Proof Allah does not exist.

Proof Allah does not exist.

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spandexxx

Rijswijk, Netherlands

#1 Jun 4, 2013
I have proof that Allah does not exist,its perfect and irrefutable but i wil not show it to you.
It is invisible and can not be detected and you can not use logic to see or find it.

What??You don't believe i have proof that god does not exist??Then prove me wrong;)
Muhammad

London, UK

#2 Jun 4, 2013
Bang. You're wrong.
Naman

Ørsta, Norway

#3 Jun 5, 2013
Muhammad wrote:
Bang. You're wrong.
Go to http://www.1000mistakes.com and you will find documented a large quantity of errors, contradictions, etc. in the Quran. No omniscient god makes mistakes or contradictions - which prove that the Quran is not from any god. This again proves that at least like described in the Quran, Allah is no god.
http://www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans - not Muslims.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#4 Jun 5, 2013
Naman wrote:
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Go to http://www.1000mistakes.com and you will find documented a large quantity of errors, contradictions, etc. in the Quran. No omniscient god makes mistakes or contradictions - which prove that the Quran is not from any god. This again proves that at least like described in the Quran, Allah is no god.
http://www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans - not Muslims.
Muhammad took the worst from the Bible and created a pseudo religion. It is plain to see that the rubbish in the Koran could not have been written by a god. Only a semi-literate could write such boring repetitive bloodlust.
Naman

Ørsta, Norway

#5 Jun 6, 2013
Onelawforall wrote:
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Muhammad took the worst from the Bible and created a pseudo religion. It is plain to see that the rubbish in the Koran could not have been written by a god. Only a semi-literate could write such boring repetitive bloodlust.
He did not take it from the Bible, but from legends, apocryphals, and even fairy tales based on the Bible, but very often quite different from what the Bible really says. Most of the sources for Muhammad's tales are known.

But you are right that no book that full of errors, contradictions, etc. can be from a god. It is heresy and slander against any god to blame him for a book of that quality.

http://www.1000mistakes.com
The many errors, contradiction, etc. in the Quran prove it is not from a god, and thus that their correct name is Muhammadans.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#6 Jun 6, 2013
Naman wrote:
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He did not take it from the Bible, but from legends, apocryphals, and even fairy tales based on the Bible, but very often quite different from what the Bible really says. Most of the sources for Muhammad's tales are known.
But you are right that no book that full of errors, contradictions, etc. can be from a god. It is heresy and slander against any god to blame him for a book of that quality.
http://www.1000mistakes.com
The many errors, contradiction, etc. in the Quran prove it is not from a god, and thus that their correct name is Muhammadans.
It may have been from story tellers in the souk and he was not very intelligent so he only half remembered the tales but there can be no doubt the origin of the Koran is the Bible. the laws of Islam are very close to Biblical laws from the OT. In fact Muhammad saw himself as a continuation of the Jewish prophets but the Jews laughed at his pretensions and that is why he turned against them.
Naman

Ørsta, Norway

#7 Jun 6, 2013
Onelawforall wrote:
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It may have been from story tellers in the souk and he was not very intelligent so he only half remembered the tales but there can be no doubt the origin of the Koran is the Bible. the laws of Islam are very close to Biblical laws from the OT. In fact Muhammad saw himself as a continuation of the Jewish prophets but the Jews laughed at his pretensions and that is why he turned against them.
It is highly likely he got his tales from story tellers in the souk, like you say. But the stories were legends, fairy tales, apocryphals (made up stories), etc., not recitation from the Bible. The real sources for most of his tales are known.

Beware that Muhammad was quite intelligent. His mistake was that he did not check his sources, and thus ended far from the Bible (and had to claim that the Bible was falsified, to explain away his mistakes - a claim which is proved wrong by both science and Islam).

Beware that even if Muhammad saw himself as a member of the Jewish line of prophets, he all the same took much material from other religions, mainly from the old pagan Arab religion and from Persian Zoroastrism.

The reason why the Jews did not accept him, simply was that they knew their scriptures and saw how far Muhammad was from the Bible. As most of his tales were from local folklore, it is likely they also saw from where he had taken his stories and claims ("--- he is just telling old tales", they correctly said).

http://www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans, not Muslims.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#8 Jun 6, 2013
Naman wrote:
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It is highly likely he got his tales from story tellers in the souk, like you say. But the stories were legends, fairy tales, apocryphals (made up stories), etc., not recitation from the Bible. The real sources for most of his tales are known.
Beware that Muhammad was quite intelligent. His mistake was that he did not check his sources, and thus ended far from the Bible (and had to claim that the Bible was falsified, to explain away his mistakes - a claim which is proved wrong by both science and Islam).
Beware that even if Muhammad saw himself as a member of the Jewish line of prophets, he all the same took much material from other religions, mainly from the old pagan Arab religion and from Persian Zoroastrism.
The reason why the Jews did not accept him, simply was that they knew their scriptures and saw how far Muhammad was from the Bible. As most of his tales were from local folklore, it is likely they also saw from where he had taken his stories and claims ("--- he is just telling old tales", they correctly said).
http://www.1000mistakes.com
Muhammadans, not Muslims.
The Koran is directly sourced from the Bible. Muhammad cites Adam, Moses, Jacob, David & jesus amongst others as being muslims. This is not fairy tales. The people reciting the tales in the souk were Jews & Christians trying to convert people to their religion. Muhammad saw the opportunity of stealing their stories and calling himself the latest prophet thus obtaining power and self indulgence.
Muhammad was not intelligent. He was practically illiterate. A cursory glance at the koran would show you that. It is so badly written that even Arabic speakers cannot comprehend it. The most you could say for Muhammad was that he was street savvy. He saw an opportunity and he grabbed it.

“M.A....Rise”

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#9 Jun 9, 2013
spandexxx wrote:
I have proof that Allah does not exist,its perfect and irrefutable but i wil not show it to you.
It is invisible and can not be detected and you can not use logic to see or find it.
What??You don't believe i have proof that god does not exist??Then prove me wrong;)
ALLAH is real....ALLAH exists....Islam is the truth

There is no such doubt in Prophethood of Muhammad for the archaeological evidences that prove his words.

Your western scientists hide the discoveries of ancient giant human skeletons and mummies in order to not prove islam and muhammad words

Muhammad gave a complete details of how early ancient life was and all discoveries prove his words exactly.

“M.A....Rise”

Since: Jan 12

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#10 Jun 9, 2013
You guys are misguided by the satanic western scientists who turn away ppl from ALLAH

Since: Apr 11

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#11 Jun 9, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
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ALLAH is real....ALLAH exists....Islam is the truth
There is no such doubt in Prophethood of Muhammad for the archaeological evidences that prove his words.
Your western scientists hide the discoveries of ancient giant human skeletons and mummies in order to not prove islam and muhammad words
Muhammad gave a complete details of how early ancient life was and all discoveries prove his words exactly.
Muhammad lied to the ignorant pagan Arabs and they believed him.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#12 Jun 10, 2013
Salaamz O Disbelievers! LOL! Ash Shadu An La Ilaha Ill ALLAH,Wa Muhammadar Rasulullah! Hayya Ala Salah...Hayah Ala Salah,Hayah Ala Falah...Hayah Ala Falah, ALLAHU AKBAR,La Ilaha Ill ALLAH! CheerZ
Naman

Ørsta, Norway

#14 Jun 14, 2013
Onelawforall wrote:
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The Koran is directly sourced from the Bible. Muhammad cites Adam, Moses, Jacob, David & jesus amongst others as being muslims. This is not fairy tales. The people reciting the tales in the souk were Jews & Christians trying to convert people to their religion. Muhammad saw the opportunity of stealing their stories and calling himself the latest prophet thus obtaining power and self indulgence.
Muhammad was not intelligent. He was practically illiterate. A cursory glance at the koran would show you that. It is so badly written that even Arabic speakers cannot comprehend it. The most you could say for Muhammad was that he was street savvy. He saw an opportunity and he grabbed it.
Sorry, but this is wrong on several points. Muhammad likely never saw a full Bible, and the old Jewish scriptures hardly until after he came to Medina. He took his stories from local folklore, legends, apocryphals, and fairy tales - the real sources are known to science for most of his tales, and hardly one single is directly from the Bible. But naturally legends and fairy tales based on Biblical stories, may sound Biblical, but details or more differ, sometimes much.
You also is wrong saying Muhammad was not intelligent. It is not possible to manipulate people as much as Muhammad did, without well above normal intelligence.
As for illiteracy both Muhammad and Islam claimed/claim this. Muhammad had not one valid proof neither for his claimed god nor for his own connection to a god. The claim that he was illiterate both he and later Muhammadans used/use as a "proof" for that he could not have made up the Quran - nonsense as it is the brain and not the hand which makes up stories. Sience is pretty skeptical to the claim that he was illiterate, and for several rational reasons.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#15 Jun 14, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
<quoted text>
ALLAH is real....ALLAH exists....Islam is the truth
There is no such doubt in Prophethood of Muhammad for the archaeological evidences that prove his words.
Your western scientists hide the discoveries of ancient giant human skeletons and mummies in order to not prove islam and muhammad words
Muhammad gave a complete details of how early ancient life was and all discoveries prove his words exactly.
Salaamz & Salutations E.L. Good post with very pointed facts. Add to that these words from the Tauraat(5 books of moses)as proof of ALLAHs existence,right out of His own Mouth to Moses.;"I ! Am the LORD thy GOD! Thou Shalt have NO-OTHER-GODS-BEFORE-ME!" Every old testement Prophet knew the truth and espoused the facts concerning our beloved monothiestic GOD. CheerZ
Naman

Ørsta, Norway

#16 Jun 17, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>Salaamz & Salutations E.L. Good post with very pointed facts. Add to that these words from the Tauraat(5 books of moses)as proof of ALLAHs existence,right out of His own Mouth to Moses.;"I ! Am the LORD thy GOD! Thou Shalt have NO-OTHER-GODS-BEFORE-ME!" Every old testement Prophet knew the truth and espoused the facts concerning our beloved monothiestic GOD. CheerZ
You have a problem here. In the Bible the god is Yahveh. In the Quran it is Allah (earlier al-Lah, earlier al-Ilah, earlier simply Il). And Muhammad's claim that these two gods are the same god, is not true - they are too different to be the same one. Thus the Books of Moses in case show (not prove, but show - there is no proof for the god in OT, may be in NT, but not in OT) Yahweh, but not Allah.

I know very well Muhammad's and the Quran's never proved claim here, but I am able to read myself, and the differences between the two gods, between their paradises, between their hells, and not least between f.x. their moral codes, are too fundanemtal for the two to be the same one. Not unless the god is strongly schizophrenic.
Naman

Ørsta, Norway

#17 Jun 17, 2013
Naman wrote:
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You have a problem here. In the Bible the god is Yahveh. In the Quran it is Allah (earlier al-Lah, earlier al-Ilah, earlier simply Il). And Muhammad's claim that these two gods are the same god, is not true - they are too different to be the same one. Thus the Books of Moses in case show (not prove, but show - there is no proof for the god in OT, may be in NT, but not in OT) Yahweh, but not Allah.
I know very well Muhammad's and the Quran's never proved claim here, but I am able to read myself, and the differences between the two gods, between their paradises, between their hells, and not least between f.x. their moral codes, are too fundanemtal for the two to be the same one. Not unless the god is strongly schizophrenic.
I also may add that all the mistaken facts, contradictions, other errors, etc. in the Quran prove that the book is not from any god - no god delivers a book of that quality.

http://www.1000mistakes.com
"Muhammadans, not Muslims".
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#19 Jun 17, 2013
Naman wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a problem here. In the Bible the god is Yahveh. In the Quran it is Allah (earlier al-Lah, earlier al-Ilah, earlier simply Il). And Muhammad's claim that these two gods are the same god, is not true - they are too different to be the same one. Thus the Books of Moses in case show (not prove, but show - there is no proof for the god in OT, may be in NT, but not in OT) Yahweh, but not Allah.
I know very well Muhammad's and the Quran's never proved claim here, but I am able to read myself, and the differences between the two gods, between their paradises, between their hells, and not least between f.x. their moral codes, are too fundanemtal for the two to be the same one. Not unless the god is strongly schizophrenic.
SalaamZ Naman ,& Salutations. An easy mistake to make.Search a bit deeper,for the Almighty has many faces and has revealed just enough information to all cultures at certain points of their own evolution to help them move upward on the scale.I wouldnt call His plan one of a schizophrenic nature as much as one broad enough in its scope to bring all of humanity forward in its evolutionary processes concerning their spiritual natures as it relates to them as created beings. For instance you may be familiar with these names For God;Adoni,Allah,Eloheim, Yahweh,Jehoveh,Masseh & Manitou.Just to name a few of many attached to the One and Only GOD.Coincidence? maybe,but enough of one to warrant further investigations. May ALLAH lead us ever forward in our search for the truthes. CheerZ

Since: Apr 11

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#20 Jun 17, 2013
Egyptian_lad wrote:
<quoted text>
ALLAH is real....ALLAH exists....Islam is the truth
There is no such doubt in Prophethood of Muhammad for the archaeological evidences that prove his words.
Your western scientists hide the discoveries of ancient giant human skeletons and mummies in order to not prove islam and muhammad words
Muhammad gave a complete details of how early ancient life was and all discoveries prove his words exactly.
Allah exist as an delusion in your mind.
You live the sinful life of Muhammad.
All that you do in your worship of this delusional Allah is for pleasing the dead man Muhammad.

Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#21 Jun 18, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Allah exist as an delusion in your mind.
You live the sinful life of Muhammad.
All that you do in your worship of this delusional Allah is for pleasing the dead man Muhammad.
SalaamZ Shammy! LOL! that would be ILLUSION in your mind. However it is No illusion That the Lord of the hosts of heaven(ALLAH) does truely exist.Prove, If you can, That He does NOT! For Truely I can prove that HE Does exist with reasonable examples that even you can fathom.LOL! CheerZ
Onelawforall

London, UK

#22 Jun 19, 2013
Naman wrote:
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Sorry, but this is wrong on several points. Muhammad likely never saw a full Bible, and the old Jewish scriptures hardly until after he came to Medina. He took his stories from local folklore, legends, apocryphals, and fairy tales - the real sources are known to science for most of his tales, and hardly one single is directly from the Bible. But naturally legends and fairy tales based on Biblical stories, may sound Biblical, but details or more differ, sometimes much.
You also is wrong saying Muhammad was not intelligent. It is not possible to manipulate people as much as Muhammad did, without well above normal intelligence.
As for illiteracy both Muhammad and Islam claimed/claim this. Muhammad had not one valid proof neither for his claimed god nor for his own connection to a god. The claim that he was illiterate both he and later Muhammadans used/use as a "proof" for that he could not have made up the Quran - nonsense as it is the brain and not the hand which makes up stories. Sience is pretty skeptical to the claim that he was illiterate, and for several rational reasons.
It does not matter whether he saw a bible or not. There were plenty of prophets in the souks, Jews & christians, giving their interpretation of the Bible and stories from the Bible. Muhammad heard these stories and stole them. I'm not saying he did not steal folklores also but his main souce was the Bible. He claimed Moses, Abraham, Isaac, jesus etc as muslims and he was a continuation of the line of jewish prophets.
I said he was street wise. That means he was a demagogue. Hitler was a demagogue and could rouse a crowd with his speeches but his intelligence was limited. He knew a few facts and made preposterous conclusioons from them. As did Muhammad. To be intelliegent you have to be rational. Neither Hitler or Muhammad was rational. I believe Muhammad suffered from psychosis and delusions of grandeur. As did Hitler. Definitely not intelligent.
Whether he was literate or not is not important. this claim was used in the past by muslims to claim that an illiterate man could not have copied the Bible as he was accused of doing. But in those days people relied on memory rather than literacy and his memory was not that good and that is why he got many of the Biblical stories wrong.

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