Islam is the BEST religion, with the WORST followers, George Bernard Shaw

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May 29, 2010
 
Yusuf wrote:
I don't know one Islamic country where women don't work.
your lack of knowledge does not become your argument
Yusuf wrote:
I don't think you can find me one honest passage in the Quran where women are told not to work.
you are context hungry muslim..so here's a a context of what makes muslim woman dumb

Abu Dawud
Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:
The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind."
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engag...
Yusuf wrote:
Sure, the ratio of men to women in the work force is less than in developed countries but i think you'll find that that is the same in all developing nations regardless of religion.
the developing nations are bridging the workforce gender divide as they progress..contrast this with muslim countries(or ghettos)..

Iran banned women from working in many verticals..an Indian darul-ul-loony issued a fatwa against working women...and the reason??????....ISLAM DOES NOT PERMIT !

who are you kidding Mr. apologist...if islam is taken away from iran..at least women will have equal rights as men ..that constitutes half of the potential workforce
Yusuf wrote:
The idea that half the population are treated as property and objects is just plain wrong. Poverty in Islamic countries today is not because of Islam.
It is ..and had it not been for oil , all islamic countries would have been poor and strife-ridden
Yusuf wrote:
If thats the case than what is poverty in India, China, Christian parts of Africa the cause of?
The problem with India and China is Population..Africa is infested with islam ..

but you fail to recognize a simple thing ..India, China (or the BRIC nations) are poised to become developed nations in 20 years time..while Islamic countries are retrogressing and some may become extinct in the next 20 years
Yusuf wrote:
There are highly developed Islamic nations as well btw, Malaysia for one, turkey, UAE. How do you explain that? But regardless of
Malaysia thrives on Saudi money ..which again survives because of petro dollars.

their oil resources would vanish in the next 100 years ..and they'll be back to their old ways ..camels and tents

if the kafir would not have discovered petroleum..the Kaaba would have still been a hut with a plam-leaf roof.

Turkey has promised not to follow the dumb islamic laws ..it wants progress(though some radicals spring out every now and then) and a proud place in the EU..and it's done the obvious ..shun islam's 7th century dictacts!
Yusuf wrote:
what i just said..you claim that is Muslims shun Islam today, than they will progress rapidly. I challenge you to rationally explain to me how, what will change? If they shun Islam, will the Jews give the Palestinians back their homeland? Will America leave Iraq, Will the starving Muslim children in Africa suddenly have food?
I never said islam is the only problem ..it's just that it's the BIGGEST !

leave it first to open the doors of progress
Yusuf wrote:
Anyways, i haven’t had any constructive arguments on this forum as of yet, most people who have responded, atheist included have simply gone on an unsubstantiated hate rant on the religion. I invite someone out there, to with logic and fact, explain to me, how it is Islam, not poverty, living standards, economic and social conditions that have led to terrorism.
Strawman!

are any of the other non-islamic poor nationals blowing themselves up across the globe? NO!

why does it take a muslim to blow up times square forventing his anger against his poverty, living standards, economic and social conditions??
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Yusuf wrote:
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Izlam=Nazism?? Are you for real? Like..did you just declare that Hitler a staunch christian, who killed jews and even what little muslims there were in germany during as reign was a supporter of islam? OR are your simply trying to suggest the Islam is a derivertive for Nazism? Either way your horibly wrong.
As for Shaw, i simply support the quote and believe it to be true, i didn't post it because i supported the man or his ideals. On that note however, someone who is a socialist does not necessarily support tyrants. Thats like saying every German in WW2 supported Hitlers policiys, or ever Russian or Italian, Stalin or Mussolini's.
Get real. If your going to argue against me, actually use substaintated fact.
Hitler was more a worshipper of the Norse gods than Christianity.He was a follower of Nietzsche and believed Christianity to be a slave religion. It was Christians who gought against nazism. No muslim country fought against Nazism. And the handschar division of the Waffen SS was constituted of entirely muslims recruited by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
The protocols of Zion and Mein kampf are best sellers in many muslim countries. The Muslim brotherhood and the Baath Party were based on Nazi ideals and muslims used to have a song that went

'No more monsieur, no more Mister
In Heaven Allah. On Earth Hitler'

The Izlamic god approves of racism, slavery, murder, homophobia, mispgyny, discrimination, wife beating, death for apostates and horrendous torture for people who disobey.

So yes Izlam=Nazism. Substantiated by facts.
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And the Christians are merely Jews converted.
Muhammad wanted to be a continuation of the jewish prophetes. he adopted all the rituals of Judaism. He even prayed towards jerusalem. The Jews rejected him.
Muslims are merely rejected Jews.

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Yusuf wrote:
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Poverty in Islamic countries today is not because of Islam. If thats the case than what is poverty in India, China, Christian parts of Africa the cause of? There are highly developed Islamic nations as well btw, Malaysia for one, turkey, UAE. How do you explain that? But regardless of what i just said..you claim that is Muslims shun Islam today, than they will progress rapidly. I challenge you to rationally explain to me how, what will change? If they shun Islam, will the Jews give the Palestinians back their homeland? Will America leave Iraq, Will the starving Muslim children in Africa suddenly have food?
Hi Yusuf,

Malaysia is well off due to its tremendous resources-timber, rubber, palm oil, oil, still is significantly less wealthy than its resource poor neighbour Chinese majority Singapore. Most important, Malaysia is developed & welathy due to the energy & initiative of the Chinese minority, who create all the wealth, the Malay Muslims are the poorest, although the Government has many policies in their favor.

Turkey is a European nation, & is significantly poorer than most nations of Europe.In terms of literacy, infant mortality, ill treatment of women, it ranks as one of the worst in Europe.Turks frequently immigrate to other, wealthier nations in Europe like Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland etc.

UAE's population is majority expat, many are non Muslim expats, or the best educated people from Islamic nations. Alos, UAE has huge oil reserves.

Why should Jews give Palestinians their "homeland"? Will you Muslims give back all the lands you stole from non Muslims?Will Iran take back all the Zoroastrians from India?Will Lahore in Pakistan take back all the Sikhs it drove out to build a Muslim nation? Does Turkey even acknowledge the Armenian Holocaust?

All the other people-Armenians, Sikhs, Zoroastrians,etc have rebuilt their lives from scratch, Palestinians & Arab Muslims have refused to move on & resprted to suicide bombings & hatred of non Muslims.
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Islam is the worst religion followed by even more worse radicals.
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Apr 18, 2011
 
Rima Fauzi wrote:
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Hi Yusuf,
Malaysia is well off due to its tremendous resources-timber, rubber, palm oil, oil, still is significantly less wealthy than its resource poor neighbour Chinese majority Singapore. Most important, Malaysia is developed & welathy due to the energy & initiative of the Chinese minority, who create all the wealth, the Malay Muslims are the poorest, although the Government has many policies in their favor.
Turkey is a European nation, & is significantly poorer than most nations of Europe.In terms of literacy, infant mortality, ill treatment of women, it ranks as one of the worst in Europe.Turks frequently immigrate to other, wealthier nations in Europe like Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland etc.
UAE's population is majority expat, many are non Muslim expats, or the best educated people from Islamic nations. Alos, UAE has huge oil reserves.
Why should Jews give Palestinians their "homeland"? Will you Muslims give back all the lands you stole from non Muslims?Will Iran take back all the Zoroastrians from India?Will Lahore in Pakistan take back all the Sikhs it drove out to build a Muslim nation? Does Turkey even acknowledge the Armenian Holocaust?
All the other people-Armenians, Sikhs, Zoroastrians,etc have rebuilt their lives from scratch, Palestinians & Arab Muslims have refused to move on & resprted to suicide bombings & hatred of non Muslims.
Splendid words! The best would be.. if Zoroastrian have their home again. It would be wonderful! Iran will have their former glory! If Iran still infidel and Zionist, they will become nation with dignity!!!

Today Iran are the antithesis of ancient Iran. Iran of the past are Zionist that protect Jew from Roman Christendom. Thank to Iran, Jew can survive from Megalomaniac Christendom.

Arab Jew are exterminated by Muham-(mad!), because Roman Christendom weakening ancient Iran power.
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christopher sandy wrote:
Islam is the worst religion followed by even more worse radicals.
Yes! Nice Muslim is not devoted Muslim. If Muslim behave polite and nice, it's not because Islam is good. It because his humanity value win over his Islam value

The true follower of Islam is Omar Mulah and Khomeini. Their Islam value win over Their humanity value.
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May 4, 2011
 
i think Islam is worst religion with best followers
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Jessica wrote:
How can it possibly be the best religion. A religion that advocates flogging, curtting off hands, indiscriminate murder, racism, wife beating, homophobia, rape & slavery is the pits. And the pits is where every muslim is going. In this life and in the hereafter.
Islam - according to The Qur'an - does not advocate sin.
We have no cutting off the hands of thieves,(chapter 12)
we have no wife beating (provide evidence!), nor racism (provide evidence!), we are allowed to marry even Jews and christians.5:5.

There is no homophobia, we just leave them alone.
Rape and slavery is PROHIBITED in Islam, according to The Qur'an.

In FACT, I'd much rather marry an African woman or Chinese woman then a white woman. I don't hate homosexuals and I just think they're wrong and should think.

If you steal my wallet, you will return it, according to The Qur'an, chapter 12.

First you need to provide EVIDENCE FROM THE QUR'AN. Then we can take it from there and tlak about it. Maybe we'll end up comparing Islam according to The Qur'an, what you you think Islam is and The Qur'an and of course what we see on TV and naturally what witnesses from Middle East can tell us. I know a few.
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Yes! Nice Muslim is not devoted Muslim. If Muslim behave polite and nice, it's not because Islam is good. It because his humanity value win over his Islam value
The true follower of Islam is Omar Mulah and Khomeini. Their Islam value win over Their humanity value.
Islam is all about using the brains (17:36), it's all about Logic and common sense, just use your brains as told in chapter 17, verse 36.

“Get a life Creepy Tom. ”

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<quoted text>Islam is all about using the brains (17:36), it's all about Logic and common sense, just use your brains as told in chapter 17, verse 36.
Using your brains??? Islam is all about shutting your brain off. Once again, alen looks like you're continuing your art of deception. Lets see how the quran lets you use your brain.

Qur'an 3:19 "Lo! religion with Allah is Surrender."
Not choice. Just surrender.

Qur'an 8:24 "O Believers! Answer Allah and His Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life martyrdom.... So when Muhammad or now today clerics ask you to kill yourself, Just obey! Don't think, just do.

Qur'an 4:80 "He who obeys the Messenger obeys Allah."
So no matter what Muhammad wanted, if you didn't agree, Guess what.... His god coincidently was upset with you.

Qur'an 33:36 "It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option. If any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a wrong Path."

Decided for you. No choice, No Option. How is that using your brain when "the matter has been decided for you?"

Qur'an 47:21 "Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech after a matter had been determined for them, it would have been better."

"After it has been determined for them" Again, how is that using their brain?

Qur'an 47:33 "Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace."

Qur'an 4:114 "He who disobeys the Apostle after orders have been revealed will burn in Hell."

I can just hear Moe as he stood there shaking his fist "Obey me, or you will burn in hell"

Qur'an 9:53 "Say:'Pay your contribution for the Cause willingly or unwillingly.'"
Just shut up and pay.

Qur'an 5:92 "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and beware!"
Do you not find it intersting how "Allah" has to keep repeating over and over for people to obey Moe? Is it any wonder how many people were screaming BS when Moe spoke?

Qur'an 48:10 "Verily those who swear allegiance to you (Muhammad), indeed swear their allegiance to Allah." Yeah becasue moe made up have the crap he spoke as he went along. remember him shaking his fist, "obey me or my god will get you!!"

Qur'an 56:57 "It is We Who have created you: admit the truth and then surrender." We?? Suddenly allah becomes plural. Who is we allah? You and Moe perhaps? But non-the-less, surrender!

Qur'an 58:46 "Obey Allah and His Messenger; and do not dispute!" Another one

Qur'an 64:12 "So obey Allah, and obey His Messenger Muhammad."
Yet another one. Was Moe this insecure?

Qur'an 4:64 "We sent a messenger to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah." Yet another one.

And the Icing on the cake,--
Qur'an 4:115 "If anyone opposes the Messenger after orders have been conveyed to him, and follows a path other than the way, We shall burn him in Hell!"

Notice, "If they oppose the messanger," Not if they appose allah. Moe. So here is proof Moe was insecure, and a pathetic liar.
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Atheist wrote:
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appeal to authority is the weakest of arguments..indeed, it's a logical fallacy
so let's spare Shaw and see if you know anything about Islam or not
<quoted text>
how does this sound for a change?
Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 5
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the 'Muslims' wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura: 8 [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)] Verse: 12
I will throw fear into the hearts of 'Muslims'. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 28
O ye who believe! The 'Muslims' only are unclean
Sura: 5 [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)] Verse:51
O ye who believe! Take not the 'Muslims' for friends
Sura: 4 [AN-NISA (WOMEN)] Verse:34
As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them
Sura:9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse:123
O ye who believe! Fight 'Muslims' who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you
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Muslims are poor,illiterate and backward BECAUSE OF ISLAM
Quran & Hadit are the instruction manual for the robotic muslim mind
Allah tells you to marry four wives create countless babies and you wonder why muslims are in general poor??!!
Your role model (the perfect man Muhammad) is himself illiterate..and every devout muslim follows his footsteps even in this century ..THAT is what keeps muslims backward
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Who gave you the impression that the imams are highly educated ..these zombies would fail a kindergarten exam of a secular school
and don't try to bring 'education (lack of)' as an excuse for terrorism
the neo-terrorist is a devout educated muslim well settled and has a family too.don't you read the newspapers at the madarsa?
<quoted text>
Islam is a major contributor to the retrogression of the muslims.
half of their population(women) are treated as property and objects..rendering them unproductive and useless to society.
Islam got into other lands through conquests and look at the state of muslims today ..despite the evil jump-start (of looting other peoples wealth & property)..they couldn't march ahead
the thing that keeps them behind is ISLAM ..if they shun it today ..i bet you'd see progress by leaps and bounds ..they are right now 14 centuries behind
What?!?!?!?!? those verses are misquoted, unfortunately will never work to mislead most of us mate
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Atheist wrote:
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appeal to authority is the weakest of arguments..indeed, it's a logical fallacy
so let's spare Shaw and see if you know anything about Islam or not
<quoted text>
how does this sound for a change?
Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 5
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the 'Muslims' wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Sura: 8 [AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)] Verse: 12
I will throw fear into the hearts of 'Muslims'. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
Sura: 9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse: 28
O ye who believe! The 'Muslims' only are unclean
Sura: 5 [AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD)] Verse:51
O ye who believe! Take not the 'Muslims' for friends
Sura: 4 [AN-NISA (WOMEN)] Verse:34
As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them
Sura:9 [AL-TAWBA (REPENTANCE, DISPENSATION)] Verse:123
O ye who believe! Fight 'Muslims' who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you
<quoted text>
Muslims are poor,illiterate and backward BECAUSE OF ISLAM
Quran & Hadit are the instruction manual for the robotic muslim mind
Allah tells you to marry four wives create countless babies and you wonder why muslims are in general poor??!!
Your role model (the perfect man Muhammad) is himself illiterate..and every devout muslim follows his footsteps even in this century ..THAT is what keeps muslims backward
<quoted text>
Who gave you the impression that the imams are highly educated ..these zombies would fail a kindergarten exam of a secular school
and don't try to bring 'education (lack of)' as an excuse for terrorism
the neo-terrorist is a devout educated muslim well settled and has a family too.don't you read the newspapers at the madarsa?
<quoted text>
Islam is a major contributor to the retrogression of the muslims.
half of their population(women) are treated as property and objects..rendering them unproductive and useless to society.
Islam got into other lands through conquests and look at the state of muslims today ..despite the evil jump-start (of looting other peoples wealth & property)..they couldn't march ahead
the thing that keeps them behind is ISLAM ..if they shun it today ..i bet you'd see progress by leaps and bounds ..they are right now 14 centuries behind
Dear Atheist
If you are readings things out of context, bits from here bytes from there then nobody can help you. What you need is patience to read the whole Quran with an understanding. Get some good Quranic explanation ( called Tafsir) then you will get correct understanding what Quran implies. As for the start, I would suggest avoid direct translation. As Quran is written in poetic form you would either need to learn Arabic or read some authentic Tafisr to gauge the correct understanding. Till then please stop quoting things about Islam and Quran. As you don't know what are you doing..so please read the authentic Tafsir like Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi or Ibn Kathir or as you may like.
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Yusuf your observations are just like oft repeated apologies, far away from facts. You say that poor muslims due to their socioeconomic conditions take up terrorism, facts indicate otherwise. The underpant bomber, faisal shehjad, London tube bombers, yerusalam suicide bombers from London and many more like them were not poor but from well of middle class families. OBL, Jawahiri, Awlaki were rich people.
You say economic condition has to do with liberation of women. Going by your logic Saudi women should be the most liberated muslim women but reality is just opposite. On the contrary muslim women in worlds 2 most poor countries Bangladesh and Pakistan are relatively more liberated than the Saudi women.
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Islam is the best religion- there is no doubt about it. It's the most misunderstood religion in the world. Islam means peace. Islam doesn't tolerate violence, rape, terrorism!! It's all from the media. It's the fastest growing religion and so.. the media wants to stop that. Before actually saying things about islam- find the actual sources. Thare are over a billion muslims around the world, you cannot judge islam by few of them. Actually thereare not even muslim since they are disobeying Allah.People should actually know islam and should stop judging by the muslims. I cannot believe that there are thousands of prooves that islam is the truth and people are negelecting it. If only they knew what was to comne for them in the hereafter. ISLAM IS THE TRUTH SO IT WILL SURELY RISE IN THE FUTURE. iF ISLAM WASN'T THE TRUTH THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE 1.5 BILLION MUSLIM AROUND THE WORLD!!!
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Jessica wrote:
How can it possibly be the best religion. A religion that advocates flogging, curtting off hands, indiscriminate murder, racism, wife beating, homophobia, rape & slavery is the pits. And the pits is where every muslim is going. In this life and in the hereafter.
. Jessica so tell me who is ur god?....n plz tell me where in the bible does it say that jesus(p.b.u.h) is the son of god??????? N where does in the bible. Does it say that god has a son??????
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Am a. Muslim girl and I believe that is islam is 100% the best religion..becoz it does not allow alcohol drugs etc....and where exactly does it say jesus(p.b.u.h) was the son of god?????
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asiya wrote:
Am a. Muslim girl and I believe that is islam is 100% the best religion..becoz it does not allow alcohol drugs etc....and where exactly does it say jesus(p.b.u.h) was the son of god?????
Do you believe wife beating is OK.
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What is that saying about classifying a tree by its fruit?

“Get a life Creepy Tom. ”

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Am a. Muslim girl and I believe that is islam is 100% the best religion..becoz it does not allow alcohol drugs etc....and where exactly does it say jesus(p.b.u.h) was the son of god?????
Interesting, you claim that islam doesn't allow alcohol and drugs etc.... but what's your reward in allah's heaven? Rivers of flowing wine, booze, babes and homosexual sex with boys who are beautiful as pearls.

Oh wait... Never mind. You're a woman, there is no reward or heaven for muslim women. Men only. My bad. Still think it's the best religion when you're entire life you're in a religious prison, subjected to being controlled, beaten, and have zero rights as a human being? Still think it's the best when you have zero chance of heaven? Wake up.

""and where exactly does it say jesus(p.b.u.h) was the son of god?????"" God himself said it.

Mathew 3:17 And a voice from heaven said, "This is my dear Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

So if God himself said it, who are you to question it?

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