ayisha the child bride

ayisha the child bride

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george whyte

Coventry, UK

#1 Jul 24, 2010
Picture this historical setting: A 49 year old man asks his best friend if he could have his permission to marry his 6 year old daughter. His friend agrees. The man then visits his best friend’s house and speaks with the 6 year old daughter. Her parents watch as the he proposes marriage to the child. He is serious; he wants to marry the little girl and is asking for her consent. The little child says nothing; she only stares at him in silence.

The Islamic source materials state that Muhammad proposed marriage to Aisha when she was 6. He assumed her silence constituted her consent. Some 2 to 3 years later, just after he had fled to Medina, he consummated his marriage with her. He was 52 and she was 9. This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses and by Islam’s legal definition Aisha was still considered a child. Islam teaches that a child enters adulthood at the beginning of puberty.(This is scientifically inaccurate, the onset of puberty does not equal adulthood – see Appendix 3).

The bottom line is Muhammad, the creator of Islam, revered by his followers, had sex with a child! Worse, Muhammad's action and teachings on marriage established an Islamic precedent and Islamic law allows female children to be married off and engaged in sex provided they are able to handle a man’s penis (Quran 65:4). As will be shown, this leads to physical, and psychological, damage to the child.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbri...
george whyte

Coventry, UK

#2 Jul 24, 2010
need more, click the link please
george whyte

London, UK

#5 Nov 3, 2010
Note in this story how the girl is considered to be the possession of either her husband or her father, with no say of her own.

Sharia Alert from the Kingdom of the Two Holy Places: "80-year-old man marries 14-year-old," from Emirates 24/7, November 3

A Saudi old man aged above 80 years has married a 14-year-old girl and is refusing to divorce her unless she pays him back his wedding money, the Saudi Ajel Arabic language online paper reported on Wednesday.
The bride's father, Showan Ateen, said his daughter had been forced to marry that man from the southwestern town of Sabya but that she has not moved in with him yet. He did not say who forced her to marry him.

"The father and the bride now want a divorce but the husband is refusing to divorce her before they pay him back his SR-17,000 dowry," Ajel said.

"Her father said he does not have the money and is appealing for all benevolent people to help him so he will regain his daughter...the old man has threatened that they either pay him or he will take her by force."

The report comes amidst furor in the Gulf Kingdom over widespread teen age marriage and calls for enacting laws to curb such practices.

Good luck with that.
daku

Surrey, Canada

#6 Nov 3, 2010
yea and they say a child rapist who wa constantly horney was a phrophet! not profit but a pervert who loved not god.... but sex
Malcolm

Plymouth, MI

#7 Nov 3, 2010
Picture this,

"An age of consent statute first appeared in secular law in 1275 in England as part of the rape law. The statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.

A 1576 law making it a felony to "unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years" was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England's North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years."

"Like France, many other countries, increased the age of consent to 13 in the 19th century. Nations, such as Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, that adopted or mirrored the Napoleonic code likewise initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. In 1875, England raised the age to 13 years; an act of sexual intercourse with a girl younger than 13 was a felony. In the U.S., each state determined its own criminal law and age of consent ranged from 10 to 12 years of age. U.S. laws did not change in the wake of England's shift. Nor did Anglo-American law apply to boys."

Since the age of sexual consent didn't really reach the age of 16-18 in Europe until the late 19th-20th centuries I would like to examine some of the individuals who governed in Europe an America when girls could marry from ages 7-13

King James Stuart who is the reviser of the Bible more commonly known as the King James version of the Bible (17th century)

King Louis of France
King Henry
Queen Isabella
Queen Elizabeth

I point the women out because these were women rulers who presided over child marriages.

Now for Americans

George Washington
Abraham Lincoln

So why won't you Christians call your own rapists, an advocates of rape? Perhaps it's because you believe in a double standard, or more commonly known as hypocrites.

When we consider that English common law was premised and built on the early jurists that I mentioned before we get a clear picture of a legal system that was built on the legal opinions of men who advocated for child marriage in England, France, and the United States.

So why is it that you hold this bias opinion about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) but you don't hold this same opinion about King James.

http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230

I've brought this subject up before but I don't get an intelligent response, wonder why, maybe it's because muslims know you better then you know yourself.
bmz

San Diego, CA

#8 Nov 3, 2010
the big black abid is back.
bmz

San Diego, CA

#9 Nov 3, 2010
will the big black abid take a six years old black abid for a wife because allah knows best what black abid is for - for today and for years to come.
bmz

San Diego, CA

#10 Nov 3, 2010
maybe the big black abid will take a six years old arab for a wife instead because allah knows best what is good for arab muslims.

cherio
bmz
jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#11 Nov 4, 2010
If it was God's will that Muhammed marry and have sex with a child then why didn't Aisha fall pregnant?
Joe

Bargoed, UK

#12 Nov 4, 2010
Malcolm wrote:
Picture this,
"An age of consent statute first appeared in secular law in 1275 in England as part of the rape law. The statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.
A 1576 law making it a felony to "unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any woman child under the age of 10 years" was generally interpreted as creating more severe punishments when girls were under 10 years old while retaining the lesser punishment for acts with 10- and 11-year-old girls. Jurist Sir Matthew Hale argued that the age of consent applied to 10- and 11-year-old girls, but most of England's North American colonies adopted the younger age. A small group of Italian and German states that introduced an age of consent in the 16th century also employed 12 years."
"Like France, many other countries, increased the age of consent to 13 in the 19th century. Nations, such as Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, that adopted or mirrored the Napoleonic code likewise initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. In 1875, England raised the age to 13 years; an act of sexual intercourse with a girl younger than 13 was a felony. In the U.S., each state determined its own criminal law and age of consent ranged from 10 to 12 years of age. U.S. laws did not change in the wake of England's shift. Nor did Anglo-American law apply to boys."
Since the age of sexual consent didn't really reach the age of 16-18 in Europe until the late 19th-20th centuries I would like to examine some of the individuals who governed in Europe an America when girls could marry from ages 7-13
King James Stuart who is the reviser of the Bible more commonly known as the King James version of the Bible (17th century)
King Louis of France
King Henry
Queen Isabella
Queen Elizabeth
I point the women out because these were women rulers who presided over child marriages.
Now for Americans
George Washington
Abraham Lincoln
So why won't you Christians call your own rapists, an advocates of rape? Perhaps it's because you believe in a double standard, or more commonly known as hypocrites.
When we consider that English common law was premised and built on the early jurists that I mentioned before we get a clear picture of a legal system that was built on the legal opinions of men who advocated for child marriage in England, France, and the United States.
So why is it that you hold this bias opinion about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) but you don't hold this same opinion about King James.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230
I've brought this subject up before but I don't get an intelligent response, wonder why, maybe it's because muslims know you better then you know yourself.
Were they prophets of god? Do Christians claim they set a moral precedent that everyone should follow?
Do you get the difference?
Muslims claim Muhammad led a perfect life and that everyone should follow his example. If you are a muslim you must agree that a 49 year old man marrying a six year old is a perfect marriage.
TRUE LOVER

Nottingham, UK

#13 Nov 4, 2010
Low age marriages in Christianity:
Mother Mary was 13-14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus.Catholic encyclopedia says"it is possible that Mary gave birth to her Son when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age."Below is the link of Catholic encyclopedia read under the heading of "Mary's pregnancy becomes known to Joseph"

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

Also Mother Mary was only 12 years old when she marry to 90 years old Joseph.Below is the liknk of Catholic encyclopedia read under the heading of "Marriage"

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

Low age marriages in Judaism:
Rebecca was only 3 years old when she was married to Issac who was 40 years old.

And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebecca the daughter of Bethuel the Aramean of Padan Aram, the sister of Laban the Aramean, to himself for a wife.(Genesis 25:20)
For when Abraham came from Mount Moriah, he was informed that Rebecca had been born. Isaac was then thirty-seven years old, for at that time Sarah died, and from the time that Isaac was born until the “Binding”[of Isaac], when Sarah died, were thirty-seven years, for she was ninety years old when Isaac was born, and one hundred and twenty-seven when she died, as it is stated (in Genesis 23:1):“The life of Sarah was [a hundred and twenty seven years.”] This makes Isaac thirty-seven years old, and at that time, Rebecca was born. He waited for her until she would be fit for marital relations-three years-and then married her.—[From Gen. Rabbah 57:1;].Below is the link of "The Complete Jewish Bible with Rashi Commentary"Read the commentary of v 20.

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8 ...

Low age marriages in Hinduism:
A man, aged thirty years, shall marry a maiden of twelve who pleases him, or a man of twenty-four a girl of eight years of age; if (the performance of) his duties would otherwise be impeded, he must marry sooner.(Manusmrti Ch9 V94)
TRUE LOVER

Nottingham, UK

#14 Nov 4, 2010
Logical explanation of Muhammad(pbuh) marriage with Aisha(ra):

Muhammad(pbuh) married to Aisha(ra) at the age of 6 but consummated at the age of 9.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his Marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).(Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #64)

Most people think that Aisha(ra) was a young girl when Prophet(pbuh) married her.The question here is that why Prophet(pbuh) waited 3 years from 6 to 9 if he wants to marry a young girl.The only answer is that Prophet(pbuh) waited so that Aisha(ra) may reach puberty.And when she reached puberty at the age of 9 and became a women then the marriage was consummated.As Aisha(ra) herself said:

Aisha said:‘When a girl is nine years old, she is a woman (meaning, she has attained puberty).’(Tirmidhi, Hadith 1109)

In Islam u r allowed to marry when u reach puberty(natural dividing line).In different countries u r allowed to have sexual relations at different ages in pakistan and india it is 18 in some countries it is 21,16,17,14 and in some 12 also, like in countries america,england,germany,hollan d,spain etc.It means that what is legal in one country is illegal in other thats not good rule, we should follow same law made by the GOD.Age of puberty is given by the GOD to everyone so its GOD who decides.The age of puberty depends on different climate ,weather conditions and food we eat.In pakistan and india it is normally 13 or 14 but in america it is 11 or 12 depending upon conditions.There are some cases in which people may reach age of puberty early.Today science tell us near to the equator the chance of puberty is early.This marriage was only done to tell people that they can't have sexual relations without marriage.And the age of marriage is the age of puberty.Its not necessary that u must marry at 9,15,18,21 etc depending on different rules in different countries.When u reach age of puberty u r allowed to marry.When people reach age of puberty some people start desiring to have sex.In Islam u r not allowed to do sex without marriage.And if u marry weather with desire of sex u have to fulfill all the agreements of marriage.U cant leave each other.Then u have to also live as a good couple by building up a family.

Most people think of this marriage as a pedophilia which is completely wrong.The ist thing is that one should know what is pedophilia.Pedophilia is sexually abusing children before they reach puberty.But Muhammad(pbuh) married Aisha(ra) when she was 6 and consummated when she was 9.

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his Marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).(Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #64)

The question is that why Prophet(pbuh) waited 3 years from 6 to 9.The only answer is that so that she may reach puberty and after that the marriage was consummated .So how come this be pedophilia when she has reached puberty and has become a women.As Aisha(ra) herself said:

Aisha said:‘When a girl is nine years old, she is a woman (meaning, she has attained puberty).’(Tirmidhi, Hadith 1109)

So, how come marrying a women becomes pedophilia? And we also know that sexually abused children doesn't remain normal and mentally fit.They require psychiatrist.But we know that Aisha(ra) has narrated approx 2000 Hadiths.Then who come u say that she became the victim of pedophilia.Moreover we know that when someone sexually abuses any girl he did not live with her.And Prophet(pbuh) lived 9 years with her(till death).
TRUE LOVER

Nottingham, UK

#15 Nov 4, 2010
And also science tell us that older the man gets his sexual desires starts decreasing.Muhammad(pbuh) was 53 years old when he married with Aisha(ra).And when he was at his younger age of 25(the age when a person has more sexual desire) he married a widow(Khadiga(ra)) who was 45 years old.Which clearly proves that Muhammad(pbuh) have not done any marriage because of his sexual desires.

Hazrat Ashia(ra) was also the biggest scholar of Islam.At the time of Prophit(pbuh) there were no computers and someone was needed to live with Muhammad(pbuh) to tell people(Muslims)(specially womens) how to follow sunnah of Prophet(pbuh) and live a better life and also to memorize the sayings of Prophit(pbuh) and then narrate to people.And Hazrat Ashia(ra) has narrated thousands of Hadiths.And she has narrated everything which Prophit(pbuh) has said.Because she has spend lot of her time with him.And we know that younger the person is more easy for him/her to learn new things and memorize them.

Hence all this proves that this marriage was completely legal and normal.
Joe

Bath, UK

#16 Nov 5, 2010
TRUE LOVER wrote:
Hence all this proves that this marriage was completely legal and normal.
It may well have been legal. That's because Muhammad made the laws. But was it moral?

Muslims recognise Muhammad as one who led a perfect moral life. A life that is an example to all muslims. If muslims believe that then all muslims of 49 years old should marry a six year old as that is the perfect marriage.

Do you think that all muslim men of 49 years old should be allowed to go to bed with 6 year olds? If not then Muhammad is not the moral paragon of mankind.
jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#17 Nov 5, 2010
TRUE LOVER wrote:
Low age marriages in Christianity:
Mother Mary was 13-14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus.Catholic encyclopedia says"it is possible that Mary gave birth to her Son when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age."Below is the link of Catholic encyclopedia read under the heading of "Mary's pregnancy becomes known to Joseph"
WELL GUESS WHAT IDIOT. 12.5 YEARS OF AGE IS THE AVERAGE AGE A WOMAN STARTS HAVING PERIODS!

Every Jewish female was married off at that age. The last time Joseph appears in person in any Gospel is the story of the Passover visit to the Temple in Jerusalem when Jesus is 12 years old. So if you are correct that he was in his 90s when he married he must have been over 100 years old before he died.
jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#18 Nov 5, 2010
TRUE LOVER wrote:
Rebecca was only 3 years old when she was married to Issac who was 40 years old.
READ GENESIS 24 THAT TELLS ABOUT WHEN SERVANTS FOUND A WIFE FOR ISSAC:
'15 Before he had finished praying, Rebekah came out with her jar on her shoulder. She was the daughter of Bethuel son of Milkah, who was the wife of Abraham’s brother Nahor. 16 THE WOMAN WAS VERY BEEAUTIFUL, a virgin; no man had ever slept with her. She went down to the spring, filled her jar and came up again.'
jesus is

Doncaster, Australia

#19 Nov 5, 2010
AISHA WAS STILL PLAYING WITH TOYS!!!! If she was a woman why didn't her little body produce Muhammed's child?
Malcolm

Plymouth, MI

#20 Nov 5, 2010
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Were they prophets of god? Do Christians claim they set a moral precedent that everyone should follow?
Do you get the difference?
Muslims claim Muhammad led a perfect life and that everyone should follow his example. If you are a muslim you must agree that a 49 year old man marrying a six year old is a perfect marriage.
You and a number of others choose to ignore the facts which makes you prejudice. You also don't know the facts, Muhammad (p) never married a 6 year old girl, I challenge anyone to prove that a ceremony took place when she was 6 years old.

Second Prophet Muhammad (p) married Khadijah when she was 40 years old and a number of women who were older than he was.

So which is the perfect marriage?
Malcolm

Plymouth, MI

#21 Nov 5, 2010
jesus is wrote:
AISHA WAS STILL PLAYING WITH TOYS!!!! If she was a woman why didn't her little body produce Muhammed's child?
Prophet Muhammad (p) had 9 wives, only a few bore him children. That was Khadijah and Maria, I'm not aware of any others having children.

His wife Safiyah was about 17 when he married her yet no children were born to him and Safiyah.
Malcolm

Plymouth, MI

#22 Nov 5, 2010
One key point that gets ignored in this whole discussion is that rape is governed by statutory laws in most Western countries.

Statutes are laws that replace laws, since statutory rape is only about 100 years old in Western countries and their former colonies in Africa, Asia, and the Americas the question is can you prosecute a person of statutory rape who committed the act prior to the statute being passed? The answer is no, if such were the case there would be an untold number of men punished for marrying prior to the statute being passed.

With regard to Muhammad (p) there is an attempt to prosecute him by Western laws, and customs of the 21st century while pardoning Western men who did the same thing at the same time until the 19th century. This is why it would be foolish for any Muslim to take such a person seriously because Americans, Englishmen, French persons etc. don't really believe in their arguments if they did they would start at home.

If they can ignore actual child rapists in midievel europe, but charge Muhammad (p) who took Aisha as a bride then they can't possibliy be taken seriously.

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