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Hard to "beat" your wife without leaving a mark.
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Hard to "beat" your wife without leaving a mark.
I've said this alot though. Meaning gets lost in translation...Arabic has many different variations of the word english people would refer to as " beat/ hit" for example the english would say " A cat got hit " or " He hit the cat " but in arabic the word for hit would be two different words.

As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, and beat them, but if they return to obedience, do not seek a means against them. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.

Firstly, The Qur'an refers to 2 other solutions first.
1stly = fa'izu = it says to talk to them so persuasively it will melt their hearts. Which is translated in english as...Admonish them...

2ndly = Hajara - Wahjaru = which means to seperate body from body and leave them alone in bed, Translated as "abandon them in bed" Abandon is a very negative word.

3rdly = This is obviously, the last resort. as it is 3rd in the line and By the time you leave your bed, your wife surely knows that you are not pleased with her. On that basis you are to apply "Dharaba" It has to be in line with the rules of the Qur'an and thus could mean : "set a clear example" "to set forth, to make a clear statement or proclamation" Yes it can also mean to beat but it is not beat up, it is more to beat something. Which is more in line with the oother meansings of it. The form of beat in the Qur'an is hushshu in surah taha and this does not derive from dharaba at all. Arabic has different words for different circumstances and then different form of the word for different circumstances. Many times in the Qur'an Allah uses dharaba to say " Allah sets forth" not "Allah beats" lol. It's saying set forth for her the clear meaning of either straighten up or else we are finished and when she returns to proper behavior take up sharing the bed with her again. It is no way in shape of form saying to beat your wives! Like i said, things get lost in translation, even for muslims that read arabic. They can look at Dharaba and think ooh beat. Oooh i will hit my wife. But there is a hadith from bukhari that says " Never beat God's Handmaidens"
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Hard to "beat" your wife without leaving a mark.
When i said " to beat something " i mean as in..I will beat this evil as in to win over it...
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I've said this alot though. Meaning gets lost in translation...Arabic has many different variations of the word english people would refer to as " beat/ hit" for example the english would say " A cat got hit " or " He hit the cat " but in arabic the word for hit would be two different words.
As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, and beat them, but if they return to obedience, do not seek a means against them. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
Firstly, The Qur'an refers to 2 other solutions first.
1stly = fa'izu = it says to talk to them so persuasively it will melt their hearts. Which is translated in english as...Admonish them...
2ndly = Hajara - Wahjaru = which means to seperate body from body and leave them alone in bed, Translated as "abandon them in bed" Abandon is a very negative word.
3rdly = This is obviously, the last resort. as it is 3rd in the line and By the time you leave your bed, your wife surely knows that you are not pleased with her. On that basis you are to apply "Dharaba" It has to be in line with the rules of the Qur'an and thus could mean : "set a clear example" "to set forth, to make a clear statement or proclamation" Yes it can also mean to beat but it is not beat up, it is more to beat something. Which is more in line with the oother meansings of it. The form of beat in the Qur'an is hushshu in surah taha and this does not derive from dharaba at all. Arabic has different words for different circumstances and then different form of the word for different circumstances. Many times in the Qur'an Allah uses dharaba to say " Allah sets forth" not "Allah beats" lol. It's saying set forth for her the clear meaning of either straighten up or else we are finished and when she returns to proper behavior take up sharing the bed with her again. It is no way in shape of form saying to beat your wives! Like i said, things get lost in translation, even for muslims that read arabic. They can look at Dharaba and think ooh beat. Oooh i will hit my wife. But there is a hadith from bukhari that says " Never beat God's Handmaidens"
Beautiful behaviour!
Really amazing!!
You're such an apologist crap artist.
Muztards in Britain are committing a felony by trying to force a woman to obey or by hitting women for any reason except self defence.
Not that breaking the law or doing evil shit has ever stopped a muztard.
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Beautiful behaviour!
Really amazing!!
You're such an apologist crap artist.
Muztards in Britain are committing a felony by trying to force a woman to obey or by hitting women for any reason except self defence.
Not that breaking the law or doing evil shit has ever stopped a muztard.
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When i said " to beat something " i mean as in..I will beat this evil as in to win over it...
I think you're really stretching on this one, sorry. It isn't logical, and the quran is suppose to be written so well that anybody can understand it. If your own people aren't getting the message you claim it is, then the quran has failed.
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Beautiful behaviour!
Really amazing!!
You're such an apologist crap artist.
Muztards in Britain are committing a felony by trying to force a woman to obey or by hitting women for any reason except self defence.
Not that breaking the law or doing evil shit has ever stopped a muztard.
And if none of these work what then does he kill her

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Marrying 5 year olds isnt halal lol. Just because muslims do it does not make it islamic for God's sake.
Mohammed married a six year old, so it must be Islamic if the so called perfect man done it.
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Marrying 5 year olds isnt halal lol. Just because muslims do it does not make it islamic. your argument is based on the assumption that ALL muslims follow islam to a T. NO BODY FOLLOWS ISLAM TO A T except the prophet (saw) STOP saying islam is what muslims do because it isnt. Praying for Allah? Yes. Fasting for Allah? Yes. Beating your wife for Allah? No. I am not westernised, i dont condone western society. I am realistic. I follow islam, that is real islam and hasnt been tampered with by corrupt saudi arabian's. No one is pure and yet you are basing your assumption that everyone is a perfect muslim, well you are wrong. They could not be further from islam. Considering the prophet ( saw) said that you are not allowed to hit your wife in her face or leaving any brusing or mark on her body we can quickly gather, as he was a walking Qur'an, that muslim men are not allowed to injure their wives. Does that mean they dont do it? No it doesnt. But it isnt islam. That is the same with the consent, a girl is not allowed to get married in islam unless they consent to it. Does that mean this doesnt happen? No. Open your mind for God's sake.
I understand you are very sincere. I actually once believed that islam was a peaceful religion. Even 9/11 didn't immediately change my mind. Then I started paying attention to the middle east. Muslims kill each other every day - car bombings, suicide bombings, rioting to protest some perceived slight from a magazine or newspaper in a foreign country, killing each other because they're different sects. Muslims blow each other up at wedding and funerals. Beheadings, amputations, acid thrown in school girls faces, school girls burned to death because they weren't wearing their hajibs and men wouldn't unlock the doors to their school to let them escape. Just recently the girl from Pakistan who was shot in the face because she wanted an education. The list goes on and on. All these atrocities were the deeds of muslims every bit as sincere as you are but they were born into the "religion". You are practicing the watered down version of islam all safe and sound in England.
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I think you're really stretching on this one, sorry. It isn't logical, and the quran is suppose to be written so well that anybody can understand it. If your own people aren't getting the message you claim it is, then the quran has failed.
Who told you that? The Qur'an is supposed to be easy to memorise but understanding of the Qur'an is not something so easily achieved.

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Abba said he lives in saudi Arabia. I think you are confusing him with someone else
Abba is a swedish pop group, most famous from the 1970's/80's.
This little runt has nicked their name. You wouldnt realise it because you are relatively new to the forum but abba is not actually a muslim. He pretends to be,...or as muslims might prefer to frame it, he ASPIRES to be. He clearly doesnt live in the UAE. I would have thought that much would be obvious. But I will leave you to work that out for yourself.
He is a very mixed up child. He tells us he is 19. His attitude presents more like a 13 year old....and in saying that, I am being very generous. There are plenty of genuine muslims on here. Dont waste your time with abba.

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Marrying 5 year olds isnt halal lol. Just because muslims do it does not make it islamic. your argument is based on the assumption that ALL muslims follow islam to a T. NO BODY FOLLOWS ISLAM TO A T except the prophet (saw) STOP saying islam is what muslims do because it isnt. Praying for Allah? Yes. Fasting for Allah? Yes. Beating your wife for Allah? No. I am not westernised, i dont condone western society. I am realistic. I follow islam, that is real islam and hasnt been tampered with by corrupt saudi arabian's. No one is pure and yet you are basing your assumption that everyone is a perfect muslim, well you are wrong. They could not be further from islam. Considering the prophet ( saw) said that you are not allowed to hit your wife in her face or leaving any brusing or mark on her body we can quickly gather, as he was a walking Qur'an, that muslim men are not allowed to injure their wives. Does that mean they dont do it? No it doesnt. But it isnt islam. That is the same with the consent, a girl is not allowed to get married in islam unless they consent to it. Does that mean this doesnt happen? No. Open your mind for God's sake.
You havent given this a great deal of thought. You say NOBODY follows islam to a 'T'(apart fro the prophet)?
Didnt the prophet 'thigh' an 8 year old? Or was she 6? Did he not consumate the marriage before she was 12? YES, he did!
The prophet, whom you have previous described as following islam to a 'T' did many curious things - considering he was one of the principle charactors in a religion of peace. He robbed caravans. He murdered people. He encouraged others to lie for the good of islam. This is perhaps the reason behind the taliban behaving as they do. They shot a young girl in the head, just because she wanted an education. Those taliban animals who carried out that attrocity all believe they are following the quran and honouring islam. Do you think bin laden was honouring the prophet when he organised the events of 9/11? Or the london underground bombings on 7/7 ? Actually, its not a question of what you think, its a question of what those behind the attrocities think. But if what they are doing is not in keeping with islam and the teachings of the prophet, they WHY do they think that it IS?

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Who told you that? The Qur'an is supposed to be easy to memorise but understanding of the Qur'an is not something so easily achieved.
The Quran:

Allah said:

“And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember, then is there any that will remember (or receive admonition)?(Qur’an 54:17)

In another Verse, Allah said:

“So We have made this (the Qur’an) easy in your own tongue (O Muhammad), only that you may give glad tidings to the Muttaqun [pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained), and warn with it the Ludda (the most quarrelsome) people,”(Qur’an 19:97)

http://rediscoverquran.blogspot.com/2008/10/e...

"The reader would do well to ask the question: what does making the Qur’an easy actually mean? Basically it means that one can understand its meaning without a great deal of difficulty. So clarity is one component of the Qur’an being easy to understand;"

A couple of more verses I would add are:

"A Messenger, reciting Allah's clear Verses to you to bring those who believe and do right actions out of the darkness into the Light. Whoever believes in Allah and acts rightly, We will admit him into Gardens..." (Qur'an 65:11)

"We have made the Qur'an easy in your language so that they may take heed it." (Qur'an 44:58)

"If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said,‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say,‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’(Qur'an 41:44)

"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an so you people may understand / reason" (Qur'an 12:2)

http://www.quranicpath.com/finerpoints/arabic...

According to your view, the quran has failed.

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In islam, hitting your wife is not allowed. Men are not allowed to bruise them or leave a mark on there body by hitting them and they are not allowed to hit their face. If this does happen, then you can take them to the islamic court where they should be punished and also then you are allowed to hit them back.
yes i agree....violence against the wife is actually not islamic, prophet muhammad never beat or harm his wives

the law of Khula is good for women when their husbands mistreat them,so they can force them to give divorce through court

In christianity: A man cant divorce his wife or wife ask for divorce by church law,this is an oppression, what if the wife is sht or husband is....they cant be divorced or remarried?

In egypt,Christians are suffering of this church law

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yes i agree....violence against the wife is actually not islamic, prophet muhammad never beat or harm his wives
the law of Khula is good for women when their husbands mistreat them,so they can force them to give divorce through court
In christianity: A man cant divorce his wife or wife ask for divorce by church law,this is an oppression, what if the wife is sht or husband is....they cant be divorced or remarried?
In egypt,Christians are suffering of this church law
Dont talk stupid, you prat!!!!
You have just demonstrated that you are a bigger fool than we thought you were. Divorce is nothing to do with the church. If a man, or woman decided that they didnt want to be with their respective partner anymore, they simply go and see a solicitor and begin divorce procedings. That way, it is at least done legally and sensibly. You are very quick to use the word oppression where it cannot possibly be applied. I am amazed that you have the intelligence to use a computer. If you are so clever, use your intelligence to rsolve your country's political problems. Someone should!
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yes i agree....violence against the wife is actually not islamic, prophet muhammad never beat or harm his wives
the law of Khula is good for women when their husbands mistreat them,so they can force them to give divorce through court
In christianity: A man cant divorce his wife or wife ask for divorce by church law,this is an oppression, what if the wife is sht or husband is....they cant be divorced or remarried?
In egypt,Christians are suffering of this church law
Only catholics and some very conservative groups strongly discourage divorce. Most christian churches accept divorce as a fact of life.
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The Catholic Church really has no quarrel with divorce. That's a civil matter. What it doesn't allow is remarriage unless the first has been declared annulled by the Church. Big difference. The Church doesn't "undo" sacramental marriage, but declares that there was no marriage in the first place. Catholics whose marriages have been annulled are free to remarry.

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<quoted text>Only catholics and some very conservative groups strongly discourage divorce. Most christian churches accept divorce as a fact of life.
in egypt christians are suffering from the orthodox copt church and its law,there are thousands of egyptian christians who can't divorce or re-marry because the coptic church doesn't allow them and threaten them as well

120 Coptic Christians leave Orthodox Church over divorce, remarriage laws:

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/120-copt...

Coptic Christians call for divorce law relaxation

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/...

the Coptic or orthodox Church in egypt does not allow divorce except for reason" you have to prove your wife or husband " whore" or "slut"

copt church is actually so backward and sht classic

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The Catholic Church really has no quarrel with divorce. That's a civil matter. What it doesn't allow is remarriage unless the first has been declared annulled by the Church. Big difference. The Church doesn't "undo" sacramental marriage, but declares that there was no marriage in the first place. Catholics whose marriages have been annulled are free to remarry.
Only by last century, You know rights of women and divorce status

Your christianity didnt allow divorce in the past, while Islam since the start Accepted it

what if the wife is extremely bad and u not uncomfortable anymore with her????? why shall u remain with her? classic church law is unjust

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Dont talk stupid, you prat!!!!
You have just demonstrated that you are a bigger fool than we thought you were. Divorce is nothing to do with the church. If a man, or woman decided that they didnt want to be with their respective partner anymore, they simply go and see a solicitor and begin divorce procedings. That way, it is at least done legally and sensibly. You are very quick to use the word oppression where it cannot possibly be applied. I am amazed that you have the intelligence to use a computer. If you are so clever, use your intelligence to rsolve your country's political problems. Someone should!
Donkey, don't bark alot

Coptic orthodox church in egypt doesnt allow the divorce and re-marriage, christian orthodox people can not divorce or remarry

Rigid Coptic Divorce Law Sparks Brawl,Protests

http://womensenews.org/story/marriagedivorce/...

Copts demanding right to divorce will collectively leave Church

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/copts-de...

Coptic protesters call for a relaxation of divorce regulations

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/coptic-p...

Now,You have just confirmed for us that You are Real Donkey!

I have to offer you some beans so u can shut ur mouth and stop screaming for time LOL

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