Jesus : Prophet of Islam

Jesus : Prophet of Islam

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#2 Apr 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
Jesus:Prophet of Islam
Please read this book.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Jesus.htm...
First published in 1977, Muhammad 'Ata ur-Rahim's classic text examines Jesus as a prophet teaching the Unity of God, and the historical collapse of Christianity as it abandoned his teaching. Now revised by coauthor Ahmad Thomson, the book sketches the dramatic picture of the original followers of Jesus who affirmed Unity, showing how "Christianity" became the fiction that replaced their truth. A wide-ranging study that covers the Gospel of Barnabas, the Gospel of Hermes, the shepherd, early and later Unitarian Christians, and Jesus in the gospels and in the Qur'an and hadith, Jesus: Prophet of Islam argues persuasively that the idea of Jesus as part of a trinity was a Greek pagan concept adopted by early Christian missionaries to gain converts among the Greeks, and did not become a widely accepted Christian doctrine until after the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.
You are a dumb ass Muslim.

Jesus was not created. He existed from eternity along with God the Father.

John 1:3
contains two direct statements that tell us that it was the preexistent Jesus who created all things. "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." Notice that John is not content to say only that all things were made through Him, but John adds the fact that "without Him nothing was made."

Paul confirms exactly what John wrote: "For by Him all things were created." Paul goes on to make sure that we understand what he means by all things—"that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him" (Colossians 1:16
).

Since Jesus created all things, He could not have been one of the "created things." Paul then adds, so there can be no mistake, "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together" (verse 17, NIV).

Dr. Norman Geisler comments: "The context of this passage makes it clear that there are no exceptions; Christ is the Creator of all things including angels and everything visible or invisible. Nowhere is this made more clear that Christ is not a creature—angelic or otherwise—than in the relation of angels to Him. Since Christ could not be both the Creator of everything and at the same time a creature Himself, it is necessary to conclude that He is Himself the uncreated Creator of all creation" ( Christian Apologetics, 1988, p. 338).

He adds a footnote: "In view of the clear teaching that Christ is Creator and not a creature, the Arian misinterpretations of phrases like Christ is 'firstborn'(Colossians 1:15
) or 'beginning of creation'(Revelation 3:14
) are wrong. Christ is 'firstborn' in the sense of being the unique (not created) Son of God. Christ is first over creation, not first in it" (ibid.).

Micah 5:2
stated that the messianic King to come was "from everlasting." Jesus had appeared in His divine life before His human birth as the priest-king Melchizedek (see Hebrews 7), "having neither beginning of days nor end of life" (verse 3).(Download or request our free booklet Who Is God? to learn more.)

Jesus was not created. He existed from eternity along with God the Father.

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#5 Apr 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Jesus never said that he is the son of God.
All Christians are reading the wrong bible.
You are a dumb ass Muslim.
John 10:30-40
30 I and the Father are one."31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.

"34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law,'I have said you are gods'?35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--

36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said,'I am God's Son'?

37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does.
38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. Here he stayed

You got your Muslim head up Muhammad's ass Muslim.
You Muslim mind is screwed up.

Look at your thinking Muslim its filled with errors.
Muhammad turned Muslims into Satan's evil jinn devils.
Read about your own religion Muslim on this link, if you want the truth.
Muhammad and jinn devils in the religion of Muslims.

“not that tom!”

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#6 Apr 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Jesus never said that he is the son of God.
All Christians are reading the wrong bible.
Which Jesus it this...the one the muslims misappropriated and relegated to second class status in the Koran or *Jesus Christ, Almighty God*

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#7 Apr 28, 2013
Christianity is a big problem for Islam because it simply shouldn't exist.

According to the Quran God went to a lot of trouble with Jesus.
He was born to a virgin 3:47(Why?)
He spoke as a baby 19:29/33.
He made clay birds and breathed life into them 5:110.
He healed the sick and raised the dead 5:110 (That's got to be worth more than just a few words).
And then he doesn't die on the cross? 4:157 (There's a whole story missing here).

Yet we are supposed to believe that just one man (St Paul) then corrupted the words of Jesus, created the biggest religion in the world and God couldn't or wouldn't stop him?
That's irrational!

All Jesus needed to do was write down or get a scribe to write down his message, give copies to his disciples and then no corruption could have occurred. But he didn't.(This is a problem for Christians as well.)

The Quran's story just reads like a bad fudge as your prophet tried and failed to fit Jesus into his version of theology.
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#8 Apr 28, 2013
JESUS WAS NOT A MUSLIM!

If he was then why didn't Allah tell the Muslim students of Jesus AT THE TIME, that Jesus was saved from cucifixion? It would have put a huge dent in the formation of Christianity. And very likely have prevented it.

WHY WON'T ANY MUSLIM RESPOND TO THIS COMMENT??????????
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#9 Apr 28, 2013
THE FAKE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS CONTRADICTS THE QURAN!

1) the Quran (2:29) says that the Heavens are seven in number,
while "Barnabas" gives the number as nine (178).

2) according to "Barnabas", man is endowed with a free will.
(164). On the contrary, man only does what Allah wills him
to do (Quran - 76:30, 37:96, 17:13, 10:99-100).

3) Adam was not the first man circumcised (23). Abraham was.

4) according to "Barnabas" (3), Mary brought forth her son without
pain. This is contradicted by the Quran (19:23).

5) the Quran follows the Mosaic law of "an eye for an eye, and a
tooth for a tooth", whereas "Barnabas" says "... ye shall not
overcome evil with evil, but rather with good" (81). "Woe unto
them that call for vengeance ..." (63). "... kiss the hand of
those who revile thee, and present gifts to those who persecute
thee and strike thee much" (64).

6) the Quran approves of poligamy. "Barnabas" does not tolerate
it (115).

7) the Quran approves of the teaching of abrogation. "Barnabas"
condemns it (38).

8) the Quran condemns eating pork but "Barnabas" says "that which
entereth into the man defileth not the man, but that which
cometh out of the man defileth the man" (32).

9) "Barnabas" totally ignores the existence of the prophet John
the Baptist (Yahya ibn Zakariyya).

10) according to "Barnabas", Jesus expressly denies that he is the
Messiah. In the Quran, the only Messiah is Jesus.

Still, "Barnabas" further compounds his confusion. For while
he has Jesus denying that He is the Messiah, yet, amazingly,
the first words of "Barnabas" following his introductory title,
read:

Barnabas, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ ...

According to "Barnabas", then, Jesus is called Christ, but he
is not called Messiah. Despite his obvious familiarity with
the Bible, "Barnabas" does not know that Messiah (Hebrew) and
Christ (Greek) are identical in meaning.
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#10 Apr 28, 2013
THE GOSPEL OF HERMES
is the title of a Theosophical work published by Philip Greenlees in 1949.

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#11 Apr 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus never said that he is the son of God.
All Christians are reading the wrong bible.
Jesus I am Gods Son.
John 10:36 &#9658;
New International Version (©2011)
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said,'I am God's Son'?

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#13 Apr 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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You are a dumb ass Non-Muslim.
Just get your head examined. It will help you to figure out which is the right book to read.
Oh please, the Harry Potter books are more relevant than the quran.

Less hateful and less violent too.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#14 Apr 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
Jesus:Prophet of Islam
Please read this book.
http://books.google.com/books/about/Jesus.htm...
First published in 1977, Muhammad 'Ata ur-Rahim's classic text examines Jesus as a prophet teaching the Unity of God, and the historical collapse of Christianity as it abandoned his teaching. Now revised by coauthor Ahmad Thomson, the book sketches the dramatic picture of the original followers of Jesus who affirmed Unity, showing how "Christianity" became the fiction that replaced their truth. A wide-ranging study that covers the Gospel of Barnabas, the Gospel of Hermes, the shepherd, early and later Unitarian Christians, and Jesus in the gospels and in the Qur'an and hadith, Jesus: Prophet of Islam argues persuasively that the idea of Jesus as part of a trinity was a Greek pagan concept adopted by early Christian missionaries to gain converts among the Greeks, and did not become a widely accepted Christian doctrine until after the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.
Salaamz & Salutations M. Great points yours. And historically sound. Now give it a second or two and the rabid jakals and naysayers will come out of the closets to rant against anything based upon real truth and fact.LOL! CheerZ
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#15 Apr 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus never said that he is the son of God.
All Christians are reading the wrong bible.
Jesus speaking to his accusers on the day he was murdered:

JOHN 10:36
"Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I AM THE SON OF GOD?"

JOHN 11:4
'When Jesus heard [that], he said, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the SON OF GODS might be glorified thereby."
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#17 Apr 29, 2013
IF JESUS WAS A MUSLIM,

Do you think the early lovers of Jesus wanted to distort his teachings that much, that they collected every single document in the world concerning him, rewrote the whole thing to make their bit fit, then took them back to the original owner without being noticed?

Do you think Allah forgot to get eyewitnesses to protest?

If you are one of those, why do you think they forgot to include strong proof that Jesus was the Son of God, or have him say it all the time?

Why were the Muslim listeners to Jesus completely silent? Why didn't Allah confess to them?
Taliban Killer

Rochester, PA

#18 Apr 29, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
THE FAKE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS CONTRADICTS THE QURAN!
1) the Quran (2:29) says that the Heavens are seven in number,
while "Barnabas" gives the number as nine (178).
2) according to "Barnabas", man is endowed with a free will.
(164). On the contrary, man only does what Allah wills him
to do (Quran - 76:30, 37:96, 17:13, 10:99-100).
3) Adam was not the first man circumcised (23). Abraham was.
4) according to "Barnabas" (3), Mary brought forth her son without
pain. This is contradicted by the Quran (19:23).
5) the Quran follows the Mosaic law of "an eye for an eye, and a
tooth for a tooth", whereas "Barnabas" says "... ye shall not
overcome evil with evil, but rather with good" (81). "Woe unto
them that call for vengeance ..." (63). "... kiss the hand of
those who revile thee, and present gifts to those who persecute
thee and strike thee much" (64).
6) the Quran approves of poligamy. "Barnabas" does not tolerate
it (115).
7) the Quran approves of the teaching of abrogation. "Barnabas"
condemns it (38).
8) the Quran condemns eating pork but "Barnabas" says "that which
entereth into the man defileth not the man, but that which
cometh out of the man defileth the man" (32).
9) "Barnabas" totally ignores the existence of the prophet John
the Baptist (Yahya ibn Zakariyya).
10) according to "Barnabas", Jesus expressly denies that he is the
Messiah. In the Quran, the only Messiah is Jesus.
Still, "Barnabas" further compounds his confusion. For while
he has Jesus denying that He is the Messiah, yet, amazingly,
the first words of "Barnabas" following his introductory title,
read:
Barnabas, apostle of Jesus the Nazarene, called Christ ...
According to "Barnabas", then, Jesus is called Christ, but he
is not called Messiah. Despite his obvious familiarity with
the Bible, "Barnabas" does not know that Messiah (Hebrew) and
Christ (Greek) are identical in meaning.
I am not a religious man, but study various texts throughout college and you are 100% right with what you have said about this book of barnabas. There are too many errors in it many of which go against christianity and islam. The book is also 1400-1600 to late to even be accredited to biblical times. Most Muslims scholars do not think highly of this book either. So you are absolutely right in everything you said and any muslim that quotes it for proof is an idiot.
Taliban Killer

Rochester, PA

#19 Apr 29, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text> Salaamz & Salutations M. Great points yours. And historically sound. Now give it a second or two and the rabid jakals and naysayers will come out of the closets to rant against anything based upon real truth and fact.LOL! CheerZ
Based on real truth and facts hmmmm. No muslim has ever being able to prove the Quran is not scientifically flawed, that it was a miracle, that it is not full of hate and violence, and the one you call prophet is nothing more than a war mongering, sex addicted and depending on wether you're saying what hadiths are right today a pedophile, a man that was power hungry so he created a political system(islam) to feed it, an overall greedy murderous bastard. So show me truths and facts that he was not what I say he was.
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#20 Apr 29, 2013
Everyone was so interested in this "man who didn't exist" and failed to make an impact on this world, that everyone wanted to know about his childhood and 'missing years'. So people wrote false gospels.

The church canonized the ones that circulated first, were anonymous and sought glorification for
someone other than themselves.

The Genuine Gospel authors had no reason to lie, and would not have allowed themselves to be persecuted to death for a lie.

PROBLEMS WITH THE GOSPEL OF BARNABAS:
http://www.apologia.50megs.com/Gospel%20of%20...

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#23 Apr 29, 2013
Jesus proved He is God by performing acts and deeds that only God Himself can do for us here on earth.

Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words,“I am God.”

That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30,“I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason.“… you, a mere man, claim to be God”(John 10:33).

The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared,“I and the Father are one”(John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence.

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared,“I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity:“the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh”(John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Acts 20:28 tells us,“Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ.

Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus,“My Lord and my God”(John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him.

Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ

2 Peter 1:1 &#9658;
New International Version (©2011)
Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus,“But about the Son He says,’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’”
The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10).

Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38).
Jesus never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did.

There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html...

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#24 Apr 29, 2013
You are a Muslims.
Followers of the man Muhammad.

I am a child of God.
I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord God, and Savior.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

John 3:16
For God So Loved the World
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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