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Scared Dr. Zakir Naik running from debate for so long. Why?

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arya

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Feb 25, 2010
Why is Zakir Naik so scared?
By Agniveer, on February 17, 2010 |

His fans hail him as the next big thing to come after Muhammad. To them, if one has to understand Islam and Muhammad, it has to be through Zakir Naik. Just as Muhammad is claimed to be messenger of Allah, Zakir seems to be the new messenger of Muhammad. And anyone browsing internet can come through ample number of zealots who attempt to be the messenger of the messenger of the messenger of Allah. Its a different matter though that some Muslim clergies issued a fatwa that publicity of Islam through internet is
‘haram’!

Ever since I wrote first few articles exposing the fraud of Zakir Naik and level of his medical expertise, I have been getting hate mails and hate comments. I know that I am destined for permanent Hell for proving that the messenger of messenger of Allah aka Zakir Naik should have his hands chopped off as per Islamic shariat.(Refer my article http:/agniveer.com/naikexposed ) But before the messengers of this new messenger of the messenger of Allah (I admit its sounding confusing!) decide to send me to Hell, as per Quran 2.191, 9.123, 9.5, 66.9, 47.4 etc etc, as interpreted by Zakir Naik and his beloved Osama Bin Laden, I would like to present a summary chronology of events till date:

1.

It is not that I got a bout of epilepsy one night and an angel revealed to me that I should start questioning methods and designs of Zakir Naik. The articles written by me are milestones of a process that started
much before and that would continue until I am sent to Hell as per verses mentioned above, or the foolish concept of such a Hell and Heaven and their promoters aka Osama Bin Laden, see their doomsday.
In 2004, at height of his popularity among semi-literate fanatic Muslims, he sent a mail to Sri Mahendra Pal Arya, a leading member of our team with a photo of himself holding Quran in front and Vedas in back. Sri Mahendra Pal replied back inviting him for a debate on how Quran is considered superior to Vedas by Zakir Naik.Since then Zakir Naik has been extremely elusive. We have been trying to contact IRF through mail and phone, but they refuse to accept the invitation.

2.

In 2006, again a detailed letter was written to Zakir Naik questioning his fraudulent negative publicity of Vedas and other Hindu texts. He ignored as usual.
arya

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Feb 25, 2010
3.

On 27 March, 2007, we organized a debate between Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya and Tariq Murtaza, a professor of Aligarh Muslim University and a core member of Zakir Naik’s team. The debate was recorded on video as well. When Tariq Murtaza was forced to turn speechless, he gave lame excuses for the same. He then suggested that his teacher, Abdullah Tariq of Rampur would be able to debate better. Now this gentleman Abdullah Tariq is another right-hand of Zakir Naik and supposed to be the expert on comparative religions. His Taqiah belief (search on google to discover yourself what is Taqiah) is that Vedas are first message of Allah and Quran the final one. So all should go by the latest edition of His message.

4.

On 8 February, 2008, after a tiresome management of logistics, considering the busy schedule of both Mahendra Pal Arya and Abdullah Tariq (both are involved in conversion activities primarily and hence keep traveling), we could finally schedule a public debate in Bulandshahar, UP. Abdullah Tariq, very confident about his conversion and conversation skills, claimed in very beginning that he would be willing to come each day to explain about Quran if he gets such a crowd to hear. But as the debate progressed, one could see droplets of sweat on forehead of Abdullah Tariq. By the time debate was over, he had to cry foul that Mahendra Pal Arya deviated from core topic. The debate ended on a peaceful note though and Abdullah Tariq reiterated his willingness to come for discussions again and again.

5.

That was the last we saw of Abdullah Tariq. Meanwhile we continued our efforts to contact Zakir Naik directly and invite him for a debate. But Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) would simply not respond. Sometime in
mid of 2008, we uploaded videos of Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya on youtube. You can check them at http://youtube.com/truthwisdom2008 . The quality is bit dismal because it is difficult to get funds for such activities from Hindus who are more busy wasting time and money on lavish festivals and costly idols. But that did create an impact. We started getting hate mails and abuses, and also voices of support. Many disciples of Zakir Naik came to intermediate and stated that we have never ever issued an invitation for debate in first place. IRF also denied having received any such invitation from any person ever.
rex arya

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Feb 25, 2010
Dinanath

Watford, UK

#6 Jul 12, 2010
I've seen Dr Naiks debates on TV. He seems to be a highly intelligent UNWISE individual. His assertions have the foundation of an unhealthy obsession to convert non-muslims. His arguments are based on HIS OWN (HUMAN) understanding and interpretation of other religions. A truly realised soul's teachings are based on personal divine experiences of the TRUTH which is GOD. He is an ideal 'preacher' and 'teacher' for 'empty vessels' that are desperate for some kind of belonging and justification for A 'meaningful' and 'purposeful' EXISTENCE, be it under the canopy of INTELLECTUAL FANATICISM.It is an irony that in times when muslims are killing each other through in fighting and have lost universal respect as peace-loving people, Dr Naik appears and causes further divisions amongst muslims to the extent that he invites FATWAS from certain muslim groups. Divinity can be understood through experience and not through dry intellectualisation of religious scriptures!
pawan kumar

Rose Hill, Mauritius

#8 Dec 17, 2010
Aryas should not allow people from other religion to claim this n that about the vedas.The muslim can say anything about ur holy books but we cant say anything.As said by pundit arya allah has forced them to believe in wat the coran preach.Till wen will they behave like this,God knows. But in Bharat he should be ban to speak false things about our holy vedas.keep it up Pundit Aryaji.Namaskar.
Kamal Kumar Sharma MUR

Rose Hill, Mauritius

#9 Dec 27, 2010
Why we need to debate with such a cheap person called Zakir.He always wanted to proove Quran above Vedas. But he forgot that Quran itself is an extract from Vedas only.Pt Mahender Pal gave so many proofs about the originality of Vedas. Have Zakir gave one?
Zakir is hiding from Panditji.He knows that where he stands infront of Panditji? no where.
But we should not allow the people to insult our Vedas.They are rich of culture,ethics and education.
So Panditji should not bother about such a beast.
Zakir can never defend his fraternity in front of Panditji thats why he is hiding himself.

“There Is One Truth! Jesus!”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#10 Dec 27, 2010
There is no need to discuss Dr. Zakir Naik when we already know Mohammad was a fraud.

A fraud, is a fraud!

What value is there to listen to a second fraud try to explain the first fraud?
XXYY

Delhi, India

#11 Jan 27, 2011
can any body tell. How to contact Pt. Arya
Zakirs pal

Santa Clara, CA

#12 Feb 6, 2011
If ya got
Zakirs pal

Santa Clara, CA

#13 Feb 6, 2011
Nup quran is provd by science.i was a atheist nd i couldnt belive hw much scientific prove quran had tht i ignord.r ya guys gna say science is fraud too? Jesus nd al ya shiva,vishnu r made up.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#14 Feb 6, 2011
Zakirs pal wrote:
Nup quran is provd by science.i was a atheist nd i couldnt belive hw much scientific prove quran had tht i ignord.r ya guys gna say science is fraud too? Jesus nd al ya shiva,vishnu r made up.
You've been lied too.

Dr Naik's claims for science in the Quran from his debate with Dr Campbell.

The Big Bang.
(Dr Naik) 21.30: Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and we clove them asunder?'

The Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago.
The Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago.
That's 9 billion years later.
So the Quran is wrong.

The Quran says the Earth rotates.
(Dr Naik)"21.33,it says 'It is Allah who has created the night and the day.'The sun and the moon Each one traveling in an orbit with its own motion. Now Alhamdulillah, modern science has confirmed the Qur'anic statement. The Arabic word used in the Qur'an is 'Yasbahoon', which describes the motion of a moving body. When it refers to a celestial body, it means it is rotating about its own axis. "

How can there be an Arabic word for the stars rotating if no Arabs knew the stars rotated?
The stars as a whole rotate across the night sky and the Arabs would have a word or phrase for that but not individual stars.

Expanding universe.
(Dr. Naik) The Qur'an says 51.47, that...'We have created the expanding universe'- The vastness of space. The Arabic word 'Mohsiana' refers to 'vastness'-'the expanding universe.'

The correct translation is 'Expanders' not 'Expanding'.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
51.47:And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed, We (are) surely (its) Expanders.
51.48: And the earth, We have spread it; how excellent (are) the Spreaders!
The verse doesn't say the expanders are still expanding the universe any more than the spreaders are spreading the earth.

The Water Cycle.
(Dr Naik) Qur'an says in 86.1, that 'By the capacity of the heavens to return.' And almost all the commentaries of the Qur'an - they said, that this Verse 86.11, refers to the capacity of the heavens to return back rain - meaning 'Evaporation.'

The verse is just referring to rain.
Everybody knew water was somehow raised up into the heavens but they didn't know how, and the Quran doesn't say.

Mountains stabilise the Earth.
(Dr Naik) The Qur'an says in 88.19, and 79.32 And We have made the mountains standing firm on the Earth'. Today after modern Geology has advanced,...'By the theory of Plate tectonics - It was propounded in 1960, which gives rise to mountain ranges.' The Geologists today do say that the mountains give stability to the Earth - Not all Geologists, but many do say.

Mountains don't make the Earth stable. Mountains ranges are the most earthquake prone regions in the world, and they are created by those earthquakes.

Salt and fresh water not mixing.
(Dr Naik) 25.53, that...'It is Allah who has let free two bodies of following water - One sweet and palatable, the other salt and bitter. Though they meet, they do not mix. Between them there is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed.

Of course fresh and salt waters mix, but mixing takes energy so unless there are tides or storms mixing is slow.
All sailors knew fresh water spread far out to sea from rivers and the port of Jiddah is close to Mecca.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#15 Feb 6, 2011
Continued:

Embryology.
(Dr. Naik) This is the Islamic edition that was put forward by Shaikh Abdul Majeed Al-Jindani and certified by Keith Moore himself. The Qur'an says in 23.3, and 22.5, and no less than 11 different places in the Qur'an, that the human beings have been made from a 'nutfa''minute quantity of liquid'...like a trickle that is remaining in the cup.'Nutfa' in Arabic... a very small quantity. Today we have come to know, that in one seminal emission, in which there are several millions of sperms only one is required to fertilize the ovum.'The Qur'an refers as 'nutfa.'

We are not made from sperm but from a sperm and an egg.
Where's the Egg?

(Dr. Naik) And Qur'an says in 76.2...'We have created the human beings from 'nutfatun amshaj'...a minute quantity of mingled fluid'- referring to the sperm as well as the ovum - Both are required for the fertilization.

An egg is not a fluid. As there is no mention of the woman I'm not convinced this isn't only referring to the sperm
Is this really the best the Quran can do?

Moon light.
(Dr. Naik)...So if you use this word 'Nur' as reflected light, and Munir as reflected light, yet Alhamdulillah, you can prove it scientifically that the light of the moon is not its own light, but it is the reflected light.

'Nur' means 'Light' not 'Reflected light'. Check any dictionary.

Zulqarnain and the setting place of the sun.
(Dr. Naik) The other point that Dr. William Campbell raised was regarding Sura Kahf 18:86. The Sura says the sun setting in murky water, in turbid water. Imagine, sun setting in murky water! Unscientific! The Arabic word used here is: it's wajada meaning, it appeared to Zulqarnain. Dr. William Campbell knows Arabic. Wajada means... you can look in the dictionary also; it means it appeared. Allah (swt) is describing what appeared to Zulqarnain.

A word for word translation.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
18.86:Until when he reached (the) setting place (of) the sun, he found it setting in a spring (of) dark mud,

'Wajadaha' means 'He found it'.
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp...
30 translations.
http://islamawakened.org/Quran/18/86/default....

This is easily the biggest mistake in the Quran and mistranslating a word won't save it.

The Quran is the word of just one man and we are told if we don't believe him we will burn in hell for eternity.
That's irrational!

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#16 Feb 6, 2011
Zakirs pal wrote:
Nup quran is provd by science.i was a atheist nd i couldnt belive hw much scientific prove quran had tht i ignord.r ya guys gna say science is fraud too? Jesus nd al ya shiva,vishnu r made up.
(This should have been the first post.)

You've been lied too.

Dr Naik's claims for science in the Quran from his debate with Dr Campbell.

The Big Bang.
(Dr Naik) 21.30: Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together, and we clove them asunder?'

The Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago.
The Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago.
That's 9 billion years later.
So the Quran is wrong.

The Quran says the Earth rotates.
(Dr Naik)"21.33,it says 'It is Allah who has created the night and the day.'The sun and the moon Each one traveling in an orbit with its own motion. Now Alhamdulillah, modern science has confirmed the Qur'anic statement. The Arabic word used in the Qur'an is 'Yasbahoon', which describes the motion of a moving body. When it refers to a celestial body, it means it is rotating about its own axis. "

How can there be an Arabic word for the stars rotating if no Arabs knew the stars rotated?
The stars as a whole rotate across the night sky and the Arabs would have a word or phrase for that but not individual stars.

Expanding universe.
(Dr. Naik) The Qur'an says 51.47, that...'We have created the expanding universe'- The vastness of space. The Arabic word 'Mohsiana' refers to 'vastness'-'the expanding universe.'

The correct translation is 'Expanders' not 'Expanding'.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
51.47:And the heaven We constructed it with strength, and indeed, We (are) surely (its) Expanders.
51.48: And the earth, We have spread it; how excellent (are) the Spreaders!
The verse doesn't say the expanders are still expanding the universe any more than the spreaders are spreading the earth.

The Water Cycle.
(Dr Naik) Qur'an says in 86.1, that 'By the capacity of the heavens to return.' And almost all the commentaries of the Qur'an - they said, that this Verse 86.11, refers to the capacity of the heavens to return back rain - meaning 'Evaporation.'

The verse is just referring to rain.
Everybody knew water was somehow raised up into the heavens but they didn't know how, and the Quran doesn't say.

Mountains stabilise the Earth.
(Dr Naik) The Qur'an says in 88.19, and 79.32 And We have made the mountains standing firm on the Earth'. Today after modern Geology has advanced,...'By the theory of Plate tectonics - It was propounded in 1960, which gives rise to mountain ranges.' The Geologists today do say that the mountains give stability to the Earth - Not all Geologists, but many do say.

Mountains don't make the Earth stable. Mountains ranges are the most earthquake prone regions in the world, and they are created by those earthquakes.

Salt and fresh water not mixing.
(Dr Naik) 25.53, that...'It is Allah who has let free two bodies of following water - One sweet and palatable, the other salt and bitter. Though they meet, they do not mix. Between them there is a barrier which is forbidden to be trespassed.

Of course fresh and salt waters mix, but mixing takes energy so unless there are tides or storms mixing is slow.
All sailors knew fresh water spread far out to sea from rivers and the port of Jiddah is close to Mecca.
USMC0311

Hayward, CA

#17 Jul 10, 2011
I see alot of cow praising hindus here.
Dr S D Tyagi Arya

New Delhi, India

#18 Aug 20, 2011
XXYY wrote:
can any body tell. How to contact Pt. Arya
Contact to your near by Arya Samaj Mandir, you can get help there
Kilian

Mississauga, Canada

#19 Aug 20, 2011
Zakirs pal wrote:
Nup quran is provd by science.i was a atheist nd i couldnt belive hw much scientific prove quran had tht i ignord.r ya guys gna say science is fraud too? Jesus nd al ya shiva,vishnu r made up.
वि&#23 59;य: Scientific blunders in the Qur'an (Koran):.स&#2349 ;ी 17 प्&#23 52;वि& #2359;्ट िय&#23 66;ँ प्&#23 52;दर& #2381;शि त.An
The Qur'an claims to be free from internal discrepancies. "Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity." (Noble Qur'an Surah 4:82) Surely, nothing less than perfect is expected from God. But, let's go on a journey through the Qur'an and peek at the evidence against this claim.

Islamic scholars in Egypt and Saudi Arabia agree with Muhammad, that lightning and thunder are two angels. Muhammad, the prophet of Muslims, claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of God’s angels—exactly like Gabriel! Baydawi comments on verse 13 of the chapter of the Thunder in the Qur'an:

"Ibn Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him,‘It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."’

The Qur'an teaches that the world is flat. This doctrine is believed by a great many Islamic scholars even today. The Jewish/Christian Bible revealed that the earth is round in Isaiah 40:22 and via Job (26:7). Speaking of God in Isaiah 40:22, the Jewish/Christian Bible says; "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Funny isn't it, that the Bible said the earth was a "circle", even when everyone believed the earth was flat". Job 26:7 says, "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing".

- In many places, the Qur'an alludes to the fact that the earth is flat and its mountains are like poles which create a balance so that the Earth does not tilt. See Qur'an, Suras 79:30 (And the Earth after that He(Allah) FLATTENED it.; and 18:47 (and you will see the earth a leveled plain).
Qur'an Surah 79:30 says:
Wa Al-Arda bada Zalika DaHaaHaa, which means:

And the Earth after that He (Allah) FLATTENED it.

With regards to Surah 79:30, " Dahaahaa " does NOT mean " shape like an egg ". It is appalling that some dishonest Muslim apologists actually have the audacity to dishonestly cheat non-Arabic speakers to such an extent. So if concisely translated, Surah 79:30 should read as “And the Earth after that He (Allah) Spread out like a carpet and Flattened it.”

You have been duped and converted to Islam, by saying quran is proved by science.

The Champ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#20 Aug 27, 2011
We Muslims believe that Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H) is the last messenger of Allah and there will be no one after him.

Dr. Naik is not the messenger of Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H). He is a common muslim and proves his point by logical proof and reasoning.

The fact of the matter is that the common persons like you don't seem to see the other side of the coin. If you really listen to Dr. Naik's lectures and analyse yourself, your thinking and your position then you will REALIZE.

We muslims believe in the word on God to be as Quran. If it really was written by aperson then it would have alot of discrepencies and errors. Even before the time you and I were born and till date no one on earth has really found any erros in the Quran.
jitendra gupta

Gurgaon, India

#22 Jun 3, 2012
arya ji i wanna know is that true profit muhammd is mentioned in vedas...as the word i knw is 'MAHAMAD'...i wann what is real meaning of mahamad it's not look like muhaamad then why people call it that it means is muhaamad ?...i knwo the meaning of mahamad...i definetly sure that it has different meaning but Muslim scholars looking it Muhammad !!!
Pak Soldier

Grimsby, UK

#23 Jun 3, 2012
Zakir has done a wonderful job of converting tonnes of Hindus :-)

It is only a matter of time until Indian Muslims carve out another country from India. India is doomed, you are a weak country with weak leadership who actually encourage Hindus to convert to Islam. Christian missionaries are spreading like wild fire across India. And many retarded Indians think their country will become a super power LOL, joke of the century. For started a Indian doesn't even rule India, you got a Italian ruling you people like slaves.
Pak Soldier

Grimsby, UK

#24 Jun 3, 2012
This is why Hindus like arya are scared:-

Hinduism once stretched from Iran/Afghanistan to Indonesia, but today look how much territory has been lost to Islam. Hinduism and Hindus have been compressed to present day India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia are all majority Muslim countries. Many of Hindus most important religious places like Mt Kailash is in China, your Ram bhagwan's two sons kingdoms are in Pakistan, Sikhs Punjab got chopped in half, etc. Hinduism is a dying religion, whereas Islam is growing and spreading, absolutely no doubt Muslims in India will carve out another country for themselves, it is inevitable and you know it. LOL, the land that produced so called warriors such as Arjun and Bhim has been invaded and balkanized more then any other country in the world, LOL. What pathetic, coward people Hindus are. You guys got a Italian ruling your country. Poor Hindus must be shitting their pants.

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