Brunei introduces death by stoning, c...

Brunei introduces death by stoning, cutting off limbs, and other...

There are 528 comments on the The Standard story from Oct 21, 2013, titled Brunei introduces death by stoning, cutting off limbs, and other.... In it, The Standard reports that:

The Sultan of Brunei announced the phased introduction of tough Islamic punishments including death by stoning for crimes such as adultery, in the monarchy's latest step towards conservatism.

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Bruneian on street

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#309 Oct 29, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
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The forum is about the barbarism that is about to be inflicted on Brunei by its despotic sultan.
There's a lot of empty rhetoric and bluster but no one yet has the muster to try and defend the brutal murder by stoning for adultery or blasphemy. It may be because it can never be justified. But someone should tell the sultan,or send him a book on ethics. He won't find any in the koran.
Dear friend,

Our Sultan is far from what you have imagined in your head. There is no one murdered and killed in Brunei.

It is very hard to explain to non-muslim as it is hard to explain it to the new and younger generation in Brunei.

But this is for the best for our people as we believe that it will bring good changes and help to solve the increasing criminal activities in the country.

Dear friend, Sharia Law is not as simple and evil as u have thought, it demands due process of equitable checks and balances, so rigid, so involved, so meticulous, no mistakes because Muslims apply this Law so that injustice is not committed by us.

Syariah Law is not about “chop, stone first and then ask question”. It is not a wild life style execution:“shot first and justify later”.

It is preventive in nature to prevent socio-economic-religious self-destruction of individuals and society in this transient world.

For the muslims Sharia Law is not merely just a law it is a way of dealing with thing in everyday life.

We as a muslim here embrace the practice of life, therefore abide to the law.

We Bruneians have a great respect for other religion to be practiced in the country too and in that sense we all must have respect for other religion too.
Bruneian on street

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#310 Oct 30, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
How will Brunei go about stoning their citizens to death?
Will they have a crowd of murderous thugs specially trained in stoning?
Or will they take the condemned to the local square and have all the twisted and morally bankrupt civilians to do it?
Maybe they've got a mechanical stone throwing machine so the sultan can just throw a switch and murder his own citizens himself. The perfect accessory for despotic islamic autocrats with a thirst for torturous brutality. Oh,how Vlad the Impaler would have treasured such a device.
Dear friend,

If you want to know the answer. No one really knows. Brunei is a very small country with only 400,000 population, basically each bruneians are somehow related to one another very closely. It is a very small community. Everyone knows each other.

And i tell u what, i have no idea who would carry out the execution. I dont want to find out, but one thing for sure, things are quite and peace at the moment, we no longer see kids and punks hanging out at the malls until late night, no sight of people drinking while driving and stuff.

I guess Sharia Law had a great positive impact even before its fully implemented in six months time. Isn't that a great thing?

I have nothing to fear about the law. and so do the rest of my muslim brothers and sisters. We have nothing be worried about.
Bruneian on street

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#311 Oct 30, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
have they figured out how the law should apply when such "sin" is committed between a muslim and a non-muslim? Lets say, a non-muslim steals from a muslim or vice-versa... Or adultery done between a muslim and non-muslim?
Dear Friend,
It is simple, let me answer your question. Islam never forced religion on people. This is what happened when non-muslim steals from muslim. In this case the non-muslim will be punished according to civil law- paying fines or imprisonment.
While if the muslim stealing from non-muslim, they will be pardoned for the first time. They will be given help if they are poor, but if they still stealing, they will be considered for the punishment according to the sharia law.
Anti semitic

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#312 Oct 30, 2013
Bruneian on street wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear friend,
Our Sultan is far from what you have imagined in your head. There is no one murdered and killed in Brunei.
It is very hard to explain to non-muslim as it is hard to explain it to the new and younger generation in Brunei.
But this is for the best for our people as we believe that it will bring good changes and help to solve the increasing criminal activities in the country.
Dear friend, Sharia Law is not as simple and evil as u have thought, it demands due process of equitable checks and balances, so rigid, so involved, so meticulous, no mistakes because Muslims apply this Law so that injustice is not committed by us.
Syariah Law is not about “chop, stone first and then ask question”. It is not a wild life style execution:“shot first and justify later”.
It is preventive in nature to prevent socio-economic-religious self-destruction of individuals and society in this transient world.
For the muslims Sharia Law is not merely just a law it is a way of dealing with thing in everyday life.
We as a muslim here embrace the practice of life, therefore abide to the law.
We Bruneians have a great respect for other religion to be practiced in the country too and in that sense we all must have respect for other religion too.
well done bro !!! Great explanation. I give up trying to explain to infidels . Westerners r like that they never learn.
tailor of Lao Tsu

Redwood City, CA

#313 Oct 30, 2013
usa hollywood actor wrote:
sharia law introduce in brunei, for muslims only. For non muslims they will be judge by civil law. Try to understand sharia law first. Before talking of stonning or cutting hands.
To a civilized individual a person is a human being with inalienable rights first, and any religious preferences are always secondary.

Killing people by throwing rocks at them and Cutting off people's hands is not civilized anymore than cutting out people's hearts and presenting them tenderly to the Aztec gods is civilized.

This holds true for everyone. It doesn't matter what their religion is.

All organized religions that claim to be the only true religion with the only true god, and are willing to kill themselves and others to prove it, need to be stamped out as the evil disease that they truly are.

The people trapped in these insane religions need to be set free of this madness for their own sake as individuals as well as for the sake of humanity.

No loss of life in this NEW REVOLUTION, only the loss of a crippling delusion that has held humanity back for thousands of years!

A REVOLUTION of LOVE, throwing off the chains of all false patriarchal pyramidal religions based on hate and fear!

WOW! ALL THIS AND i HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED MY MORNING COFFEE YET!
Its midnight in brunei

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#314 Oct 30, 2013
tailor of Lao Tsu wrote:
<quoted text>
To a civilized individual a person is a human being with inalienable rights first, and any religious preferences are always secondary.
Killing people by throwing rocks at them and Cutting off people's hands is not civilized anymore than cutting out people's hearts and presenting them tenderly to the Aztec gods is civilized.
This holds true for everyone. It doesn't matter what their religion is.
All organized religions that claim to be the only true religion with the only true god, and are willing to kill themselves and others to prove it, need to be stamped out as the evil disease that they truly are.
The people trapped in these insane religions need to be set free of this madness for their own sake as individuals as well as for the sake of humanity.
No loss of life in this NEW REVOLUTION, only the loss of a crippling delusion that has held humanity back for thousands of years!
A REVOLUTION of LOVE, throwing off the chains of all false patriarchal pyramidal religions based on hate and fear!
WOW! ALL THIS AND i HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED MY MORNING COFFEE YET!
Religion does not kill people. Only punishment can kill. To be civilized people need religion. To be religious everyday. Yes to be religious is not just when we muslim pray 5 times a day. Or when the christians went to the church to pray. Religion is our way of life. Without harsh punishment, people will always repeat the criminals activities such as Stealing, rape, killing and molesting. Hard punishment can teach people for not to doing crime. When people are not stealing, killing, molesting or rape, everywhere we go we will feel very safe. When people not having sex with everybody before marriage, we also can stop the aids and hiv virus. To prevent the couple from killing the newborn baby. People afraid to do criminals activities because of the harsh punishment. Yes the punishment do teach us the way of life. Hard punishment will guide us to the great civilization. Although without sharia law, people will always killing each others in this world.
Anti semitic

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#315 Oct 30, 2013
tailor of Lao Tsu wrote:
<quoted text>
To a civilized individual a person is a human being with inalienable rights first, and any religious preferences are always secondary.
Killing people by throwing rocks at them and Cutting off people's hands is not civilized anymore than cutting out people's hearts and presenting them tenderly to the Aztec gods is civilized.
This holds true for everyone. It doesn't matter what their religion is.
All organized religions that claim to be the only true religion with the only true god, and are willing to kill themselves and others to prove it, need to be stamped out as the evil disease that they truly are.
The people trapped in these insane religions need to be set free of this madness for their own sake as individuals as well as for the sake of humanity.
No loss of life in this NEW REVOLUTION, only the loss of a crippling delusion that has held humanity back for thousands of years!
A REVOLUTION of LOVE, throwing off the chains of all false patriarchal pyramidal religions based on hate and fear!
WOW! ALL THIS AND i HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED MY MORNING COFFEE YET!
are u 5 year old child ??? Life is not as simple as black n white . We r bruneians we follow our king who follows the teaching of Islam. U talk as if u have no faith. For us bruneian to go agaisnt god is blasphemy . Punishment for blaphesmy is death. U r like abby from dance mom always saying what u feel.

In brunei comunity rights outweights individual rights - thats just the way it is. Is how we are brought up.

Why do u have to defend us when we dont need to be defended in the 1st place ???? We do not asked for yr help infidels.

U westerners have your own problems stop being usa police world on us.

We bruneians do not need westerners help. Leave us alone !!!! Orelse we are gonna take legal action and sue u at worlds court!!!! Stupid trolls!!!

Since: Apr 12

San Francisco, CA

#317 Oct 30, 2013
tailor of Lao Tsu wrote:
To a civilized individual a person is a human being with inalienable rights first, and any religious preferences are always secondary.
Killing people by throwing rocks at them and Cutting off people's hands is not civilized anymore than cutting out people's hearts and presenting them tenderly to the Aztec gods is civilized.
This holds true for everyone. It doesn't matter what their religion is.
All organized religions that claim to be the only true religion with the only true god, and are willing to kill themselves and others to prove it, need to be stamped out as the evil disease that they truly are.
The people trapped in these insane religions need to be set free of this madness for their own sake as individuals as well as for the sake of humanity.
No loss of life in this NEW REVOLUTION, only the loss of a crippling delusion that has held humanity back for thousands of years!
A REVOLUTION of LOVE, throwing off the chains of all false patriarchal pyramidal religions based on hate and fear!
WOW! ALL THIS AND i HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED MY MORNING COFFEE YET!
Our ISP is so close... maybe we can discuss Tao Te Ching in the 2nd floor cafe of Barns & Noble Walnut Creek?

Why "tailor of Lao Tsu"?
Atheist Silurist

London, UK

#318 Oct 30, 2013
Bruneian on street wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear friend,
If you want to know the answer. No one really knows. Brunei is a very small country with only 400,000 population, basically each bruneians are somehow related to one another very closely. It is a very small community. Everyone knows each other.
And i tell u what, i have no idea who would carry out the execution. I dont want to find out, but one thing for sure, things are quite and peace at the moment, we no longer see kids and punks hanging out at the malls until late night, no sight of people drinking while driving and stuff.
I guess Sharia Law had a great positive impact even before its fully implemented in six months time. Isn't that a great thing?
I have nothing to fear about the law. and so do the rest of my muslim brothers and sisters. We have nothing be worried about.
Introducing a law that would see people stoned to death is a backward step in anyone's book. A 2000 year backward step.

It just goes to show that some people have a higher moral standard than any "holy" book that would sanction such barbarity.

Threatening people with death by stoning probably would stop most crime in a country that would do it for adultery and blasphemy. blasphemy could mean anything to a muslim.Even drawing a cartoon of mohammad. There are other ways you could stop most crimes. threaten your citizens that they will burn their entire family to death if you so much dare step out of line.

The only defense that can be used to justify stoning for blasphemy and adultery is "because it says so in the koran" And to act on those words is intrinsically wicked.
Atheist Silurist

London, UK

#319 Oct 30, 2013
Its midnight in brunei wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion does not kill people. Only punishment can kill. To be civilized people need religion. To be religious everyday. Yes to be religious is not just when we muslim pray 5 times a day. Or when the christians went to the church to pray. Religion is our way of life. Without harsh punishment, people will always repeat the criminals activities such as Stealing, rape, killing and molesting. Hard punishment can teach people for not to doing crime. When people are not stealing, killing, molesting or rape, everywhere we go we will feel very safe. When people not having sex with everybody before marriage, we also can stop the aids and hiv virus. To prevent the couple from killing the newborn baby. People afraid to do criminals activities because of the harsh punishment. Yes the punishment do teach us the way of life. Hard punishment will guide us to the great civilization. Although without sharia law, people will always killing each others in this world.
"Religion does not kill people. Only punishment can kill. To be civilized people need religion. To be religious everyday."

Total and utter bollocks.

If that was true there wouldn't be 120.000 dead Syrians and counting.

Religion breeds sectarianism. Muslims seem to have no problem killing other muslims if they don't share the same brand of islam. The Saudis would rather see godless secularists in power in Egypt than the muslim brotherhood. Why do you think that is? It's because the muslim brotherhood are the wrong kind of muslim sect.
impostor

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#320 Oct 30, 2013
hey you Anti Semitic.. If you are a muslim will never hate Jesus, meaning you are impostor...LIAR
Bruneian on street

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#324 Oct 30, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Introducing a law that would see people stoned to death is a backward step in anyone's book. A 2000 year backward step.
It just goes to show that some people have a higher moral standard than any "holy" book that would sanction such barbarity.
Threatening people with death by stoning probably would stop most crime in a country that would do it for adultery and blasphemy. blasphemy could mean anything to a muslim.Even drawing a cartoon of mohammad. There are other ways you could stop most crimes. threaten your citizens that they will burn their entire family to death if you so much dare step out of line.
The only defense that can be used to justify stoning for blasphemy and adultery is "because it says so in the koran" And to act on those words is intrinsically wicked.
Dear friend, we got to understand that here is no 'humane' way of executing, thats the purpose of execution, and dont think that any form of execution would be pleasant... electrocution is not that pleasant either, neither is hanging, nor beheading, etc.

The question that we should be talking about here is what justifies execution.. once we agree that a particular person deserves execution for a particular act, then the execution is justified.
Anti Semitic

Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei Darussalam

#325 Oct 30, 2013
impostor wrote:
hey you Anti Semitic.. If you are a muslim will never hate Jesus, meaning you are impostor...LIAR
hahaha u r so stupid .

AS A MUSLIM WE KNOW THAT JESUS IS ACTUALLY EVIL MAN REPALACE BY ALLAH TO LOOK LIKE JESUS (NABI ISA) ON THE STAKE DURING THE BURNING (REPLACE). THEN ALLAH 'LEVEITATE INVISIBLELY' THE REAL NABI ISA (REAL JESUS) TO HEAVEN AT THAT MOMENT IN ORDER FOR THE REAL JESUS (NABI ISA) TO BE SAVE BY THE GRACE OF ALLAH AND TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO EARTH DURING (NEAR END OF TIME JUDGMENT DAY) CHAOS TO BRING BACK ORDER TO SOCIETY. THIS MY FRIEND IS THE TRUE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE THOUSAND OF YEARS AGO.

THEREFORE WE MUSLIM BELIVE THE JESUS ON THE STAKE IS NOT NABI ISA OK.

HAOW DARE U SAY THAT I M NOT A MUSLIM !!!!! I CAN HAVE U KILL HERE IN BRUNEI IF U SAY THAT IN FRONT OF 4 OTHER MUSLIM. I KNOW ISLAM BETTER THAN U !!!

NABI ISA (REAL JESUS) IS JUST SOME OF THE SPECIAL HUMAN THAT THEIR LIFE-SPAN IS HALTED BY ALLAH IN OTHER WORDS ALLAH HAVE NOT GIVEN PERMISSION FOR NABI ISA TO AGE NORMALLY.

'YANG DIBERHENTIKAN UMURNYA'
head hunters

Brunei, Brunei Darussalam

#326 Oct 30, 2013
How can the stupid dumb westerners open their Heart n Mind when they themselves DON'T have the real true Heart n Mind within themselves and also they DON'T have the real true Soul n Spirit inside themselves. They stupid dumb people are EMPTY rotten old wooden box. Keh keh keh.

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#327 Oct 31, 2013
head hunters wrote:
How can the stupid dumb westerners open their Heart n Mind when they themselves DON'T have the real true Heart n Mind within themselves and also they DON'T have the real true Soul n Spirit inside themselves. They stupid dumb people are EMPTY rotten old wooden box. Keh keh keh.
It's the Muslims who are ignorant and brainwashed.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#328 Oct 31, 2013
Anti Semitic wrote:
<quoted text> U R JUST HUMAN U R NOT THE CHOSEN ONE.!!!
No I'm not the chosen one, neither was Mohammed, he was just a deceiver sent by the evil djinn, Allah.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#329 Oct 31, 2013
Bruneian on street wrote:
The degree of stupidity in this forum is too damn high.
Well leave here then. An instant cure :-)

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#330 Oct 31, 2013
Bruneian on street wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear friend,
Our Sultan is far from what you have imagined in your head. There is no one murdered and killed in Brunei.
It is very hard to explain to non-muslim as it is hard to explain it to the new and younger generation in Brunei.
But this is for the best for our people as we believe that it will bring good changes and help to solve the increasing criminal activities in the country.
Dear friend, Sharia Law is not as simple and evil as u have thought, it demands due process of equitable checks and balances, so rigid, so involved, so meticulous, no mistakes because Muslims apply this Law so that injustice is not committed by us.
Syariah Law is not about “chop, stone first and then ask question”. It is not a wild life style execution:“shot first and justify later”.
It is preventive in nature to prevent socio-economic-religious self-destruction of individuals and society in this transient world.
For the muslims Sharia Law is not merely just a law it is a way of dealing with thing in everyday life.
We as a muslim here embrace the practice of life, therefore abide to the law.
We Bruneians have a great respect for other religion to be practiced in the country too and in that sense we all must have respect for other religion too.
As I said earlier, the only people this will affect are the poor people of Brunei.
The rich and the royals will be exempt as usual.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#331 Oct 31, 2013
Anti semitic wrote:
<quoted text> NO NO NOOOOO !!!! WE BRUNEIANS DO NOT AGREED WITH U !!! QURAN IS FROM THE HEAVEN FROM GOD WE AS HUMANS CANNOT QUESTION GOD ANYMORE CAN WE QUESTION OUR OWN DESTINY !!!
HUMAN RULES ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN SINCE IT IS CREATE BY HUMANS THEMSELVES BUT LAW FROM ALLAH IS PERFECT AND CANNOT BE BROKEN.
WE OWE OUR VERY EXISTENCE TO ALLAH THE MERCIFUL - HOW CAN WE DISRESPECT ALLAH BY QUESTENING GODS LAW !!!! IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO QUESTION STONING ETC. U WESTERNERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE YOUR HEART HAVE BEEN CLOSE BY IGNORANCE AND SELF IMPORTANCE. w
WE MUSLIM WILL NOT BE TRICK BY YOUR SILLY WESTERN IDEALS AND WEAK CONCEPT OF LIFE. WE BRUNEIANS HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE THAN U WESTERNERS EVER DID.
U WESTERNERS HAVE LOOSE THE MENING OF LIFE AND THE IMPORTANT OF LIVING. WE BRUNEIAN ARE LOOKING FOWARD FOR LIFE AFTER DEATH WITH CONFIDENCE AND DIGNITY BECAUSE WE HAVE FAITH.
"WE OWE OUR VERY EXISTENCE TO ALLAH THE MERCIFUL"

"IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO QUESTION STONING"

Yeah…you're a Poe

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#332 Oct 31, 2013
Anti Semitic wrote:
<quoted text>
AS A MUSLIM WE KNOW THAT JESUS IS ACTUALLY EVIL MAN REPALACE BY ALLAH TO LOOK LIKE JESUS (NABI ISA) ON THE STAKE DURING THE BURNING (REPLACE). THEN ALLAH 'LEVEITATE INVISIBLELY' THE REAL NABI ISA (REAL JESUS) TO HEAVEN AT THAT MOMENT IN ORDER FOR THE REAL JESUS (NABI ISA) TO BE SAVE BY THE GRACE OF ALLAH AND TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO EARTH DURING (NEAR END OF TIME JUDGMENT DAY) CHAOS TO BRING BACK ORDER TO SOCIETY. THIS MY FRIEND IS THE TRUE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE THOUSAND OF YEARS AGO.
Yeah…most definitely a Poe...

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