sosadtoknow

Singapore, Singapore

#1670 Mar 12, 2013
I was born a muslim, I was so sad about the ugly truth about muslim that I became atheism...
hafsa

Satellite Provider

#1672 Mar 29, 2013
muslima wrote:
Islam is # 1 religion in the world in the real world.Its
just you think its not just in this forum .
u ar ryt muslim we have to b proud in our religion.
fayoom

Ashburn, VA

#1673 May 31, 2013
good morning my all dear friends
Zaheer

Arlington, TX

#1674 May 31, 2013
muslima wrote:
Islam is the most popular religion in the world , no1 religion in the world , people who join Islam we christians, Jews, athestist etc.WHY do THey become Muslim , reason is what you all believe and think about Islam is fabrications.
I think the basic reason why Islam is becoming so popular is beacuse it is an honest and compassionate religion with lost of practical wisdom, spiritual wealth and it insists on good family values.

ISLAM is comming no matter what HATERS DO!!!!

Die schnellst wachsende Religion der Welt.
www.diewahrereligion.de www.way-to-Allah.com
www.islamvoice.de

Islam the true religion of Almighty God !
Make your own mind up. Join the family of humanity! Dont be brain washed by the media. Find out what is Islam and why it gives humanity the answer. There is no difference between people in Islam. We are all brothers and sisters. Islam has the answer from climate change on a global scale to peace in your heart and mind.
Be real: we all face the stress of life but in Islam there is inner peace.

www.islamvoice.de www.diewahrereligion.de
www.way-to-Allah.com

Family Member of 9/11 Victims Converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Islam is religion of future- Jewish Rabbi: Sanhedrin Rabbi Abraham is a Historian from Israel. He gave a talk in Turkey About Similarities Between Islam & Judaism,. He agrees that muslim God is the same as jewish God . The jewish where called Muslims and Judaism where called Islam . The second part of the vidoe you will watch Abdulraheem Green talking about the Rabbi of Maddina at the time of the Prophet peace be up to him
and half of them converted to Islam . The end of the vidoe proof of the prophet Muhamed mentioned by name in Hebrow scriptures in songs of songs , the verse was reading by a rabbi .
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Jewish rabbi proves that Muhamed is a prophet.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Top Bible scholar leaves Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#1675 May 31, 2013
Zaheer wrote:
<quoted text>

Dont be brain washed by the media. Find out what is Islam
I'm glad you agree that the media is telling lies about islam and muslims. They keep telling us that islam is peaceful.

What a crock! We can see the proof every day. We see more muslims murdering innocent people, right on the street in broad daylight. And they are proud of it, and other muslims celebrate the murders. Certainly, there is no peace in islam.

Did you want to try again mujahid?
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1676 Jun 1, 2013
muslima wrote:
Islam is the most popular religion in the world , no1 religion in the world , people who join Islam we christians, Jews, athestist etc.WHY do THey become Muslim , reason is what you all believe and think about Islam is fabrications.
So is the Cockroaches
Mohammad kathab

UK

#1677 Jun 1, 2013
Yea but the muslims are more disgusting than the Cockroaches
Mujahid

Arlington, TX

#1678 Jun 1, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm glad you agree that the media is telling lies about islam and muslims. They keep telling us that islam is peaceful.
What a crock! We can see the proof every day. We see more muslims murdering innocent people, right on the street in broad daylight. And they are proud of it, and other muslims celebrate the murders. Certainly, there is no peace in islam.
Did you want to try again mujahid?
The Muslims live in this country as law-abiding citizens. They are not here to convert you or compell you to become Muslim, That will be your decision.

Muslims are not here to take away your toaster, TV or laptop.
But, they are here to be a progressive and positive force and continue to live as Muslims and spread Islam also.
Those who are converting to Islam in America are doing with their own will.
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1679 Jun 1, 2013
Zaheer wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the basic reason why Islam is becoming so popular is beacuse it is an honest and compassionate religion with lost of practical wisdom, spiritual wealth and it insists on good family values.
ISLAM is comming no matter what HATERS DO!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =imuvufSy5ooXX
Die schnellst wachsende Religion der Welt.
www.diewahrereligion.de www.way-to-Allah.com
www.islamvoice.de
Islam the true religion of Almighty God !
Make your own mind up. Join the family of humanity! Dont be brain washed by the media. Find out what is Islam and why it gives humanity the answer. There is no difference between people in Islam. We are all brothers and sisters. Islam has the answer from climate change on a global scale to peace in your heart and mind.
Be real: we all face the stress of life but in Islam there is inner peace.
www.islamvoice.de www.diewahrereligion.de
www.way-to-Allah.com
Family Member of 9/11 Victims Converts to Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Islam is religion of future- Jewish Rabbi: Sanhedrin Rabbi Abraham is a Historian from Israel. He gave a talk in Turkey About Similarities Between Islam & Judaism,. He agrees that muslim God is the same as jewish God . The jewish where called Muslims and Judaism where called Islam . The second part of the vidoe you will watch Abdulraheem Green talking about the Rabbi of Maddina at the time of the Prophet peace be up to him
and half of them converted to Islam . The end of the vidoe proof of the prophet Muhamed mentioned by name in Hebrow scriptures in songs of songs , the verse was reading by a rabbi .
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Jewish rabbi proves that Muhamed is a prophet.wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Top Bible scholar leaves Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Islam is becoming so popular is beacuse it is an honest and compassionate religion with lost of practical wisdom?????????? Hmmmm lets see

What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...
Violence




Question:
Does the Quran really contain dozens of verses promoting violence?

Summary Answer:
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.

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Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1680 Jun 1, 2013
The Quran:
Quran (2:191-193)- "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:244)- "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216)- "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56)- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151)- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74)- "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76)- "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

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Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1681 Jun 1, 2013

Quran (4:89)- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95)- "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.(The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

Quran (4:104)- "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33)- "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12)- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15)- "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.(16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39)- "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:293, also). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1682 Jun 1, 2013
Quran (8:57)- "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:59-60)- "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65)- "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5)- "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14)- "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."
Quran (9:20)- "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29)- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,(even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30)- "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:38-39)- "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Contd
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1683 Jun 1, 2013
Quran (9:41)- "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42)- "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long,(and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

Quran (9:73)- "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

Quran (9:88)- "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."

Quran (9:111)- "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."

Quran (9:123)- "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16)- "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

Quran (18:65-81)- This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.(Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
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Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1684 Jun 1, 2013
Quran (21:44)- "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52)- "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Quran (33:60-62)- "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

Quran (47:3-4)- "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."

Quran (47:35)- "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

Quran (48:17)- "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
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Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1685 Jun 1, 2013
Quran (48:29)- "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.

Quran (61:4)- "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning war. This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

Quran (61:10-12)- "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!(If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Quran (66:9)- "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1686 Jun 1, 2013
And thats only from your Quran ,,, there is the hadeeth too

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#1687 Jun 1, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
The Muslims live in this country as law-abiding citizens. They are not here to convert you or compell you to become Muslim, That will be your decision.
Muslims are not here to take away your toaster, TV or laptop.
But, they are here to be a progressive and positive force and continue to live as Muslims and spread Islam also.
Those who are converting to Islam in America are doing with their own will.
Liar. You have stated repeatedly (and the Mods keep removing!) that islam will take over the US.

By the way, it's not peaceful when muslims blow up women and children at crowded public events, and it's not peaceful to whack people up.

It's also not peaceful when other muslims celebrate those attacks.
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1688 Jun 1, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
The Muslims live in this country as law-abiding citizens. They are not here to convert you or compell you to become Muslim, That will be your decision.
Muslims are not here to take away your toaster, TV or laptop.
But, they are here to be a progressive and positive force and continue to live as Muslims and spread Islam also.
Those who are converting to Islam in America are doing with their own will.
I can tell from your name Mujahid you are not telling the truth,,, What is it about you are not taking toaster, laptop,Tv,etc,etc, what stupid thought that you have, who cares about items,,,, your islamic thoughts, ideas, teaching is the problem not a toaster you idiot!!! killing, bombing, lying, deceiving, filth, that is the problems not a toaster, tv, laptop I feel pity for you
Mohammad kathab

Madison Heights, MI

#1689 Jun 1, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
The Muslims live in this country as law-abiding citizens. They are not here to convert you or compell you to become Muslim, That will be your decision.
Muslims are not here to take away your toaster, TV or laptop.
But, they are here to be a progressive and positive force and continue to live as Muslims and spread Islam also.
Those who are converting to Islam in America are doing with their own will.
Your name Mujahid means fighter in arabic !!!! Go figure
Simon

UK

#1690 Jun 1, 2013
Say no to hate wrote:
(Reuters)- Islam has overtaken Roman Catholicism as the biggest single religious denomination in the world, the Vatican said on Sunday Mar 30, 2008.
Follow Link:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/03/30/uk-v...
Gosh you are an ignoremus! To say that there are more muslims then catholics does not mean that there are more muslims then christians. Catholics are only one denomination of christianity like the shias in islam.

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