If founding fathers were muslims, what would America be today?

Created by Rusty Tin Can on May 6, 2012

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Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#1 May 6, 2012
Anjem Choudary would claim Islamic laws would bring the best a society can get.... where are these countries?

Well, Woodrow for one already said America is "better" (i.e. more Islamic) than the birthplace of Islam. Doesn't the fact before our eyes islam should be rejected as the model for building society?

“Blessed on Earth n under It.”

Since: Oct 10

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

#2 May 6, 2012
Founding fathers??? What did they found? Did they found a country from nowhere.... a country with 'no people'!!!!
How did they found their country?

If they were Muslims, it would be a country ruled by its 'native' people. Muslims' aim is to spread Allah's message ..to save people ..to guide them to the path..
Native people won't have been wiped out ..it would be like any other country Muslims spread Islam into..
it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria..

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#3 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
Founding fathers??? What did they found? Did they found a country from nowhere.... a country with 'no people'!!!!
How did they found their country?
If they were Muslims, it would be a country ruled by its 'native' people. Muslims' aim is to spread Allah's message ..to save people ..to guide them to the path..
Native people won't have been wiped out ..it would be like any other country Muslims spread Islam into..
it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria..
The founding fathers were from a religious Christian movement that originally were ousted from the UK and set up in the new world.
Abas Eskandri

Toronto, Canada

#4 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
Founding fathers??? What did they found? Did they found a country from nowhere.... a country with 'no people'!!!!
How did they found their country?
If they were Muslims, it would be a country ruled by its 'native' people. Muslims' aim is to spread Allah's message ..to save people ..to guide them to the path..
Native people won't have been wiped out ..it would be like any other country Muslims spread Islam into..
it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria..
Ha ha! Look at the plight of once proud and famous zoroastrian Persia now!
Aryan Racist Moe Foe

Sugar Grove, IL

#5 May 6, 2012
A 3rd World $#!T Hole

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#6 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
Founding fathers??? What did they found? Did they found a country from nowhere.... a country with 'no people'!!!!
How did they found their country?
If they were Muslims, it would be a country ruled by its 'native' people. Muslims' aim is to spread Allah's message ..to save people ..to guide them to the path..
Native people won't have been wiped out ..it would be like any other country Muslims spread Islam into..
it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria..
They found this free country built on the Constitution that proves to be far superior than Islamic laws that fail every muslim nations on earth. Muslims and non-muslims living in muslim countries try to get away from their country, while muslims living in non-muslim countries don't want to live in muslim countries.

We still have native indian living under protection here, they live and work among us, we are friends today. Where are the tribes of Jews once living in Arabian peninsula that Muhammad wiped out, have arabs become friends with Jews now?

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#7 May 6, 2012
It would be a religious hell hole like all the other Muslim countries.

“Blessed on Earth n under It.”

Since: Oct 10

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

#8 May 6, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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They found this free country built on the Constitution that proves to be far superior than Islamic laws that fail every muslim nations on earth. Muslims and non-muslims living in muslim countries try to get away from their country, while muslims living in non-muslim countries don't want to live in muslim countries.
We still have native indian living under protection here, they live and work among us, we are friends today. Where are the tribes of Jews once living in Arabian peninsula that Muhammad wiped out, have arabs become friends with Jews now?
Jews betrayed the people who gave them shelter and allowed them to live among them, so they paid for their betrayl and were forced to return to where they came from.. it's ARABIA for Arabs and Insha' Allah soon the other jews will return to where they came from .But the poor 'native Americans' did nothing wrong ..the had to pay or the greed of the white man ... they tried to defend their land and their lives, but were not allowed to ..
the people of the land were not allowed to live in their own land and were wiped out while people from different parts of the world were and are welcomed... how air is it?
A history built on the corpses of millions of native people!! how can anyone be proud of it??
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#9 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
Founding fathers??? What did they found? Did they found a country from nowhere.... a country with 'no people'!!!!
How did they found their country?
If they were Muslims, it would be a country ruled by its 'native' people. Muslims' aim is to spread Allah's message ..to save people ..to guide them to the path..
Native people won't have been wiped out ..it would be like any other country Muslims spread Islam into..
it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria..
America is being over run with Islamic bull-shit.
You ignorant muslim, native Americans have their own territory land with in America.
And yet they are citizens of America.
Your Islamic countries are nothing but garbage hell holes.
And the more muslims come to America the America becomes garbage hell holes.

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#10 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
Jews betrayed the people who gave them shelter and allowed them to live among them, so they paid for their betrayl and were forced to return to where they came from.. it's ARABIA for Arabs and Insha' Allah soon the other jews will return to where they came from .But the poor 'native Americans' did nothing wrong ..the had to pay or the greed of the white man ... they tried to defend their land and their lives, but were not allowed to ..
the people of the land were not allowed to live in their own land and were wiped out while people from different parts of the world were and are welcomed... how air is it?
A history built on the corpses of millions of native people!! how can anyone be proud of it??
Jews were already there and thriving in Medina before Muhammad even applied for visa to go there, how on earth it became muslims "gave them shelter and allowed them to live among them"? Muhammad expelled a few jewish tribes prior to the conquering the last tribe where he beheaded all Jewish men after the battle - think of this, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when you're the last Jewish tribe left after the rest were eliminated, you'd have every reason to defend yourself against the man.

Muslims create false reasons and re-invent history. You are protecting an evil man.

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#11 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
the poor 'native Americans' did nothing wrong ..the had to pay or the greed of the white man ... they tried to defend their land and their lives, but were not allowed to ..
the people of the land were not allowed to live in their own land and were wiped out while people from different parts of the world were and are welcomed... how air is it?
A history built on the corpses of millions of native people!! how can anyone be proud of it??
You can't keep on using this example to justify evil of your religious founder. It is a fallacy (and by the same reasoning, muslims would have to return much of the lands they conquered ass well)

We do not follow the "white men" from the generations past, but muslims do follow Muhammad's examples and teachings that continue to cause trouble to the world. Is it in the Islam's teaching that we must always trace back to what people's ancestors to judge their decendants? We don't judge muslims based on that, but we judge Islam based on what it is founded on.

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#12 May 6, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
...muslims would have to return much of the lands they conquered ass well)
serious typo:

"as"

must be a ssssticky keyboard

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#13 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
<quoted text>
Jews betrayed the people who gave them shelter and allowed them to live among them, so they paid for their betrayl and were forced to return to where they came from.. it's ARABIA for Arabs and Insha' Allah soon the other jews will return to where they came from .But the poor 'native Americans' did nothing wrong ..the had to pay or the greed of the white man ... they tried to defend their land and their lives, but were not allowed to ..
the people of the land were not allowed to live in their own land and were wiped out while people from different parts of the world were and are welcomed... how air is it?
A history built on the corpses of millions of native people!! how can anyone be proud of it??
There's rather a lot of ethnic clensing right now in Islamic countries against the Christians and other religious groups. Now where is the fairness in that?

Since: Apr 07

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#14 May 6, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
<quoted text>
Jews betrayed the people who gave them shelter and allowed them to live among them, so they paid for their betrayl and were forced to return to where they came from.. it's ARABIA for Arabs and Insha' Allah soon the other jews will return to where they came from .But the poor 'native Americans' did nothing wrong ..the had to pay or the greed of the white man ... they tried to defend their land and their lives, but were not allowed to ..

the people of the land were not allowed to live in their own land and were wiped out while people from different parts of the world were and are welcomed... how air is it?
A history built on the corpses of millions of native people!! how can anyone be proud of it??
Why don't you ask your fellow Muslims that question?

Now, you said "Jews betrayed the people who gave them shelter and allowed them to live among them, so they paid for their betrayl and were forced to return to where they came from.. it's ARABIA for Arabs and Insha' Allah soon the other jews will return to where they came from." I have some comments and a couple of questions for you.

1. I was under the impression that it was God who gave Jews shelter and a place to live. Who do YOU say it was?

2. Just who was it that Jews "betrayed?"

3. Jews HAVE "returned where they came from." It's called "Israel."

4. According to you, Jews were "FORCED to return where they came from."
A. If they didn't come from Israel, just where DID they come from?
B. If they were "FORCED to return," then why do so many Muslims want to see Jews destroyed? If they were "forced" to return, then why not leave them alone in the place they were forced to return to?

Since: Apr 07

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#15 May 6, 2012
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
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You can't keep on using this example to justify evil of your religious founder. It is a fallacy (and by the same reasoning, muslims would have to return much of the lands they conquered ass well)

We do not follow the "white men" from the generations past, but muslims do follow Muhammad's examples and teachings that continue to cause trouble to the world. Is it in the Islam's teaching that we must always trace back to what people's ancestors to judge their decendants? We don't judge muslims based on that, but we judge Islam based on what it is founded on.
OUTSTANDING post :)

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#16 May 6, 2012
To answer the poll question:

"If founding fathers were muslims, what would America be today?"

My answer: No place I'D want to live.

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#17 May 6, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
OUTSTANDING post :)
thanks....

Scent's post is nice too, she's only wrong.
Old Pom

Australia

#18 May 7, 2012
Scent of Memories wrote:
Founding fathers??? What did they found? Did they found a country from nowhere.... a country with 'no people'!!!!
How did they found their country?
If they were Muslims, it would be a country ruled by its 'native' people. Muslims' aim is to spread Allah's message ..to save people ..to guide them to the path..
Native people won't have been wiped out ..it would be like any other country Muslims spread Islam into..
it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria..
"it would be like Malaysia , or Turkey, or Egypt or Nigeria"..

These are supposed to be superior to America?
Aiesha S

Sydney, Australia

#19 May 7, 2012
Hypothetically, if your Founding Fathers were Muslims, the world would have missed out on the First Amendment.
Aiesha S

Sydney, Australia

#20 May 7, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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The founding fathers were from a religious Christian movement that originally were ousted from the UK and set up in the new world.
The Puritans?

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