Hare Allah - Islamic Hindu Vedic Origin
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#1 May 12, 2008
Here is an interesting article I found about the Hinduism as the origin or Islam. Read below (in multiple posts)...
Many centuries before prophet Muhammad and the destructive advent of Islam, Arabia or Arabistan was an extremely rich and glorious center of Vedic civilization. In this article, I will prove to you point by point that pre-Islamic Arabia was in fact a flourishing civilization which revered Vedic culture.
It is the prophet Muhammad and the followers of Islam who are fully responsible for the dissemination and destruction of this once glorious culture.
In learning about this most ancient heritage, let's begin with the word Arabistan itself. Arabistan is derived from the original Sanskrit term Arvasthan which means The Land of Horses. Since time immemorial proponents of the Vedic culture used to breed exceptional horses in this region. Thus eventually the land itself began to be called Arva (Horses)-Sthan (place). The people who lived in this land were called Semitic. Semitic comes from the Sanskrit word Smritic. Arabs followed the ancient Vedic Smritis such as Manu-Smriti as their revered religious guides and thus they were identified as Smritic which has been corrupted into Semitic.
At that time the Uttarapath (Northern Highway) was the international highway to the North of India. It was via Uttarapath that Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries drew their spiritual, educational and material sustenance from India. Besides, this Sea-links were formed with India at least 800 years before the advent of Islam. Basra was the ancient gateway to India because it was at this port that the Arab lands recieved Indian goods and visitors. At that time the spoken language was Sanskrit, which later dwindled into the local variation that we now call Arabic. The proof of this is that thousands of words that were derived from Sanskrit still survive in Arabic today. Here is a sampling of some:
Sanskrit Arabic English
Sagwan Saj Teakwood
Vish Besh Poison
Anusari Ansari Follower
Shishya Sheikh Disciple
Mrityu Mout Death
Pra-Ga-ambar Paigambar One from heaven
Maleen Malaun Dirty or soiled
Aapati Aafat Misfortune
Karpas Kaifas Cotton
Karpur Kafur Camphor
Pramukh Barmak Chief
Even various kinds of swords were referred to as Handuwani, Hindi, Saif-Ul-Hind, Muhannid and Hinduani. The Sanskrit Astronomical treatise Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta in Arabic translation is known as Sind-Hind, while another treatise Khanda-Khadyaka was called Arkand. Mathematics itself was called Hindisa .
The Arabs derived technical guidance in every branch of study such as astronomy, mathematics and physics from India. A noted scholar of history, W.H. Siddiqui notes:
"The Arab civilization grew up intensively
as well as extensively on the riches of
Indian trade and commerce. Nomadic Arab
tribes became partially settled communities
and some of them lived within walled towns practised agriculture and commerce, wroteon wood and stone, feared the gods and honored the kings."
#2 May 12, 2008
Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by name:(The English translation is in black)
"Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha
"Oh the divine land of HIND (India)
(how) very blessed art thou!
Because thou art the chosen
of God blessed with knowledge"
"Wahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi
akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur
-rasu minal HINDATUN "
"That celestial knowledge which like
four lighthouses shone in such
brilliance - through the (utterances of)
Indian sages in fourfold abundance."
"Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen
Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun
"God enjoins on all humans,
follow with hands down
The path the Vedas with his divine
precept lay down."
"Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR
Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an
"Bursting with (Divine) knowledge
are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation,
Hence brothers respect and
follow the Vedas, guides to salvation"
"Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin
Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun"
"Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us
fraternity, Sheltering under their
lustre dispels darkness till eternity"
This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C. That was 2300 years before Mohammed!!! This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.
That the Vedas were the religious scriptures to which the Arabs owed allegiance as early as 1800 B.C. proves not only the antiquity of the Vedas but also the existence of Indian rule over the entire region from the Indus to the Mediterranean, because it is a fact of history that the religion of the ruler is practised by his subjects.
Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Muhammad. Again let's refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem was written by Jirrham Bintoi who lived 165 years before the prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India's great King Vikramaditya who had lived 500 years before Bintoi.(The English translation is in red).
Bikramatul phehalameen Karimun
Yubee qaid min howa
Yaphakharu phajgal asari
nahans Osirim Bayjayholeen
Yaha sabdunya Kanateph natephi
bijihalin Atadari Bilala masaurateen
phakef Tasabahu. Kaunni eja majakaralhada
walhada Achimiman, burukan, Kad, Toluho
watastaru Bihillaha yakajibainana
Phaheya jaunabil amaray Bikramatoon"
-(Sair-ul-Okul, Page 315)
.. continue ..
#3 May 12, 2008
"Fortunate are those who were born
during King Vikram's reign, he was
a noble generous, dutiful ruler devoted
to the welfare of his subjects. But at
that time, We Arabs oblivious of divinity
were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting
& torture were rampant. The darkness of
ignorance had enveloped our country.
Like the lamb struggling for its life
in the cruel jaws of a wolf, we Arabs
were gripped by ignorance. The whole
country was enveloped in a darkness as
intense as on a New moon night. But the
present dawn & pleasant sunshine of
education is the result of the favor of
that noble king Vikram whose benevolence
did not lose sight of us foreigners as we
were. He spread his sacred culture amongst
us and sent scholars from his own land
whose brilliance shone like that of the sun
in our country. These scholars & preceptors
through whose benevolence we were once again
made aware of the presence of god, introduced
to his secret knowledge & put on the road to
truth, had come to our country to initiate us
in that culture & impart education."
Thus we can see that Vedic religion and culture were present in Pre-Islamic Arabia as early as 1850 B.C., and definitely present at the time of Mohammed's birth.
In his book Origines, Volumes 3 & 4", Sir W. Drummond adds:
"Tsabaism was the universal language of mankind when Abraham received his call, their doctrines were probably extended all over the civilized nations of Earth."
Tsabaism is merely the corruption of the word Shaivism which is Vedic religion. On page 439 of this book, Sir Drummond mentions some of gods of pre-Islamic Arabs, all of which were included in the 360 idols that were consecrated in the Kaba shrine before it was raided and destroyed by Muhammad and his followers. Here are some of the Vedic deities and their original Sanskrit names:
Arabic Sanskrit English
Al-Dsaizan Shani Saturn
Al-Ozi or Ozza Oorja Divine energy
Al-Sharak Shukra Venus
Auds Uddhav -
Bag Bhagwan God
Bajar Vajra Indra's thunderbolt
Kabar Kuber God of wealth
Dar Indra King of gods
Dua Shara Deveshwar Lord of the gods
Habal Bahubali Lord of strength
Madan Madan God of love
Manaph Manu First Man
Manat Somnath Lord Shiv
Obodes Bhoodev Earth
Razeah Rajesh King of kings
Saad Siddhi God of Luck
Sair Shree Goddess of wealth
Sakiah Shakrah Indra
Sawara Shiva-Eshwar God Shiva
Yauk Yaksha Divine being
Wad Budh Mercury
The Kaba temple which was misappropriated and captured by Muslims was originally an International Vedic Shrine. The ancient Vedic scripture Harihareswar Mahatmya mentions that Lord Vishnu's footprints are consecrated in Mecca. An important clue to this fact is that Muslims call this holy precint Haram which is a deviation of the Sanskrit term Hariyam
#4 May 12, 2008
"Ekam Padam Gayayantu
Divyam Muktyai Shuklasya Sannidhau"
The allusion is to the Vamana incarnation of Lord Vishnu whose blessed feet were consecrated at three holy sites, namely Gaya, Mecca and Shukla Teertha. Worshipping such carved, holy foot impressions is a holy Vedic custom which convert Muslims are inadvertently perpetuating. But in doing this they delude themselves and mislead others that these foot-impressions which are on reverential display in several mosques and tombs around the world are in fact Muhammad's own. There are several snags in this argument. Firstly worshipping a foot -impression amounts to idolatry and should therefore be taboo for a true Muslim. Secondly Muhhamad disclaimed having performed any miracles. Therefore there can be no foot-impression of his on stone. Thirdly foot-impressions must always be in pairs like shoes. Yet in most of these shrines, it is usually a single footprint which suggests that Muhammad walked on only one foot. Another question that crops up is whether the foot-impression is of the same size and foot in all the shrines. The fact appears to be that when the Vedic Kaba shrine in Mecca was invaded by Muhammad, the pairs of foot impressions of Vedic deities there were plundered and later traded to the gullible and devout as Muhammad's own footprints for some favour, reward or personal gain by unscrupulous muslims. That is why they are single and not in pairs.
The Shiv Ling at The Kaba. It was broken in seven
places and now is held together by a silver band.
The Black Stone which is the Shiv Emblem (also known as Sange Aswad which is a corrupted form of the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta--meaning non-white stone) still survives in the Kaba as the central object of Islamic veneration. All other Vedic Idols could be found buried in the precincts or trampled underfoot in labyrinthine subterranean corridors if archaeological excavations are undertaken. The Black Stone has been badly mutilated, its carved base has disappeared and the stone itself is broken at seven places. It's parts are now held together by a silver band studded with silver nails. It lies half buried in the South Eastern portion of the Kaba Wall (Refer to Figure 1). The term Kaba itself is a corruption of the Sanskrit word Gabha (Garbha + Graha) which means Sanctum.
In addition, in the inscriptions from Hajja and its neighborhood was found a votive vessel dedicated by members of two tribes called Rama and Somia. Rama and Soma are Vedic deities, Rama is of the Solar dynasty and Soma is of the Lunar Dynasty. The moon god was called by various names in pre-Islamic times , one of them was Allah. Allah had 3 children, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat. Al-Lat and Al-Uzza were both feminine deities. Alla is another name for the Hindu goddess Durga. It is obvious that the goddess Al-Lat was Alla (Durga) and Al-Uzza was Oorja (energy or life force also known as Shakti). Manat was none other than Somnath which is another name for Lord Shiva. One significant point to note that Soma in Sanskrit means Moon and Nath means Lord. Thus the Kaba itself was dedicated to the Moon God Somnath alias Shiv and the word Somnath was corrupted to Manat. The famous Black Stone is none other than the ShivLing of Makkeshwar alias Mecca. Lord Shiva is always shown with a crescent Moon on his head and every Shiva temple is supposed to have a sacred water spring representing the Ganges. The Crescent Moon pinnacle of the Kaba and the Zamzam spring (actually Zamza from Ganga) are irrefutable testaments to the Vedic origins of the Kaba.
#5 May 12, 2008
Figure 2 below depicts the image of Maqam-E-Ibrahim in the Kaba.
Maqam-E-Ibrahim or more appropriately the pedestal of Brahma.
Muslims from all over the world pay homage to this shrine. This shrine is actually the pedestal of Brahma. Notice that the word, Ibrahim is actually a corruption of the word, Brahma. The octogonal grill which is a Vedic design, protects the holy footprints which represent the start of the creation nearly 2000 million years ago. Before it was captured by the Muslims it was an international shrine of the Vedic trinity.
In fact the names of the holiest of Muslim cities Mecca and Medina come from the Sanskrit words Makha-Medini which means the land of Fire-Worship. Even the most ancient names of these 2 cities were Mahcorava- which came from Mahadeva (Lord Shiva) and Yathrabn - which came from Yatra-Sthan (place of pilgrimage).
Islam came into being about 1372 years ago. It is well known that over 7500 years ago, at the time of the Mahabharat War, Kurus ruled the world. The scions of that family administered the different regions. Prophet Muhammed himself and his family were adherents of Vedic culture. The Encyclopedia Islamia admits as much when it says: "Muhammed's grandfather and uncles were hereditary priests of the Kaba temple which housed 360 idols!"
According to Arab traditions, Muhammad is a title. We do not know what name his parents had given him. We do however know that the central object of worship which survives at the Kaba today is a Shivling. That was allowed to remain there because that was the faceless family deity of Muhammad's family. One of the original names of Lord Shiv is Mahadev (The Great God) therefore it is entirely possible Muhammad came from Mahadev. This appears fairly certain because the Arabs still have a Mahadevi sect. Moreover the title Mehdi of a Muslim chief is also a malpronounciation of the term Mahadeva. According to Sanskrit etymology the term Muhammad implies 'a person of great inspiration'-'Mahan Madah yasya assau Muhammadah' In a hostile sense it also implies 'a person of a proud and haughty temperament'.
The Qurayshi tribe into which Mohammed was born was particularly devoted to Allah and and the three children of the Moon God. Therefore when Muhammad decided to create his own Divine religion, he took innumerable aspects of the daily Vedic culture that surrounded him and corrupted them to suit his needs. It was with the advent of the Prophet and Islam that the death-knell of the glorious Arab culture was sounded. With Islam came the flood of destruction, murder, plunder and crime that destroyed the great Vedic heritage of Arabs. The Prophet merely took some existing artefacts and terms and corrupted them so profoundly that no one would be able to discover their actual origins.
In my next article, I will elaborate further on the Vedic Heritage of Arabia.
Note: Works of P.N. Oak and Robert A. Morey have been used to compose this article.
#6 May 12, 2008
This is where I found this :
#7 May 12, 2008
That would explain why Muhammad hated pagans. He had destroyed a civilisation and replaced it with a religion of destruction.
#8 May 12, 2008
1st of all muhammad did not destroed any civilaization instead fogave all the maccans who tried 2 kill him and tourchured hin.
Yes it is true that prophet muhammad destroyed pagan culture wat ever it is vedic ,pauline christian paganism or any other form.
Destroying paganism does not mean destroying a civilaization.
Instead prophet muhammad constructed the arab civilaization frm dark ages 2 the age of light.
So just give a damn 2 yr comment.
N plz dnt bring this poor boaring refuted claim allah pegan god stuff .
Allah comes frm a word al illah means the god in english.Its hebrew and armanic translation is eloha and alaha.
Even prior 2 muhammad time jews n christian even till this date use the word allah as their god and in their scripture.
The concept of god in islam is god is 1 n oly,he doesn't have any image,he is begoten 2 none and none is begoten 2 him.
If this concept mathes wid any thing any muslim will not have any problem 2 accept him as god.
Name is not important in islam but the concept is important.
we belive allah is allah ,means the god is the god.
Pagan meccans used 2 belibe hubbal is allah.
Menas hubaal is the god.
Christian belive jesus is allah means the god.
U just wasteed yr time wid this base less article.
lastly muhammad cast out the devil of paganism but the pauline cult imported lots of paganism belief such as trinity,resurection,son of god,saviour god,easter,christmass etc. 2 the pure monolethistic religion of abraham n of god 1 n oly.
#9 May 12, 2008
abcd xyz, you said "Pagan meccans used 2 belibe hubbal is allah.
Menas hubaal is the god.
Wao, what does that mean?
Izlam is a continution of Arab Paganism?
#10 May 12, 2008
WOW, I had no idea that Hindus help create islam. I thought abcd was arguing Hesus was a Hindu, but now we find mohammed was a hindu but changed it up to suit his lifestyle.
Say, are any of those Hindu gods pedophiles, slave drivers and murderers? If so, that would conclusively prove mohammed based his islamic religion on Hindu teachings.
#11 May 12, 2008
hello hind-u ok?
#12 May 12, 2008
Stones you have been cleverly covering up your hind-u past and present!
#13 May 12, 2008
For a so called Christian you approve Pagans a lot dont you?
You are of course an indian hind-u pagan moslem hater...
#14 May 12, 2008
you nutcase Rabbit, I cclaerly state in the beging of the post - that I found this article on the net and I am just posting. In fact I have not even fishined reading it yet.
"There is nothing more crazier than a psycho rabbit." - Caliph Umar.
Since: Feb 08
#15 May 12, 2008
'rabbi' no point insulting people, I think that stones has given very good proof of the connection between ancient arabia and India. Besides anyone can clearly see that the kaaba stone is a lingham. Can you refute this?
#16 May 12, 2008
What a load of bull!!
The Jewish people and Christians also refer to Abraham who is your Brahma! Therefore we all come from Hind-us!! Yippee!!
But we write from right to left and we do not worship statues.
We only worship the G-d of Abraham.
By deduction the G-d of Abraham (Brahma) is FAR superior to Brahma!
There are many Arabic/persian words borrowed in Indian languages.
Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew have loads more common words and phrases. Therefore Hebrew and Aramaic come from Linga-land too?
How very interestingly convoluted load of b/s!
Since: Feb 08
#17 May 12, 2008
I do not believe in this connection at all, but seeing muslims taking offense is priceless, so I say yes islam is an off-shoot of hinduism.
ha ha ha
Since: Feb 08
#18 May 12, 2008
And yes the Kaaba is a lingham too .... he he he
#19 May 12, 2008
Of course Rajesh-Lingham the hind-u liar from india will be sniff his/her way to defend his/her linga-yoni!
We knew it and we tested you.
You fall for it every time!
You are not very bright are you?
The Abrahamaic people do not worship linga and statues they worship only G-d who has no shape or form.
All these claims amount to complete nonsense as a result.
Please can you tell us if you are English or white European. We have asked you but you have not replied.
#20 May 12, 2008
You have displayed your pagan origin.
In an effort to discredit the religion you hate...you managed to shoot yourself in the foot!! lol..
BUT that is not the case because you are not a Christian - you are a hind-u.
We can only repeat out previous advice to you; Learn some English, otherwise your host country will chuck you out!
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