Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 256487 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#159606 Jan 22, 2013
SC wrote:
I see you have understood nothing of those three lines I wrote to you.

01. What I said was FREEING SLAVES was something started before Islam. Then obviously that slavery has its root centuries before of the birth of Islam.

02. Where in those three lines I said your prophet preached slavery? He didn't preach, he made slaves after the wars, and it's well recorded.

03. Another thing I told you yesterday was that freeing slaves does not mean don't make slaves.

04. In fact in your example Allah told to some Muslims who committed certain sins to free the slaves as expiation for some sins. It's clear that Allah didn't care a thing about the slaves,

05. He didn't want to free them for the basic reason that slavery is such horrible condition but because He only wanted to punish the muslims.

06. Last, your god is pro-slavery as evident from Quran, which is one more reason to reject that book and that god.
Ans.

01. If slavery had its roots before Islam then what "all the previous prophets did to abolish this practice"?

02. So if our "prophet made slaves" then there was nothing wrong in it, because past prophets before him also did the same thing? Why you single him out for criticism?

03. It is same thing which I answered. And let me say "making slave" is no sin. You do not know, how Islam allows people to be made slaves. The "Only" way in which Islam allows people to make slaves, is for those captured enemies in the battle field.

If there is no exchange of POW and no one came to pay ransom for them , it was an "economical necessity" to make them slaves and earn their living.

04. Allah did "care" about salves that is why our prophet told Muslims "to feed slaves what you eat and clothe them with what you wear and do not put burden on them which they cannot bear and help yourself in their tasks".

Are these examples of whether God "cared for them or did not care for them"?

05. I think you are over reacting and made slavery as your one point agenda.

Just go back in history two hundred years back and see….if you want to condemn each one and every one because they have slaves, then you condemn most of your ancestors.

Slavery was not a religious need, it was an economical need. When the world needed human labour, slaves were one means to do it, and when machines came to the aid of human labour, the slaves were not needed.

Now the trend is to make "economic slaves" of people and nation, so that they work hard and pay their hard earned money to their "economic Masters"

IMF, World Bank, Commercial Banks and Money Lenders, VISA and other Credit Card companies…..they are the "modern Slave owners".

They hold "Hundreds of Millions" as their Economic salves and IMF and World Bank reduce nations to the level of Slavery.

And I think you will justify this type of Slavery, would you?

uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#159607 Jan 22, 2013
kabod/ shechinah/ ruach ha-kodesh is a miraculous light that confer honor upon a person or a place (Maimonides)-the glowing tabernacle, the "burning" bush
through it the word of God was communicated to prophets and miracles happened (Saadia Gaon)
it is also present in minyan prayer and Torah study (Talmud)

it does not dwell in human bodies indefinitely, and possess them to speak in demonic tongues (glossolalalia)
and it certainly does not inspire avoda zara -the worship of a man, the cross or statues; those acts must be inspired by another "spirit", a dark spirit

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#159608 Jan 22, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
using your line of spin...o wise one..
Please correct me giving chapter and verse. thank you...
Where in the Books can you show...Gentiles are superior or even Equal in the eyes of your "god".?
Where in the books it says Gentiles are the chosen people and loved by your "god".?
Why on earth does a slave god of non-gentiles want the non gentiles to shine torch lights on dumb gentiles in the dark?
Do you not agree that non-gentile superiority is implicit in such a verse (Isaiah49:6).
You appear to be the only one here who interprets that as haughtiness. The tanach defines what the role of the children of Israel is - clearly that is not the type of suprioroty that you are implying.

I am not going to bother to answer the rest of your questions. Wikipedia can answer them for you.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#159609 Jan 22, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
What buttboy says about your books must be correct by implication?
Why don't you then follow his religion?
I gave my interpretation.

You are hung up on Buford. Take a vacation.

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#159610 Jan 22, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Get a pen and write it in hebrew and put it on your dash board.
I take it that you can read write and understand Hebrew?
and a lovely evening to you too..
kind of amusing because I didnt wish anyone a good evening.

I understand Hebrew is similar to Arabic - you should of understood it

I wished you all a Good Morning !

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#159611 Jan 22, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
spin spin spin!!
When it suits spin doctor he doesn't like the word non-gentile or even gentile?
If our man can spin his way out of stoning homosexuals then he will insist that their "slave minigod" favoured only the Gentiles!
Isaiah 49:6 does nothing to convince Gentiles that Non-Gentiles are equal or inferior to them!!
Does it take on a condescending tone towards the Gentiles or does it say... "Hey boy ...go and stick a couple of candles up the ass of those ignorant gentiles who are steeped in darkness..."(on reflection I do agree it makes sense when it comes to buttboy, silly colon and company)?!! lol..
Stop speaking Greek. Gentile is not a word used in the bible.

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#159613 Jan 22, 2013
Sorry - stop speaking LATIN

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile#In_the_B...

The term Gentile (from Latin gentilis, by the French "gentil", female: "gentille", meaning of or belonging to a clan or tribe) is used by English translators for the Hebrew, &#1490;&#1493;&#14 97; (goy) and &#1504;&#1499;&#15 12;&#1497; (nokhri) in the Hebrew Bible and the Greek word &#7956;&#952;&#957 ;&#951; (éthn&#275;) in the New Testament.

The term gentiles is derived from Latin, used for contextual translation, and not an original Hebrew or Greek word from the Bible. The original words Goy and Ethnos refer to "peoples" or "nations".

Latin and later English translators selectively used the term gentiles when the context for the base term "peoples" or "nations" referred to non-Israelite peoples or nations in English translations of the Bible.

Following Christianization of the Roman Empire, the general implication of the word gentile became "non-Jew".

In the Bible

In Saint Jerome's Latin version of the Bible, the Vulgate, gentilis was used in this wider sense, along with gentes, to translate Greek and Hebrew words with similar meanings when the text referred to the non-Hebrew peoples.

The most important of such Hebrew words was goyim (singular, goy), a term with the broad meaning of "peoples" or "nations" which was sometimes used to refer to Israelites, but most commonly as a generic label for peoples. Strong's Concordance defines goy as "nation, people, usually of non-Hebrew people, or of descendants of Abraham, or of Israel, or of a swarm of locusts or other animals (fig.) Goyim ='nations'." Strongs #1471[1]

In the King James Version, Gentile is only one of several words used to translate goy or goyim. It is translated as "nation" 374 times, "heathen" 143 times, "Gentiles" 30 times, and "people" 11 times. Some of these verses, such as Genesis 12:2 ("I will make of thee a great nation") and Genesis 25:23 ("Two nations are in thy womb") refer to Israelites or descendants of Abraham. Other verses, such as Isaiah 2:4 and Deuteronomy 11:23 are generic references to any nation.

Typically the KJV restricts the translation to "Gentile" when the text is specifically referring to non-Hebrew people. For example, the only use of the word in Genesis is in chapter 10, verse 5, referring to the peopling of the world by descendants of Japheth, "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations."[2]

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#159615 Jan 22, 2013
http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/gg01.ht...

Linguistics and etymology – the origin and meaning of the words ‘pagan’,‘gentile’ and ‘heathen’.

The word ‘gentile’,‘gentiles’.

The root and etymology of the noun “gentile”(“gentiles”) is that it comes from the Latin word gentilis which was used both as a noun and an adjective, in the meaning “the nations” and “of the nations”. In the Bible,“gentiles” is a reference to people of other nations than Israel – non-Israelites, non-Jews.

Clarification: The makers of the Catholic Vulgate version translated the Hebrew word goyim (“nations”) and the Greek word ethnoi (“nations”) with the Latin word gentilis which has the same meaning. That was then anglicised into “gentiles” and copied into English bible-versions.

Over time, people in English-speaking “Christian” nations began to use the word “gentiles” of people in other areas of the world, but that has nothing to do with the Bible or the Bible’s use of the Hebrew and Greek words in question.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#159618 Jan 22, 2013
...and here is an excerpt from a militaristically Christian website
http://www.saveyourheritage.com/who_is_a_gent...
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It's time to correct and learn the true meaning of the most misused word in the Bible, "Gentile."

The original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, the three languages in which the Bible was written, do not contain the word "gentile." Go ahead, get out your King James Version of the Bible and yes, there it is. Gentile. Over and over again. But in the original languages of the Bible, no such word. As Christianity spread into Europe the Bible had to be translated into a language that people could read and understand. Latin became the first common language for biblical translators to use.

Every time you find the word "gentile" in the King James Version of the Old Testament it's a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "goy" the plural of which is "goyim."

Strong's #1471 give this definition, "a foreign nation; hence a Gentile, Gentile, heathen, nation, people." Notice that the definition means "a foreign nation" and so the editors of the concordance added "hence a Gentile." By the time the Bible had been translated from the original language, the erroneous belief of the "gentiles" as "non-Jews" had been established.

So the biblical translators simply translated the word "goy" to fit the official doctrine of the church of their day, either not knowing or not caring what it did to the true meaning of the word.

The church had their "tradition" and the translators better toe the line or burning at the stake wasn't out of the question. So the translators did the best they could do under the strict guidelines of the Church. They selected the word "gentelisis" in Latin meaning a selected clan or race of the same stock and inserted it where "goy" was in the Hebrew text. The English translation? Gentile.

But this translation didn't always work and so the translators were at times forced to use the correct usage of the word. For example, in Genesis 12:2, God said to Abram, "I will make of thee a great nation." (KJV) In Hebrew, God said "I will make of thee a great GOY." It would have sounded quite silly to say, "I will make of thee a great Gentile," so in this instance "goy" is correctly translated "nation."

When Rebekah was pregnant with Jacob and Esau and the twins struggled in her womb, she asked God to explain it to her. He responded, "Two Goyim are in thy womb." (KJV) Was God telling her "Two Gentiles are in your womb?" Certainly. The verse is correctly translated "Two Nations are in thy womb." Yet that same word, "GOYIM" is translated elsewhere as "Gentiles."

In the New Testament you'll find the same mistranslation of "gentile" from the Greek word "ethnos."
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#159622 Jan 22, 2013
Christian wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus is God, Muslims cannot understand the meaning of the Holy Trinity.

You reject Jesus because He was Born a Jew so this means that God is a Jew in your opinion.
I cannot give you a lesson on theology here, but just look at God's chosen people. They control the world, you pay taxes to them. They have the capability to destroy all Muslims but they are merciful to you.

If Muslims had the intelligence, they would destroy the Jewish people but they cannot because God is on their side.

Your Allah is weak and impotent against the Jews, Allah's people are primitive barbaric losers. That speaks volumes about your religion.
This post of yours is another typical Christian BullShit!

That Jesus is God, IS rubbish and absurd. Same goes for Trinity, which is also an absurdity.

By the way, Muslims are the Saviors of the Jews. The Jews would have become EXTINCT at the hands of Christianity, if there were no Islam. They sought refuge in Islamic lands.

Please check out the darkest history of Christianity.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159623 Jan 22, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
And how come Jesus Himself came into being? Did any one ever heard the name Jesus, BEFORE he came out of womb of Mary?
How idiotic you people look to make such claims, to talk about things of which you know nothing.
Just repeating parrot like what John and Paul said "of their own minds", without any revelation from God Almighty.
The Holy Bible from beginning to end speak of Jesus. The Jews did not recognize Jesus when He came and neither do you. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets. There are many scholarly works in Christology which will help you understand the Holy Bible.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159624 Jan 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
This post of yours is another typical Christian BullShit!
That Jesus is God, IS rubbish and absurd. Same goes for Trinity, which is also an absurdity.
By the way, Muslims are the Saviors of the Jews. The Jews would have become EXTINCT at the hands of Christianity, if there were no Islam. They sought refuge in Islamic lands.
Please check out the darkest history of Christianity.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If you want to see God and enter Heaven you must do it through Jesus.
uhuh

Jumilla, Spain

#159625 Jan 22, 2013
the "prayer" every morning: Bless HaShem who did not make me a goy/ akum/ nochri

a daily reminder
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159626 Jan 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
kind of amusing because I didnt wish anyone a good evening.
I understand Hebrew is similar to Arabic - you should of understood it
I wished you all a Good Morning !
OH dear ...the spin doctor lacks a sense of humour!! What is new?

In our part of the jungle called England...when somebody says good morning and if we wanna take the mick...we might say..and a good day to you...and its good night from us/him...or anything to that effect!!
More importantly...it was "evening/night" there...so I responded with a double entendre..!
wow.....in case you were wondering i did double check those words as you put in "English" against Hebrew!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159627 Jan 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop speaking Greek. Gentile is not a word used in the bible.
Wow...are you this thick?
When you stop speaking English I shall stop speaking foreign languages.

Ask all the Topix posters here to stop speaking Greek, Latin, and other Euro languages eh?

That dumps "Jesus" and "Christ" straight away!

Also good old buttboy pulled out "Gentile" from your edited books!
So tell HIM to stop speaking Latin Greek of even gibberish!!

If ALL non-gentiles stop using the word Gentile, we shall stop calling them Non-Gentiles.

Gentiles make up 99.5% of human race.
They DESERVE their OWN Messengers from GOD.

If your "god" cannot oblige we will have to call him a tribal racist bigoted sexist Anti-Gentile fake mini slave god of non-gentiles!!
Thank you..
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159628 Jan 22, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
Sorry - stop speaking LATIN
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile#In_the_B...
The term Gentile (from Latin gentilis, by the French "gentil", female: "gentille", meaning of or belonging to a clan or tribe) is used by English translators for the Hebrew, &#1490;&#1493;&#14 97; (goy) and &#1504;&#1499;&#15 12;&#1497; (nokhri) in the Hebrew Bible and the Greek word &#7956;&#952;&#957 ;&#951; (éthn&#275;) in the New Testament.
The term gentiles is derived from Latin, used for contextual translation, and not an original Hebrew or Greek word from the Bible. The original words Goy and Ethnos refer to "peoples" or "nations".
Latin and later English translators selectively used the term gentiles when the context for the base term "peoples" or "nations" referred to non-Israelite peoples or nations in English translations of the Bible.
Following Christianization of the Roman Empire, the general implication of the word gentile became "non-Jew".
In the Bible
In Saint Jerome's Latin version of the Bible, the Vulgate, gentilis was used in this wider sense, along with gentes, to translate Greek and Hebrew words with similar meanings when the text referred to the non-Hebrew peoples.
The most important of such Hebrew words was goyim (singular, goy), a term with the broad meaning of "peoples" or "nations" which was sometimes used to refer to Israelites, but most commonly as a generic label for peoples. Strong's Concordance defines goy as "nation, people, usually of non-Hebrew people, or of descendants of Abraham, or of Israel, or of a swarm of locusts or other animals (fig.) Goyim ='nations'." Strongs #1471[1]
In the King James Version, Gentile is only one of several words used to translate goy or goyim. It is translated as "nation" 374 times, "heathen" 143 times, "Gentiles" 30 times, and "people" 11 times. Some of these verses, such as Genesis 12:2 ("I will make of thee a great nation") and Genesis 25:23 ("Two nations are in thy womb") refer to Israelites or descendants of Abraham. Other verses, such as Isaiah 2:4 and Deuteronomy 11:23 are generic references to any nation.
Typically the KJV restricts the translation to "Gentile" when the text is specifically referring to non-Hebrew people. For example, the only use of the word in Genesis is in chapter 10, verse 5, referring to the peopling of the world by descendants of Japheth, "By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations."[2]
Thankfully that word is not connected to "genitals"!!!
I would not have put it past the arrogant non-gentiles, who insult Gentiles as DOGS and PIGS!!
You wanna challenge me on that too?
If they did....then we could have called them "Non-Genitals"
Mercy is upon all...
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#159630 Jan 22, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. If you want to see God and enter Heaven you must do it through Jesus.
Don't waste your time on Jesus. If you follow his way, it will lead to death. That is what he got, according to your books. Right?

Only the LORD Almighty God gives life and death and promises a good life in the hereafter to the believers.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159631 Jan 22, 2013
Never say HOST NAILING either in English!
The non-gentiles will be accused of nailing the "bread" body of (Greek or Latin or Euro...) "Christ"
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#159632 Jan 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
OK!
So, let me talk about the focal point.
After putting all translations under a microscopic scrutiny, I have concluded that this is what it means:
"Now, the Lord says, "You are not just my servant who restores the tribes of Jacob and brings back those in Israel whom I have preserved. I have also made you a light for the nations so that you would save people all over the world.""
So, the good LORD made Isaiah a light for nations. You can see that Jesus did not restore the tribes of Jacob. Thus Jesus is out!
I picked up this translation from God's Word translation after a very close scrutiny.
You weren't paying attention. Impotent Al charged that the "non-gen" books were concerned ONLY with "non-gens," which is why I posted Isaiah 49:6, not that it matters to Impotent Al, because he knows for a FACT that the "non-Jews" have corrupted their texts to give themselves some kind of salvation supremacy over the world, and that the One True God of Mohammad wouldn't have "revealed" anything like Isaiah 49:6 through any LEGITIMATE prophet. THIS is why Impotent Al REWROTE Isaiah 49:6 and atrtributed it to "REAL GOD."
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#159633 Jan 22, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't waste your time on Jesus. If you follow his way, it will lead to death. That is what he got, according to your books. Right?
Only the LORD Almighty God gives life and death and promises a good life in the hereafter to the believers.
Jesus rose from the dead and has power over death. He ascended into Heaven from where He shall come to judge the living and the dead. Jesus, the Lord Almighty God, is the Gate you must enter through to enter Heaven; there is no other gate.

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