Morsi Rebuffs Calls to Step Down

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Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#1 Jul 2, 2013
Wow, Egyptians have a brilliant way to protest - with fireworks!

Fireworks burst over Tahrir Square in Cairo on Tuesday. Shops were closed as hundreds of thousands of people again turned out to protest against the country's Islamist president.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-...

Now the news:

Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi defiantly rejected protesters' calls for him to step down in a late-night address, telling Egyptians he was willing to "pay my life to protect the legitimacy" of the country's ballot box and Islamist drafted constitution.

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"There is a state expecting me to uphold the legitimacy of this constitution. I have no choice," Mr. Morsi said on state television, urging Egyptians not to resort to violence and blaming the nation's instability on the old regime and on those who seek to divert the frustration of the nation's youth against him.

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"It is important for us to realize that violence and bloodshed is a trap. It will be a source of joy to our enemies," Mr. Morsi said.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788...

Well well well... blaming others again (including Hosni Mubarak) for his failure, and his attempt to discourage protesters (from using violence and bloodshed) by claiming that "It will be a source of joy to our enemies" may have revealed his own mentalitty (would it bring joy to him to see his oppositions killing each other?)... reminds me of this post by Raymond Ibrahim:

"Islamists Accuse Egypt's Christians of Behaving Like…Islamists?"

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TKP...

Since: Apr 11

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#2 Jul 2, 2013
Just think!
President Obama sends American tax payer money to support the failed Presidency of Morsi.

Shouldn't Obama go also?

Since: Oct 11

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#3 Jul 2, 2013
Morsi says that as he was democratically elected his removal by the army would not be legitimate. Well, you could argue that Mubarak was also the legal president but he was still removed. He wasn't legitimate because most ppl no longer accepted his right to rule. It seems now that Morsi is in the same boat. This is the problem when you have a country with absolutely no tradition of democracy or constitutionalism. The government acts like being elected gives it absolute rights and the opposition refuses to accept the right of the goverment to rule. I recall after Mubarak fell there was talk of first setting up a constitution and then having elections. Doing it the other way round means that Morsi and his fundamentalist supporters were able to pretty well shape the politics and culture of Egypt for years to come. It should never have been allowed but the egyptians were so eager for democracy they never bothered to think about the need to do the groundwork that ensures that democratic government also means effective government.

Sometimes suspending 'democracy' is a good idea if all democracy leads to is chaos. In the end we have Governments not give people votes but to administer the laws that allow people to get on with their business. This Morsi is clearly uable to do.
Bombardier

Bowling Green, KY

#4 Jul 2, 2013
Here comes martial law.

Since: Apr 11

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#5 Jul 2, 2013
Morsi can't be removed.
President Obama gave Morsi billions of American tax payers dollars to buy Air planes and tanks to kill Christians, Jews and American citizens.

Americans are to stupid to care about what Obama does.
As long as American's get what they believe is free stuff from Obama, they don't mind being killed by the Muslims.

Look at all the service men and women in America now that are disabled by Muslim suicide bombs, do American's care?

American's paid Muslims to that to our soldiers with their tax dollars that go to Muslim countries.

Obama says American's are to keep quit and not offend the Muslims.
The war on terror is over Obama says.

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#6 Jul 3, 2013
Just a little while ago,

Egyptian President Warns Assad That ‘Your Time Won’t Be Long’

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/world/middl...

Since: Jul 09

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#7 Jul 3, 2013
The islamic lands are in turmoil. Violence, political strife, poverty, confusion etc etc.... the real God cursed you all.
Daniel

Aurora, Canada

#8 Jul 3, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Just think!
President Obama sends American tax payer money to support the failed Presidency of Morsi.
Shouldn't Obama go also?
Impeachment

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#9 Jul 3, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
Just a little while ago,
Egyptian President Warns Assad That ‘Your Time Won’t Be Long’
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/world/middl...
Now the ball bounced back:

"Syria says Mursi must realize Egyptians don't want him"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/syria-says-mursi-mus...

One day they'll joke about this in hell...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#10 Jul 3, 2013
emmet wrote:
This is the problem when you have a country with absolutely no tradition of democracy or constitutionalism.
The problem is that you don't elect a government with a religious bent. Turkey is starting to regret their mistake as well. You don't elect Pat Robertson as President and I am a Christian saying this. There is a very good reason for impartial secularism to rule, so that people with differing views can still live in peace with each other. "Give back to Caesar what is his and give to God what is his". Jesus was very wise to suggest that matters of the soul have nothing to do with matters of Politics, power and greed. He seemed to find those matters to be trivial things that trivial people quarrel about. Leave judgment about religious matters up to God and take care of your own soul first, instead of everybody elses. The biggest and most dangerous problem with Islam is that it is not just a Religion, it is every bit as much of a Political movement or even more so. And what makes it worse is that this is hard coded in their scriptures.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#11 Jul 3, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
Now the ball bounced back:
"Syria says Mursi must realize Egyptians don't want him"
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/syria-says-mursi-mus...
One day they'll joke about this in hell...
LOL!! And one will pull out a cigar and ask the other, "you got a light?". Actually, in all seriousness, I never wish Hell on anybody. Not my job.

Since: Jul 09

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#12 Jul 3, 2013
I just hope the Coptic Christians, women and children will be alright.

I could care less about the male moon cultists and any woman dumb enough to immerse herself in the moon cult manifesto. Shoot yourselves silly.

As Ozzy used to say at concerts..."let the madness begin".

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#13 Jul 3, 2013
Seeker wrote:
Actually, in all seriousness, I never wish Hell on anybody.
neither do I
Proud American

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Jul 3, 2013
This thread quickly became outdated. Morsi WAS democratically elected but he foolishly made a power grab. The Egyptian people wisely saw the writing on the wall and said no to Sharia and hard line Islam. Good for them.

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#15 Jul 3, 2013
Proud American wrote:
This thread quickly became outdated. Morsi WAS democratically elected but he foolishly made a power grab. The Egyptian people wisely saw the writing on the wall and said no to Sharia and hard line Islam. Good for them.
I don't think it will be that easy in the long run. Sadly.

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#16 Jul 3, 2013
So now Morsi is officially ousted.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013...

And here's the icing on the cake:

"U.S. law calls for suspension of foreign aid in the event that an elected leader is deposed by a military coup."

(hopefully we can keep some hard earned money in our pockets?)

Since: Apr 12

Concord, CA

#17 Jul 3, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
So now Morsi is officially ousted.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013...
And here's the icing on the cake:
"U.S. law calls for suspension of foreign aid in the event that an elected leader is deposed by a military coup."
(hopefully we can keep some hard earned money in our pockets?)
"Egypt coup raises questions on U.S. military aid"

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/03/egyp...

A foreign policy headache for President Barack Obama worsened on Wednesday as Egypt endured its second coup in less than three years.

The declaration by Egypt's powerful military that suspended the constitution and removed President Mohamed Morsy from power raised questions about U.S. military aid to an important Middle East ally that borders Israel.

In addition, the coup ousted Egypt's first democratically elected leader a year after he took office, creating a further uncomfortable policy scenario for a U.S. government and president that champion democratic principles.

Top national security officials including Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, and CIA Director John Brennan headed to the White House after the coup announcement Wednesday.

In Egypt, the U.S. Embassy ordered the evacuation of non-essential personnel, a senior administration official told CNN.

Since: Apr 11

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#18 Jul 3, 2013
Rusty Tin Can wrote:
<quoted text>
"Egypt coup raises questions on U.S. military aid"
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/03/egyp...
A foreign policy headache for President Barack Obama worsened on Wednesday as Egypt endured its second coup in less than three years.
The declaration by Egypt's powerful military that suspended the constitution and removed President Mohamed Morsy from power raised questions about U.S. military aid to an important Middle East ally that borders Israel.
In addition, the coup ousted Egypt's first democratically elected leader a year after he took office, creating a further uncomfortable policy scenario for a U.S. government and president that champion democratic principles.
Top national security officials including Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, and CIA Director John Brennan headed to the White House after the coup announcement Wednesday.
In Egypt, the U.S. Embassy ordered the evacuation of non-essential personnel, a senior administration official told CNN.
Obama is a two faced President.
He should resign.

Since: Oct 11

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#19 Jul 3, 2013
They should have put the constitution together first, then had the election but they did'nt trust the military so the had an election then they set up a constitution which them was voted by the people.

On one level, they did the right thing. The government and constitution were approved democratically. In a democracy you accept the result and wait till your side can convince enough people to change the policy at the ballot box.

On the other hand, these people have been putting up with years and years of dictatorship and abuse by dictators. Under the dictators these sort of protests would have been put down with guns, arrests, torture and executions. The revolution unleashed a genii and it can't be put back by citing democratic legitimacy (as Morsi had been doing).

They should have set up a constitution that allowed more sharing of power so that no government could have too much power. That way you'd end up with greater consensus. Of course, a country as economically damaged as Egypt needs strong leadership to get back on track. But it also needs intelligent leadership. This is impossible for any one person to provide and requires consultative government. Because they didnt do it properly the first, they now have a really bad precedent of a democratically elected ruler being overthrown by a mob. What will happen the next time a mob decides they hate the elected government?

Democracy requires a degree of consensus. People who believe they have the monopoly on truth will never accept that. To some extent this is problem of the culture of the country. They're used to the guy with the biggest guns calling all the shots (so to speak). But its also a problem of the design of the political system that allows a party that believes it has the monopoly on truth to gain absolute power.

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#20 Jul 3, 2013
emmet wrote:
They should have put the constitution together first, then had the election but they did'nt trust the military so the had an election then they set up a constitution which them was voted by the people.
The illegitimate constitution is one of the reasons why Egyptians have caused this ouster of Morsi.

It wasn't a just vote and I really don't see how it was even legal.

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