Who Is Allah?

Aug 24, 2007 Full story: The Brussels Journal 212,267

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159286 Jan 20, 2013
Non Gentiles REJECT BJ....
Can you give a reason why Jews say Isaiah 9:6 does not refer to Jesus?

Answer: Christian theologians argue that the name "A wonderful counselor is the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the ruler of peace" refers to Jesus, who they allege combined human and divine qualities. They mistakenly believe that such a name can only be applied to God Himself. Moreover, the Christians incorrectly translate the verbs in verse 5 in the future tense, instead of the past, as the Hebrew original reads. Thus, the Christians render verse 5 as: "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on his shoulders; and his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

While admitting that "wonderful counselor" and "ruler of peace" can be applied to a man, Christian theologians argue that the phrases "mighty God" and "everlasting Father" cannot be incorporated as part of a man's name. Thus, they contend that Isaiah teaches that the Messiah has to be not only a man, but God as well. That this entire reasoning is incorrect may be seen from the name Elihu, "My God is He," which refers to an ordinary human being (Job 32:1, 1 Samuel 1:l, 1 Chronicles 12:21, 26:7, 27:18). A similar Christian misunderstanding of Scripture may be seen in their claims revolving around the name Immanuel, "God is with us." The simple fact is that it is quite common in the Bible for human beings to be given names that have the purpose of declaring or reflecting a particular attribute of God, e.g., Eliab, Eliada, Elzaphan, Eliakim, Elisha, Eleazar, Tavel, Gedaliah.

The fact remains that Jesus did not literally or figuratively fulfill any of Isaiah's words. A wonderful counselor does not advise his followers that if they have faith they can be agents of destruction (Matthew 21:19-21; Mark 11:14, 20-23). A mighty God does not take orders from anyone (Luke2:51, Hebrews 5:8), for no one is greater than he is (Matthew 12:31-32; John 5:30, 14:28). Moreover, he does not ask or need to be saved by anyone (Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42), for he cannot die by any means (Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, John 19:30). He who is called the Son of God the Father (John 1:18, 3:16) cannot himself be called everlasting Father. One cannot play simultaneously the role of the son and the Father; it is an obvious self-contradiction. He who advocates family strife (Matthew 10:34-35, Luke 12:49-53) and killing enemies (Luke 19:27) cannot be called a ruler of peace.
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The title fits the Gentile Prophet Muhammed better as he really was a leader and King!
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bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159287 Jan 20, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians worship the one true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
No more lies, please! We are tired of hearing that lie.

Christians worship a triune God, who is not the one true God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob and others.

The true God of Abraham plus others, did not have a son and did not have a thing known as the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit, the third of the three in the alleged Trinity.

And this triune God is not worshipped by the Jews.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159288 Jan 20, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah the bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford has denounced the KILLERS of CHRIST KILLERS in their millions!! All is well now!!
Now he can insult Muslims for defending their corner!!!!
Islam did NOT order the destruction of NON-Gentiles. Islam and Muslims gave PROTECTION to Non-Gentiles fleeing persecution and MURDER by Gentile Christians who called the non-gentiles CHRIST KILLERS!!!
The MORE important point is his pathetic attempts to cover up the MURDER of MILLIONS of JEWS as CHRIST KILLERS by loving "Christians".
This is VERY telling from one our our own ex Archbishops.....
"Without centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, Hitler's passionate hatred would never have been so fervently echoed."
Robert Runcie, Archbishop of Canterbury .
Hitler was the best example of a loving "Christian" who massacred Millions of Christ Killing Jews, until his defeat!!!
Just look at this:
" The doctrine of transubstantiation affirmed by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 led CATHOLICS to believe that the bread used at the MASS changed into Jesus' FLESH. The word HOST, a term for a sacrificial victim, was (and still is) applied to this bread. Within a few years stories were spreading that JEWS WERE STEALING WAFERS OF BREAD, AND TORTURING THEM IN ORDER TO TORTURE JESUS!!!!!! A common story was that JEWS PUSHED NAILS THROUGH THE BREAD, MAKING IT BLEED IN IMITATION OF THE CRUCIFIXION, a practice known as HOST NAILING. Sometimes the bread even cried out in pain. Stories like THIS LEAD TO JEWS BEING SENT TO THE STAKE THROUGHOUT EUROPE, the first victims apparently in 1243 at Berlitz in Germany. In 1298 a host nailing story was spread by a priest at Nuremberg, as a result of which 628 JEWS LOST THEIR LIVES. In the same year a knight by the name of Rindfliesh was responsible for the EXTERMINATION of 146 JEWISH COMMUNITIES in revenge for fancied affronts to the host. In 1337 at Deggendorf in Bavaria THE ENTIRE JEWISH POPULATION WAS BURNED following the circulation of such stories. The CHURCH(!!!!!) there commissioned a number of paintings showing Jews torturing the host with thorns, and with hammers and nails. Thousands of pilgrims travelled to see these pictures, until they were withdrawn in the 1960s. Similar massacres took place elsewhere, and imaginative pictures were commissioned to lend credibility to the imaginary events that had precipitated them. Generally they showed blood flowing from the tortured wafers of bread."
THERE ARE LOADS MORE LIKE THESE....
Perseveration is symptomatic of a mental disorder.

See: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#159289 Jan 20, 2013
bmz wrote:
No more lies, please! We are tired of hearing that lie.
Christians worship a triune God, who is not the one true God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob and others.
The true God of Abraham plus others, did not have a son and did not have a thing known as the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit, the third of the three in the alleged Trinity.
And this triune God is not worshipped by the Jews.
Thus saith the LORD!

Hey, just as a thought experiment, how would you define someone who had no human father yet claimed to be both a "son of man" and a "son of God?" Oh, he would also be able to perform miracles like raising the dead, feeding thousands with a few loaves and fishes, and walking on water.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159290 Jan 20, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
Brother bmz, I agree with 95% of what you are saying. The relevant parts that the Koran tells us are fables as well. The authors of the Koran could only cut and paste certain amount of fables but not all of it. You have to keep in mind that the authors of the Koran had less than a hundred years to cannonize the text while authors of the Hebrew Bible took their papas time, most likely hundreds of years.
Brother Mahmood,

I hope that you will soon agree with the remaining 5% also.

Bro, a canon for scripture is a collection of books.

For example, the Jews formed their canon. They had Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Psalms and many other books. So, they chose the relevant books and formed the Canon.

Christianity, on the other hand, had no scripture as Jesus did not leave any scripture behind and neither his illiterate disciples wrote any books. When we read the New Testament, we are reading 2nd hand-1000th hand information.

Long after Jesus was gone, say 4-5 centuries later, the Church cherry-picked four gospels from the streets, picked a dozen or so letters of Paul (half of them not really from paul) and a few from others and formed their own Canon known as the New Testament, copied and pasted a wholesale edited and forged copy of the Jewish Canon, calling it the Old Testament. The name Old Testament also indicates a useless Testament, which was technically redundant.

In the case of Qur'aan, it was not gathered from various books, written by men. So, there was no such thing as Canonizing of Qur'aan.

If many men had written Qur'aan, then we would have had Qur'aan, According to Aleph; Qur'aan, According to Kaaf; Qur'aan, According to Meem and so on but we do not have. There is no ACCORDING TO for Qur'aan.

Here, I am sure you will agree with me. Thanks, bro.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159291 Jan 20, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
CORRECTION POST #159262
If you cannot accept the tales in the Gospels, then you have to reject the tales in the Quran.
Only because Quran says the Nazarene was able to speak at few hours after his birth, or have created a bird out of clay and blown life into it,(giving a life to something or someone should be a work of god, not of man, no messenger of god before or after Jesus made this), doesn't make the claims true.
So stop of being hypocrite using your double standard and reject all the tales from all the so called holy books, Quran included, or if you accept the Quranic tales, then you have no authority to denigrate the tales of others, being yourself a tale believer.
By the way, concerning the Quranic Nazarene, the narratives of him created a bird and defending his mother to have not fornicated were tales taken from non-canonical books, called Infacy Gospels. This means that Quranic editors have copied and pasted something considered by Christian authorities to be 2nd class tales.
In conclusion Quranic tales regarding Jesus are even worst than Gospels tales.
HILARIOUS.
Can you come up with the next correction, please? Thanks
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159292 Jan 20, 2013
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Perseveration is symptomatic of a mental disorder.
See: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c...
Because bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford is uneducated and is from a very low social class he resorts to internet links for his "knowledge"!
Let's give him some...
Ah the bu(tteredbuttturdlick)ford has denounced the KILLERS of CHRIST KILLERS in their millions!! All is well now!!

Islam did NOT order the destruction of NON-Gentiles. Islam and Muslims gave PROTECTION to Non-Gentiles fleeing persecution and MURDER by Gentile Christians who called the non-gentiles CHRIST KILLERS!!!

The MORE important point is his pathetic attempts to cover up the MURDER of MILLIONS of JEWS as CHRIST KILLERS by loving "Christians".

This is VERY telling from one our our own ex Archbishops.....
"Without centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, Hitler's passionate hatred would never have been so fervently echoed."
Robert Runcie, Archbishop of Canterbury .

Hitler was the best example of a loving "Christian" who massacred Millions of Christ Killing Jews, until his defeat!!!

Just look at this:
" Successful CRUSADES not only STARTED with MASSACRES of JEWISH COMMUNITIES, they ENDED with them as well.

The general pattern followed the first great Crusader success.

When the CRUSADERS TOOK JERUSALEM THEY PURSUED the JEWISH POPULATION INTO THEIR SYNAGOGUE, and then SET LIGHT TO IT, BURNING THEM ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!

SPREES of MURDER and ARSON were LED by PRIESTS, and the SAME PATTERN was repeated EVERY time a NEW CRUSADE was preached.

As one influential ABBOT, PETER CLUNY, pointed out: IT WAS EXPENSIVE in men and money to TRAVEL TO the END of the WORLD to FIGHT MOHAMMEDANS, yet THERE were INFIDELS (JEWS) LIVING LOCALLY WHO were FAR MORE GUILTY TOWARDS CHRIST!!!!!!"

"JEWS FAR MORE GUILTY TOWARDS CHRIST!!!!"...WOW....
THERE ARE LOADS MORE LIKE THESE....
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159293 Jan 20, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you come up with the next correction, please? Thanks
In English or Gibberish? LOL....
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159294 Jan 20, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
....Long after Jesus was gone, say 4-5 centuries later, the Church cherry-picked four gospels from the streets, picked a dozen or so letters of Paul (half of them not really from paul) and a few from others and formed their own Canon known as the New Testament, copied and pasted a wholesale edited and forged copy of the Jewish Canon, calling it the Old Testament. The name Old Testament also indicates a useless Testament, which was technically redundant.

....If many men had written Qur'aan, then we would have had Qur'aan, According to Aleph; Qur'aan, According to Kaaf; Qur'aan, According to Meem and so on but we do not have. There is no ACCORDING TO for Qur'aan.
Here, I am sure you will agree with me. Thanks, bro.
These are worth repeating:
"the Church cherry-picked four gospels from the STREETS",

"The name Old Testament also indicates a USELESS Testament, which was technically REDUNDANT."

"If many men had written Qur'aan, then we would have had Qur'aan, According to Aleph; Qur'aan, According to Kaaf; Qur'aan, According to Meem and so on.... There is no ACCORDING TO for Qur'aan."

The USELESS testament is there to "prove" the authenticity of their failed "mangod"!!!!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159295 Jan 20, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Salaams brother.
That time waster is talking about a few people who met their fate just lioke many Arabs did!
The MORE important point is his pathetic attempts to cover up the MURDER of MILLIONS of JEWS as CHRIST KILLERS by loving "Christians".
This is VERY telling from one our our own ex Archbishops.....
"Without centuries of Christian anti-Semitism, Hitler's passionate hatred would never have been so fervently echoed."
Robert Runcie, Archbishop of Canterbury .
Hitler was the best example of a loving "Christian" who massacred Millions of Christ Killing Jews, until his defeat!!!
Just look at this:
" The doctrine of transubstantiation affirmed by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 led CATHOLICS to believe that the bread used at the MASS changed into Jesus' FLESH. The word HOST, a term for a sacrificial victim, was (and still is) applied to this bread. Within a few years stories were spreading that JEWS WERE STEALING WAFERS OF BREAD, AND TORTURING THEM IN ORDER TO TORTURE JESUS!!!!!! A common story was that JEWS PUSHED NAILS THROUGH THE BREAD, MAKING IT BLEED IN IMITATION OF THE CRUCIFIXION, a practice known as HOST NAILING. Sometimes the bread even cried out in pain. Stories like THIS LEAD TO JEWS BEING SENT TO THE STAKE THROUGHOUT EUROPE, the first victims apparently in 1243 at Berlitz in Germany. In 1298 a host nailing story was spread by a priest at Nuremberg, as a result of which 628 JEWS LOST THEIR LIVES. In the same year a knight by the name of Rindfliesh was responsible for the EXTERMINATION of 146 JEWISH COMMUNITIES in revenge for fancied affronts to the host. In 1337 at Deggendorf in Bavaria THE ENTIRE JEWISH POPULATION WAS BURNED following the circulation of such stories. The CHURCH(!!!!!) there commissioned a number of paintings showing Jews torturing the host with thorns, and with hammers and nails. Thousands of pilgrims travelled to see these pictures, until they were withdrawn in the 1960s. Similar massacres took place elsewhere, and imaginative pictures were commissioned to lend credibility to the imaginary events that had precipitated them. Generally they showed blood flowing from the tortured wafers of bread."
THERE ARE LOADS MORE LIKE THESE....
Salaams, bro

Thanks.

I wanted to explain that Kinana got what he deserved. The Jews of Banu Nadir were not wiped out. The Jews of Banu Qaynuqa were not wiped out. If the Prophet were cruel, surely all the Jews of Medinah would have faced the same fate as that of millions of their brothers, who had lost their lives at the hands of European Christians, for no valid reason.

And here, we have clueless ignorant fools, who quote us material that says the Jews conspired with pagans, took their side and fought along with them to annihilate the Prophet, Muslims and destroy Islam.

So, the point is that KInana and other Jewish leaders were treacherous and got the death punishment they deserved.

Thus the mother of all questions is Why Kinana's brothers were tortured and slaughtered by European Christians over centuries?

Had they hidden treasures all over Europe? LMAO!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159296 Jan 20, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
In English or Gibberish? LOL....
lol!

Will be bad in either case.

I saved my precious time.
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#159297 Jan 20, 2013
it was said that medieval Jews used to steal the sacramental host from churches and then stab the bread with knives (as if to kill Jesus all over again)

the Jews confessed to desecrating the host (after being tortured with hot pincers), then burnt on the stakes for good

true man, true God, and true bread! lol

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#159298 Jan 20, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
If many men had written Qur'aan, then we would have had Qur'aan, According to Aleph; Qur'aan, According to Kaaf; Qur'aan, According to Meem and so on but we do not have. There is no ACCORDING TO for Qur'aan.
Like he doesn't know many variants of Quran were burnt back the days...
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#159299 Jan 20, 2013
what good is Jesus if he did not die for our sake? who's gonna pay for our sins?
we need him to suffer an agonizing death, we need him to die ...Mission:Die
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159300 Jan 20, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Salaams, bro
Thanks.
I wanted to explain that Kinana got what he deserved. The Jews of Banu Nadir were not wiped out. The Jews of Banu Qaynuqa were not wiped out. If the Prophet were cruel, surely all the Jews of Medinah would have faced the same fate as that of millions of their brothers, who had lost their lives at the hands of European Christians, for no valid reason.
And here, we have clueless ignorant fools, who quote us material that says the Jews conspired with pagans, took their side and fought along with them to annihilate the Prophet, Muslims and destroy Islam.
So, the point is that KInana and other Jewish leaders were treacherous and got the death punishment they deserved.
Thus the mother of all questions is Why Kinana's brothers were tortured and slaughtered by European Christians over centuries?
Had they hidden treasures all over Europe? LMAO!
Salaams bro....that ignorant fool is shedding crocodile tears over a handful of "treacherous" people, whether Arabs or Jews, while trivialising the massacres of Millions of innocent Jewish people by loving Gentile Christians.
That uneducated non-gentile buttboy uses an infantile diversionary tactic...."Look... Pink elephant with a red herring up his nose"!

Yes....the mother of all questions is Why Kinana's brothers were tortured and slaughtered by European Christians over centuries?
Had they hidden treasures all over Europe?!!!

Salaams...
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159303 Jan 20, 2013
uhuh wrote:
what good is Jesus if he did not die for our sake? who's gonna pay for our sins?
we need him to suffer an agonizing death, we need him to die ...Mission:Die
lol..........
so the loving christians can carry on sinning by killing the Christ Killers instead of saying "thank you" to them!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159304 Jan 20, 2013
Buford wrote:
MUHAMMAD & ISLAM: Stories not told before.
http://mukto-mona.net/Articles/asghar/muhamma...
__________
Islamic Conquest of Jerusalem
http://www.gojerusalem.com/article_530/Islami...
Excerpt:
But less than ten years after the battles between Byzantium and Persia at last came to an end, Caliph Umar’s armies arrived at the gates of Jerusalem. THEY HAD ALREADY SUBJUGATED MUCH OF THE COUNTRY, and victory over the Holy City therefore seemed assured. Patriarch Heraklios fled the country, taking the True Cross from Jerusalem with him.
When at last the Greek Orthodox Patriarch Sophronius of Jerusalem was forced to surrender in 638 A.D., Umar is believed to have traveled to Jerusalem personally in order to receive the surrender. Umar had become the second caliph following the death of Abu Bakr, making him one of the earliest successors of Mohammed himself. His procession into the city was a humble one: the caliph was clad in simple attire, leading a camel. HIS CONQUEST OF JERUSALEM, ONCE THE CITY HAD SURRENDERED, WAS MARKED BY ITS LACK OF FURTHER KILLING AND DESTRUCTION.
__________
How many Jews were killed by Muslims in this process of subjugation and conquest? Who knows?
Have something heer to rub in your face!

From your most beloved source Wikipedia, which I fondly call Ignorant Fool's pedia:

"After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_J...

And from the same source, if you read on:

"According to Gilbert, from 1099 to 1291 the Christian Crusaders "mercilessly persecuted and slaughtered the Jews of Palestine."[70]

In 1099, the Jews were among the rest of the population who tried in vain to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders.

When the city fell, a massacre of 6,000 Jews occurred when the synagogue they were seeking refuge in was set alight. Almost all perished.[71] In Haifa, the Jews and Muslims held out for a whole month,(June–July 1099).[72]

Under Crusader rule, Jews were not allowed to hold land and involved themseleves in commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence.

Most of them were artisans: glassblowers in Sidon, furriers and dyers in Jerusalem.[citation needed] At this time there were Jewish communities scattered all over the country, including Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza.

In line with trail of bloodshed the Crusaders left in Europe on their way to liberate the Holyland, in Palestine, both Muslims and Jews were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery."

So, how many Jews were killed in the conquest of Jerusalem?

Answer: None!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#159305 Jan 20, 2013
uhuh wrote:
it was said that medieval Jews used to steal the sacramental host from churches and then stab the bread with knives (as if to kill Jesus all over again)
the Jews confessed to desecrating the host (after being tortured with hot pincers), then burnt on the stakes for good
true man, true God, and true bread! lol
AND..........BLEEDING CRYING BREAD GOD IN PAIN!!!!!!!!

The word host, a term for a sacrificial victim, was (and still is) applied to this BREAD. Within a few years stories were spreading that JEWS WERE STEALING wafers of BREAD, and TORTURING them in order to TORTURE JESUS. A common story was that THE JEWS PUSHED NAILS THROUGH BREAD, making it BLEED in imitation of the crucifixion, a practice known as HOST NAILING. Sometimes the BREAD even CRIED out IN PAIN.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159306 Jan 20, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>

These are worth repeating:

"the Church cherry-picked four gospels from the STREETS",

"The name Old Testament also indicates a USELESS Testament, which was technically REDUNDANT."

"If many men had written Qur'aan, then we would have had Qur'aan, According to Aleph; Qur'aan, According to Kaaf; Qur'aan, According to Meem and so on.... There is no ACCORDING TO for Qur'aan."

The USELESS testament is there to "prove" the authenticity of their failed "mangod"!!!!
Thanks for liking that, bro.

Salaams
BMZ

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#159307 Jan 20, 2013
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Salaams bro....that ignorant fool is shedding crocodile tears over a handful of "treacherous" people, whether Arabs or Jews, while trivialising the massacres of Millions of innocent Jewish people by loving Gentile Christians.

That uneducated non-gentile buttboy uses an infantile diversionary tactic...."Look... Pink elephant with a red herring up his nose"!

Yes....the mother of all questions is Why Kinana's brothers were tortured and slaughtered by European Christians over centuries?

Had they hidden treasures all over Europe?!!!

Salaams...
Salaams too, bro.

And notice that Banu Nadir and Banu Qaynuqa and the rest did not go and settle in the holy land.

Instead, they settled in Syria.

The reason why I asked: "Had they hidden treasures all over Europe?"

It is reported by idiots and clueless fools that Kinana was a treasurer of the Jews and had hidden all the treasure somewhere. How could a treasurer hide all the wealth of all Jews by burying somewhere, without telling the fellow Jews? Would the Jews of Bani Nadir entrust all their money and wealth to one man?

That is a silly and absurd story. Other Jews would have have dug it out anyway and surely would have stoned Kinana and filled up the pit with Kinana.

I want the ignorant fools to start thinking hard, bro.

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