Was Abraham a Jew or Christian?

Was Abraham a Jew or Christian?

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Saladeen

Bristol, UK

#1 Dec 31, 2012
The Prophet Muhammad said, "Every human is born upon Fitrah ( natural inclination towards worshiping God alone). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian." (an authentic saying collected by well known scholar named Muslim )

O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), why do you argue about Abraham (whether he was Jew or Christian) while the Torah (after which the Judaism came to existence) and the Gospel (after which the Christianity came to existence) were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reflect?
(Holy Quran 3:65)

"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [one who submits to God]. And he was not of the polytheistis ( one who worship others beside God )
(Holy Quran chapter 3)

"Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to God ] and this prophet and those who believe [in his (Abraham's) message]. And Allah is the Protector of the believers".(Holy Quran chapter 3)

"And whoever desires other way of life than Islam (Submission to God ) as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
(Holy Quran chapter 3)

"So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. The fitrah of Allah ( natural inclination towards worshiping God alone) upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know." (Holy Quran 30:30)
Seriously

Netherlands

#2 Dec 31, 2012
Abraham was a “Hebrew”
The designation is first used for Abram, distinguishing him thereby from his Amorite neighbors.(Ge 14:13) Thereafter, in virtually every case of its use, the term “Hebrew(s)” continues to be employed as a contrasting or distinguishing designation—the one speaking is of a non-Israelite nation (Ge 39:13, 14, 17; 41:12; Ex 1:16; 1Sa 4:6, 9), or is an Israelite addressing a foreigner (Ge 40:15; Ex 1:19; 2:7; Jon 1:9), or foreigners are mentioned (Ge 43:32; Ex 1:15; 2:11-13; 1Sa 13:3-7).
As the above texts show, the designation “Hebrew” was already familiar to the Egyptians in the 18th century B.C.E. This would seem to indicate that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had become quite well known over a wide area, thus making the appellative “Hebrew” a recognizable one. When Joseph spoke of “the land of the Hebrews”(Ge 40:15) to two of Pharaoh’s servants, he doubtless referred to the region around Hebron that his father and forefathers had long made a sort of base of operations. Some six centuries later the Philistines still spoke of the Israelites as “Hebrews.” During the time of King Saul “Hebrews” and “Israel” were equivalent terms.(1Sa 13:3-7; 14:11; 29:3) In the ninth century B.C.E. the prophet Jonah identified himself as a Hebrew to sailors (possibly Phoenicians) on a boat out of the seaport of Joppa.(Jon 1:9) The Law also distinguished “Hebrew” slaves from those of other races or nationalities (Ex 21:2; De 15:12), and in referring to this, the book of Jeremiah (in the seventh century B.C.E.) shows the term “Hebrew” to be then the equivalent of “Jew.”—Jer 34:8, 9, 13, 14.
In later periods Greek and Roman writers regularly called the Israelites either “Hebrews” or “Jews,” not “Israelites.”
Michael

United States

#3 Dec 31, 2012
Saladeen wrote:
The Prophet Muhammad said, "Every human is born upon Fitrah ( natural inclination towards worshiping God alone). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian." (an authentic saying collected by well known scholar named Muslim )
O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), why do you argue about Abraham (whether he was Jew or Christian) while the Torah (after which the Judaism came to existence) and the Gospel (after which the Christianity came to existence) were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reflect?
(Holy Quran 3:65)
"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [one who submits to God]. And he was not of the polytheistis ( one who worship others beside God )
(Holy Quran chapter 3)
"Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to God ] and this prophet and those who believe [in his (Abraham's) message]. And Allah is the Protector of the believers".(Holy Quran chapter 3)
"And whoever desires other way of life than Islam (Submission to God ) as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
(Holy Quran chapter 3)
"So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. The fitrah of Allah ( natural inclination towards worshiping God alone) upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know." (Holy Quran 30:30)
I have a few questions and it not intended to cause you any strife. Abraham did predate the Torah, Gospel and Quran. According to what you have said a muslim is one who submits to the one God. My question is that according to Muslims I have talked to Allah and Yahweh the God of Israel are one in the same. So therefor would you say that any that believe in the one God (Christians and Jews) are muslim? How could islam be practiced thousands of years ago if the religion didn't appear until 1400 years ago? what was the need for the quran? If I'm wrong on anything I've said please feel free to correct me.

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#4 Dec 31, 2012
Saladeen wrote:
The Prophet Muhammad said, "Every human is born upon Fitrah ( natural inclination towards worshiping God alone). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian." (an authentic saying collected by well known scholar named Muslim )
O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), why do you argue about Abraham (whether he was Jew or Christian) while the Torah (after which the Judaism came to existence) and the Gospel (after which the Christianity came to existence) were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reflect?
(Holy Quran 3:65)
"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [one who submits to God]. And he was not of the polytheistis ( one who worship others beside God )
(Holy Quran chapter 3)
"Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who followed him [in submission to God ] and this prophet and those who believe [in his (Abraham's) message]. And Allah is the Protector of the believers".(Holy Quran chapter 3)
"And whoever desires other way of life than Islam (Submission to God ) as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."
(Holy Quran chapter 3)
"So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. The fitrah of Allah ( natural inclination towards worshiping God alone) upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know." (Holy Quran 30:30)
Abraham was the first to believe in the God of Israel, so is considered the first Jew. Niether Islam nor Christianity existed then, so obviously he was not Christian nor Muslim
Saladeen

Bristol, UK

#5 Dec 31, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>I have a few questions and it not intended to cause you any strife. Abraham did predate the Torah, Gospel and Quran. According to what you have said a muslim is one who submits to the one God. My question is that according to Muslims I have talked to Allah and Yahweh the God of Israel are one in the same. So therefor would you say that any that believe in the one God (Christians and Jews) are muslim? How could islam be practiced thousands of years ago if the religion didn't appear until 1400 years ago? what was the need for the quran? If I'm wrong on anything I've said please feel free to correct me.
The name Christianity or Judaism is based on a historical event therefore it didn't exist before it accurred.
For example the fundamental believe of Chritianity is to believe in Jesus death and Resurection but what was the riligious belief of Jesus Christ?
Wasn't it to submit to God?
And the name Judaism came from Judah who was one of the twelve sons of Jacob who was the son of Moses so really the name didn't exist before Moses......but shouldn't all the Prophets came from the same God and with the same religion and same message?
Islam teaches that all the Prophets came with the same religion as the way of life and that is to submit to God and with the same message...that there is no one worthy of worship but Him.
Each Prophet came with the same teaching about God.
However people always corrupted these teaching creating their own picture of God and twisting His Law to fit it to their desires and so God didn't send the Quran as something new but as to direct the people to the original religion and belief of the previous Prophets.
Saladeen

Bristol, UK

#6 Dec 31, 2012
Lipush wrote:
<quoted text>
Abraham was the first to believe in the God of Israel, so is considered the first Jew. Niether Islam nor Christianity existed then, so obviously he was not Christian nor Muslim
No...Abraham was one who submitted to God by sacrifice of his son.

The words Islam and Muslim comes from the same root world "taslima" which means to submit.

Muslim lituraly means "the one who submits"

The world Jew started to be practised after the tribe of Judah the son of Moses and did not exist at the time of Abraham and Schollars of Judaism know that very good.

They even accept that technically Islam (submition to God throw His Law....the Mosaic Law at the time of Moses)
is the correct way of life ( religion ).

Even at the time of Muhammad they did like the message as Islam is very identical with Judaism but they refuse to accept the man who brought it as he was non Israeli.
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#7 Jan 1, 2013
ISLAM PROPHECIZED IN THE BIBLE:

1 TIMOTHY 4
'The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.'

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#8 Jan 1, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
<quoted text>
No...Abraham was one who submitted to God by sacrifice of his son.
The words Islam and Muslim comes from the same root world "taslima" which means to submit.
Muslim lituraly means "the one who submits"
The world Jew started to be practised after the tribe of Judah the son of Moses and did not exist at the time of Abraham and Schollars of Judaism know that very good.
They even accept that technically Islam (submition to God throw His Law....the Mosaic Law at the time of Moses)
is the correct way of life ( religion ).
Even at the time of Muhammad they did like the message as Islam is very identical with Judaism but they refuse to accept the man who brought it as he was non Israeli.
The Tribes are not named upon the sons of Moses but the sons of Jacob, also called Israel.

Since Abraham was the first to believe in the God of Israel (meaning the 7 ancestors of Israel) is considered to be from the people of Israel, took the burden upon himself, the only part of Israel which survived was the tribe of Judea.

Judaism started from the creation of the first man and is untill today, for Judaism is not only from the times of the Tribes, but since the time of believing in God, that even before Abraham, since Noah spoke to God as well.

Abraham was Israeli because he made the pact with God, that was actually his "Giyur" (conversion to the faith in God) and that is what made him the first Jew (=believing in the God of Israel)

Not Islam nor Christianity existed at the time, since no Christ nor Jesus were born yet:)

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#9 Jan 1, 2013
All of the prophets were Jews, btw.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#10 Jan 1, 2013
Lipush wrote:
All of the prophets were Jews, btw.
So were all the Apostles, but whether Abraham was a Jew or a Christian, he certainly wasn't a muslim?

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#11 Jan 1, 2013
Well the Muslims think otherwise

“M.A....Rise”

Since: Jan 12

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#12 Jan 1, 2013
Prophet abraham was not jew nor christian

He was muslim like his granfather Noah

There is no jewish prophets but muslim prophets
Biblyos

West Grove, PA

#13 Jan 1, 2013
Well, i must say also there is no verifiable tangible evidence that Abraham, Ishmael,Isaac, Jacob, Moses and Jesus and all prophets were in the religion of Christian or Judaism.

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#14 Jan 1, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
Prophet abraham was not jew nor christian
He was muslim like his granfather Noah
There is no jewish prophets but muslim prophets
All prophets are from the people of Israel, one who's not is no prophets.

And Abraham was the first prophet of Israel, after the Tzaddik Noach.
Saladeen

Bristol, UK

#15 Jan 1, 2013
Lipush wrote:
<quoted text>
The Tribes are not named upon the sons of Moses but the sons of Jacob, also called Israel.
Since Abraham was the first to believe in the God of Israel (meaning the 7 ancestors of Israel) is considered to be from the people of Israel, took the burden upon himself, the only part of Israel which survived was the tribe of Judea.
Judaism started from the creation of the first man and is untill today, for Judaism is not only from the times of the Tribes, but since the time of believing in God, that even before Abraham, since Noah spoke to God as well.
Abraham was Israeli because he made the pact with God, that was actually his "Giyur" (conversion to the faith in God) and that is what made him the first Jew (=believing in the God of Israel)
Not Islam nor Christianity existed at the time, since no Christ nor Jesus were born yet:)
I do agree that the concept of Judaism which is to submit to God's Law and His will originates from the time of the creation of man however the name doesn't. Rather it started to be use after the tribes and so to call the religion of all the prophets "submition" is more correct since all of them and as are to submits to God's Law....this was the religion of all Prophets sent by God.

The name Israel refers to Nation created after Jacob the son of Moses...every one born after the tribes who was the descendant of Moses was refer to as Israeli.

The nation of Israel didn't exist at the time of Abraham and it has nothing to do with him....rather he was from his own nation which was Babylon today Iraq (middle East).

“M.A....Rise”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#16 Jan 1, 2013
Lipush wrote:
<quoted text>
All prophets are from the people of Israel, one who's not is no prophets.
And Abraham was the first prophet of Israel, after the Tzaddik Noach.
Thats your jewish propaganda

Adrees was not israeli

Noah was not israeli

Hud was not israeli

salah was not israeli

yunus was not israeli

Ayoub was not israeli

you want more?

Of course your jewish rabbies removed these prophets from original torah, because they came before abraham

there were numerous prophets before prophet abraham

you believe the world is all jewish.

you believe humans were on earth since only 7000 years old ( thats why your western archaeologists fabricated ancient egyptian history and gave fake history for egypt).

lol no surprise, believe what you want

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#17 Jan 2, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
<quoted text> Thats your jewish propaganda
That is what the Torah says

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#18 Jan 2, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
<quoted text> Thats your jewish propaganda
Adrees was not israeli
Noah was not israeli
Hud was not israeli
salah was not israeli
yunus was not israeli
Ayoub was not israeli
you want more?
Of course your jewish rabbies removed these prophets from original torah, because they came before abraham
there were numerous prophets before prophet abraham
you believe the world is all jewish.
you believe humans were on earth since only 7000 years old ( thats why your western archaeologists fabricated ancient egyptian history and gave fake history for egypt).
lol no surprise, believe what you want
When you name those in their Arabic way of saying, I have difficulties understanding to you you refer.

And I am not the one to listen to Rabbis, but the one to read the texts.

And the text says clearly that the prophet chosen in a specific time period is only one from the people of Israel.

That is why Jews don't, and never believed, that Muhammad was a prophet.

(and noah was not a prophet either, he was a Tzaddik, but never refered to as a prophet. Not any Israelite/Jew is a prophet).

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#19 Jan 2, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
<quoted text> Thats your jewish propaganda
Adrees was not israeli
Noah was not israeli
Hud was not israeli
salah was not israeli
yunus was not israeli
Ayoub was not israeli
you want more?
Of course your jewish rabbies removed these prophets from original torah, because they came before abraham
there were numerous prophets before prophet abraham
you believe the world is all jewish.
you believe humans were on earth since only 7000 years old ( thats why your western archaeologists fabricated ancient egyptian history and gave fake history for egypt).
lol no surprise, believe what you want
"you believe the world is Jewish".

No, I believe all prophets were. And that's no matter of faith, that simply how it was.

It's YOU guys saying all prophets were Muslim, so to who you're pointing the blaming finger upon?

“Proud Southerner”

Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#20 Jan 2, 2013
Saladeen wrote:
<quoted text>
I do agree that the concept of Judaism which is to submit to God's Law and His will originates from the time of the creation of man however the name doesn't. Rather it started to be use after the tribes and so to call the religion of all the prophets "submition" is more correct since all of them and as are to submits to God's Law....this was the religion of all Prophets sent by God.
The name Israel refers to Nation created after Jacob the son of Moses...every one born after the tribes who was the descendant of Moses was refer to as Israeli.
The nation of Israel didn't exist at the time of Abraham and it has nothing to do with him....rather he was from his own nation which was Babylon today Iraq (middle East).
the name Israel refers to the ancestors.

I- also pronounced like Y, Stands for Yitzchak (Isaac) and Ya'acov

S- Stands for Sarah

R- stands for Rebecca

(A) is not being pronounced in Hebrew

E- like (A) stands for Abraham

L- stands for Lea

Only later it refers to Jacob himself.

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