed him. I'm surprised he didn't claim that as a sign.

Therefore, "the entire teaching of Islam and the object of the Prophet's mission" is: the prophet craves power and will threaten anyone to get it. His god's name is Ar-Rahman and he is sadistically abusive. Stars are missiles used to drive away devils. Muhammad's kin claim he was deluded. For that they will endure flames, roaring with rage. All the while they will be interrogated. The Lord must be feared, not loved, for he will swallow his creation, pelting them with showers of stones. His punishment is as terrible as his wrath. Ar-Rahman has armies ready to march. He threatens to besiege communities, withholding food and water from those who grovel on their faces. What's more, the Islamic god's grievous doom cannot be avoided.

Since: Apr 11

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#170936 Apr 7, 2013
Asif Iqbal wrote:
<quoted text>
ISLAM is comming no matter what HATERS DO!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =imuvufSy5ooXX
Die schnellst wachsende Religion der Welt.
www.diewahrereligion.de www.way-to-Allah.com
www.islamvoice.de
Islam the true religion of Almighty God !
Make your own mind up. Join the family of humanity! Dont be brain washed by the media. Find out what is Islam and why it gives humanity the answer. There is no difference between people in Islam. We are all brothers and sisters. Islam has the answer from climate change on a global scale to peace in your heart and mind.
Be real: we all face the stress of life but in Islam there is inner peace.
www.islamvoice.de www.diewahrereligion.de
www.way-to-Allah.com
Family Member of 9/11 Victims Converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Islam is religion of future- Jewish Rabbi: Sanhedrin Rabbi Abraham is a Historian from Israel. He gave a talk in Turkey About Similarities Between Islam & Judaism,. He agrees that muslim God is the same as jewish God . The jewish where called Muslims and Judaism where called Islam . The second part of the vidoe you will watch Abdulraheem Green talking about the Rabbi of Maddina at the time of the Prophet peace be up to him
and half of them converted to Islam . The end of the vidoe proof of the prophet Muhamed mentioned by name in Hebrow scriptures in songs of songs , the verse was reading by a rabbi .
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Jewish rabbi proves that Muhamed is a prophet.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Top Bible scholar leaves Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Who is Allah in America?
Muslims and Christians need to listen.
Take some time to listen to this man speak about the sameness of Islam and Christianity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Continued:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170937 Apr 7, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Andrew said the Christ [Messiah,]
the anointed one they did not say the "Son of the living God" as Peter identified Jesus as being.
Christ means the anointed one.
Jesus means Gods salvation.
The term "Christ Jesus" puts the two words together meaning God has come bringing His salvation to us.
Your scholarly skills are non-existence.
HERE IS THE BIGGEST "christ messiah god" BUBBLE BURSTER THAT TOTALLY WIPES OFF CHRISTIANITY FROM PLANET EARTH.......

** The ONLY PEOPLE who can LEGITIMATELY BURY this dumb "god" ARE JEWS!!

** The JEWS are STILL ALIVE depite ALL the efforts by the moronic "christians" to DESTROY ALL of THEM for nearly 2000years!!!

** The JEWS are STILL AWAITING THEIR MESSIAH just like the ones who lived 2000+ years ago!!!

** The LEARNED JEWS at that time denied Jesus as messiah.

** I have GIVEN a list BELOW of the JEWISH ELDERS of TODAY from AROUND THE WORLD who as A GROUP are PROBABLY MORE LEARNED than the ones 2000YEARS AGO....

** If a man comes forward as a Messiah of the Jews TODAY and gets QUESTIONED by this group of ELDERS...

HOW will THEY FRAME the QUESTION?

.."ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, OUR L-ORD G-D BRINGING US SALVATION?"
.. "ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, SON OF OUR L-RD G-D....ETC"

OR SIMPLY...

"ARE YOU OUR MESSIAH SENT BY OUR L-RD G-D"?

..........
THE SAMPLE LIST OF ELDERS....

THIS ALSO BLOWS Matt 26:63 TO A ZILLION PIECES...!!!!

THANK ALLAH FOR SAVING THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!

Joel Kaplan
Yosef Chehebar
Shlomo Ben Hamu
Paul Chaim Eisenberg
Lord Sacks
Ephraim Mirvis
Abraham Levy
Shmuel Szteinhendler
Arie Zeev Raskin
Karel Sidon
Bent Lexner
Shmuel Kot
Gilles Bernheim
Yitshak Ehrenberg
Meir Rosenbaum
Chaim Yehuda
József Schweitzer
Robert (Avrohom Yehudoh)
Yousef Hamadani Cohen
Yaakov Pearlman
Shlomo Amar
Yona Metzger
Rafi Peretz
Shlomo Tawil
Avi Kozma
Michael Melchior
Zion Levy
Michael Schudrich
Menachem Hacohen
Adolf Shayevich
Berel Lazar
Aharon Gurevich
Isak Asiel
Mordechai Abergel
Baruch Myers
Warren Goldstein
Moshe Bendahan
Yosef Kantor
Ishak Haleva
Gershom Sizomu
Yaakov Dov Bleich
Alex Dukhovny
Azriel Haikin
Moshe Reuven Azman
Shai Froindlich
Isaac Cohen
Pynchas Brener
Aryeh Ralbag
Pinechas Toledano
Yitshak Ehrenberg
Mordechai Scheiner
Menachem Klein
Shraga Feivel Zimmerman
She'ar Yashuv Cohen
Dov Lior
Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss
Simon de Vries
Alfonso Arbib
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170938 Apr 7, 2013
THANK ALLAH/L-RD G-D FOR SAVING THE JEWS WHO HAVE HELPED US BLOW THE "jesus messiah god" lies for once and for all!!!!
sri lankan muslim

United States

#170939 Apr 7, 2013
Islam is the proven religen..all others are proven wrong
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170940 Apr 7, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Bull Shit! All of above is hocus pocus!
Read my post again about the forgery in Matthew 16.
I believe you always sit in the company of ignorant fools.
Salaams, bro....
THANK ALLAH/L-RD G-D FOR SAVING THE JEWS WHO HAVE HELPED US BLOW THE "jesus messiah god" lies for once and for all!!!!
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Andrew said the Christ [Messiah,]
the anointed one they did not say the "Son of the living God" as Peter identified Jesus as being.
Christ means the anointed one.
Jesus means Gods salvation.
The term "Christ Jesus" puts the two words together meaning God has come bringing His salvation to us.
Your scholarly skills are non-existence.
HERE IS THE BIGGEST "jesus christ messiah god" BUBBLE BURSTER THAT TOTALLY WIPES OFF CHRISTIANITY FROM PLANET EARTH.......

** The ONLY PEOPLE who can LEGITIMATELY BURY this dumb "god" ARE JEWS!!

** The JEWS are STILL ALIVE depite ALL the efforts by the moronic "christians" to DESTROY ALL of THEM for nearly 2000years!!!

** The JEWS are STILL AWAITING THEIR MESSIAH just like the ones who lived 2000+ years ago!!!

** The LEARNED JEWS at that time denied Jesus as messiah.

** I have GIVEN a list BELOW of the JEWISH ELDERS of TODAY from AROUND THE WORLD who as A GROUP are PROBABLY MORE LEARNED than the ones 2000YEARS AGO....

** If a man comes forward as a Messiah of the Jews TODAY and gets QUESTIONED by this group of ELDERS...

HOW will THEY FRAME the QUESTION?

.."ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, OUR L-ORD G-D BRINGING US SALVATION?"
.. "ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, SON OF OUR L-RD G-D....ETC"

OR SIMPLY...

"ARE YOU OUR MESSIAH SENT BY OUR L-RD G-D"?

..........
THE SAMPLE LIST OF ELDERS....

THIS ALSO BLOWS Matt 26:63 TO A ZILLION PIECES...!!!!

THANK ALLAH FOR SAVING THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!

Joel Kaplan
Yosef Chehebar
Shlomo Ben Hamu
Paul Chaim Eisenberg
Lord Sacks
Ephraim Mirvis
Abraham Levy
Shmuel Szteinhendler
Arie Zeev Raskin
Karel Sidon
Bent Lexner
Shmuel Kot
Gilles Bernheim
Yitshak Ehrenberg
Meir Rosenbaum
Chaim Yehuda
József Schweitzer
Robert (Avrohom Yehudoh)
Yousef Hamadani Cohen
Yaakov Pearlman
Shlomo Amar
Yona Metzger
Rafi Peretz
Shlomo Tawil
Avi Kozma
Michael Melchior
Zion Levy
Michael Schudrich
Menachem Hacohen
Adolf Shayevich
Berel Lazar
Aharon Gurevich
Isak Asiel
Mordechai Abergel
Baruch Myers
Warren Goldstein
Moshe Bendahan
Yosef Kantor
Ishak Haleva
Gershom Sizomu
Yaakov Dov Bleich
Alex Dukhovny
Azriel Haikin
Moshe Reuven Azman
Shai Froindlich
Isaac Cohen
Pynchas Brener
Aryeh Ralbag
Pinechas Toledano
Yitshak Ehrenberg
Mordechai Scheiner
Menachem Klein
Shraga Feivel Zimmerman
She'ar Yashuv Cohen
Dov Lior
Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss
Simon de Vries
Alfonso Arbib

THANK ALLAH/L-RD G-D FOR SAVING THE JEWS WHO HAVE HELPED US BLOW THE "jesus messiah god" lies for once and for all!!!!

Since: Apr 11

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#170943 Apr 7, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a lie and a forgery in Matthew.
I have told you many times that Matthew and John are full pf forgeries and absurd edits.
Peter was a Jew. So, it is quite obvious that he did not call him the Son of the living or the dead God.
Let me burst this lie:
Mark 8:29 "Peter answered, "You are the Messiah." "
Luke 9:20 "Peter answered, "God's Messiah.""
So, it is two against Matthew. And don't forget that Matthew and Luke copied wholesale from Mark.
And the forgery continues:
Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."
This is another forgery. Read John 1:41
"The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him,“We have found the Messiah”(that is, the Christ). 42 And he brought him to Jesus." "
So, it was not the Father in heaven, who said that. It was Peter's brother Andrew, his flesh and blood, who told him that he had found God's messiah. No Son of God reported by John.
So, Matthew bullshitted!
Your talking out of your hat instead of your brain.
The jinn devil has control of your mind.
You cannot steal Jesus from Christianity.
Muslims are lost soul destined to the fires of hell.
Muhammad was involved jinn devil worship that God forbid any to do.
Deut 18:9-14

9 "When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. 13 "You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so.

NASU

Other translations for verse 11:
Deut 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. NIV

Deut 18:11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. NKJV

Deut 18:11 or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. NLT

The NET uses the word "necromancer" with the footnote: "Heb 'a seeker of the dead.' This is much the same as 'one who conjures up spirits.' "
Muhammad was a castor of spells.

Jinn devils are apart of the Muslim religion that God forbid any one to be involved with.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#170944 Apr 7, 2013
sri lankan muslim wrote:
Islam is the proven religen..all others are proven wrong
But God rejects the religion of Muslims.

Jinn devils are apart of the Muslim religion which God forbids.
Deut 18:9-14

9 "When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. 13 "You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so.

NASU

Other translations for verse 11:

Deut 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. NIV

Deut 18:11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. NKJV

oward the Lord your God, for every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.

32 "Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.

NASU

Actually, God had prohibited mediums or spiritists in the book of Leviticus.

Lev 19:31 'Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God. NASU

(NASB footnote alternate translation: Do not turn to ghosts or spirits).

An alternate translation of the same verse is given in the NET Bible:

Lev 19:31 Do not turn to the spirits of the dead and do not seek familiar spirits to become unclean by them. I am the Lord your God. NET

(NET footnote: The prohibition here concerns those who would seek special knowledge through the spirits of the dead, whether the dead in general or dead relatives in particular)

Again:

Lev 20:6 'As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. NASU

(NASB footnote alternate translation: Do not turn to ghosts or spirits).

Lev 20:6 “‘The person who turns to the spirits of the dead and familiar spirits to commit prostitution by going after them, I will set my face against that person and cut him off from the midst of his people. NET

Much later, the prophet Isaiah warned Israel that these practices were still wrong in the sight of God.

Isa 8:19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people enquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? NIV



Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#170945 Apr 7, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Salaams, bro....
THANK ALLAH/L-RD G-D FOR SAVING THE JEWS WHO HAVE HELPED US BLOW THE "jesus messiah god" lies for once and for all!!!!
<quoted text>
HERE IS THE BIGGEST "jesus christ messiah god" BUBBLE BURSTER THAT TOTALLY WIPES OFF CHRISTIANITY FROM PLANET EARTH.......
** The ONLY PEOPLE who can LEGITIMATELY BURY this dumb "god" ARE JEWS!!
** The JEWS are STILL ALIVE depite ALL the efforts by the moronic "christians" to DESTROY ALL of THEM for nearly 2000years!!!
** The JEWS are STILL AWAITING THEIR MESSIAH just like the ones who lived 2000+ years ago!!!
** The LEARNED JEWS at that time denied Jesus as messiah.
** I have GIVEN a list BELOW of the JEWISH ELDERS of TODAY from AROUND THE WORLD who as A GROUP are PROBABLY MORE LEARNED than the ones 2000YEARS AGO....
** If a man comes forward as a Messiah of the Jews TODAY and gets QUESTIONED by this group of ELDERS...
HOW will THEY FRAME the QUESTION?
.."ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, OUR L-ORD G-D BRINGING US SALVATION?"
.. "ARE YOU THE MESSIAH, SON OF OUR L-RD G-D....ETC"
OR SIMPLY...
"ARE YOU OUR MESSIAH SENT BY OUR L-RD G-D"?
..........
THE SAMPLE LIST OF ELDERS....
THIS ALSO BLOWS Matt 26:63 TO A ZILLION PIECES...!!!!
THANK ALLAH FOR SAVING THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!
Joel Kaplan
Yosef Chehebar
Shlomo Ben Hamu
Paul Chaim Eisenberg
Lord Sacks
Ephraim Mirvis
Abraham Levy
Shmuel Szteinhendler
Arie Zeev Raskin
Karel Sidon
Bent Lexner
Shmuel Kot
Gilles Bernheim
Yitshak Ehrenberg
Meir Rosenbaum
Chaim Yehuda
József Schweitzer
Robert (Avrohom Yehudoh)
Yousef Hamadani Cohen
Yaakov Pearlman
Shlomo Amar
Yona Metzger
Rafi Peretz
Shlomo Tawil
Avi Kozma
Michael Melchior
Zion Levy
Michael Schudrich
Menachem Hacohen
Adolf Shayevich
Berel Lazar
Aharon Gurevich
Isak Asiel
Mordechai Abergel
Baruch Myers
Warren Goldstein
Moshe Bendahan
Yosef Kantor
Ishak Haleva
Gershom Sizomu
Yaakov Dov Bleich
Alex Dukhovny
Azriel Haikin
Moshe Reuven Azman
Shai Froindlich
Isaac Cohen
Pynchas Brener
Aryeh Ralbag
Pinechas Toledano
Yitshak Ehrenberg
Mordechai Scheiner
Menachem Klein
Shraga Feivel Zimmerman
She'ar Yashuv Cohen
Dov Lior
Yitzchok Tuvia Weiss
Simon de Vries
Alfonso Arbib
THANK ALLAH/L-RD G-D FOR SAVING THE JEWS WHO HAVE HELPED US BLOW THE "jesus messiah god" lies for once and for all!!!!
A jinn devil has taken over your mind Alex.
God rejects the religion of the Muslims.
Jinns were created by the evil god called Allah in the Muslim religion.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170946 Apr 7, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>A jinn devil has taken over your mind Alex.
God rejects the religion of the Muslims.
Jinns were created by the evil god called Allah in the Muslim religion.
You NEVER understood the background to "messiah" concept dear skeptic. That is your downfall.

Now that I have "apparently" totally destroyed your claims about Jesus being god/THE son of god, I can still help you prove your claims...!!!

The people who asked the questions from Jesus were NOT Christians.

They were JEWISH elders!

That's why I gave the list of JEWISH elders....WHO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE/ARE LOOKING FOR!!

Instead of saying..."Andrew said/thought BJ was "this", Peter thought/said, BJ was "that", Thomas thought/said "BJ was the other"....

I have a much better proof for your god in human form claim....so you can silence many of your "Muztard" challengers!!!

Do you want it??
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#170947 Apr 7, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Your talking out of your hat instead of your brain.
The jinn devil has control of your mind.
You cannot steal Jesus from Christianity.
Muslims are lost soul destined to the fires of hell.
Muhammad was involved jinn devil worship that God forbid any to do.
Deut 18:9-14
9 "When you enter the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 "For whoever does these things is detestable to the Lord; and because of these detestable things the Lord your God will drive them out before you. 13 "You shall be blameless before the Lord your God. 14 "For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the Lord your God has not allowed you to do so.
NASU
Other translations for verse 11:
Deut 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. NIV
Deut 18:11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. NKJV
Deut 18:11 or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. NLT
The NET uses the word "necromancer" with the footnote: "Heb 'a seeker of the dead.' This is much the same as 'one who conjures up spirits.' "
Muhammad was a castor of spells.
Jinn devils are apart of the Muslim religion that God forbid any one to be involved with.
You are totally off-topic. I was never discussing Deut 18:11 which has nothing to with the GRAND FORGERY in Matthew 16. This is what I wrote and proved:

That is a lie and a forgery in Matthew.

I have told you many times that Matthew and John are full pf forgeries and absurd edits.

Peter was a Jew. So, it is quite obvious that he did not call him the Son of the living or the dead God.

Let me burst this lie:

Mark 8:29 "Peter answered, "You are the Messiah." "

Luke 9:20 "Peter answered, "God's Messiah.""

So, it is two against Matthew. And don't forget that Matthew and Luke copied wholesale from Mark.

And the forgery continues:

Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."

This is another forgery. Read John 1:41

"The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him,“We have found the Messiah”(that is, the Christ). 42 And he brought him to Jesus." "

So, it was not the Father in heaven, who said that. It was Peter's brother Andrew, his flesh and blood, who told him that he had found God's messiah. No Son of God reported by John.

So, Matthew bullshitted!

Now try to discuss and refute. You cannot!
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170948 Apr 7, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>A jinn devil has taken over your mind Alex.
God rejects the religion of the Muslims.
Jinns were created by the evil god called Allah in the Muslim religion.
POOR....POOR....POOOO..ERRRR.. .. skeptic!!!!

Time to BURY your BJ!!

Don't tell me you still don't get it???

** This "messiah" thing was NEVER about OTHERS!!
** This "messiah" thing was ONLY between the JEWS!!!

***So the ONLY people who can ask the RIGHT questions from their POTENTIAL messiah candidate are JEWS....

*****What DID they ASK YESTERDAY?

***** The PROOF is HERE TODAY.....!!!

***** What WILL they ASK TODAY...as they STILL AWAIT THEIR MESSIAH?

***** They will NEVER ask..

- "Are you G-d"?
- "Are you THE begotten son of G-d?"
- "Are you G-d in human form who has come to die for our sins and the sins of gentiles?
- "Are you the messiah ANd G-d?"

***** THAT'S WHY THE JEWS ARE HERE TODAY CONFIRMING WHAT THE QURAN SAYS ABOUT JESUS' DIVINITY....because the JEWS NEVER awaited G-d to come down to die for Gentiles or even JEWS!!

"JESUS is NOT G-D"!!!!!

They may have rejected Jesus but they NEVER changed their view about what/who a messiah is and who G-d is!!
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170949 Apr 7, 2013
To prove that BJ is NOT God, we don't need to look for Matt...mark..luke..john..acts. ..or pacts..

All you NEED to do is to RECREATE the scene 2000+ years ago.

Get ALL the most respected Jewish elders of the world today...

Stand in front of them claiming you are their Messiah.

Then they will ASK you...
"(FILL IN THE BLANKS)"!!!!!!

They will NEVER ask...are you god/the only begotten son of god/god in human form who has come to die for the sins of gentiles and jews/god of abraham....etc...etc...

That is IT...

Now we can shut down EVERY pagan temple or
....Stop insulting Jesus and re-market the cult as pagan mangod religion..and KEEP the temples.

We have no problem with that.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#170950 Apr 7, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
I have a much better proof for your god in human form claim....so you can silence many of your "Muztard" challengers!!!
Do you want it??
Yes, please. Let him have it fast. We Muztards are waiting to see how the HumanTard became God.

Thanks.
Alex123 WM

London, UK

#170951 Apr 7, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, please. Let him have it fast. We Muztards are waiting to see how the HumanTard became God.
Thanks.
lol...

Should we make it that easy, bro?

I have already given them the MOTHER of proofs for

"Are you the messiah who is DEFINITELY NOT G-d/The only begotten son of G-d/G-d in human form who came to die for the sins of gentiles AND Jews"!!

It hasn't even hit them YET!!!

I want skeppers to beg on his knees fallng on his/her face, while his "drunken/sleepy" friends keep watch without falling asleep!!

I will give proof for his god in human form as long as he promises to worship his god in human form forever....
Salaams.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#170952 Apr 7, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
You NEVER understood the background to "messiah" concept dear skeptic. That is your downfall.
Now that I have "apparently" totally destroyed your claims about Jesus being god/THE son of god, I can still help you prove your claims...!!!
The people who asked the questions from Jesus were NOT Christians.
They were JEWISH elders!
That's why I gave the list of JEWISH elders....WHO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE/ARE LOOKING FOR!!
Instead of saying..."Andrew said/thought BJ was "this", Peter thought/said, BJ was "that", Thomas thought/said "BJ was the other"....
I have a much better proof for your god in human form claim....so you can silence many of your "Muztard" challengers!!!
Do you want it??
Those Jewish elders missed the boat.
Jesus answered their questions and proved Jesus was the real Messiah.
Muslims view of God are from the ancient pagan belief in the moon god called Allah.
So your reasoning and logic Alex is based on that false belief of what is a god.

The God of The Bible Alex is
im·pec·ca·ble (m-pk-bl)
adj.
1. Having no flaws; perfect. See Synonyms at perfect.
2. Incapable of sin or wrongdoing.

The Allah god in the Quran boast that he is a deceiver and a liar.
So the your Allah God in Quran cannot be the God of the Bible.

From that stand point that the God is impeccable His laws are not to be broken.
For sin separates HIM from sinful man.

On the other hand Muslims Allah entwines himself in sin, and so Allah forgives sin without regard to his own integrity.
Which is paganism.

The Jews falsely believed they could continue to kill animals to cover their sins for ever.
But God knew before hand that the offering of animal sacrifice for atonement was not sufficient to continue doing forever.
So He sent Jesus into the world to die once and for all for the sins of man.
Why because God is impeccable.
LMAO! At your ignorance Alex.
The Jews missed the boat Alex.
And Muslims are destined for the fires hell.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#170953 Apr 7, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
You are totally off-topic. I was never discussing Deut 18:11 which has nothing to with the GRAND FORGERY in Matthew 16. This is what I wrote and proved:
That is a lie and a forgery in Matthew.
I have told you many times that Matthew and John are full pf forgeries and absurd edits.
Peter was a Jew. So, it is quite obvious that he did not call him the Son of the living or the dead God.
Let me burst this lie:
Mark 8:29 "Peter answered, "You are the Messiah." "
Luke 9:20 "Peter answered, "God's Messiah.""
So, it is two against Matthew. And don't forget that Matthew and Luke copied wholesale from Mark.
And the forgery continues:
Matthew 16:17 Jesus replied,“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."
This is another forgery. Read John 1:41
"The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him,“We have found the Messiah”(that is, the Christ). 42 And he brought him to Jesus." "
So, it was not the Father in heaven, who said that. It was Peter's brother Andrew, his flesh and blood, who told him that he had found God's messiah. No Son of God reported by John.
So, Matthew bullshitted!
Now try to discuss and refute. You cannot!
I am laughing at you Muslims for being so ignorant.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#170954 Apr 7, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...
Should we make it that easy, bro?
I have already given them the MOTHER of proofs for
"Are you the messiah who is DEFINITELY NOT G-d/The only begotten son of G-d/G-d in human form who came to die for the sins of gentiles AND Jews"!!
It hasn't even hit them YET!!!
I want skeppers to beg on his knees fallng on his/her face, while his "drunken/sleepy" friends keep watch without falling asleep!!
I will give proof for his god in human form as long as he promises to worship his god in human form forever....
Salaams.
Yes, bro.

First make him confess the crimes of the Church against God almighty and servant Jesus.

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