Who Is Allah?

Who Is Allah?

There are 252857 comments on the The Brussels Journal story from Aug 24, 2007, titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Brussels Journal.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155996 Dec 13, 2012
Alesx123 aka WM wrote:
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You are welcome bro, any time!
I agree totally...when their intention is to ridicule at any cost without stopping to even think, then our response does not have to comply with this:
" Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and debate/discuss/argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious." Noble Qur'ân 16:125
Salaams, WM
Thanks again, bro.

Salaams and good night
BMZ

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#155998 Dec 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Sam Shamoun is indeed a clueless ignorant fool. Thanks for calling him that.
The verse abrogates all past scriptures.
Quran 16:101

And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You,[O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know.

ISLAMIC EXPLICATION OF THAT VERSE:

[In the gradual revelation of the Qur'an some verses have been abrogated (Mansukh) by the order of Allah (Glory be to Him the Most High), and replaced with others (nasîkh). As is well known the Koran fell in twenty-three years according to the needs of the Islamic community that was forming. In this context, Allah (Glory be to Him the Most High) would have it, a few verses (mostly related to legal issues, institutional and never doctrinal) become superseded and replaced them with others. After the conclusion of the Revelation, the Koran assumed the characteristics of immutability which is one of his miracles. The question of the abrogated and the abrogating was used by detractors of the Envoy of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) to accuse him of counterfeiting.

IOW, the new verses DIDNT abrogate all the past scriptures but the ones in Quran. As expected you are always ready to making things up.

Furthermore this and other verses that talk about abrogation of the old verses on the same book are the proof that Allah is not perfect and all knowing, IOW it's a fake god. Good to know the proof of that is in Quran and not elsewhere.
Mahmood

Toronto, Canada

#155999 Dec 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Item 1, agreed.
Item 2, agreed, because all fragments, etc had been burned or destroyed by Uthman, Ali and Company.
Item 3, there were no original manuscripts of Qur'aan at that time, as it had not been compiled.
Item 4, do not agree.
Item 5. There is no need for any evidence. The same has been repeated for a thousand plus years.
Item 6. That was not an important requirement. He was not a king.
Item 7: No verses of Qur'aan have been abrogated. If verses had been abrogated, they would have been deleted.
Shias, Sunnis and all other sects have and read exactly the same Qur'aan.
People have been rattling the Koran ever since it was put to print and distributed all over the world. According to Ibn Mujahid there were approx 07 qiraats (readings of the Koran) while others claim that there were 14. It wasn't until July 1924 when the Egyptian govt decided to throw all existing Korans into the River Nile and re-edit the whole Koran and that is the Koran which we have in our hands today.

None of us know what type of Koran existed between 610-710 AD and how much of it. You have no proof that the Koran we have today was the same Koran people were reciting back then. You have no proof as to how much of the Koran was actually dictated by Mohammad? I doubt if all the narratives in the Koran come from him. Caliph Osman allegedly sent copies of the Koran to Kufa, Basra, Damascus and elsewhere, what happened to those copies? The theory that Osman burnt Korans comes from a much later tradition for which there is no evidence. There are too many unanswered questions. Your replies are based more on blind faith than they are on evidence.

I doubt if there were too many verses written down until that Gov Hajjaj came to power - I could be wrong. The Sana manucripts date back to that period - early 8th CE. "Allah" knows best how much editing and interpolation was undertaken by the Umayyads as those [email protected] were not to be trusted. And what do you mean that there is no abrogation in the Koran? What about the science of Naskh wal Mansukh, are you saying it's all [email protected]?
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#156000 Dec 13, 2012
Alesx123 aka WM wrote:
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but f,c,k, r are NOT in your Torah AND to be ignored right?
There you go rabbee.... now you are forced to eat your own words and wonder how they taste for a change!!!
With best wishes from a TRUE and REAL believer in TRUE and REAL God.
rabbee: can you prove anything i said, as untrue today? since everything today is, all happening here in TheStory of Creation again. and do you know what, G-D calls this Story of Creation again? though it is true, nothing i said in that post is relavent to your or anyone elses redemption. it never the less, is all taking place here in TheTorah. and if i said it, it is only because i am truly here again, in ThisStory of Creation agains'es.

any pagan idiot can call themselves a true believer to their other g-d/s. but that does not make you a true believer, to TheG-D of this whole same story again. your off in some fantacy ficticious la-la land called the quran. but i am here in TheReality of G-D, giving This Story of Creation again called TheTorah. precisely like it says, for this condesending world not here in IT.

you bragging and gloating rights of the quran, mean less than your nothing doing, actually here in TheTorah today. and i am sorry if you are having a hard time, admitting you have been conned by the subtle beasts of the fields. that even i had, to swallow my pride and to admit myself because you all helped your grandmother to trick me again. as you cannot possibly, feel more embarassment than i about being decieved.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156001 Dec 13, 2012
Alesx123 aka WM wrote:
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hello clueless bu(ttturdlick)ford...it is slightly better than the "slave god of non-gentiles", who HATES gentiles as dogs and pigs, comes to earth in human form as his own son, to die for the sins of "gentiles" because he promised the "sinless non-gentiles" the ringside seats to all the fun in the kingodm!!!
What is a "kingodm?"

Take your meds.
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156002 Dec 13, 2012
"After the conclusion of the Revelation, the Koran assumed the characteristics of immutability which is one of his miracles."

LOL!!!
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156004 Dec 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
Neither Islam is a threat to the world nor the entire world is a threat to Islam and Muslims.
Go and visit Muslim countries and see the Muslim women living like queens in their houses, tribal areas excluded.
He was already praised by God Almighty, so how can you ask me foolishly not to praise him.
Willfully Ignorant Fool,

You exempt "tribal areas" as though Islam is not ENTIRELY about tribal identity!

See: Tribes and Tribalism in the Arab Spring
http://cemmis.edu.gr/index.php...
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156005 Dec 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
He was already praised by God Almighty, so how can you ask me foolishly not to praise him.
Where is it recorded that "God Almighty" praised Mohammad? Why, it's recorded in the Qur'an, which also happens to be the record of what Mohammad dictated to his scribes, which is why it MUST BE TRUE!

Lol!!!#!!@!@#
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156007 Dec 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
Thanks for the compliment, bro. I feel humbled.
Ridiculing others, when reading their unintelligent responses, cannot be considered as arrogance.
In such cases, ridicule is the best course. And Buford does not understand this.
I understand that every NON-MUSLIM who disagrees with you is an "ignorant fool."

You are a sick joke.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156010 Dec 13, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
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For once I agree with most of what you have written but who's to stop them. Shia Islam is cult of martyrdom.
Thank you for that. Apologies for not picking this post up.
Sadly many are so deeply immersed in customs traditions and bit players, they forget the main purpose of submitting to the Will of God in peace in search of peace.
I have been a bit lucky. I first looked for God in the OT and NT and then took the next logical step of finding God in Islam.
Peace
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156011 Dec 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
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I understand that every NON-MUSLIM who disagrees with you is an "ignorant fool."
You are a sick joke.
We all know that you are a light weight moron who can only be given the title of "village idiot" or "ignorant fool".
or woodworker with woodworms?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156012 Dec 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
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What is a "kingodm?"
Take your meds.
king-o-dm? bu(ttturdlick)ford....how about king-dong?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156013 Dec 13, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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Thank you for that. Apologies for not picking this post up.
Sadly many are so deeply immersed in customs traditions and bit players, they forget the main purpose of submitting to the Will of God in peace in search of peace.
I have been a bit lucky. I first looked for God in the OT and NT and then took the next logical step of finding God in Islam.
Peace
And now you have presumably found God in Islam, or at least what you think is the "Real McCoy."

How does it set with you that the "Will of God in Islam" mandates circumambulating the Magic Cube of Mecca seven times in a counterclockwise fashion, that is, if one can afford the trip?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156014 Dec 13, 2012
Why did Mohammad kiss the Black Stone, that pre-islamic idol, and enshrine it in the Magic Cube?
Buford

Scott Depot, WV

#156015 Dec 13, 2012
Stone Kissing and Idolatry
http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Incon...

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

When Allah’s Apostle came to Mecca, he refused to enter the Ka'ba with idols in it. He ordered (idols to be taken out). So they were taken out. The people took out the pictures of Abraham and Ishmael holding Azlams in their hands. Allah's Apostle said, "May Allah curse these people. By Allah, both Abraham and Ishmael never did the game of chance with Azlams." Then he entered the Ka'ba and said Takbir at its corners but did not offer the prayer in it.(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 671)

Yet Muhammad didn’t apply the Quran’s injunctions consistently since he was seen kissing the black stone of the Kabah:

Narrated Salim that his father said:
I saw Allah’s Apostle arriving at Mecca; he kissed the Black Stone Corner first while doing Tawaf and did ramal in the first three rounds of the seven rounds (of Tawaf).(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 673)

Narrated Az-Zubair bin ‘Arabi:
A man asked Ibn 'Umar about the touching of the Black Stone. Ibn ‘Umar said, "I saw Allah’s Apostle touching and kissing it." The questioner said, "But if there were a throng (much rush) round the Ka'ba and the people overpowered me,(what would I do?)" He replied angrily, "Stay in Yemen (as that man was from Yemen). I saw Allah's Apostle touching and kissing it." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 680)

This sheer act of idolatry troubled some of his own companions such as Umar bin al-Khattab:

Narrated ‘Abis bin Rabia:
‘Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said, "No doubt, I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667)

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying,‘By Allah! I know that you are a stone AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.’ Then he kissed it and said,‘There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.’‘Umar added,‘(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675)

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam that his father said:
"I saw ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab kissing the Black Stone and he then said,(to it)‘Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you,(stone) I WOULD NOT HAVE KISSED YOU.’" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 26, Number 679)

How amusing that Umar basically echoes the words of Sura 21:66! Hence, not only was Muhammad acting inconsistently but he also committed idolatry!

Since: Dec 12

UK

#156016 Dec 13, 2012
Mahmood wrote:
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People have been rattling the Koran ever since it was put to print and distributed all over the world. According to Ibn Mujahid there were approx 07 qiraats (readings of the Koran) while others claim that there were 14. It wasn't until July 1924 when the Egyptian govt decided to throw all existing Korans into the River Nile and re-edit the whole Koran and that is the Koran which we have in our hands today.
This is quite mind blowing information as I never knew that the quran was only fully edited in 1924. Even muslim sites agree that the original quran of takshent is full of erors.

'Prophet Muhammad was the first to write down the Quran revealed to him and when he died , the whole Quran was completely written, although not in one book, but rather on pieces of woods, papers, palm leaves, bones…
Unlike the claims made by many Muslim scholars, the Mus-hafs that exist today and around the world are not the same as many of them still carry the human errors that were not corrected. They do not match word by word or letter by letter and they are not what God promised to preserve and protect. Even after God revealed to the world the perfect measure to the accuracy of the written Quran in 1974, the majority today refuse to adopt it and for that reasons they actually are refusing the words of God in His own book.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#156017 Dec 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>The new postulate is that a NON-JEWISH Arab named Mohammad becomes the prophet that Moses prophesied in Deuteronomy 18, and not because this is actually true, but because Muslims WANT IT TO BE TRUE.
How a truth is to be proven from the "old scriptures"?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156018 Dec 14, 2012
El Morales wrote:
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This is quite mind blowing information as I never knew that the quran was only fully edited in 1924. Even muslim sites agree that the original quran of takshent is full of erors.
'Prophet Muhammad was the first to write down the Quran revealed to him and when he died , the whole Quran was completely written, although not in one book, but rather on pieces of woods, papers, palm leaves, bones…
Unlike the claims made by many Muslim scholars, the Mus-hafs that exist today and around the world are not the same as many of them still carry the human errors that were not corrected. They do not match word by word or letter by letter and they are not what God promised to preserve and protect. Even after God revealed to the world the perfect measure to the accuracy of the written Quran in 1974, the majority today refuse to adopt it and for that reasons they actually are refusing the words of God in His own book.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php...
lol...
You really are a twat!!
Those who recited the Quran by heart have been there just a "few" years before 1924!!!!
Using your crazy logic, their recitals should be different!
Doesn't work MORONIS.
You are obviously a south asian boy..or if you wish to defend the Gospels why not be a man and come forward to compare Quran and Gospels or even your vedas!
Mr moronis cuts pastes without any theological education!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156020 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
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And now you have presumably found God in Islam, or at least what you think is the "Real McCoy."
How does it set with you that the "Will of God in Islam" mandates circumambulating the Magic Cube of Mecca seven times in a counterclockwise fashion, that is, if one can afford the trip?
hello ignorant village idiot....

You ought to try it sometime for your clogged up cardio vascular system!

How about promoting a better version of worship for us?

Why don't you tell us how good your non-gentile butt worship is!

You are quick to insult Islam but you have failed miserably to come up with a credible alternative and therefore you continue to be THE ignorant village idiot!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#156021 Dec 14, 2012
Buford wrote:
Why did Mohammad kiss the Black Stone, that pre-islamic idol, and enshrine it in the Magic Cube?
Why did he kiss a baby and why did he kiss his elders, his loved ones?
Did he worship them?

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