Darfur: Not a Christian - Muslim Conf...

Darfur: Not a Christian - Muslim Conflict

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A Former Christian

Saudi Arabia

#1 Apr 2, 2007
The mainstream media, especially in the United States, has tried to portray Darfur with the same template it used to depict Sudan's north-south war - which, in the broad brushstrokes of standard wire agency reporting, pitted a largely Christian and animist south against Khartoum's Islamist government forces from the Arab-influenced north.

As a result, it took a lot of journalists a while to find out there weren't any oppressed Christians in Darfur. And once they learnt it wasn't about religion, they portrayed it as a conflict between government-backed Arabs and Africans, and assumed that slavery was an issue.

They largely ignored the tension between pastoralist peoples and nomads which have led to stretched resources, against a backdrop of ecological disaster and rising population as the desert encroaches from the north.

Background
The conflict taking place in Darfur has many interwoven causes. While rooted in structural inequality between the center of the country around the Nile and the 'peripheral' areas such as Darfur, tensions were exacerbated in the last two decades of the twentieth century by a combination of environmental calamity, political opportunism and regional politics. A point of particular confusion has been the characterization of the conflict as one between 'Arab' and 'African' populations, a dichotomy that one historian describes as "both true and false".[4] Western powers have also been accused of covertly exacerbating tensions to counter recent Chinese-Sudanese oil cooperation, and to deter further oil deals by China in the region.[5]

In the late fourteenth or early fifteenth century, the Keira dynasty of the Fur people of the Marrah Mountains established a sultanate with Islam as the state religion. The sultanate was conquered by the Turco-Egyptian force expanding south along the Nile, which was in turn defeated by the Muhammad Ahmad, the self-proclaimed Mahdi. The Mahdist state collapsed under the onslaught of the British force led by Herbert Kitchener, who established an Anglo-Egyptian co-dominium to rule Sudan. The British allowed Darfur de jure autonomy until 1916 when they invaded and incorporated the region into Sudan.[6] Within Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, the bulk of resources were devoted toward Khartoum and Blue Nile Province, leaving the rest of the country relatively undeveloped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict
A Former Christian

Saudi Arabia

#2 Apr 2, 2007
Q&A: Sudan's Darfur conflict

Many thousands of displaced people are in need of relief supplies
The African Union (AU) peacekeeping force in Darfur is struggling to halt widespread abuses and violence, but Sudan is rejecting plans for it to hand over to a larger, stronger UN mission.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/34967...
A Former Christian

Saudi Arabia

#3 Apr 2, 2007
How did the conflict start?

The conflict began in the arid and impoverished region early in 2003 after a rebel group began attacking government targets, saying the region was being neglected by Khartoum.

The rebels say the government is oppressing black Africans in favour of Arabs.

Darfur, which means land of the Fur, has faced many years of tension over land and grazing rights between the mostly nomadic Arabs, and farmers from the Fur, Massaleet and Zagawa communities.

There are two main rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (Jem), although the peace talks were complicated by splits in both groups, some along ethnic lines.

The groups opposed to a May peace deal with the government have now merged into the National Redemption Front led by former Darfur governor Ahmed Diraige.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/34967...
A Former Christian

Saudi Arabia

#4 Apr 2, 2007
Darfur conflict zones map

The conflict in Darfur in western Sudan began in 2003 after rebel groups began attacking government targets, saying their communities were being discriminated against in favour of Arabs.

Darfur, which means land of the Fur, has faced many years of tension over land and grazing rights between the mostly nomadic Arabs, and farmers from the Fur, Massaleet and Zagawa communities.

The BBC News website examines how this instability has spilled over into neighbouring Chad and the Central African Republic.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/62132...
jimbo

United States

#5 Apr 2, 2007
A Former Christian wrote:
How did the conflict start?

The conflict began in the arid and impoverished region early in 2003 after a rebel group began attacking government targets, saying the region was being neglected by Khartoum.

The rebels say the government is oppressing black Africans in favour of Arabs.

Darfur, which means land of the Fur, has faced many years of tension over land and grazing rights between the mostly nomadic Arabs, and farmers from the Fur, Massaleet and Zagawa communities.

There are two main rebel groups, the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (Jem), although the peace talks were complicated by splits in both groups, some along ethnic lines.

The groups opposed to a May peace deal with the government have now merged into the National Redemption Front led by former Darfur governor Ahmed Diraige.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/34967...
But why is it that mainly Christians are being slaughtered?
Danetoo

UK

#6 Apr 2, 2007
I just knew that we would get a story attempting to disprove that muslims are killing christians ...

It HAD to happen .. I predicted it on the other thread, and voila !! Here it is ...

It is a rather convoluted story above, but facts remain .. christians are being slaughtered by muslims ... for whatever reason.
Marco

Frederikssund, Denmark

#7 Apr 2, 2007
Danetoo wrote:
I just knew that we would get a story attempting to disprove that muslims are killing christians ...

It HAD to happen .. I predicted it on the other thread, and voila !! Here it is ...

It is a rather convoluted story above, but facts remain .. christians are being slaughtered by muslims ... for whatever reason.
But he does make the correct point that Darfur is NOT a christian-muslim conflict. There are NO christians being killed in Darfur, because there ARE NO christians in Darfur (or at least very very few).

It is not even a very clear-cut black-African vs Arab-African conflict. One thing is sure, however: muslims don't know how to handle a conflict where muslims are killing muslims, and therefore have decided to ignore the conflict as much as possible.

On the other hand, it should be noted that the media has NOT made Darfur into a christian-muslim conflict. To prove my point, two links from CNN and the BBC:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/03/25/da...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3737566.stm
What really matters

Saudi Arabia

#8 Apr 2, 2007
Danetoo wrote:
I just knew that we would get a story attempting to disprove that muslims are killing christians ...

It HAD to happen .. I predicted it on the other thread, and voila !! Here it is ...

It is a rather convoluted story above, but facts remain .. christians are being slaughtered by muslims ... for whatever reason.
Your predictions did not work on who is killing who in Darfur? Did you predict that it is Muslims slaughtering Christians? Can you predict where those Christians came from when they were not in Darfur prior to your prediction they were "being slaughtered by muslims ... for whatever reason."
Please educate us when you return.~L~
A Former Christian

Saudi Arabia

#9 Apr 3, 2007
The starting point of the conflict in the Darfur region is typically said to be 26 February 2003, when a group calling itself the Darfur Liberation Front (DLF) publicly claimed credit for an attack on Golo, the headquarters of Jebel Marra District.
Even prior to this attack, however, a conflict had erupted in Darfur, as rebels had already attacked police stations, army outposts and military convoys, and the government had engaged in a massive air and land assault on the rebel stronghold in the Marrah Mountains.
A Former Christian

Saudi Arabia

#10 Apr 3, 2007
It should be noted that nearly all of the residents of Darfur are Muslim, as are the Janjaweed and the government leaders in Khartoum.
jimbo

United States

#11 Apr 3, 2007
A Former Christian wrote:
It should be noted that nearly all of the residents of Darfur are Muslim, as are the Janjaweed and the government leaders in Khartoum.
So again. Muslim on Muslim violence.

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#12 Apr 4, 2007
jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
So again. Muslim on Muslim violence.
Indeed it is. I wish people would be able to see that, rather than trying to see interfaith conflicts everywhere.

It is a good example of a conflict that muslims preferably do not want to discuss, because they can't blame the US, or the West, or Christians, or Jews.
Leah

Hull, UK

#13 Apr 4, 2007
Marco the atheist wrote:
<quoted text>

Indeed it is. I wish people would be able to see that, rather than trying to see interfaith conflicts everywhere.

It is a good example of a conflict that muslims preferably do not want to discuss, because they can't blame the US, or the West, or Christians, or Jews.
Marco do muslims not have a 'conscience', if they do then why don't they use it.
god

Hot Springs, MT

#14 Apr 4, 2007
A Former Christian wrote:
The mainstream media, especially in the United States, has tried to portray Darfur with the same template it used to depict Sudan's north-south war - which, in the broad brushstrokes of standard wire agency reporting, pitted a largely Christian and animist south against Khartoum's Islamist government forces from the Arab-influenced north.

As a result, it took a lot of journalists a while to find out there weren't any oppressed Christians in Darfur. And once they learnt it wasn't about religion, they portrayed it as a conflict between government-backed Arabs and Africans, and assumed that slavery was an issue.

They largely ignored the tension between pastoralist peoples and nomads which have led to stretched resources, against a backdrop of ecological disaster and rising population as the desert encroaches from the north.

Background
The conflict taking place in Darfur has many interwoven causes. While rooted in structural inequality between the center of the country around the Nile and the 'peripheral' areas such as Darfur, tensions were exacerbated in the last two decades of the twentieth century by a combination of environmental calamity, political opportunism and regional politics. A point of particular confusion has been the characterization of the conflict as one between 'Arab' and 'African' populations, a dichotomy that one historian describes as "both true and false".[4] Western powers have also been accused of covertly exacerbating tensions to counter recent Chinese-Sudanese oil cooperation, and to deter further oil deals by China in the region.[5]

In the late fourteenth or early fifteenth century, the Keira dynasty of the Fur people of the Marrah Mountains established a sultanate with Islam as the state religion. The sultanate was conquered by the Turco-Egyptian force expanding south along the Nile, which was in turn defeated by the Muhammad Ahmad, the self-proclaimed Mahdi. The Mahdist state collapsed under the onslaught of the British force led by Herbert Kitchener, who established an Anglo-Egyptian co-dominium to rule Sudan. The British allowed Darfur de jure autonomy until 1916 when they invaded and incorporated the region into Sudan.[6] Within Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, the bulk of resources were devoted toward Khartoum and Blue Nile Province, leaving the rest of the country relatively undeveloped.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict
youre a typical obfuscating lying leftist. you want the world harmonious under a world gov of either marxists or muz or a combination of both. sure all conflicts have many causes. but the difference in religion is surely one of them

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#15 Apr 4, 2007
Leah wrote:
<quoted text>Marco do muslims not have a 'conscience', if they do then why don't they use it.
It would not be the first time in history where conscience comes into conflict with "conviction". Many Germans in Nazi-Germany knew deep down inside that they were doing something wrong, but the society around them continuously attacked that conscience. The conviction was that the doctrine was right. Same goes for muslims: they are told/taught the doctrine, and don't know a way out when their conscience tells them something else. Their (micro)societies(*) don't allow questioning of anything.

(*) microsocieties include the family and friends
jimbo

United States

#16 Apr 4, 2007
god wrote:
<quoted text>

youre a typical obfuscating lying leftist. you want the world harmonious under a world gov of either marxists or muz or a combination of both. sure all conflicts have many causes. but the difference in religion is surely one of them
Believe me the leftists will be the first lead to slaughter by the Islamofascists.

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#17 Apr 5, 2007
jimbo wrote:
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Believe me the leftists will be the first lead to slaughter by the Islamofascists.
Perhaps, but our dear poster "god" didn't have one single argument against what was written. Not surprising, since (most of) it was correct. Darfur is simply NOT a religious conflict.

It was the archetypical "darn, I am exposed for my ignorance, let's throw in a few insults and hopefully shift the discussion"-approach.
Leah

Hull, UK

#18 Apr 5, 2007
Marco the atheist wrote:
<quoted text>
It would not be the first time in history where conscience comes into conflict with "conviction". Many Germans in Nazi-Germany knew deep down inside that they were doing something wrong, but the society around them continuously attacked that conscience. The conviction was that the doctrine was right. Same goes for muslims: they are told/taught the doctrine, and don't know a way out when their conscience tells them something else. Their (micro)societies(*) don't allow questioning of anything.
(*) microsocieties include the family and friends
Thank you Marco, I just feel that sometimes we should listen to our conscience more instead of allowing ourselves to be led like sheep!
Conscience tells us what is right and what is wrong, suppressing it must eventually take its toll, leading to feelings of guilt and anger or even depression.
What really matters

Saudi Arabia

#19 Apr 5, 2007
Leah wrote:
<quoted text>Marco do muslims not have a 'conscience', if they do then why don't they use it.
Over a billion Muslims living in all continents Do Not have "conscience",they are probably of different species!(sarcasm)
Leah

Hull, UK

#20 Apr 5, 2007
What really matters wrote:
<quoted text>
Over a billion Muslims living in all continents Do Not have "conscience",they are probably of different species!(sarcasm)
Yes, your certainly right there, suicide bombings, honour killings, wife-beating,be-headings, eye-gougings......the list goes on and on.......if you have a 'conscience' then use it, and protest to the repressive arab goverments who alllow these acts to be carried out.

Sarcasm coming back your way......

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