Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 253418 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158425 Jan 12, 2013
Eric wrote:
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Now we are into stereotypes and bigotry. I don't have a "Jewish Nose". Neither does my wife or my kids or my son's wife. Where does this stereotype of others come from Hugh? The "Jewish Nose" stereotype was used in Nazi propoganda to cause derision. Is that what you are doing, Hugh?
Eric---Now we are into stereotypes and bigotry.

HughBe--- rabbi, be yourself. Truth and wisdom are not gifts given to you and other rabbis, speaking collectively.

Eric--I don't have a "Jewish Nose".

HughBe--- Some will say that such is the case because you are not a full Jew.

My points are repeated below with significant ADDITIONS for your LEARNING.

1.Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews their DNA. Jewish DNA testings are NOT done to determine RELIGION.The tests are done to determine RACE.

2.RACE/LINEAGE gives Jews their DNA. Recall, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel etc. that is LINEAGE/race.

3.Jews are a RACE of people.

4.Judaism is a RELIGION and its members are Judahites.

5.Judaism/religion does NOT give the Jews a JEWISH NOSE.

6.RACE gives Jews, JEWISH NOSES

7. Jews were in existence LONG before Moses got the law.

8. God made a COVENANT with a people KNOWN as Israel/Jews.

9. The LAW or COVENANT did NOT make them Jews they were ALREADY Jews

10. Jews existed over a 1000 years before Judaism.

11. When Jews leave Judaism their DNA do NOT change.

12. When Jews leave Judaism they REMAIN the SEED of Abraham, Isaac and Israel and there is NOTHING that you and other rabbis can do about that REALITY.

13. When a CONVERT leaves Judaism, is s/he still a spiritual Jew? NO, NO, NO!

14. When a Jew,seed of Israel, leaves Judaism is s/he still a Jew. YES. The DNA does not change. Only DECEIVERS don't get this.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158426 Jan 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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Getting insaner by the post.
Mormones believed that when they took (stole) black and native american kids that they would turn white. And white was good ofcourse.
Then someone else named 'jew' as a skincolour.
So hugh is jealouse of the detente between Eric and BMZ or changed his religion to get rid of his arab nose.(As in the pictures on pamphlets in hitlers days always showed the typical arab nose.)
But given that he is mixed jewish-afro, he has an issue with his jewish nose.
Find a (nose) shrink is my suggestion.
Why is jewish seen as race? Well because f.i. the vatican and national socialists defined it as such. Russians never went along with that.
But given that one can simply be prosecuted, even though one is not distinct in appearance from the majority around one, simply because of birth and classification, it is just fitting to spit at one and all and then simply declare oneself as a race and a culture and a religion and why the hell not a colour too. Just to spite the entire crazy world.
Judahite would either be a fervent religious person as f.i. zealots or essenes or one in favour of the judean state millennia ago.
Maat--Getting insaner by the post.

HughBe---Hi Maat, greetings and the very best for 2013.

Having said that, I take comfort in knowing that I am NOT totally insane, unlike YOU. Let me help you, you speak of GETTING and this means that I am NOT there but the reality is that you are NOT getting you are already there i.e. totally INSANE.

Much love, HughBe.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#158427 Jan 12, 2013
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Who ever said that 18:50 implies anything?
Do you read and understand english, don't ya?
I have found it and reported it yet that Iblis is Satan in this post. Take a deep breath now: REPOSTING
"I was trying to not humiliate you by exposing another contradiction and absurdity from Quran, but if you insist...
Quran 7:11
And We have certainly created you,[O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.
It implies Iblis was an angel, being the order given to angels.
Quran 18:50 says Iblis is a jinn, which automatically contradicts Quran 7:11
And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.
We have some problems now:
1)Satan is an angel and therefore not a jinn
2) Or he is a jinn and therefore not an angel, which makes Allah unjust for blaming him for not obeying a command given to the angels and not to the jinn.
Let us see how you will come out from this mess"
So, where does Qur'aan say that Satan was an angel? Verse please!

I already brought you out of the mess in your mind. Read the post again:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#158428 Jan 12, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Have you ever read or seen any URDU book?
Do you find ANY PUNCTUATION marks in any URDU Book?
Can any one else but a man who know URDU can read these words without punctuation marks?
But if we want people who do not understand URDU to read URDU book, we should put punctuation marks and vowels so that they can read it.
The same is the case for Quran, to Original Arabs, no punctuation marks were needed, they could read it without these.
But when Non Arab people started accepting Islam and THEY tried to read Quran, they faced problems. That is WHY punctuation marks and dots were "invented" so that they find it "easy" to read.
And since people could still make mistakes by using punctuation marks by themselves, that is why only "Authentic Reciters" who had learned Quran from companions of prophet, were allowed to teach people as to where to place which punctuation mark.
Can any one show any other book in the world, which was preserved in so elaborate a fashion?
there is no way in which one can satisfy the "disease" in the hearts of people, but to a logical and reasonable mind, any amount of fair investigations, would make him realize that Quran is preserved in its pristine condition, like no other book on the face of earth.
But I do not understand, when you do not believe in any religion, why you keep on asking these questions? Why you pretend sometime that you are Christian and some time as you are an atheist and some time as a Buddhist?
Why you waste your time and others in these useless and purposeless discussions?
What I told you about URDU, you will forget and keep on repeating the same objection to some one else!
If someone learns how to read URDU, he learns to read it as it is written by those who know how to write URDU, "punctuation marks" and all, period.

Assuming that Caliph Uthman knew how to READ Arabic when he was rounding up the variant Qur'ans in an effort to produce one final authoritative version, I wonder how many of these "Authentic Reciters" of the Qur'an that he must have gathered together also knew how to READ Arabic, so that they wouldn't have to take his word for it, for example, that the letter X in the Qur'an means the same as X! when it is pronounced but not the same as !X.

Of course, the "Authentic Reciters" would have to all be in agreement about what Allah/Jibreel/Mohammad's Arabic SOUNDED LIKE even BEFORE they tried tackling its written form WITHOUT "puntuation marks."

Your argument is unconvincing.
__________
I don't recall ever pretending to be an atheist.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158430 Jan 12, 2013
You are making one step forward and two steps back.
bmz wrote:
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So, where does Qur'aan say that Satan was an angel? Verse please!
I quoted that yesterday, and even another person named SanBee did the same quoting more verses than I did.
You are making the same mistake of Quran 2:62 VS Quran 4:150-151, taking one and leave out the other and Mr or Mrs faith busted you so well.
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>I already brought you out of the mess in your mind. Read the post again:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
I think it's the other way around, I brought you out of the mess in your mind, but you don't like when someone expose contradiction from Quran so you keep lie and deny.
In the other post you accused to have said Quran 18:50 say something implicitly, and I pointed out to you I never said that and that that verse explicitly say he jinn in contradiction with the verse brought by me and SanBee.
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#158431 Jan 12, 2013
Maimonides' compilation of halacha, Mishneh Torah, is the main citation when it comes to the claim that "gentiles who keep the seven mitzvot have a share in the world-to-come"

however, most gentiles are not aware that in the same book there iss another halacha: "deniers of Torah such as the Muslims and Christians do not have a share in the world-to-come"

show some hide some
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#158432 Jan 12, 2013
angels were made of light (Sahih Muslim)
jinns were made of fire (15:27)
Iblis was made of fire (7:12)
"Iblis he is of the jinns" (18:50)

a matter of simple deduction: Iblis and angels are different
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#158433 Jan 12, 2013
"Ibn Abbas said: Before Iblis sinned, his name was Azazil" (Tafsir Ibn Kathir)

the 2 goats on Yom Kipur; one is "for YHWH", the other is "for Azazel"
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#158435 Jan 12, 2013
the idea of fallen angels came from Jewish sources,

"Satan, yetzer ha-ra and the angel of death are one and the same" (Baba Bathra 16a)

also read the two fallen angels Uzza and Uziel
the sons of God who mated with female humans (their children were nephilim giants)
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#158436 Jan 12, 2013
Greek NT mss have
no full-stops, no commas, not even spaces between word, just a continuous string of letters, and all in capitals!
uhuh

Valencia, Spain

#158437 Jan 12, 2013
concerning "the only begotten Son of God",

"Whosoever believes in him shall not perish" (John 3:16) ergo, whoever does not believe in him shall perish
"He who believes not is already judged" (3:18) i.e. judged to perish

"He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; He who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16)

baptize, or be damned to perish in gehenna

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#158438 Jan 12, 2013
uhuh wrote:
the idea of fallen angels came from Jewish sources,
"Satan, yetzer ha-ra and the angel of death are one and the same" (Baba Bathra 16a)
also read the two fallen angels Uzza and Uziel
the sons of God who mated with female humans (their children were nephilim giants)
Combining here.
We see the theology of John first mentioning jesus in combination with hell.(The other gospels just tell a simple story as in not occupied as to how god or religion should be percieved. Therefore John stands out and are people given the advise to read John if they want to understand what christianity is about.)
But 'Uz' in the older texts used to be one of the names for Edom.
We've discussed long ago how living in islamic and christian lands changed the writing and ideas on interpreting the old hebrew texts.
It's important to keep that in mind.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#158439 Jan 12, 2013
Repeat: shaitan means nothing else but evil gossip.
Nashustan was the snakestaff, or snake that had divine powers.
In christianity we see it all getting mixed up.
Indeed the priestclass did want any objects of veneration destroyed.
So easy to understand how vilification got a place in the mind of man.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158440 Jan 12, 2013
uhuh wrote:
angels were made of light (Sahih Muslim)
jinns were made of fire (15:27)
Iblis was made of fire (7:12)
"Iblis he is of the jinns" (18:50)
a matter of simple deduction: Iblis and angels are different
It's curious to know that the news of angels were made of light was taken from Hadithes who are KNOWN to be tale, and not from Quran.

Since the author of Hadith is not the author of Quran there is no need to take it the Hadith in consoderation.

If the Quran tells what the angeles were made of then show it off, otherwise your post is irrelevant.

Quran 7:11

And We have certainly created you,[O Mankind], and given you [human] form. Then We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was not of those who prostrated.

It implies Iblis was an angel, being the order given to angels.

Quran 18:50 says Iblis is a jinn, which automatically contradicts Quran 7:11

And [mention] when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except for Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his Lord. Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me while they are enemies to you? Wretched it is for the wrongdoers as an exchange.

We have some problems now that a Muslim has to solve:

1)Satan is an angel and therefore not a jinn

2) Or he is a jinn and therefore not an angel, which makes Allah unjust for blaming him for not obeying a command given to the angels and not to the jinn.

Let us see how you will come out from this mess"
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#158443 Jan 12, 2013
What is the difference between fire and light?
Mahmood

Schomberg, Canada

#158444 Jan 12, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Mahmood,
That is correct and the game is valid.
The US is itself double dealing with all the Muslims countries. It deserves what it gets from the Pakis.
I don't think Pakistan is running on American aid.
As long as the US remains in Afghanistan, it has to keep spending. An early exit will save the US billions of dollars that it keeps on wasting. The US is not sincere to Pakistan, so do not expect the Pakis to be sincere to US. Why should they be?
US does not owe Pakis a living. If not for US and Intl aid, Pakistan is incapable of sustaining itself. That country is suffering from hyper inflation and the people are feeling the pinch. In Karachi, you can have a man killed for $700.00 - thats all it takes.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#158445 Jan 12, 2013
Buford wrote:
What is the difference between fire and light?
Fire produces light whereas light or light sources do not necessarily produce fire.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#158446 Jan 12, 2013
The light is the observable brightness that come from Sun, electrical device or fire ect.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#158447 Jan 12, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Fire produces light whereas light or light sources do not necessarily produce fire.
IOW, light is fire, as seen.

Did Mohammad know this?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#158448 Jan 12, 2013
HughBe wrote:
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Fire produces light whereas light or light sources do not necessarily produce fire.
Somehow, in "Allah's" matrix, this is THE difference between angels and jinn.

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