Who Is Allah?

There are 20 comments on the Aug 24, 2007, The Brussels Journal story titled Who Is Allah?. In it, The Brussels Journal reports that:

“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

From the desk of Soeren Kern on Fri, 2007-08-24 11:56 Europeans love to mock the salience of religion in American society. via The Brussels Journal

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#152648 Oct 12, 2012
The Arabs at that time used to memorize very long poems. All these poems exist in the present Arabic literature. So it was not difficult for the Arabs to memorize a very long text by heart. Also the fact that millions of present day Muslims know the entire Quran by heart provides an assurance that it was done before. This memorization of the Quran provides a considerable advantage because of the double-checking that occurred when the definitive text was compiled.

The Angel Gabriel made the first Quranic revelation to Muhammad when he was in the cave of Hira in a mountain outside Mecca. He never worshipped any idols, and he used to go to this cave every year on the month of Ramadan (the ninth Arabic month) to meditate and search for the truth. The first verses that were revealed to him were those of Surah 96, Ayah 1-5. The first revelation was as follows:

"Proclaim!(or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who Created. Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful, He Who taught (the use of) the pen, Taught man that which he knew not."

In these first verses, the Quran praises reading, knowledge, and using pens, which explains the Messenger’s concern for recording the Quran in writing. When the revelations became known, he was accused that the Quran was tales of the ancients which he has caused to be written and they were dictated to him, Surah 25, Ayah 5.

The unbelievers treated him as an impostor, and they spread rumors that the established Jewish and Christian communities in Arabia dictated the stories to him! This is in spite of the fact that during many divine revelations he was with his family or his companions, and those fictitious sources never revealed themselves.

All sources agree in stating that whenever a verse of the Quran was revealed, the Prophet called one of his literate companions and dictated it to him, indicating at the same time the exact position of the verse in the fabric of what had already been received. The Prophet Muhammad then asked the scribe to reread to him what had been dictated so that he could correct any inaccuracies. It is a known fact that there were 27 scribes in his following.

The most famous of scribes, Zaid Ibn Thabit and Obayy Ibn Kaab, have recorded their names in history. Another famous tradition tells how every year in the month of Ramadan, the Prophet would recite all the revealed Quran to Gabriel. Also in the month of Ramadan preceding the Prophet’s death, Gabriel had made him recite the Quran twice.

It is a fact that millions of Muslims all over the world recite the Quran in its original Arabic language during the month of Ramadan, following the habit of the Prophet...

Not long after the Prophet’s death (632), his successor Abu Bakr, the first religious head of the Islamic state or Caliph, asked Muhammad’s former head scriber Zaid Ibn Thabit to assemble an official copy; this he did. On Omar’s initiative (the future second Caliph) Zaid Ibn Thabit consulted all the information (those who memorize the Quran, copies of the Book on various materials belonging to individuals) he could assemble, all with the objective of avoiding any possible errors in transcription.

According to the instruction of Abu Bakr, a verse could be accepted only if it was presented at least in two manuscripts and should conform to the memorized version of the commission headed by Zaid Ibn Thabit. A parallel to this conscientious performance does not exist in the case of any other scripture in the history of the world. Thus an extremely faithful copy of the Quran was obtained.

Truthful history states that Caliph Omar, Abu Bakr’s successor in 634, subsequently made a single volume that he preserved and gave on his death to his daughter Hafsah, the Prophet’s widow who was one of the few literate women of her time.(Contd.)

Buford

Hurricane, WV

#152649 Oct 12, 2012
MUQ wrote:
http://www.usislam.org/00hist. htm
History of Truth, The Truth about God and Religions, By:Dr. Adel M. Elsaie, Ph.D. Part-
8.1 Islamic Sources
The two fundamental sources of Islamic doctrine and practice are the Quran and the Sunnah, or the exemplary conduct of Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah.
Bukhari:V5B59N512 "The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive."
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#152650 Oct 12, 2012
Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"

Tabari VIII:178
Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam]."

Exemplary conduct, indeed!

Tabari VIII:181 "The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim."

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#152654 Oct 12, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Wilfully Blind Liar,
Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
For bmz, not every translation says that in verse 6 as you have above and it really requires much attention, as this verse has confused quite a few, and Paul's words have been very often misunderstood. The NIV translation says this: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped," so you see here that Jesus did not consider equality with God something to be grasped. Satan the Devil wanted to make himself equal to God, but Jesus did not. The English Standard Bible says the following: "who, being in the form of God, counted it not a prize to be on an equality with God." Perhaps it is of interest for some to note that many would consider the Messiah to be 'god,' or someone very much like God.(mighty god, according to the prophecy in Isaiah.) The word 'god' does not mean God a trinity, but can refer to mighty spirit persons, as well as human judges and angels.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#152655 Oct 12, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The above verse is a forgery in the Isaiah of the Christians' OT.
According to the Jewish Bible, the Tanakh, the verse is Isaiah 9:5
"For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
So, the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, CALLED his name "the prince of peace".
In short, God called the boy 'the prince of peace'.
Jesus was never called the wondrous adviser. Was never called the mighty God. And he was never called the everlasting Father.
That verse has been distorted and butchered to provide misinformation and is a complete lie.
Notice that mighty God does not mean Almighty God. Yes, the words God, and god, mighty and almighty can mean various things. Hope all is well, bmz.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#152656 Oct 12, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me do your post in short bites.
Nobody called Jesus, Immanuel. Joseph was told to name the child Jesus. Right?
We have a friend, whose name is Immanuel but he is not God with us.
The verse that you quoted has nothing to do with Mary and Jesus. It was about Isaiah's son and a past event.
The initial fulfillment certainly seems to refer to someone other than Jesus, and most historians take it that way. I won't get into the intricacies of this verse now. However, most do take this as a prophetic utterance, and referring later to the virgin Mary conceiving, although the word was used from the Septuagint referring to almah, or maiden, and translated more than once from Greek to Hebrew and so forth. Assuming there was a child named Immanuel in Isaiah's time, obviously the child was not God. But the name, or word Immanuel means "God with us," as you correctly stated. But notice that in Isaiah 8, the same term Immanuel is used, and then in verse 10 it aptly says that God is with us. Meaning that they had the support of God.(Isaiah 8:10 - "Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand,
for God is with us.") Obviously this does not mean that a human was God, or God the person/trinity was there in the flesh as God to be worshipped with them, but clearly that God was on their side, supporting them.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#152657 Oct 12, 2012
RAJ wrote:
Salaamz MUQ, & salutations. pardon my intrusion but I believe you to be in error.

Jesus (pbuh) was a rabbi, only those of the rabbinical order were allowed to read from the holy books. However! everything He preached, taught, and practiced, could easily put Him into the submitters category of Islam.

For truly there are many submitters out there that are unaware that they are muslims! What say you, O knowledgeable One? Cheerz.
Ans.

Thank you brother RAJ and Salaam to you also.

Jesus could be called as a rabbi in its most general terms. But he was far above the Traditional Jewish Rabbi; he was a Mighty Messenger of God and the Last one from the Isaac Branch of Abraham’s progeny.

He was the Last Chance for lost sheep of house of Israel to come home and rejoin in the Mercy of God.

Yes he was a “Submitter” to God’s will in its most perfect sense. He was an Ideal Muslim, far, far above the “conventional Muslims” of these days.

Yes I know there are many submitters amongst jews and Christians, they are Muslims by heart, but they are ignorant and do not fully understand the message of Last and Final prophet of God.

Whenever they come to know and understand the true message of Islam, they show least resistance in accepting it.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#152666 Oct 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>
What a STUPID question!
It was a great question, which you did not answer.

I had written this, when I had dismissed you earlier. Read it again!

" "Kill! Kill! Kill!" is a great slogan that comes from the US Marines' Military Manual. A US marine confirmed that. Right?

Tabari and Ibn Ishaq were story tellers. Both were ignorant fools, who compiled tales from all sides.

Now, let me address this absurd quote from the ignorant fool Tabari, which you brought up:

"Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"

All the Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Qaynuqa, who fell under the power of Muslims, wanted to go into exile. They were allowed to go into exile. Even Tabari, the TC (Tale collector) confirms that.

How come all of them were not killed?

Dismissed!"

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#152667 Oct 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>idiot,
If Jesus had been a murderer like your "apostle," then maybe "his mission would not have flopped."
I have written this before that Jesus was not sent to pagans or fierce pagan tribes.

The man was not persecuted and neither were his followers. All of them were free to move.

Nobody attacked Jesus and his followers. And they were not kicked out.

Yet the man failed. The people to whom he was sent, rejected him. His mission flopped and he was recalled.

End of the story.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#152668 Oct 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Wilfully Blind Liar,
Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
The silent majority of the international readers have really judged you well. My hat off to them.

Philippians 2 is a forgery and bullshit.

Why do I have to take that man's stupid opinion seriously? Why should I believe it when the man, who wrote it, never sat in the company of Jesus and there is no support from Jesus on his absurd note?

The LORD already had said "You shall have no other gods before me."

Get me an epistle from Jesus himself. I think he was schooled.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#152669 Oct 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"
Tabari VIII:178
Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's one and only scribe]. The reason that Allah's Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized [rejected Islam]."
Exemplary conduct, indeed!
Tabari VIII:181 "The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim."
How nice, if Tabari had re-written the New Testament!

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152670 Oct 13, 2012
birdiesfouris wrote:
<quoted text> If you were the real Christ you would not be on topix >.>
The real Christ can be in any forum he is welcome to speak in, you can also find me at armageddononline.org posting as Jake99.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152671 Oct 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I have written this before that Jesus was not sent to pagans or fierce pagan tribes.
The man was not persecuted and neither were his followers. All of them were free to move.
Nobody attacked Jesus and his followers. And they were not kicked out.
Yet the man failed. The people to whom he was sent, rejected him. His mission flopped and he was recalled.
End of the story.
Thats pretty much correct, I do the attacking in US courts of law where I am protected by laws that allow me to back my enemies into legal corners they cannot get out of. Everyone has rejected me so far but that does not stop me and the courts have had their hands tied to where they cannot stop me. Jesus was a failure, taught nothing of value and is considered to be a magician not a real leader of better ways. The ways I have taught and led are of extreme value way beyond that of any other man in all of time. I am the king of the daily bread and baked goods industry among other things to long to list.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152672 Oct 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Christ Jake,
The American Pharisees and the American Sadducees know that you are from above. They are from below.
Alex and I have plans to introduce you and to bring you out in the open. However, we will not show you to the hardcore trinitarians in the Bible Belt of the US.
You will reveal to the people in Hyde Park, London.
I would be happy to speak anywhere but I find it unlikely that the UK would allow me into their country considering my arrest record.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152673 Oct 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Christ Jake
It is time that you come out in the open and declare.
I consider this statement from you, Quote of the Day: "
The Bible can easilly lead people off course if interpreted the way it is taught rather than the way it was meant. Stick to the fundamentals and directives and it makes perfect sense but no religion teaches the holy books properly or mankind would not act as they do."
The Church pariahs have indeed misinformed and misled Christians.
Thanks for the good observation.
BMZ
Thank you for the compliment. The Christians are as far from being like Jesus or me as they could possibly get because they cherry pick the Bible to mean what they want it to mean which in most cases makes no sense at all. I see a world full of money-changers, sellers, soldiers etc and my system permanently eliminates all those professions. I am a multiplier, give me a little and I will return it to you ten fold.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152674 Oct 13, 2012
jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
SHUT UP! YOU CAN'T FOOL ME.
I know that God doesn't just belong to Jews! He chose that race to reveal Himself (probably because He knew it would always be a persecuted race of people) AND I KNOW THAT ALL LAND IS HIS and Churches are simply areas set aside to worship Him!
If you are really Jesus, you'd be fully aware of the gift you gave me. Tell me what is it? Can I speak in a special toungue?
The question is can you understnd me when I speak about solutions to mankinds problems that you have never heard or even considered before?

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152675 Oct 13, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Please supply a link a court docket to one of your cases, or kindly and quietly just take your meds.
It will take me a couple days to supply you with that information, my hard drive crashed last week and I will have to scan some docs and put them on photobucket. I dont take any meds and I am certified by many of the best mental health specialists in the USA as being perfectly sane.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152676 Oct 13, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>At last you've found your No Nails Christ! Serve him well and he might give you a seat at his right or left in his kingdom, but I doubt that "voluptuous full-breasted maidens of equal age" are part of the rewards package...
Many attempts have been made to legally crucify me but I am way smarter than the judges and lawyers who have attempted that. I did get convicted by a jury but the judge had no choice but to immediatly set aside those verdicts claiming that no reasonable trier of fact could have convicted me of any crime. And that was after I testified that I did everything they said I did and more of the same and look forward to doing similar things again which I have continued to do.

My x wife was gorgeous and had one of the best bodies on the earth and her breasts were as voluptuous as they get. What I will promise is that in the new world all humans will become as healthy as possible once they are eating and excercising properly.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152677 Oct 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Jake sounds like Jesus Christ and has a very sharp tongue. So far, I have not seen him sending curses and woes to people.
And he talks about the true kingdom of God and does not claim to be God. And this man is more coherent than the biblical Jesus.
Jake has not promised voluptuous full-breasted maidens of equal age as part of the rewards package. Jesus died without enjoying any voluptuous full-breasted maiden but I believe Christ Jake has.
I am not here to curse people, I am here to help them understand how far off course they have been and give then new direction that will lead to everlasting peace and prosperity on earth. My life has been as blessed with the things of this world as you can get and yet even I am not satisfied with what I have had. What I will promise you is that you will be kind hearted and so will the women be so choose wisely who you sleep with since there will be plenty of good mates to choose from.

“King of Kings”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible belt

#152678 Oct 13, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
"Kill! Kill! Kill!" is a great slogan that comes from the US Marines' Military Manual. A US marine confirmed that. Right?
I am an x Marine whose performance was so good that many recommended me to be the next Commandant at the age of 20. I was one of the first to be chosen to work on AV8A Harriers and acted as the supervisor of the ordnance and arming department for 3 squadrons. I stand against war machines but the Marines sure helped me to be tough enough to stand against anyone and I thank them for that. They did attempt to court marshal me twice for communicating threats but they lost both times.

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