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Legislation to criminalize contempt of Islam and its Prophet?

There are 73 comments on the www.jihadwatch.org story from Sep 23, 2012, titled Legislation to criminalize contempt of Islam and its Prophet?. In it, www.jihadwatch.org reports that:

Egypt’s president and other Muslim leaders should demand the U.N. criminalize contempt of religion after the release of an anti-Islamic film and cartoons which demonstrate growing racism, said the leader of the biggest ultra-orthodox Islamist party ...

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#21 Sep 24, 2012
Trilin wrote:
<quoted text> Still havent seen any progress on that..
haha!

too true!

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#22 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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These religionists do not have anything to stand for. Either having religion or nothing at all is the same for them.
Muslims are the truest followers, ready to strive and suffer for what we believe. We have seen the light and we wont trade anything for it.
They have alot to stand for. The only problem is you dont see it that way, since you are so obsessed with thinking your way is the only way.

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#23 Sep 24, 2012
And really if they are going to criminalize that they have to criminalize every islam rally in public when they spew hatred about isreal and jews. i have never seen any jewish groups spewing hatred in public in canada, but i have seen many islamic rallies that spew hatred for jews and isreal and americans in canada. Oh and by the way i have taped a few rallies in this city. I counted 42 in one hour speech about kill jews and kill isreal.

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#24 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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The differences are our strength. Muslims, sunni and syiah, are now a force to be reckoned with. Our enemies won't mess with us without thinking of the outcome. We are not the kind to sit and watch. We will go after the criminals.
So what you are saying is. "If any one has a different view to yours, they are criminals, and enemies."
Mawar, there is a growing call in the western civilised nations to curb the excesses of Muslims, no longer will you be able to demand special rights, Governments will refuse Muslims entry in to their countries and Muslim immigrants/criminals will be repatreated to their original home countries. There is a call for all aid to Muslim countries to be curtailed, and the troops to be pulled out of Afganistan etc.
If these things come about, what do you think will happen to Islam? Will you have a Muslim paradice where Muslims worship in peace, where you will be free to do the things Muslims dream of? I very much doubt it. the first thing to happen is millions will starve, You will be dragged back to the dark ages where your petty fudes against each other will destroy you, where every thing you say and do will be examined in microscopic detail by the Immams who on a whim will put you to death. The only reason Islam has flourished in the modern world is that the west has supported some of its lands, we in the west have fed you and educated you and gave Muslims a place to escape the tyrany of the Muslim theocracies, what do you think will happen if this happens? Personaly I hope none of this comes about, but as people in the west are fed up with the lies, the demands, the whinging, the threats and the violence of Muslims I dont think it will take much for the governments and Un to act. And the rhetoric Muslims use will only hasten the end for Islam, I think there will be a war involving Islam but it will be a war of Muslim against Muslim and it will end in mutual destruction. Stop before it is to late.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#25 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
Muslims are the truest followers, ready to strive and suffer for what we believe ...
.. then why is that suffering always directed at those who don't believe as muslims do?
Tinkerbell

Hermitage, TN

#26 Sep 24, 2012
aiesha s wrote:
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I wouldn;t hold my breath on the last one.
Clearly,they cant help themselves.

Im curious...what is your answer to the muslim problem?
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#27 Sep 24, 2012
taffman wrote:
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So what you are saying is.....Mawar, there is a growing call in the western civilised nations to curb the excesses of Muslims, no longer will you be able to demand special rights, Governments will refuse Muslims entry in to their countries and Muslim immigrants/criminals will be repatreated to their original home countries. There is a call for all aid to Muslim countries to be curtailed, and the troops to be pulled out of Afganistan etc.
If these things come about, what do you think will happen to Islam? Will you have a Muslim paradice where Muslims worship in peace, where you will be free to do the things Muslims dream of? I very much doubt it. the first thing to happen is millions will starve, You will be dragged back to the dark ages where your petty fudes against each other will destroy you, where every thing you say and do will be examined in microscopic detail by the Immams who on a whim will put you to death. The only reason Islam has flourished in the modern world is that the west has supported some of its lands, we in the west have fed you and educated you and gave Muslims a place to escape the tyrany of the Muslim theocracies, what do you think will happen if this happens?.....
Good question. What will happen to Muslims and Westerners if we shut the gate and stop all communication and movement of people and goods from entering or exiting our own respective realms?

First, schools, shops, and shopping centers in the West will be closed, one after another, because they will have a decrease in population.

Second, roads, highways, and homes will be abandoned in the West, and farms will turn into forests again, because with each coming year, the people get lesser.

Third, Western men will chase other men to mount and mate, and the women will be ignored, thus another reason why there wont be any babies around.

Fourth, the population will get older with each coming day, and on one fateful day, the last surviving person will pass away, and no one will man the gate.

Since the gate will be left open, a Muslim will enter into the Western realm and find no living man or woman around. And everything deserted, when he will call other Muslims to start all over again.

That is what will happen my friend.
aiesha s

Ryde, Australia

#28 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
<quoted text>
We have seen the light others haven't. Others are going for the croc's hole and we are saying 'stop'. Others are digging holes on the wall of the ship to get water and we are saying 'don't, or we all going to drown'. Others are going crazy, men chasing after other men to mount and mate, and women after women - Muslims are not like that! Unbelievers are corrupting lives on earth, Muslims are about to save them.
None of that ever goes on in your good Muslim countries - of course!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim_so...
aiesha s

Ryde, Australia

#29 Sep 24, 2012
Tinkerbell wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly,they cant help themselves.
Im curious...what is your answer to the muslim problem?
Gee, Tinkerbell, that's a tricky question.

All we can do is not give in to their demands. The way it's happening with this movie controversy. Otherwise there will be more and more...

KIM that Muslims are on a war footing - and they regard us as the enemy.
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#30 Sep 24, 2012
aiesha s wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, Tinkerbell, that's a tricky question.
All we can do is not give in to their demands. The way it's happening with this movie controversy. Otherwise there will be more and more...
KIM that Muslims are on a war footing - and they regard us as the enemy.
Those who mock prophets are enemies of humanity. Have you seen Muslims mocking Jesus? No, instead whenever Jesus mentioned, we always will follow it with 'Peace be upon him'.

Westerners are rude, bad-mouthed, and offensive people with absolutely no sense of respect for prophets. They lack the education that Muslims normally receive during childhood.

Muslims have a lot to do in giving them the necessary education on manners and how to live with others on this planet.
George

Guelph, Canada

#31 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
<quoted text>
We have seen the light others haven't. Others are going for the croc's hole and we are saying 'stop'. Others are digging holes on the wall of the ship to get water and we are saying 'don't, or we all going to drown'. Others are going crazy, men chasing after other men to mount and mate, and women after women - Muslims are not like that! Unbelievers are corrupting lives on earth, Muslims are about to save them.
Ha ha! "Muslims are not like this"?
My dear friend- come out of your Islamic hell hole and see the real world-
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George

Guelph, Canada

#32 Sep 24, 2012
Continued from above-
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aiesha s

Ryde, Australia

#33 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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Westerners are rude, bad-mouthed, and offensive people with absolutely no sense of respect for prophets.
All of us?!! LOL
sick of it

United States

#34 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
<quoted text>
Good question. What will happen to Muslims and Westerners if we shut the gate and stop all communication and movement of people and goods from entering or exiting our own respective realms?
First, schools, shops, and shopping centers in the West will be closed, one after another, because they will have a decrease in population.
Second, roads, highways, and homes will be abandoned in the West, and farms will turn into forests again, because with each coming year, the people get lesser.
Third, Western men will chase other men to mount and mate, and the women will be ignored, thus another reason why there wont be any babies around.
Fourth, the population will get older with each coming day, and on one fateful day, the last surviving person will pass away, and no one will man the gate.
Since the gate will be left open, a Muslim will enter into the Western realm and find no living man or woman around. And everything deserted, when he will call other Muslims to start all over again.
That is what will happen my friend.
Wow, you are a wack! I think you must have drugs over there in malaysia that we in the west have no idea about. either that or you are completely insane. We would not have a decrease in population. Islam is going DOWN...and you freaks are bringing it on yourselves by just such stupid posts as yours, mawar! You are a really good example of the Wacky Muslim who makes us all laugh at his silliness...har de har har. And he makes the prophet and allah seem worthless too. Who wants to follow those turds down the toilet if a loser like you believes in them?
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#35 Sep 24, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from jihadwatch:
".....What's "much needed" is the understanding that islam is a religion, not a race, and to criminalize "contempt" of that religion would place islam and its muslims above all criticism.
Are we talking about legislation?

Which must come with education, without which the population would not be held accountable for running against the law. This current lack of education is also known as 'ignorance'.

'Ignorance' is the root cause for the disrespect and we are about to change that. Now, here is lesson No. 1:

The first tenet of faith goes like this - There is no god but God and Muhammad is a messenger of God.

Denigrating the prophet is of course a blasphemy and cannot be forgiven just like that. Well, for the first offense, the excuse given is 'ignorance', therefore may be forgiven.

But for the repeat offences, the crimes must be dealt with full deployment of law. If there isn't a law applicable for the land, I guess we will use our own hand - like in the saying 'taking law into one owns hand'.

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#36 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
<quoted text>
Those who mock prophets are enemies of humanity. Have you seen Muslims mocking Jesus? No, instead whenever Jesus mentioned, we always will follow it with 'Peace be upon him'.
Westerners are rude, bad-mouthed, and offensive people with absolutely no sense of respect for prophets. They lack the education that Muslims normally receive during childhood.
Muslims have a lot to do in giving them the necessary education on manners and how to live with others on this planet.
There is nothing to respect in Islam. Islam and all of it's teachings deserve to be mocked.

Muslims need to learn about tolerance of their fellow human beings rights to mock religion.
Tinkerbell

Hermitage, TN

#37 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
<quoted text>
Are we talking about legislation?
Which must come with education, without which the population would not be held accountable for running against the law. This current lack of education is also known as 'ignorance'.
'Ignorance' is the root cause for the disrespect and we are about to change that. Now, here is lesson No. 1:
The first tenet of faith goes like this - There is no god but God and Muhammad is a messenger of God.
Denigrating the prophet is of course a blasphemy and cannot be forgiven just like that. Well, for the first offense, the excuse given is 'ignorance', therefore may be forgiven.
But for the repeat offences, the crimes must be dealt with full deployment of law. If there isn't a law applicable for the land, I guess we will use our own hand - like in the saying 'taking law into one owns hand'.
Lesson number 1: Stop forcing your beliefs on others. It's NONE of your business.
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#38 Sep 24, 2012
Trisha wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing to respect in Islam. Islam and all of it's teachings deserve to be mocked.
Muslims need to learn about tolerance of their fellow human beings rights to mock religion.
Sensible men and women of religons respect prophets.

The Muslims have no problem as we respect Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon, Lot, Noah, Adam and the rest of 25 prophets that each time we mention any of their names, we follow it with 'peace be upon him'.

This is called good manners, civility, or respect that are expected of every civilized man and women.

Obviously many Westerners lack courteousness. I don't know why but most likely they lack education. President Obama probably scratched his head upon hearing news about profaning the prophet by some of rude film makers. They have no respect of the prophets at all and they are absolutely out of this world.

I don't know about you.
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#39 Sep 24, 2012
Tinkerbell wrote:
<quoted text>
Lesson number 1: Stop forcing your beliefs on others. It's NONE of your business.
Our long arms will certainly reach all nooks and corners of the world - and come to those who have uttered profanity to the prophets.

We will never allowed disrespect to any of Mohammad, Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon, Lot, Noah, Adam and the rest of 25 prophets - peace be upon them all.

The time and occasion will be at our own choosing. None of our business? You bet.

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#40 Sep 24, 2012
Mawar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sensible men and women of religons respect prophets.
The Muslims have no problem as we respect Jesus, Moses, David, Solomon, Lot, Noah, Adam and the rest of 25 prophets that each time we mention any of their names, we follow it with 'peace be upon him'.
This is called good manners, civility, or respect that are expected of every civilized man and women.
Obviously many Westerners lack courteousness. I don't know why but most likely they lack education. President Obama probably scratched his head upon hearing news about profaning the prophet by some of rude film makers. They have no respect of the prophets at all and they are absolutely out of this world.
I don't know about you.
roflmao!!

Sensible human beings would not be offended because their religion or their prophet are mocked.

Sensible human beings would understand that there are other people in the world who do not respect what others do. Muslims do not have the right to demand everyone must abide by their superstitions. And no one has the right to be violent over their religion.

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