RACISM against BLACK people in islam

RACISM against BLACK people in islam

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somali

Milan, Italy

#1 May 3, 2012
bn ishaaq wrote this haidith

Ishaq:243 "I have heard the Apostle say:'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk with the Prophet and listen to him. He would carry what he had said to the hypocrites. Nabtal said,'Muhammad is all ears. If anyone tells him something he believes it.' Allah sent down concerning him:'To those who annoy the Prophet and say that he is all ears, say,'Good ears for you.' For those who annoy the Apostle there is a painful punishment."

arab hate black people,ans somalis are considered black just like the others african,i'm a very religious man but since i heard this hadith i'm very confused

somalis are treated very bad in saudi arabia and yemen,they call us abeed,and no matter if we are cushitic people,no matter if somalis are different from bantu people,for arab people we are just like the other black people,

is this hadith true?? a lot of ishaq hadeth are sahih and recognized as true by the muslim scholars and maybe also this hadith is true

please explain me

Since: Nov 09

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#2 May 3, 2012
I'm not a proponent of the hadiths, but wouldn't that hadith be contradicting the farewell sermon in another hadith

“O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. God has Judged that there shall be no interest, and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn Abd’al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under a trust from God and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God, perform your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadan, and offer Zakat. Perform Hajj if you have the means.

[All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.][EMPHASIS]

Remember, one day you will appear before God and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and it may be that the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.”
somali

Limbiate, Italy

#3 May 3, 2012
cairene wrote:
I'm not a proponent of the hadiths, but wouldn't that hadith be contradicting the farewell sermon in another hadith
“O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.
O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. God has Judged that there shall be no interest, and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn Abd’al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived...
Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under a trust from God and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God, perform your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadan, and offer Zakat. Perform Hajj if you have the means.
[All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.][EMPHASIS]
Remember, one day you will appear before God and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and it may be that the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.”
i know this but look at the situation in muslim countries,i am somali and i know a lot of somalis who live in saudi arabia,they are treated very bad, i heard also about some black people insulted b some arabs during the hajj pilgrimage in makkah ,people still have black slaves in mauritania,arab people hate black people, look at the situation in libya,a lot of somali girls havebeen raped by arab men

look at this video
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arab people enslaved african people for ages

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I CAN'T BELIVE IN A RELIGION WHICH CONSIDER ME A SLAVE
Blacks enslaving blacks

France

#4 May 3, 2012
That's what I see. The North Sudanese aren't arabs, they're blacks. Descendants from the Nubians I believe... Either way it's a disgusting atrocity but i'm half black and have given up on africa's development along time ago

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#5 May 3, 2012

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

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#6 May 3, 2012
somali wrote:
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I CAN'T BELIVE IN A RELIGION WHICH CONSIDER ME A SLAVE
But you will be a slave to your Gov. That you say nothing to huh?
cairene

Singapore, Singapore

#8 May 3, 2012
somali wrote:
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i know this but look at the situation in muslim countries,i am somali and i know a lot of somalis who live in saudi arabia,they are treated very bad, i heard also about some black people insulted b some arabs during the hajj pilgrimage in makkah ,people still have black slaves in mauritania,arab people hate black people, look at the situation in libya,a lot of somali girls havebeen raped by arab men
look at this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QaUsR-blSw0XX&feature=rel ated
arab people enslaved african people for ages
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I CAN'T BELIVE IN A RELIGION WHICH CONSIDER ME A SLAVE
It's up to you but the religion doesn't consider u a slave. It gave u rights of a white man, an arab, in other words, it gave u the right to be a human being.

What's going on is the arabs feeling superior to others. It's nothing new. Indonesian maids are tortured in KSA and Indonesians are predominantly muslims.

Just because they proclaim to be muslim countries does not mean they are adhering to the teachings of the Quran.
ashkarlive4ALLAH

Yemen

#9 May 3, 2012
there is no people in this earth have RACISM against BLACK like the west i know many people they call people by their color thanks to ALLAH the RACISM in our countries 10% but in the west 90% so bad from now i will search the kinds of evil in the west
Suliman

UK

#11 May 3, 2012
cairene wrote:
I'm not a proponent of the hadiths, but wouldn't that hadith be contradicting the farewell sermon in another hadith
you say 'another hadith' but dont give a reference. Bukhari is considered the most authentic.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx...
Suliman

UK

#12 May 3, 2012
ashkarlive4ALLAH wrote:
there is no people in this earth have RACISM against BLACK like the west i know many people they call people by their color thanks to ALLAH the RACISM in our countries 10% but in the west 90% so bad from now i will search the kinds of evil in the west
that is funny. In the UK nobody has been prosecuted for saying something against whites but anyone heard saying the slightest thing against blacks can be in a lot of trouble! Has anyone been prosecuted in an arab country for a racist remark!

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#13 May 3, 2012
ashkarlive4ALLAH wrote:
there is no people in this earth have RACISM against BLACK like the west i know many people they call people by their color thanks to ALLAH the RACISM in our countries 10% but in the west 90% so bad from now i will search the kinds of evil in the west
Wow, nothing like making up big fat lies. You have turned out to be one of the biggest racist/chauvinist liars haunting topix.

Of course you wont be able to show a source for your claims, seeing as you've pulled them out of your backside.
cairene

Singapore, Singapore

#14 May 3, 2012
Suliman wrote:
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you say 'another hadith' but dont give a reference. Bukhari is considered the most authentic.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes.aspx...
orh. And?
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#16 May 3, 2012
cairene wrote:
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It's up to you but the religion doesn't consider u a slave. It gave u rights of a white man, an arab, in other words, it gave u the right to be a human being.
What's going on is the arabs feeling superior to others. It's nothing new. Indonesian maids are tortured in KSA and Indonesians are predominantly muslims.
Just because they proclaim to be muslim countries does not mean they are adhering to the teachings of the Quran.
The West is familiar with the history of slavery in the new world. It was sinful and terrible, and it lasted for several hundred years. And it was abolished mainly through the efforts of Christians in England (Wilberforce, Clarkson) and America (the Abolitionists, primarily Protestant).

However, few people in the west know about Islam and slavery. Most would be surprised that Islam authorizes the taking of slaves as spoils of war. From the days that Muhammad drew his sword to rob and conquer non-Muslims to this very day, Muslims have been taking non-Muslims, and even other black Muslims, as slaves.

Muslims were enslaving black Africans long before any slave ships sailed for the New World. Muslims were taking and making slaves all over the lands they had conquered. Later, when slave ships were loaded with black slaves, often, a Muslim slave broker had the human cargo all ready to go. American slavers rarely had to go into inland to capture slaves, they were already waiting there, courtesy of some Muslim ruler, and/or slave broker! In many cases, if the black slaves were not sent to the New World, they were sent to the Mideast to be enslaved by Arabs, or kept by other black Muslims as slaves.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#17 May 3, 2012
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#18 May 3, 2012
The West is familiar with the history of slavery in the new world. It was sinful and terrible, and it lasted for several hundred years. And it was abolished mainly through the efforts of Christians in England (Wilberforce, Clarkson) and America (the Abolitionists, primarily Protestant).
However, few people in the west know about Islam and slavery. Most would be surprised that Islam authorizes the taking of slaves as spoils of war. From the days that Muhammad drew his sword to rob and conquer non-Muslims to this very day, Muslims have been taking non-Muslims, and even other black Muslims, as slaves.
Muslims were enslaving black Africans long before any slave ships sailed for the New World. Muslims were taking and making slaves all over the lands they had conquered. Later, when slave ships were loaded with black slaves, often, a Muslim slave broker had the human cargo all ready to go. American slavers rarely had to go into inland to capture slaves, they were already waiting there, courtesy of some Muslim ruler, and/or slave broker! In many cases, if the black slaves were not sent to the New World, they were sent to the Mideast to be enslaved by Arabs, or kept by other black Muslims as slaves.
Source:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery....
cairene

Singapore, Singapore

#19 May 3, 2012
Zayd, Muhammad's adopted son was a SLAVE. He freed him and accepted him as his son.

I see, so even if Arabs had slaves, that justifies europeans having slaves! The Quran says to free slaves is an honourable act and not to force female slaves into prostitution. It says that a slave who is a believer can be married to a free master believer. Which other culture had this? U TELL ME.All other texts, cultures state that a slave is a slave, not worthy of being married as a spouse to her master but only as a mistress or concubine.
Suliman

UK

#20 May 3, 2012
cairene wrote:
Zayd, Muhammad's adopted son was a SLAVE. He freed him and accepted him as his son.
I see, so even if Arabs had slaves, that justifies europeans having slaves! The Quran says to free slaves is an honourable act and not to force female slaves into prostitution. It says that a slave who is a believer can be married to a free master believer. Which other culture had this? U TELL ME.All other texts, cultures state that a slave is a slave, not worthy of being married as a spouse to her master but only as a mistress or concubine.
cairene with all due respect you have almost zero knowledge of other cultures and history and have taken for granted what the imams are telling you. Freeing of slaves was very much part of all ancient cultures and it was done frequently.

Unlike many slaves in other ancient civilizations, and some modern ones, Roman slaves had the chance to free themselves. In order to free themselves they either had to be purchased by someone else and then set free, or had to somehow earn enough money to equal their own value and then purchase their freedom. Masters also often let slaves go for several reasons.
http://megan-worley.suite101.com/slavery-in-a...

freeing of slaves in egypt, greece and judea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manumission

the list is endless
Suliman

UK

#21 May 3, 2012
cairene wrote:
Zayd, Muhammad's adopted son was a SLAVE. He freed him and accepted him as his son.
I see, so even if Arabs had slaves, that justifies europeans having slaves! The Quran says to free slaves is an honourable act and not to force female slaves into prostitution. It says that a slave who is a believer can be married to a free master believer. Which other culture had this? U TELL ME.All other texts, cultures state that a slave is a slave, not worthy of being married as a spouse to her master but only as a mistress or concubine.
If you wip your wife as much as a slave...Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day." Sahih Bukhari 7:62:132

Bukhari Volumn 003, Book 046, Hadith Number 711. Narated By Jabir bin 'Abdullah : A man amongst us declared that his slave would be freed after his death. The Prophet called for that slave and sold him. The slave died the same year. This is a terrible story!

rape of slaves
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Chapter 29:( married before capture )
IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE

killing all the men and taking women and children as slaves:

Bukhari vol 3,Book 46, No. 717
Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day.

Sunan Abu -Dawud,4390 "Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the prophet's Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

again the list is endless
Suliman

UK

#22 May 3, 2012
cairene wrote:
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orh. And?
simple if you care to follow the link it will show in how many occasions muhammad spoke in derogatory terms about blacks. Besides in the west thousands of blacks and whites are getting married. I cannot conceive of an arab or pakistani woman coming home to her parents with a black man. Do You?
Suliman

UK

#23 May 3, 2012
Carene, another thing imams have told you is that arabs were barbarians before islam and women were oppressed. Again they have lied to you. Mecca and many areas of arabia were a great cultural centre with influences from all the ancient cultures of egypt, rome. greece and babylonia. You know about khadija dont you the first wife of muhammad before islam. She was a cultured, rich and indipendent woman who travelled frequently like many other women of her time and this even before she met muhammad.

I hope that you will start reading again the guru granth sahib and studying the life of guru nanak.

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