Was Abraham a Jew or Christian?

Since: Sep 09

Hollywood, FL

#124 Jan 17, 2013
Abraham, was a JEW...
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#125 Jan 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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An ordinary man not aided by the power of God could not command a crippled man to arise and walk; so Jesus commanded the crippled man to walk to show His authority to forgive sin. Curing the crippled man showed that God approved of His authority to forgive sin.
Salaamz & L M A O ! What!!?? You,ve never seen or heard of modern day faith healingz? You sir, need to get out more! Cheerz
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#126 Jan 18, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>Salaamz & L M A O ! What!!?? You,ve never seen or heard of modern day faith healingz? You sir, need to get out more! Cheerz
If Jesus could not forgive sin then God would not have shown His approval of Jesus by curing the crippled man at Jesus' command.

God to this day can heal people through Christians that have been given the gift of healing through the Holy Spirit. This does not contradict what Jesus said.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#127 Jan 18, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>Salaamz & L M A O ! What!!?? You,ve never seen or heard of modern day faith healingz? You sir, need to get out more! Cheerz
Jesus, after His resurrection, breathed the Holy Spirit on His disciples and gave them the authority to forgive sins in His Name. This authority has been handed down through the generations of bishops and priest of the Catholic Church to this day.
Saladeen

Bristol, UK

#128 Jan 18, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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The Holy Bible is the canon, measure, by which all revelations are measaured. The koran does not measure up; nor does the life of mohammad. mohammad was not baptized as commanded by Jesus thus God would not use him for His spokeperson.
Why would you think mohammad was a prophet of God? Because he said so? Did his life show any divine qualities? mohammad loved those who loved him; but Jesus said there is no reward in this, for so does the pagan love those who love them; but followers of God must love their enemy for they are to be perfect as their Heavenly Father is perfect. Did mohammad work any signs and wonders for the people to recognize him as a prophet of God?
America is now in islamic lands trying to protect muslims from muslims. As fast as America builds schools in Afganistan the taliban burn them down. Killing young girl students with no remorse. Once American leaves Afganistan all hell will break out their as muslims kill each other; as they are also doing in Pakistan.
mohammad was a war lord and had indiscriminate sex with what ever caught his eye; nothing divine in this.
.....this doesn't disprove Muhammad's prophethood for Moses also waged wars against many nations and kept virgin girls as war booty...does it mean Moses also couldn't be from God?

Moses and Muhammad were totally deferent from Jesus.....their mission was to ustablish the Justice of God throgh His Law even if it ment to kill.....Jesus came where the Law of God was already usteblished and all he must do was to call the people back to it.

You Christans created this all loving God that loves evereone ......even those who hates Him.

Yes God loves those who love Him but He hates those who hate Him.

The truth Relogion is not only about love but mainly about the right of God....
...and so if you love everyone around you...even your enemies but you worship others beside God isn't any
good to you...and thats exactly what you Christians do....you worship the creation beside the Creator.

Muhammad brought the people from this darkness by the promision of God....this was the sign.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#129 Jan 18, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
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.....this doesn't disprove Muhammad's prophethood for Moses also waged wars against many nations and kept virgin girls as war booty...does it mean Moses also couldn't be from God?
Moses and Muhammad were totally deferent from Jesus.....their mission was to ustablish the Justice of God throgh His Law even if it ment to kill.....Jesus came where the Law of God was already usteblished and all he must do was to call the people back to it.
You Christans created this all loving God that loves evereone ......even those who hates Him.
Yes God loves those who love Him but He hates those who hate Him.
The truth Relogion is not only about love but mainly about the right of God....
...and so if you love everyone around you...even your enemies but you worship others beside God isn't any
good to you...and thats exactly what you Christians do....you worship the creation beside the Creator.
Muhammad brought the people from this darkness by the promision of God....this was the sign.
There is no reason to believe mohammad was a prophet of God; he came with neither signs or wonders, he was not a descendent of Israel, nor was he a born again Christian. What he spoke did not agree with the uncorrupt Holy Bible; making him a false prophet.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#130 Jan 18, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
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.....this doesn't disprove Muhammad's prophethood for Moses also waged wars against many nations and kept virgin girls as war booty...does it mean Moses also couldn't be from God?
Moses and Muhammad were totally deferent from Jesus.....their mission was to ustablish the Justice of God throgh His Law even if it ment to kill.....Jesus came where the Law of God was already usteblished and all he must do was to call the people back to it.
You Christans created this all loving God that loves evereone ......even those who hates Him.
Yes God loves those who love Him but He hates those who hate Him.
The truth Relogion is not only about love but mainly about the right of God....
...and so if you love everyone around you...even your enemies but you worship others beside God isn't any
good to you...and thats exactly what you Christians do....you worship the creation beside the Creator.
Muhammad brought the people from this darkness by the promision of God....this was the sign.
God loves all people. He lets the sun shine on the just and the unjust. We are to love as God loves and not as the pagans do who only love those who love them.
Saladeen

UK

#131 Jan 19, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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There is no reason to believe mohammad was a prophet of God; he came with neither signs or wonders, he was not a descendent of Israel, nor was he a born again Christian. What he spoke did not agree with the uncorrupt Holy Bible; making him a false prophet.
1. Neither was Abraham the descendant of Israel or any other prophets before Jacob (Israel) since they lived ages before Jacob(Israel ).....indeed Abraham was
Babylonian today Iraqi....does it makes him and others false prophets too?

2. Muhammad did many wonders and signs such as when he separated the moon but you can't prove them just like the wonders that Jesus preformed and that's because they ment to be just for the people who were present at that time......but the Quran is present since 1400 years ago and it is the bigest sign that Muhammad came with.

3. Yes you right the Quran doesn't agree with today Bible but if the reason is the falsehood of the Quran rather then the Bible then I wonder why did the follower of James the brother of Jesus rejected the writings of Paul and called him false teacher.

......I advice you to study the hystory of early Christianity rather then just blindly follow today Churches and you will find the Truth....if God wills for whoever God guides there is no one to misguide him and whoever God misguide there is no one to guide him.
Saladeen

UK

#132 Jan 19, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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God loves all people. He lets the sun shine on the just and the unjust. We are to love as God loves and not as the pagans do who only love those who love them.
...... He lets the sun shine on the just and the unjust.....that's out of justice and not love.

....in the hellfire...does God punish the disbeliever of out Love or out of His justice?

...in this life we have all the same right to the creation of God....however some prisiate it and some are arrogant.

....as I said before that you Christians created this all loving God to make it all looking good...for example the well known saying "if someone hit you on one cheek turn your other cheek too"

....is it really logical and just?

If some one comes to you house and rape you wife do you give him you daughter as well?

...rather it is human instinct to defend yourself.

....see Islam is based on justice and it is just to love those who love God and hate those who hate Him.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#133 Jan 19, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
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1. Neither was Abraham the descendant of Israel or any other prophets before Jacob (Israel) since they lived ages before Jacob(Israel ).....indeed Abraham was
Babylonian today Iraqi....does it makes him and others false prophets too?
2. Muhammad did many wonders and signs such as when he separated the moon but you can't prove them just like the wonders that Jesus preformed and that's because they ment to be just for the people who were present at that time......but the Quran is present since 1400 years ago and it is the bigest sign that Muhammad came with.
3. Yes you right the Quran doesn't agree with today Bible but if the reason is the falsehood of the Quran rather then the Bible then I wonder why did the follower of James the brother of Jesus rejected the writings of Paul and called him false teacher.
......I advice you to study the hystory of early Christianity rather then just blindly follow today Churches and you will find the Truth....if God wills for whoever God guides there is no one to misguide him and whoever God misguide there is no one to guide him.
God made is covenant with Abraham and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob. Jacob was called Israel through which all the prophets came; mohammand not being one them.

The koran is not a miracle since it was written decades after mohammad was dead and all the older versions were burnt. Major fail for islam which rests on this false premise.

At the Council of Jerusalem St James and all the elders of the Christian Church approved of St Paul's mission; which would include his writings.
Saladeen

UK

#134 Jan 19, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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God made is covenant with Abraham and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob. Jacob was called Israel through which all the prophets came; mohammand not being one them.
The koran is not a miracle since it was written decades after mohammad was dead and all the older versions were burnt. Major fail for islam which rests on this false premise.
At the Council of Jerusalem St James and all the elders of the Christian Church approved of St Paul's mission; which would include his writings.
I am sorry but let me correct you on that....

1. The Prophets of God didn't have nationality but one Relogion (the way of life). Jacob had 12 sons therefor together they formed the nation of Israel (Jacob)... And so all people of the Mosaic Law born after Jacob (Israle) ware Israelite.

However it has nothing to do with Abraham for example as he wasn't Iisraeli born after Jacob but he was from Babylonia today Irag (midle east just like Muhammad)

2. The Quran was burned only among the followers of Muhammad but there are still scriptures written in other parts of the world coming all the way back to Muhammad.

3. Paul was person who was willing to compromise his religion and so he mixed the religion of Jesus with some pegan beliefs to pleased the Romans so that they believe in Jesus.

Please wacth BBC:

http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Saladeen

UK

#135 Jan 19, 2013
For Paul VW:

Please watch also the secound part which is even more interesting:

http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#136 Jan 20, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
For Paul VW:
Please watch also the secound part which is even more interesting:
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
The Catholic Church and Holy Bible evolved through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. God continues to speak to His Church and guide her is the way of Truth. Any "so called" changes in the approved versions of the Holy Bible of the Catholic Church are approved of by God through the Keys to the Kingdom of God given her by Jesus. The Catechism of the Catholic Church can now also be considered of divine origin since it has been approved of by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. God is not dead and continues to speak to His Church!
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#137 Jan 20, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
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I am sorry but let me correct you on that....
1. The Prophets of God didn't have nationality but one Relogion (the way of life). Jacob had 12 sons therefor together they formed the nation of Israel (Jacob)... And so all people of the Mosaic Law born after Jacob (Israle) ware Israelite.
However it has nothing to do with Abraham for example as he wasn't Iisraeli born after Jacob but he was from Babylonia today Irag (midle east just like Muhammad)
2. The Quran was burned only among the followers of Muhammad but there are still scriptures written in other parts of the world coming all the way back to Muhammad.
3. Paul was person who was willing to compromise his religion and so he mixed the religion of Jesus with some pegan beliefs to pleased the Romans so that they believe in Jesus.
Please wacth BBC:
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
If mohammad was an Israelite he would have kept the Sabbath as the Israelites. Since he did not he cannot even be considered an Israelite using your twisted logic. God made His covenant with Abraham and His descendent through Isaac and Jacob, so it does not matter he was not an Israelite.

There are a lot of religious writings going back before mohammad but the koran as now used was not from mohammad but by some later writter who had all other versions of the "koran" burnt.

The teachings of St Paul was approved of by St James, St Peter and the elders of Jesus' Church during the first ecumentical council held in Jerusalem.
Saladeen

UK

#138 Jan 20, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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......The teachings of St Paul was approved of by St James, St Peter and the elders of Jesus' Church during the first ecumentical council held in Jerusalem.
Paul vs James, Peter and others

Please reflect on the following evidences and please read it cerfurly....

To start let's find out who are the people about whom is written in the Acts:

17 When we (Paul and Barnabas) arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. 18 The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19 Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.

20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul:“You see, brother, how MANY THOUSANDS OF JEWS HAVE BELIEVED, AND ALL OF THEM ARE ZEALOS FOR THE LAW. 21 THEY HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT YOU TEACH ALL THE JEWS WHO LIVE AMONG THE GENTILES TO TURN AWAY FROM MOSES, TELLIN THEM NOT TO CIRCUMSISE THEIR CHILDREN OR LIVE ACCORDING TO OUR COSTUMS. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”(Acts 21:17-25)

Further more from the Act:

15 CERTAIN PEOPLE came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers:“UNLESS YOU ARE CIRCUMSISED ACCORDING TO THE CUSTOMS TAUGHT BY MOSES, YOU CAN NOT BE SAVED.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question......

4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them
5 THEN SOME OF THE BELIEVERS WHO BELONGED TO THE PARTY OF THE PHARISESS STOOD UP AND SAID,“THE GENITALS MUST BE CIRCUMSISED AND REQUIRED TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question.......

......19 “It is my (Jame's) judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
(Acts15)
Saladeen

UK

#139 Jan 20, 2013
Paul WV wrote:
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The teachings of St Paul was approved of by St James, St Peter .
.........So far we can understand that even tho the Church of Jerusalem made compromise for the Gentiles only,...however they themselfs gathered to the Judaic Law including James, Peter and others....however Paul completely rejected the Law and led his own movement purely for the Gentiles. The Jews who accepted Jesus but followed the Law were indeed the follower of James and part of the church...they we called Ebonites....

Eusebius an Christian historian (263AD-339) wrote on Ebionites:

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3 There were others, however, besides them, that were of the same name (Ebionites), but avoided the strange and absurd beliefs of the former, and did not deny that the Lord was born of a virgin and of the Holy Spirit. But nevertheless, inasmuch as they also refused to acknowledge that he pre-existed, being God, Word, and Wisdom, they turned aside into the impiety of the former, especially when THEY, LIKE THEM ENDEAVOURED TO OBSERVED STRICTLY THE BODLY WORSHIP OF THE LAW.
4 THESE MEN MOREOVER, THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO REJECT ALL THE WRITINGS OF THE APOSTLE (PAUL) WHOM THEY CALLED AN APOSTATE FROM THE LAW;...
(Chapter XXVII. The Heresy of the Ebionites.)

There are many other early churches writing refuting them which shows how Paul succeeded to abolish something that was accepted by James and other in Jerusalem.

And lastly here is some writing owned by the Ebionites which revealed the truth about what was happening at the time of Peter. Don't forget that these Jews who believed in Jesus were part of the Church in Jerusalem led by James and that they strictly followed the Mosaic Law just like James and Peter and that the exception was only made for the Gentiles to bring them to the faith ....however Paul rejected the Law completely and created his own movement separated from James and Peter.

Clementine literature (also called Clementina, Pseudo-Clementine Writings, The Preaching of Peter, Kerygmata Petrou, Clementine Romance

This romance has come down to us in two forms: one form is called the Clementine Homilies, which consists of 20 books and exists in the original Greek; the other is called the Clementine Recognitions, for which the original Greek has been lost, but exists in a translation made by Tyrannius Rufinus (died 410)

This is the writing from Peter to James:

Peter to James, the lord and bishop of the holy Church, under the Father of all, through Jesus Christ, wishes peace always.1

.....in order, therefore, that the like may also happen to those among us as to these Seventy, give the books of my preachings to our brethren, with the like mystery of initiation, that they may indoctrinate those who wish to take part in teaching; for if it be not so done, our word of truth will be rent into many opinions.

And this I know, not as being a prophet, but as already seeing the beginning of this very evil. For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my legal preaching, attaching themselves to certain lawless and trifling preaching of THE MAN WHO IS MY ENEMY (???????)

And these things some have attempted while I am still alive, to transform my words by certain various interpretations, in order to the dissolution of the law; as though I also myself were of such a mind, but did not freely proclaim it, which God forbid! For such a thing were to act in opposition to the law of God which was spoken by Moses, and was borne witness to by our Lord in respect of its eternal continuance; for thus he spoke: "The heavens and the earth shall pass away, but one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law."3 And this He has said, that all things might come to pass.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#140 Jan 21, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
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.........So far we can understand that even tho the Church of Jerusalem made compromise for the Gentiles only,...however they themselfs gathered to the Judaic Law including James, Peter and others....however Paul completely rejected the Law and led his own movement purely for the Gentiles. The Jews who accepted Jesus but followed the Law were indeed the follower of James and part of the church...they we called Ebonites....
Eusebius an Christian historian (263AD-339) wrote on Ebionites:
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3 There were others, however, besides them, that were of the same name (Ebionites), but avoided the strange and absurd beliefs of the former, and did not deny that the Lord was born of a virgin and of the Holy Spirit. But nevertheless, inasmuch as they also refused to acknowledge that he pre-existed, being God, Word, and Wisdom, they turned aside into the impiety of the former, especially when THEY, LIKE THEM ENDEAVOURED TO OBSERVED STRICTLY THE BODLY WORSHIP OF THE LAW.
4 THESE MEN MOREOVER, THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO REJECT ALL THE WRITINGS OF THE APOSTLE (PAUL) WHOM THEY CALLED AN APOSTATE FROM THE LAW;...
(Chapter XXVII. The Heresy of the Ebionites.)
There are many other early churches writing refuting them which shows how Paul succeeded to abolish something that was accepted by James and other in Jerusalem.
And lastly here is some writing owned by the Ebionites which revealed the truth about what was happening at the time of Peter. Don't forget that these Jews who believed in Jesus were part of the Church in Jerusalem led by James and that they strictly followed the Mosaic Law just like James and Peter and that the exception was only made for the Gentiles to bring them to the faith ....however Paul rejected the Law completely and created his own movement separated from James and Peter.
Clementine literature (also called Clementina, Pseudo-Clementine Writings, The Preaching of Peter, Kerygmata Petrou, Clementine Romance
This romance has come down to us in two forms: one form is called the Clementine Homilies, which consists of 20 books and exists in the original Greek; the other is called the Clementine Recognitions, for which the original Greek has been lost, but exists in a translation made by Tyrannius Rufinus (died 410)
This is the writing from Peter to James:
Peter to James, the lord and bishop of the holy Church, under the Father of all, through Jesus Christ, wishes peace always.1
.....in order, therefore, that the like may also happen to those among us as to these Seventy, give the books of my preachings to our brethren, with the like mystery of initiation, that they may indoctrinate those who wish to take part in teaching; for if it be not so done, our word of truth will be rent into many opinions.
And this I know, not as being a prophet, but as already seeing the beginning of this very evil. For some from among the Gentiles have rejected my legal preaching, attaching themselves to certain lawless and trifling preaching of THE MAN WHO IS MY ENEMY (???????)
And these things some have attempted while I am still alive, to transform my words by certain various interpretations, in order to the dissolution of the law; as though I also myself were of such a mind, but did not freely proclaim it, which God forbid! For such a thing were to act in opposition to the law of God which was spoken by Moses, and was borne witness to by our Lord in respect of its eternal continuance; for thus he spoke: "The heavens and the earth shall pass away, but one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law."3 And this He has said, that all things might come to pass.
At the Council of Jerusalem the leaders of Jesus' Church blessed St Paul's mission because they had divine authority to do so. The following councils of Jesus' Church had equal divine authority and so we can be assured the teachings we now have in the Cathecism of the Catholic Church are in accordance with the will of God.

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#141 Jan 21, 2013
There were no Jews in Abraham's day. The title Jew was invented in 1775.
The other major sect of the Jews are the Sephardic Jews, and they are a bastard people from the mixing of the Canaanites, Hitites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites, Girgashites, Kenites, Edomites and some True Israelites. The JEWS HAVE NEVER BEEN ISRAELITES; THEY ARE NOT ISRAELITES NOW; AND THEY WILL NEVER BE ISRAELITES.
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Abraham, being a Hebrew, or descendant of Heber,“his descendants” would therefore be Hebrews, BUT THEIR DESCENDANTS ARE NOT JEWS! If they are, then Ishmael was a Jew and, as the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, that would make the Arabs Jews.
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Read...
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
george whyte

Ilford, UK

#142 Jan 21, 2013
so who are the jews in the bible kortan and torah then...lol
george whyte

Ilford, UK

#143 Jan 21, 2013
Timesten wrote:
There were no Jews in Abraham's day. The title Jew was invented in 1775.
The other major sect of the Jews are the Sephardic Jews, and they are a bastard people from the mixing of the Canaanites, Hitites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites, Girgashites, Kenites, Edomites and some True Israelites. The JEWS HAVE NEVER BEEN ISRAELITES; THEY ARE NOT ISRAELITES NOW; AND THEY WILL NEVER BE ISRAELITES.
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Abraham, being a Hebrew, or descendant of Heber,“his descendants” would therefore be Hebrews, BUT THEIR DESCENDANTS ARE NOT JEWS! If they are, then Ishmael was a Jew and, as the Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, that would make the Arabs Jews.
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Read...
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
how many times do you want to contradict your self in one post..lol

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