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Imam Teaches Kids To Lie The Islamic Way

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#1 Dec 10, 2012
Imam Teaches Kids To Lie The Islamic Way

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porkfoot muhammad pigbuh

Riga, Latvia

#2 Dec 10, 2012
very common all over the world amongst muslims. not surprised.
UK Soldier

UK

#3 Dec 10, 2012
Most countries they are tought to view non-muslims as cattle....if they are not owned or used by other muslims they are fair game for slaughter or anything else.

Since: Aug 12

Turkey

#4 Dec 10, 2012
I understand what he want to tell .

I'm sure you understand too.

But it is false shape description , false representative .

A great sin to tell lie in Islam .
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#5 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
I understand what he want to tell .
I'm sure you understand too.
But it is false shape description , false representative .
A great sin to tell lie in Islam .
Could you please tell me where in the quran dose it say you must not lie ?

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#6 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
I understand what he want to tell .
I'm sure you understand too.
But it is false shape description , false representative .
A great sin to tell lie in Islam .
It's understood, but Muslims like you cannot understand why we reject this as immoral.

Muslims like you refuse to even try to understand why we reject Islam and it's teachings. We UNDERSTAND Islam and we REJECT it because it is an evil ideology with no redeeming qualities. You're a great example of that.
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#7 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
I understand what he want to tell .
I'm sure you understand too.
But it is false shape description , false representative .
A great sin to tell lie in Islam .
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106)- Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28)- This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”
Qur'an (9:3)-“…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (2:225)-“Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”
Qur'an (66:2)-“Allah has already ordained for you,(O men), the dissolution of your oaths”
Qur'an (3:54)-“And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.(See also
8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.
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#8 Dec 10, 2012
Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!

It is impossible to understand Islam and Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

It seems our President and his advisors are clueless as to the desires, doctrines, and distinctives of Islam. While I feel a little audacious in giving advice to national leaders, it is necessary since no one else is doing it. Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie:(1) to save their lives,(2) to reconcile a husband and wife,(3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.
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#9 Dec 10, 2012
Mohammed gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed. I could provide many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith and will do so when my critics accuse me of hatred and bigotry because of this column. My motives are not important but the truth is. However, many unprincipled people do not consider truth important. It is political correctness that sits on the throne to be worshiped.

Muslims may appear very sincere; in fact, they are sincere, when they lie for their own protection or in the cause of Islam. They have permission to lie. Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. However, a Muslim has no guilt since the Koran and Hadith permit his deception.

They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Unlike Christians who are saved once for all by the grace of God through faith in Christ’s propitiatory death, no Muslim knows for sure if his works are good enough for Heaven. The only Muslim who knows for sure that his eternal destiny is secure and he will drop into a delightful garden filled with 72 virgins on soft green cushions is the one who dies while “taking out” unbelievers in Islam.

Most Muslims will not have the “opportunity” to become a martyr in this war between Islam and the rest of the world and make no mistake every true Muslim must be involved in making America (or the nation where he lives) a Muslim nation. Since Muslims are limited in their ability to die for the cause, they can help the cause by supporting terrorists with money, succor, and cover. Sure, they are aiding terror against the U.S. but since they believe they are doing Allah’s will, then any deception is acceptable.

How should this affect America’s war on terror? Officials must look closely at every Muslim chaplain in the military and in our prisons; also look at those involved in the CIA, FBI, and other sensitive areas; look at all Arabic translators, military or civilian; look at all Muslim employees at the Pentagon, White House, atomic power plants, and in Congress; look at all civilian Muslim pilots; look at Muslim clerics in all U.S. mosques. In other words, get serious about this war before our cities are rubble.

Our President must stop playing the game of “Let’s Stop the Terrorists” and get serious by going to the heart of the matter. This war on terror is a religious matter and could become a Hundred Years’ War. To resurrect an old slogan: You can trust the Muslims to be Muslims. They are lying their way to world domination!

Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable.
george whyte

Barking, UK

#10 Dec 10, 2012
From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2)- "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.

Since: Aug 12

Gaziantep, Turkey

#11 Dec 10, 2012
Quran forbids to lying .

Surah Haj (22:30)

Surah Zumar (39:32)

Surah Azhab (33:70)

etc...

“Freedom, NOT islam.”

Since: Feb 11

Birmingham UK

#12 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
I understand what he want to tell .
I'm sure you understand too.
But it is false shape description , false representative .
A great sin to tell lie in Islam .
Hi B_Girl_Turco
Thanks for clearing that up.
Now, can you help with something else? What exactly is Al Taqiya?
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#13 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
Quran forbids to lying .
Surah Haj (22:30)
Surah Zumar (39:32)
Surah Azhab (33:70)
etc...
Surah Haj (22:30)

Sahih International
That [has been commanded], and whoever honors the sacred ordinances of Allah - it is best for him in the sight of his Lord. And permitted to you are the grazing livestock, except what is recited to you. So avoid the uncleanliness of idols and avoid false statement,

Surah Zumar (39:32)

Sahih International
So who is more unjust than one who lies about Allah and denies the truth when it has come to him? Is there not in Hell a residence for the disbelievers?

Surah Azhab (33:70)

Sahih International
O you who have believed, fear Allah and speak words of appropriate justice.

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106)- Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28)- This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”
Qur'an (9:3)-“…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (2:225)-“Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”
Qur'an (66:2)-“Allah has already ordained for you,(O men), the dissolution of your oaths”
Qur'an (3:54)-“And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same.(See also
8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

there's so many contradictions in in quran ??????????

Since: Aug 12

Gaziantep, Turkey

#14 Dec 10, 2012
There is no contradictions in Quran .

Your trying to misunderstand .

For ex ;

(16:106)'if you do bad things , although you love Allah(c.c)(Except as required), they have a great punishment'

3:28 'Do not be friendly enemies of Allah'

etc etc

what makes you think there are contradictions ?

Tyr to understand . Dont ask me please .

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#15 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
A great sin to tell lie in Islam .
Mohammed condoned lying.
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Netherlands

#16 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
There is no contradictions in Quran .
Your trying to misunderstand .
For ex ;
(16:106)'if you do bad things , although you love Allah(c.c)(Except as required), they have a great punishment'
3:28 'Do not be friendly enemies of Allah'
etc etc
what makes you think there are contradictions ?
Tyr to understand . Dont ask me please .
Question:
Are Muslims permitted to lie?



Summary Answer:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:



Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.


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#17 Dec 10, 2012
Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."
Though not called Taqiyya by name, Muhammad clearly used deception when he signed a 10-year treaty with the Meccans that allowed him access to their city while he secretly prepared his own forces for a takeover. The unsuspecting residents were conquered in easy fashion after he broke the treaty two years later, and some of the people in the city who had trusted him at his word were executed.
Another example of lying is when Muhammad used deception to trick his personal enemies into letting down their guard and exposing themselves to slaughter by pretending to seek peace. This happened in the case of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf (as previously noted) and again later against Usayr ibn Zarim, a surviving leader of the Banu Nadir tribe, which had been evicted from their home in Medina by the Muslims.
At the time, Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims from among a tribe allied with the Quraish (against which Muhammad had already declared war). Muhammad's "emissaries" went to ibn Zarim and persuaded him to leave his safe haven on the pretext of meeting with the prophet of Islam in Medina to discuss peace. Once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were massacred by the Muslims with ease, belying the probability that they were mostly unarmed, having been given a guarantee of safe passage (Ibn Ishaq 981).
Such was the reputation of Muslims for lying and then killing that even those who "accepted Islam" did not feel entirely safe. The fate of the Jadhima is tragic evidence for this. When Muslim "missionaries" approached their tribe one of the members insisted that they would be slaughtered even though they had already "converted" to Islam to avoid just such a demise. However, the others were convinced that they could trust the Muslim leader's promise that they would not be harmed if they simply offered no resistance.(After convincing the skeptic to lay down his arms, the unarmed men of the tribe were quickly tied up and beheaded - Ibn Ishaq 834 & 837).
Today's Muslims often try to justify Muhammad's murder of poets and others who criticized him at Medina by saying that they broke a treaty by their actions. Yet, these same apologists place little value on treaties broken by Muslims. From Muhammad to Saddam Hussein, promises made to non-Muslim are distinctly non-binding in the Muslim mindset.
Leaders in the Arab world routinely say one thing to English-speaking audiences and then something entirely different to their own people in Arabic. Yassir Arafat was famous for telling Western newspapers about his desire for peace with Israel, then turning right around and whipping Palestinians into a hateful and violent frenzy against Jews.
The 9/11 hijackers practiced deception by going into bars and drinking alcohol, thus throwing off potential suspicion that they were fundamentalists plotting jihad. This effort worked so well, in fact, that even weeks after 9/11, John Walsh, the host of a popular American television show, said that their bar trips were evidence of 'hypocrisy.'
The transmission from Flight 93 records the hijackers telling their doomed passengers that there is "a bomb on board" but that everyone will "be safe" as long as "their demands are met." Obviously none of these things were true, but these men, who were so intensely devoted to Islam that they were willing to "slay and be slain for the cause of Allah" (as the Qur'an puts it) saw nothing wrong with employing Taqiyya in order to facilitate their mission of mass murder.

“Fly low, fly fast.”

Since: Apr 07

East Midlands, UK

#18 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
There is no contradictions in Quran .
Your trying to misunderstand .
For ex ;
(16:106)'if you do bad things , although you love Allah(c.c)(Except as required), they have a great punishment'
3:28 'Do not be friendly enemies of Allah'
etc etc
what makes you think there are contradictions ?
Tyr to understand . Dont ask me please .
Why not ask your Imam?
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Netherlands

#19 Dec 10, 2012
The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) insists that it "has not now or ever been involved with the Muslim Brotherhood, or supported any covert, illegal, or terrorist activity or organization." In fact, it was created by the Muslim Brotherhood and has bankrolled Hamas. At least nine founders or board members of ISNA have been accused by prosecutors of supporting terrorism.



Prior to engineering several deadly terror plots, such as the Fort Hood massacre and the attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was regularly sought out by NPR, PBS and even government leaders to expound on the peaceful nature of Islam.



The near absence of Qur'anic verse and reliable Hadith that encourage truthfulness is somewhat surprising, given that many Muslims are convinced that their religion teaches honesty. In fact, it is because of this ingrained belief that many Muslims are quite honest. When lying is addressed in the Qur'an, it is nearly always in reference to the "lies against Allah" - referring to the Jews and Christians who rejected Muhammad's claim to being a prophet.



Finally, the circumstances by which Muhammad allowed a believer to lie to a non-spouse are limited to those that either advance the cause of Islam or enable a Muslim to avoid harm to his well-being (and presumably that of other Muslims as well). Although this should be kept very much in mind when dealing with matters of global security, such as Iran's nuclear intentions, it is not grounds for assuming that the Muslim one might personally encounter on the street or in the workplace is any less honest than anyone else.
PATRIOT

Carmel, ME

#20 Dec 10, 2012
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
There is no contradictions in Quran .
Your trying to misunderstand .
For ex ;
(16:106)'if you do bad things , although you love Allah(c.c)(Except as required), they have a great punishment'
3:28 'Do not be friendly enemies of Allah'
etc etc
what makes you think there are contradictions ?
Tyr to understand . Dont ask me please .
Please tell us where anything in your post answers the question about lying in the Quran? Have you been taught to lie? Simple question and simple answer.

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