Paul WV

United States

#162 Jan 26, 2012
abbey wrote:
<quoted text> Again so simple , use your own grey matter. The people in Jesus time was known to be simple ,poor village peasants , he at times , lashed out at them " Oh YE with little faith ," To convince them in to believing him he used many different philosophies Allegories in his arguments. There again in his words "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" and : "I and the father is one," One ,yes in the Will, Qadaa and Qadr the good message , in what Jesus are preaching , what he is saying , doing daily the good works of the Father, also in his walking ,eating , sleeping , his very existance is in line in the oneness and the will of the Unique Supreme Sovereign CReator of you and me and ALL of Mankind.
St Philip ask Jesus to show him the Father and Jesus did. St Philip didn't ask to told about some allegory between Jesus and the Father.

If someone asks me to see my father I don't think they would be happy with me saying: "I look like my father and act like my father, so now you've seen my father."
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#163 Jan 26, 2012
SalaamZ & Jesus This! Jesus That! Jesus gonna hit you with a wiffl-Bat!LOL! Get a grip! jesus(pbuh) was a RADICAL! a RENEGADE! A TROUBLEMAKER! He went up against the Powermad Aristocracy of His fellow HebrewZ & the RomanZ as well! He(pbuh) was no simpering Milktoast follower! and had the 12 Apostates had any spine, they all would have proven themselves at Gethsemane! Which would have been prudent! Resulting in Christ stepping up and decimateing the soldiers and the Roman puppetZ.But THEY FAILED THEIR MASTER! and caused HIs demise at the hands of Godless Creatures. CheerZ
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#164 Jan 26, 2012
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
SalaamZ & Jesus This! Jesus That! Jesus gonna hit you with a wiffl-Bat!LOL! Get a grip! jesus(pbuh) was a RADICAL! a RENEGADE! A TROUBLEMAKER! He went up against the Powermad Aristocracy of His fellow HebrewZ & the RomanZ as well! He(pbuh) was no simpering Milktoast follower! and had the 12 Apostates had any spine, they all would have proven themselves at Gethsemane! Which would have been prudent! Resulting in Christ stepping up and decimateing the soldiers and the Roman puppetZ.But THEY FAILED THEIR MASTER! and caused HIs demise at the hands of Godless Creatures. CheerZ
It was all fortold by the prophets of God's people, Israel, that Jesus would suffer, die and rise from the dead on the third day. Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets through Christian love.
abbey

Johannesburg, South Africa

#165 Jan 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>And it is God the Father of Jesus that sent Jesus down from heaven to take your place on the cross for your sins.
That is the good news Jesus came down from heaven to bring to man.
That mans salvation is through Gods begotten Son Jesus.
You are ignorant of Gods Divine Justice.
You are also ignorant that Islam is based on pagan humanism.
Its a cult where good deeds are done among the tribel people of Islam.
Out siders are considered subhuman Beings.
Sorry my Freind you are so wrong to think this is Divine Justice. Divine Justice is still to come , and when it comes to you ,it will be too late . Only in Islam ,He the One Who is THe Best , The Most Oft-Forgiver of any Sin ,and misunderstandings . HE is AL _ Ghafoor ." His Mercy far Supercedes his Wrath ". Sincere repentance ,followed with consistant good works , Wipe out any SIN . THAT is all that is needed , no Gory bloody PAGAN death , no need for anyone to slip and slide on cross . Sweet , simple repentance in Islam is easy as that ,for any ones salvation , In this LIfe And for the Hereafter.
Paul WV

Beckley, WV

#166 Jan 27, 2012
abbey wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry my Freind you are so wrong to think this is Divine Justice. Divine Justice is still to come , and when it comes to you ,it will be too late . Only in Islam ,He the One Who is THe Best , The Most Oft-Forgiver of any Sin ,and misunderstandings . HE is AL _ Ghafoor ." His Mercy far Supercedes his Wrath ". Sincere repentance ,followed with consistant good works , Wipe out any SIN . THAT is all that is needed , no Gory bloody PAGAN death , no need for anyone to slip and slide on cross . Sweet , simple repentance in Islam is easy as that ,for any ones salvation , In this LIfe And for the Hereafter.
What are some of the "good" works allah likes: murdering family members that hurt your pride; throwing acid in the face of young girls seeking an education; mutilating women so that they can not enjoy sex; blowing up church goers; blowing up muslims of another sect; threatening war on neighbors; mutilating dead bodies of the enemy; etc.
Lutfi Abed

Sunnyvale, CA

#167 Jun 9, 2012
to allens defense....still no proof where jesus says "i am the son of God....he said he read where john says something or mathew..but in reality who the hell is john? who the hell is mathew? thats like says mathew said 2+2 is 5 so believe it because i saw it. but we all know 2+2 is 4...UNLESS JESUS HIMSELF SAID I AM GOD OR THE SON OF GOD there is no proof...and WHY DID MARY NOT ONCE IN ANY OF THE HUNDRED BIBLES CONFIRM JESUS IS GOD? MAYBE BECAUSE HE ISNT...jesus multiple times in the bible said do not WORSHIP ME..he says WORSHIP THE LORD THE ONE AND ONLY GOD. but not once he says worship me i am god? he says to follwo him yes..because he was leading people towards the right path as in FOLLOW HIM AND HE WILL LEAD THEM TO BELIEVE IN GOD. stop with the mathew or john quotes because those guys are bums..unless jesus said anythign himself claiming hes God then stop with the BS
Lutfi Abed

Sunnyvale, CA

#168 Jun 9, 2012
if christianity wanted to avoid confusion who better to get to tell jesus he is God other than his own mother mary? the bible purposly avoids mary because they can never get her to say jesus was God why? because she continuously said it was a miracle from Allah the one and only God and jesus was his messanger
Lutfi Abed

Sunnyvale, CA

#169 Jun 9, 2012
and Paul WV..dont comment about islam like the idiot you are..obviously you are an undeducated man that doesnt know whats right from wrong..dont pretend like you know anything about the religion how about you get some education before you start to talk buddy. because if you did you would know every word you said was complete bullshit
Saved by TRUTH

Grand Prairie, TX

#170 Sep 1, 2012
Do you all mean Yeshua which translates to Joshua when you speak of Jesus? Pleeeeaaase look up the accurate names for the man you are worshiping. Jesus is a greek god. God=Yahweh..and Yeshua=Joshua. Anyway Yeshua is King of the New Jerusalem and Yahweh is our God creator of heaven and earth. Even Yeshua doesn't know the day of his return ONLY the father knows. You can look it up in the bible too! It's so exciting to learn isn't it? Okay, so God gave his only begotten son, Yeshua, that he who ever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life! Now it does not say he who believes Yeshua is God, nope! My God is a jealous God so be very careful. Peace. Come out of her my people.
grandie222

Ireland

#171 Mar 1, 2013
JESUS NEVER EQUATED HIMSELF WITH GOD THAT IS WHY HE SAID MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I . THAT IS WHY HE SAID DON’T CALL ME GOOD BUT THERE IS ONLY GOD WHO IS GOOD !!!”Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered.“No one is good–except God alone.”(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”

If Jesus doesn’t consider himself as “good”, then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

In Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come; Only GOD knows. Jesus’s followers wanted to know when the Judgment day will come.

In John 14:28 “The Father is greater than I.”

In John 10:29 “My Father is greater than ALL.”

In John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do NOTHING…..I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.” Jesus was sent in this verse by his own admission. In this verse he himself says that the one who is sent:“….. the one who is sent is not greater than the one who sent (John 13:16).”

How many people existed before Abraham? The Bible presents Jeremiah as being a prophet before he was conceived in his mother’s womb; “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)” Yet no one says that his pre-human existence qualifies him for deity. In Exodus chapter 3, God allegedly says:“I am what I am.” Long before the time of Jesus, there existed a Greek translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. The key word,“I am,” in Exodus which is used by Christians to prove the deity of Jesus is translated as “HO ON.” However, when Jesus uses the word in John 8:58 the Greek of the “I am,” is EGO EIMI. If Jesus wanted to tell the Jews that he was claiming to be God he should have at least remained consistent in the use of words or the whole point is lost. How many people in that age would have said “I am,” in answer to questions in everyday life. Billions. Are they all gods? Of course not !.

PLEASE DON’T INSIST ON BECOMING A PAGAN , MAKING A MAN OR A PROPHET INTO GOD !!! YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THE CASE AGAINST YOURSELF AS BEING A PAGAN IDOL WORSHIPER OF JESUS A MAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD AS ALL THE OTHER PROPHETS MORE STRONGER .

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD HEAR O ISRAEL YOUR GOD IS ONE GOD AND THOU SHALL NOT WORSHIP ANY GOD BESIDE ME , AND THOU SHALL NOT MAKE ANY IMAGE IN THE LIKENESS OF HEAVEN S AND TH EARTH AND BOW BEFORE IT AND WORSHIP IT FOR THY GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD WHO WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DO SUCH PAGAN DEEDS .

AMEEN

MAY GOD GUIDE YOU TO THE TRUE RELIGION

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#172 Mar 1, 2013
grandie222 wrote:
JESUS NEVER EQUATED HIMSELF WITH GOD THAT IS WHY HE SAID MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I . THAT IS WHY HE SAID DON’T CALL ME GOOD BUT THERE IS ONLY GOD WHO IS GOOD !!!”Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered.“No one is good–except God alone.”(From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”
If Jesus doesn’t consider himself as “good”, then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?
In Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come; Only GOD knows. Jesus’s followers wanted to know when the Judgment day will come.
In John 14:28 “The Father is greater than I.”
In John 10:29 “My Father is greater than ALL.”
In John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do NOTHING…..I seek not my own will but the will of Him who sent me.” Jesus was sent in this verse by his own admission. In this verse he himself says that the one who is sent:“….. the one who is sent is not greater than the one who sent (John 13:16).”
How many people existed before Abraham? The Bible presents Jeremiah as being a prophet before he was conceived in his mother’s womb; “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.(From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 1:5)” Yet no one says that his pre-human existence qualifies him for deity. In Exodus chapter 3, God allegedly says:“I am what I am.” Long before the time of Jesus, there existed a Greek translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. The key word,“I am,” in Exodus which is used by Christians to prove the deity of Jesus is translated as “HO ON.” However, when Jesus uses the word in John 8:58 the Greek of the “I am,” is EGO EIMI. If Jesus wanted to tell the Jews that he was claiming to be God he should have at least remained consistent in the use of words or the whole point is lost. How many people in that age would have said “I am,” in answer to questions in everyday life. Billions. Are they all gods? Of course not !.
PLEASE DON’T INSIST ON BECOMING A PAGAN , MAKING A MAN OR A PROPHET INTO GOD !!! YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THE CASE AGAINST YOURSELF AS BEING A PAGAN IDOL WORSHIPER OF JESUS A MAN OF FLESH AND BLOOD AS ALL THE OTHER PROPHETS MORE STRONGER .
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD HEAR O ISRAEL YOUR GOD IS ONE GOD AND THOU SHALL NOT WORSHIP ANY GOD BESIDE ME , AND THOU SHALL NOT MAKE ANY IMAGE IN THE LIKENESS OF HEAVEN S AND TH EARTH AND BOW BEFORE IT AND WORSHIP IT FOR THY GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD WHO WILL PUNISH YOU IF YOU DO SUCH PAGAN DEEDS .
AMEEN
MAY GOD GUIDE YOU TO THE TRUE RELIGION
You are Wrong!
You need to be saved.
Lily

Bristol, UK

#174 Mar 16, 2013
Jesus never claimed himself as a GOD. Here are the proof from Bible:

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 did Jesus say, "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 did Jesus say, "I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 did Jesus say, "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 did Jesus say, "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 did Jesus say, "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 did Jesus say, "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 did Jesus beg his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus's crucifixion in Islam.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 didn't he reply when he was asked about the truth.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 did Jesus tell his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 did GOD put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 did Jesus tell his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 did Jesus tell his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36 did Jesus say that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 did Jesus tell his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 did Jesus fall on his face and prayed to his GOD?

Here are so many proofs in Bible in which he claimed that he is not GOD. I found this heart touching video on youtube in which a great preacher explained the misconception about Jesus. I love Jesus, and I follow his commandment very strictly. If Jesus never claim himself God, why should I go against him and called him a God. If Jesus never drink alcohol they why should I drink alcohol. Think about it!!!!

Lily

Bristol, UK

#175 Mar 16, 2013
Alen wrote:
Because there is no such evidence from The Bible that prophet Jesus was god or god's son and ..........
I can also lie about anything and anyone but I choose to follow The Qur'an which CONFIRMS the previous Scriptures and therefore follow THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.
I still ask and still am in the waiting room to get an answer, a direct answer to this:
01. Did prophet Jesus in The Holy Bible ever said that he was god or god's son?
I don't want other people's opinions, I don't want Matthew's comments and beliefs or LUke's or anyone's, I would like to read it from The Prophet Jesus himself, if that's possible.
02. Since Jesus in today's Bible said sometimes that he is greater than the father and sometimes that he and the father are one, people really need to decide and choose which statement will be the correct one.
03. When Jesus was one year old, was he god at that time as well?
Jesus never claimed himself as a GOD. Here are the proof from Bible:

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 did Jesus say, "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 did Jesus say, "I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 did Jesus say, "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 did Jesus say, "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 did Jesus say, "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 did Jesus say, "Why call me good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 did Jesus beg his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus's crucifixion in Islam.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 didn't he reply when he was asked about the truth.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 did Jesus tell his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 did GOD put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 did Jesus tell his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 did Jesus tell his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36 did Jesus say that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 did Jesus tell his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 did Jesus fall on his face and prayed to his GOD?

There are so many proofs in Bible in which he claimed that he is not GOD. I found this heart touching video on youtube in which a great preacher explained the misconception about Jesus. I love Jesus, and I follow his commandment very strictly. If Jesus never claim himself God, why should I go against him and call him a God. If Jesus never drink alcohol they why should I drink alcohol. Think about it!!!!

jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#176 Mar 16, 2013
IS GOD A DECEIVER?

The Qur’an states that Allah deceived people into believing that Jesus had died on the cross.

According to Islam, the idea that Jesus died on the cross was started by Allah:

QURAN:'That they said (in boast),“We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah”—But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, But so it was made To appear to them, And those who differ Therein are full of doubts, With no (certain) knowledge, But only conjecture to follow, For of a surety They killed him not—Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.'

If we allow that Allah’s only goal was to deceive the people who wanted to kill Jesus, it is clear that the disciples also fell for Allah’s deception.
SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHRISTIAN BELIEF THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS?

If the deception of the disciples was unintentional, then we must conclude that God didn’t realize that he was about to start the largest false religion in the world.
If it was intentional, then God is in the business of starting false religions. Therefore, the God of Islam is either dreadfully ignorant or maliciously deceptive.
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#177 Mar 16, 2013
Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus never claimed himself as a GOD. Here are the proof from Bible:
WHY DO YOU THINK CHRISTIANS NEVER BOTHERED TO CORRUPT THOSE VERSES?

God never sent His son to give us a human to worship!
Jesus was sent to direct Love to God in Heaven!

GOD'S SON WAS PART OF GOD...ONE WITH GOD!!!!!

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#178 Mar 16, 2013
jesus is wrote:
IS GOD A DECEIVER?
The Qur’an states that Allah deceived people into believing that Jesus had died on the cross.
According to Islam, the idea that Jesus died on the cross was started by Allah:
QURAN:'That they said (in boast),“We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah”—But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, But so it was made To appear to them, And those who differ Therein are full of doubts, With no (certain) knowledge, But only conjecture to follow, For of a surety They killed him not—Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.'
If we allow that Allah’s only goal was to deceive the people who wanted to kill Jesus, it is clear that the disciples also fell for Allah’s deception.
SO WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHRISTIAN BELIEF THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS?
If the deception of the disciples was unintentional, then we must conclude that God didn’t realize that he was about to start the largest false religion in the world.
If it was intentional, then God is in the business of starting false religions. Therefore, the God of Islam is either dreadfully ignorant or maliciously deceptive.
Islam has a problem with the idea of God's new covenant for humanity, Christ, who came to offer grace, mercy, salvation and forgiveness through His sacrifice and life.

Islam has a better idea....Mohammed. The confused "prophet" with a sword and a serious anger problem.
Lily

Bristol, UK

#179 Mar 16, 2013
In Surah Ale Imran ayah 55, Allah makes five promises in connection with foiling the Jewish plans against Prophet Jesus and protecting him from their hostile intentions. One of the promises made was that the Jews will not be allowed to kill Jesus. Instead of that, Allah will lift him towards Him.
In the present ayaat, it has been made explicit that they did not kill nor crucify Jesus, rather, what actually happened was that they were deluded by resemblance.

Chapter Name:An-Nisa Verse No:157

“And because of their saying:‘We killed Al-Maseeh Eesa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah,’”

When Allah sent Jesus with proofs and guidance, the Jews envied him because of his Prophethood and obvious miracles; curing the blind and leprous and bringing the dead back to life, by Allah’s leave. He also used to make the shape of a bird from clay and blow in it, and it became a bird by Allah’s leave and flew. Jesus performed other miracles that Allah honored him with, yet the Jews defied and bellied him and tried their best to harm him. Allah’s Prophet Jesus could not live in any one city for long and he had to travel often with his mother, peace be upon them. Even so, the Jews were not satisfied, and they went to the king of Damascus at that time, a Greek polytheist who worshiped the stars. They told him that there was a man in Bayt Al-Maqdis misguiding and dividing the people in Jerusalem and stirring unrest among the king’s subjects. The king became angry and wrote to his deputy in Jerusalem to arrest the rebel leader, stop him from causing unrest, crucify him and make him wear a crown of thorns. When the king’s deputy in Jerusalem received these orders, he went with some Jews to the house that Jesus was residing in, and he was then with twelve, thirteen or seventeen of his companions. That day was a Friday, in the evening. They surrounded Jesus in the house, and when he felt that they would soon enter the house or that he would sooner or later have to leave it, he said to his companions,“Who volunteers to be made to look like me, for which he will be my companion in Paradise?” A young man volunteered, but Jesus thought that he was too young. He asked the question a second and third time, each time the young man volunteering, prompting Jesus to say,“Well then, you will be that man.” Allah made the young man look exactly like Jesus, while a hole opened in the roof of the house, and Jesus was made to sleep and ascended to heaven while asleep.
When Jesus ascended, those who were in the house came out. When those surrounding the house saw the man who looked like Jesus, they thought that he was Jesus. So they took him at night, crucified him and placed a crown of thorns on his head. The Jews then boasted that they killed Jesus and some Christians accepted their false claim, due to their ignorance and lack of reason. As for those who were in the house with Jesus, they witnessed his ascension to heaven, while the rest thought that the Jews killed Jesus by crucifixion. They even said that Maryam sat under the corpse of the crucified man and cried, and they say that the dead man spoke to her. All this was a test from Allah for His servants out of His wisdom. Allah explained this matter in the Glorious Qur’an which He sent to His honorable Messenger, whom He supported with miracles and clear, unequivocal evidence. Allah is the Most Truthful, and He is the Lord of the worlds Who knows the secrets, what the hearts conceal, the hidden matters in heaven and earth, what has occurred, what will occur, and what would occur if it was decreed.
Lily

Bristol, UK

#180 Mar 16, 2013
According to some reports, the Jews had sent a person known to Arabs as Teetlanoos to kill Jesus. He did not find Jesus in the house for he was already lifted by Allah towards Himself. So, when this person came out of the house, he had been made to resemble the looks of Jesus. The Jews took him to be Jesus. Thus, they took away their own man and killed him.[Mazhari]

There is room for whichever of the situations came to pass – the Qur’an has not determined any particular situation. Therefore, Allah alone knows what really happened. However, this sentence of the Qur’an seen with other exegetical reports does yield the common factor that the Jews and Christians were subjected to compelling delusion. The event as it took shape remained hidden from them, though they did advance all sorts of claims based on their conjectures which only landed them into mutual differences.

Chapter Name:An-Nisa Verse No:157

“….but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared as that to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts.”
The whole situation was made confusing for them. The Jews said they have killed him. The Christians said only his humanity has ended while his divinity has returned to the heavens. The ones who saw him being ascended said he has been lifted. So the entire matter was made confusing. Everyone had their own version of the story.

Allah is clearing up that they neither killed nor crucified him. The Jews and Christians are in doubt concerning Jesus whereas the Muslims having belief in each word of the Qur’an know that he was neither killed nor crucified, he was lifted alive by Allah.

Chapter Name:An-Nisa Verse No:157

“They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not.”
They had no evidence to support their claims; they were only following their assumptions. Indeed they are all in confusion, misguidance and bewilderment. They are not sure that Jesus was the one whom they killed. Rather, they are in doubt and confusion over this matter.

In Ayah 158, Allah says:

“But Allah raised him up unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.”

Allah ends the topic by talking about His attributes to jolt the Jews why do they think it’s impossible for Him to do a miracle like He did in Prophet Jesus’s case. He is the Almighty, and He is never weak, nor will those who seek refuge in Him ever be subjected to disgrace, in all that He decides and ordains for His creatures. Indeed, Allah’s is the clearest wisdom, unequivocal proof and the most glorious authority.

LESSONS:

- There are different versions about the incident of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him). Allah is clearing those doubts by telling us that they neither kill nor crucify them. He was ascended to the heavens “alive”.

- The Jews intended to kill Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) and Allah lifted him up and placed him in the heavens meaning He elevated his status.

Thank You!
juan

Midland, TX

#181 Mar 19, 2013
WARRIOR OF GOD wrote:
Alen, others were convinced that Jesus was God:
Paul: "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God."
John: "He existed in the beginning with God."2
Peter: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life."
But what did Jesus say about himself Alen?
Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely!
The bible was corrupted by pagans such as the romans when it was translated.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#182 Mar 19, 2013
juan wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible was corrupted by pagans such as the romans when it was translated.
Jesus claimed to be God in ways that were pretty clear to the people He was talking to. Our problem as 21st century readers, is that we might not easily get what some of Jesus’ sayings actually meant to the people who were part of the conversation.

For example, Jesus also claimed to be divine when He said He was the ”Son of Man.” I’ll admit that the first time I heard this title, I thought it was kind of like Muhammad saying,“I am but a man like you”(Qur’an 41:6)—Now there’s a religious figure who never claimed to be God! But this isn’t what Jesus meant at all. Let’s take a look at the term,“Son of Man.”

Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man
“Son of Man” seems to be Jesus’ favorite thing to call Himself–He uses it 80 times in the New Testament Gospels. Interestingly, it’s only used 1 time outside the gospels (Acts 7:56). So this probably wasn’t something the church made up.

How many modern worship songs can you think of that use the term,“Son of Man?” We know this title didn’t emerge later on in history and it wasn’t written back into the earlier traditions about Jesus. But why is this title important?
Because it’s referring to a figure that Jews recognized as divine. Here’s what the Jewish prophet Daniel wrote (7:13-14):

In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Here’s the point: The “Son of Man” in Daniel’s vision is rightful heir to the divine throne. According to the prophecy, He’ll rule forever. Nations will worship Him and His kingdom will be unstoppable.

Jesus claimed to be the Divine Messiah
The high priest asked him,“Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”“I am,” said Jesus.“And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” The high priest tore his clothes.
“Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked.“You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.(63-64).

Jesus publicly claimed to be the Messiah. He claimed to be the Son of God. He even used the divine name in His answer:“I AM.” Now, at the very least, Jesus answered,“Yeah, I’m the Messiah. I’m the Son of God.” At that point, the High Priest probably thought something like,“Gotcha!”

Did Jesus Say He Was God?
But then, Jesus follows up with,“I’m also the Son of Man. And you’ll see me seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
That’s when people freaked. Why? Because Jesus basically said,”You know that guy in Daniel’s vision? That’s Me.”

The high priest didn’t misunderstand Him for a second. His response was essentially,“Yikes! You just said you’re God and everyone should worship you!” No ambiguity there. But this just expressed what Jesus already seemed to assume by walking around and doing the things He did.
Things like claiming to forgive sins (Mark 2:5-11, Luke 5:20-24). He certainly didn’t object when people worshiped Him or called Him God (John 20:28-29).

Jesus said He was God
If you’re willing to look at the historical record, you’ll find that there’s a reasonable explanation for the early Christian belief that Jesus was divine: Jesus Himself said He was God. Even people who hated Jesus attest to the fact that this is what He said about Himself.

In Jesus own words Jesus said He said He was God..

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