2 million Indonesians are walking awa...

2 million Indonesians are walking away from Islam

There are 108 comments on the www.kaskus.co.id story from Jul 25, 2012, titled 2 million Indonesians are walking away from Islam. In it, www.kaskus.co.id reports that:

Up to 2 million people are walking away from Islam in Indonesia every year. Detachment and disillusionment has left them feeling that Islam is out of touch with the lives of the contemporary Indonesian.

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Cina Aceh

Collingwood, Canada

#1 Jul 25, 2012
Jawa takut sama Kristian/Batak...hahahahaha

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#3 Jul 25, 2012
Who was keeping count.
Do they have a form to fill out, so that the millions a year can be counted precisely?

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#4 Jul 25, 2012
Just wondering.... from your link
"Up to 2 million people are walking away from Islam in Indonesia every year."

How do they know these numbers?
Haji Muhammad Abdullah

Jakarta, Indonesia

#5 Jul 25, 2012
It is not true, and it's not true, they fabricate lies to take your money, the population of Christian are about 10% in Indonesia,

in fact they are more Christian convert to Islam than Muslim convert to Chritianity. They spread lies about muslim, so they can accept your money

Please do not waste your money, and do not donate, spend your money wisely and spend your money for your own good

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#7 Jul 25, 2012
Haji Muhammad Abdullah wrote:
It is not true, and it's not true, they fabricate lies to take your money, the population of Christian are about 10% in Indonesia,
in fact they are more Christian convert to Islam than Muslim convert to Chritianity. They spread lies about muslim, so they can accept your money
Please do not waste your money, and do not donate, spend your money wisely and spend your money for your own good
Agreed Haji... I knew millions could not be true nunmbers, the land would be empty soon if that was the case.
Cina Aceh

Collingwood, Canada

#8 Jul 25, 2012
Timesten wrote:
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Agreed Haji... I knew millions could not be true nunmbers, the land would be empty soon if that was the case.
Indonesia will become a Christian Nation 2035!!!!
starmild

Cipinang, Indonesia

#9 Jul 25, 2012
Cina Aceh wrote:
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Indonesia will become a Christian Nation 2035!!!!
yang ada malaysia itu negara kristian genting tetap buka selama bulan puasa , gereja calvary terbesar di asia saja ada di malaysia kurang apalagi

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#10 Jul 25, 2012
Haji Muhammad Abdullah wrote:
It is not true, and it's not true, they fabricate lies to take your money, the population of Christian are about 10% in Indonesia,
in fact they are more Christian convert to Islam than Muslim convert to Chritianity. They spread lies about muslim, so they can accept your money
Please do not waste your money, and do not donate, spend your money wisely and spend your money for your own good
Did you read any of it?

So who are we?

Well, this campaign is a project of Mercy Mission Indonesia. Mercy Mission is an organisation with enormous experiencing of working in Islamic Dawah and responding to the needs of the Muslim community. Constituted as a registered UK charity (1122922), Mercy Mission has designed, developed and delivered high value projects across the world over the last five years, touching the lives of more than 1.5 million people.

So they are lying?

“Google Operation Northwoods”

Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#11 Jul 25, 2012
Haji Muhammad Abdullah wrote:
It is not true, and it's not true, they fabricate lies to take your money, the population of Christian are about 10% in Indonesia,
in fact they are more Christian convert to Islam than Muslim convert to Chritianity. They spread lies about muslim, so they can accept your money
Please do not waste your money, and do not donate, spend your money wisely and spend your money for your own good
Agreed they are a scam
real fact

Jepara, Indonesia

#12 Jul 25, 2012
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed Haji... I knew millions could not be true nunmbers, the land would be empty soon if that was the case.
Nope. That article is possible
Based on this news (you can google translate bahasa indonesia to english)

Menteri Agama RI, Suryadharma Ali mengatakan, dari tahun ke tahun jumlah umat Islam di Indonesia terus mengalami penurunan. Padahal di sisi lain, jumlah penduduk Indonesia terus bertambah. Semula, jumlah umat Islam di Indonesia mencapi 95 persen dari seluruh jumlah rakyat Indonesia. Secara perlahan terus berkurang menjadi 92 persen, turun lagi 90 persen, kemudian menjadi 87 persen, dan kini anjlok menjadi 85 persen.

“Penurunan jumlah umat Islam tentu sangat mengherankan dan sangat disesalkan, kenapa bisa terjadi. Padahal, di sisi lain jumlah penduduk Indonesia terus bertambah. Tapi, mengapa jumlah umat Islamnya sendiri malah terus berkurang,” kata Surya, saat menghadiri acara “Halaqoh Alim Ulama Partai Persatuan Pembangunan” di aula Hotel Suminar, Garut, kemarin.

Lebih jauh ia mengatakan, ada banyak factor penyebab terus berkurangnya populasi Islam di Indonesia akhir-akhir ini, salah satunya kemiskinan.

Menurut dia, kemiskinan memang dekat dengan kekufuran, sehingga jika tidak kuat iman, tentu bisa mengubah ketakwaan seseorang.

Ketua DPP Partai berlambang Kabah itu menilai, saat ini umat Islam di Indonesia sudah banyak lengah, lalai, dan tidak peka lagi dengan keadaan sekitarnya. Hal ini mengakibakan umat Islam Indonesia secara umum mengalami kemunduran baik dari segi kualitas, ekonomi, kesejahteraan, pengaruh, kekuasaan, politik hingga kemunduran serta ketertinggalan di bidang iptek.

“Kemunduran ini tidak pernah disadari, akibat umat Islam sudah terbuai dan merasa sudah serba berkecukupan. Padahal, pada kenyataannya sumber alam kita yang benar-benar melimpah ini lebih banyak dinikmati orang lain. Sedangkan umat Islam sendiri hanya merasakan sebagian kecilnya saja,” katanya.

Lebih jauh Suryadharma mengatakan, penurunan populasi umat Islam secara terus menerus juga diakibatkn sikap rapuh umat Islam yantg mudah dihasut dan dipecah belah. Rapuhnya rasa persatuan umat Islam di Indonesia ini berakibat munculnya konflik sesama umat Islam itu sendiri.

Di sisi lain, lanjutnya, penurunan populasi umat Islam di Indonesia juga akibat semakin berkurangnya jumlah guru ngaji. Berdasarkan laporan yang diterimanya, saat di Kab. Garut saja sudah terjadi kelangkaan guru ngaji karena banyak ustad yang alih profesi untuk mencari mata pencaharian lain, akibat kurangnya perhatian dari pemerintah.
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The number of moslems are drop from 95% to 85% of Indonesia citizens.
Note : indonesia has about 240 millions citizens
Cina Aceh

Collingwood, Canada

#13 Jul 25, 2012
Indonesia Negara Kristian....pasti!!!!!!!!
real fact

Jepara, Indonesia

#14 Jul 25, 2012
And remember.. that's statement officially from the indonesia minister of religion himself.

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Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#15 Jul 25, 2012
real fact wrote:
And remember.. that's statement officially from the indonesia minister of religion himself.
Got a link to that?
Jawa Pejuh Asia

Collingwood, Canada

#16 Jul 25, 2012
Bangsa Jawa itu

1.laknat/tahyul
2.haram jadah
3.pemalas/ Sinetro budaya Indon
4.klaim aja...
5.homo/ teguk kontol
6.penipu
7.Presiden pejuh lendir
8.TNI pengsan/lari naik taksi
9.miskin/gizi buruk
10.bodoh IQ selevel mawas
11. Garuda Bangkrap
12.Esemka KOLAPS
13.Garuda= ayam KFC
14.kemerdekaan hasil pemberian Belanda.
15.Selamanya babu Obama
16.Papua/Aceh mau merdeka gan
17.pilot SUKHOI eject kat bukit
18.hutang sama Australi/Jepang
19.Tewas AFF cup....nangis di Bung Karno macam anjing
20. Jawa Dolly- nama gagal total yg akan kekal hingga kiamat!!!!!!
Han Solo

Jepara, Indonesia

#17 Jul 25, 2012
i'll help you to translate it

Minister of Religious Affairs, Suryadharma Ali said, from year to year the number of Muslims in Indonesia continue to decline. Yet on the other hand, Indonesia's population continues to grow. Initially, the number of Muslims in Indonesia stand at 95 percent of the total number of people of Indonesia. Slowly, steadily decreasing to 92 percent, down another 90 percent, then to 87 percent, and now dropped to 85 percent.

"The decline in the number of Muslims is very surprising and extremely regrettable, what could happen. In fact, on the other side of Indonesia's population continues to grow. But, why the people of Islam itself instead continue to decrease, "said Surya, while attending" Alim Ulama halaqoh United Development Party "in the hall of Hotel Suminar, Garut, yesterday.

Furthermore, he said, there are many factors cause populations continue to decrease in Islam in Indonesia recently, one of poverty.

According to him, poverty is close to kufr, so if there is a strong faith, of course can change a person's piety.

Chairman of the DPP party bearing the Kaaba was to assess, at this time Muslims in Indonesia have a lot of careless, negligent, and no longer sensitive to the surrounding circumstances. This resulted in Muslim Indonesia in general suffered a setback in terms of quality, economy, prosperity, influence, power, politics and the decline and backwardness in the field of science and technology.

"This setback was never realized, due to the Muslims has been swept up and felt it was completely inadequate. Whereas, in fact our resources are actually more abundant is enjoyed by others. While Muslims themselves felt only patches of it, "he said.

Furthermore Suryadharma said Muslim population decline is also due to ongoing attitude of Muslims fragile and fractured easily incited. Fragile sense of unity of Muslims in Indonesia it resulted in the emergence of conflict among Muslims themselves.

On the other hand, he continued, population decline of Muslims in Indonesia are also due to the decrease in the number of teacher of the Koran. Based on reports received, while in the District. Arrowroot alone was teacher of the Koran there is a shortage because many clergy over the profession to look for other livelihoods, due to the lack of attention from the government.

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#18 Jul 25, 2012
No comprende' signor do you speak English??
Alamin

Malaysia

#20 Jul 25, 2012
Timesten wrote:
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Agreed Haji... I knew millions could not be true nunmbers, the land would be empty soon if that was the case.
Totally agreed infact the total Muslim population in the whole world increasing every year. Surely Allah is with us and the more they say bad about Islam making it many more want to know Islam and finally accept Islam just like Cat Steven and many others.

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Since: Aug 10

** 9-11 was an inside job **

#21 Jul 25, 2012
real fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. That article is possible
Based on this news (you can google translate bahasa indonesia to english)
Menteri Agama RI, Suryadharma Ali mengatakan, dari tahun ke tahun jumlah umat Islam di Indonesia terus mengalami penurunan. Padahal di sisi lain, jumlah penduduk Indonesia terus bertambah. Semula, jumlah umat Islam di Indonesia mencapi 95 persen dari seluruh jumlah rakyat Indonesia. Secara perlahan terus berkurang menjadi 92 persen, turun lagi 90 persen, kemudian menjadi 87 persen, dan kini anjlok menjadi 85 persen.
“Penurunan jumlah umat Islam tentu sangat mengherankan dan sangat disesalkan, kenapa bisa terjadi. Padahal, di sisi lain jumlah penduduk Indonesia terus bertambah. Tapi, mengapa jumlah umat Islamnya sendiri malah terus berkurang,” kata Surya, saat menghadiri acara “Halaqoh Alim Ulama Partai Persatuan Pembangunan” di aula Hotel Suminar, Garut, kemarin.
Lebih jauh ia mengatakan, ada banyak factor penyebab terus berkurangnya populasi Islam di Indonesia akhir-akhir ini, salah satunya kemiskinan.
Menurut dia, kemiskinan memang dekat dengan kekufuran, sehingga jika tidak kuat iman, tentu bisa mengubah ketakwaan seseorang.
Ketua DPP Partai berlambang Kabah itu menilai, saat ini umat Islam di Indonesia sudah banyak lengah, lalai, dan tidak peka lagi dengan keadaan sekitarnya. Hal ini mengakibakan umat Islam Indonesia secara umum mengalami kemunduran baik dari segi kualitas, ekonomi, kesejahteraan, pengaruh, kekuasaan, politik hingga kemunduran serta ketertinggalan di bidang iptek.
“Kemunduran ini tidak pernah disadari, akibat umat Islam sudah terbuai dan merasa sudah serba berkecukupan. Padahal, pada kenyataannya sumber alam kita yang benar-benar melimpah ini lebih banyak dinikmati orang lain. Sedangkan umat Islam sendiri hanya merasakan sebagian kecilnya saja,” katanya.
Lebih jauh Suryadharma mengatakan, penurunan populasi umat Islam secara terus menerus juga diakibatkn sikap rapuh umat Islam yantg mudah dihasut dan dipecah belah. Rapuhnya rasa persatuan umat Islam di Indonesia ini berakibat munculnya konflik sesama umat Islam itu sendiri.
Di sisi lain, lanjutnya, penurunan populasi umat Islam di Indonesia juga akibat semakin berkurangnya jumlah guru ngaji. Berdasarkan laporan yang diterimanya, saat di Kab. Garut saja sudah terjadi kelangkaan guru ngaji karena banyak ustad yang alih profesi untuk mencari mata pencaharian lain, akibat kurangnya perhatian dari pemerintah.
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The number of moslems are drop from 95% to 85% of Indonesia citizens.
Note : indonesia has about 240 millions citizens
Show me a link for all of that.
Han Solo

Jepara, Indonesia

#22 Jul 25, 2012
drop from 95% to 85%

so 10% of 240 millions = 24 millions !
Han Solo

Jepara, Indonesia

#24 Jul 25, 2012
Timesten wrote:
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Show me a link for all of that.
look at post #19
or google it by your self! lazybone...

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