Can Muslims explain this error?
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#20439 May 27, 2012
EXPLAIN THIS! EXPLAIN THIS AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND:

SURA 4:157:
4:157 'That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not'

ARABIC: Waqawlihim inna qatalnaalmaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahiwama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakinshubbiha lahum wa-inna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafeeshakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin illa ittibaAAaalththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

WHO ADDED 'IN BOAST', AND WHICH JEWS BOASTED????? NO CHRISTIAN WOULD BOAST.

WHICH JEW USED THE PHRASE: "SON OF MARY"?

WHICH JEW BELIEVED HE WAS AN APOSTLE?

AND WHY ISN'T THIS ACCUSING GOD OF DECEPTION?

AND WHY WAS ALLAH TOO GUTLESS TO NAME THE REPLACEMENT?

I AM GOING TO KEEP ASKING UNTIL SOMEONE EXPLAINS THIS TO ME.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20440 May 27, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
<quoted text>So does that mean that Peter was the first Pope?
Peter was NOT even his real name.
The statue in Rome is thought to be that of Jupiter?
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm

In Rome there are numerous works of art intended for Pagan deities and Roman emperors perverted into Christian notabilities. 1

ANGELS, in St. Peter’s of Rome, are old Pagan statues of Cupids and winged genii.
GABRIED, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is an old Pagan statue of the god Mercury.
JOHN THE BAPTIST, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of Herculs.
ST. CATHERINE, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of the goddess Fortna.
ST. GILES (or EGIDIUS), in St. Peter’s of Rome, is a statue of Vulcan.
ST. PAUL. Sixtus V. perverted the original statue of Marcus Aurlius Antonnus into that of St. Paul. This beautiful marble column, 170 feet in height, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs of the wars of the Roman emperor, wholly out of character with the statue which surmounts it.

ST. PETER. The same Pope (Sixtus V.) converted the original statue of Trajan, on Trajan’s column, into a statue of St. Peter. This exquisite column, like that of Antonnus, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs, representing the wars of Trajan. Surmounted by St. Peter, the perversion is absolutely ludicrous.
In St. Peter’s of Rome the statue of St. PETER was meant for the old ROMAN GOD JUPITER.

VIRGIN MARY. This statue, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is in reality a statue of Isis, standing on the crescent Moon.

See Twentieth Century, 1892: ROME.
http://www.bartleby.com/81/12646.html

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PLEASE PEOPLE.....OPEN YOUR EYES...CANT YOU SEE THAT YOUR CULT IS STEEPED IN PAGAN AND OTHER BELIEFS THUS INSULTING GOD WHO IS FORMLESS INVISIBLE AND INDIVISIBLE.

THE MERE FACT THAT THESE STATUES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TELLS US ALL ABOUT THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY THAT HAS GOT PEOPLE AWAY FORM WORSHIP OF GOD TO THE WORSHIP OF A ONE EYES NAKED PAGAN SATANIC MAN WHO IS NOT JESUS PBUH.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#20441 May 27, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
Peter was NOT even his real name.
The statue in Rome is thought to be that of Jupiter?
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm
In Rome there are numerous works of art intended for Pagan deities and Roman emperors perverted into Christian notabilities. 1
ANGELS, in St. Peter’s of Rome, are old Pagan statues of Cupids and winged genii.
GABRIED, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is an old Pagan statue of the god Mercury.
JOHN THE BAPTIST, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of Herculs.
ST. CATHERINE, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of the goddess Fortna.
ST. GILES (or EGIDIUS), in St. Peter’s of Rome, is a statue of Vulcan.
ST. PAUL. Sixtus V. perverted the original statue of Marcus Aurlius Antonnus into that of St. Paul. This beautiful marble column, 170 feet in height, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs of the wars of the Roman emperor, wholly out of character with the statue which surmounts it.
ST. PETER. The same Pope (Sixtus V.) converted the original statue of Trajan, on Trajan’s column, into a statue of St. Peter. This exquisite column, like that of Antonnus, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs, representing the wars of Trajan. Surmounted by St. Peter, the perversion is absolutely ludicrous.
In St. Peter’s of Rome the statue of St. PETER was meant for the old ROMAN GOD JUPITER.
VIRGIN MARY. This statue, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is in reality a statue of Isis, standing on the crescent Moon.
See Twentieth Century, 1892: ROME.
http://www.bartleby.com/81/12646.html
**********
PLEASE PEOPLE.....OPEN YOUR EYES...CANT YOU SEE THAT YOUR CULT IS STEEPED IN PAGAN AND OTHER BELIEFS THUS INSULTING GOD WHO IS FORMLESS INVISIBLE AND INDIVISIBLE.
THE MERE FACT THAT THESE STATUES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TELLS US ALL ABOUT THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY THAT HAS GOT PEOPLE AWAY FORM WORSHIP OF GOD TO THE WORSHIP OF A ONE EYES NAKED PAGAN SATANIC MAN WHO IS NOT JESUS PBUH.
History of the Apostles in the NT:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/bct/bct11.htm
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20442 May 27, 2012
Jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
a
QUOTE THE VERSE WHERE JESUS INSTRUCTS THAT?
xyz..alpha..omega!
GOOD ONE......
NOW QUOTE THE VERSE WHERE JESUS INSTRUCTS THIS:
"I AM JESUS. I AM YOUR GOD (not goat, lamb shepherd, gate, porter....) WHO HAS COME TO EARTH IN HUMAN FORM AS MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON (i am my only begotten son.) TO DIE IN THE HANDS OF JEWS, FOR THE SINS OF GENTILES (who were effectively dogs and swine to me) AS WELL AS THE ISRAELITES ON A CROSS (roman killing machine.), WHO WILL BE SAVED FOREVER & HAVE ETERNAL LIFE WHEN THEY ACCEPT MY SACRIFICE ON THEIR BEHALF when I go back up to sit on my own right hand while I (vindictively) make foot stool of my enemies.
WORSHIP ME (not the father but me.). WORSHIP/VENERATE THE CROSS AND CARRY IT WITH YOU, WEAR IT AROUND YOUR NECK (like pope, the man who represents me does) AS A SYMBOL OF MY WILLING SACRIFICE. I EXPECT NOTHING IN RETURN"
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20443 May 27, 2012
Jesus is wrote:
EXPLAIN THIS! EXPLAIN THIS AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND:
WHO ADDED 'IN BOAST', AND WHICH JEWS BOASTED????? NO CHRISTIAN WOULD BOAST.

WHICH JEW USED THE PHRASE: "SON OF MARY"?

WHICH JEW BELIEVED HE WAS AN APOSTLE?

AND WHY ISN'T THIS ACCUSING GOD OF DECEPTION?
AND WHY WAS ALLAH TOO GUTLESS TO NAME THE REPLACEMENT?
I AM GOING TO KEEP ASKING UNTIL SOMEONE EXPLAINS THIS TO ME.
oh dear oh dear...this has been explained many times to our south asian christian in australia!!
The boasting is in TALMUD ..for starters!
Talmud also refers to son of mary, and she has some "nice" names!!
THe apostle/messiah is derisory term used....meaning we killed that chap who was claiming he was messiah/prophet etc.
Did your "god" name his son in ot? dont give me crp about emmanuel..apart from carry on emmanuelle...
Keep asking because you don't understand.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20444 May 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
History of the Apostles in the NT:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/bct/bct11.htm
yep...
Peter was NOT even his real name.
The statue in Rome is thought to be that of Jupiter?
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm
In Rome there are numerous works of art intended for Pagan deities and Roman emperors perverted into Christian notabilities. 1
ANGELS, in St. Peter’s of Rome, are old Pagan statues of Cupids and winged genii.
GABRIED, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is an old Pagan statue of the god Mercury.
JOHN THE BAPTIST, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of Herculs.
ST. CATHERINE, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of the goddess Fortna.
ST. GILES (or EGIDIUS), in St. Peter’s of Rome, is a statue of Vulcan.
ST. PAUL. Sixtus V. perverted the original statue of Marcus Aurlius Antonnus into that of St. Paul. This beautiful marble column, 170 feet in height, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs of the wars of the Roman emperor, wholly out of character with the statue which surmounts it.
ST. PETER. The same Pope (Sixtus V.) converted the original statue of Trajan, on Trajan’s column, into a statue of St. Peter. This exquisite column, like that of Antonnus, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs, representing the wars of Trajan. Surmounted by St. Peter, the perversion is absolutely ludicrous.
In St. Peter’s of Rome the statue of St. PETER was meant for the old ROMAN GOD JUPITER.
VIRGIN MARY. This statue, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is in reality a statue of Isis, standing on the crescent Moon.
See Twentieth Century, 1892: ROME.
http://www.bartleby.com/81/12646.html
**********
PLEASE PEOPLE.....OPEN YOUR EYES...CANT YOU SEE THAT YOUR CULT IS STEEPED IN PAGAN AND OTHER BELIEFS THUS INSULTING GOD WHO IS FORMLESS INVISIBLE AND INDIVISIBLE.
THE MERE FACT THAT THESE STATUES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TELLS US ALL ABOUT THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY THAT HAS GOT PEOPLE AWAY FORM WORSHIP OF GOD TO THE WORSHIP OF A ONE EYES NAKED PAGAN SATANIC MAN WHO IS NOT JESUS PBUH.
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20445 May 27, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, please! Don't discuss verses with me. In my humble view, you are not really a well-read person. I believe that you have not even finished reading a simple translation of Qur'aan in your life.
No!
Islam abrogates all the past Scriptures, not religions.
For example, Abraham, the patriarchs, Moses, David and Jesus followed the true religion of God. So, how can Qur'aan abrogate their religion?
That was a very silly question.
dear bro...mehmood is getting away with a very low form of deception!
he is a south asian single issue liga worshipper who tries hard to understand what apostasy is!!
Salaams WM
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20446 May 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>If you understood what you read in the Gospels in the NT, you wouldn't be a Muslim.
Mohammed was not a prophet.
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/borrowing.ht...
you have FIVE main gods plus one!
1.daddie
2.ghostie
3.sonny
4.spiritie
AND....
5.wordie!!!!!!!!!!

plus a goddess....mummie!!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20447 May 27, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, that is correct. The word is often misunderstood. Just as in old English, a person might say to one with power, "Your worship," or "Your lordship."
<quoted text>
Absolutely correct, Woodrow.
True true!!
Plus we have a nice lot of worshipful company!!
In free(or not so free!)masonry the office of Worshipful Master is the highest honor. "Worshipful" does not imply that the Master is worshiped. Rather, use of the word implies its original meaning, "to give respect". More..........
The Worshipful Company of Mercers (general merchants)
The Worshipful Company of Grocers
The Worshipful Company of Drapers (wool and cloth merchants)
The Worshipful Company of Fishmongers
The Worshipful Company of Goldsmiths
The Worshipful Company of Merchant Taylors*(tailors)
The Worshipful Company of Skinners*(fur traders)
The Worshipful Company of Haberdashers (sellers of sewing articles)
The Worshipful Company of Salters (traders of salts and chemicals)
The Worshipful Company of Ironmongers
The Worshipful Company of Vintners (wine merchants)
The Worshipful Company of Clothworkers
The Worshipful Company of Dyers
The Worshipful Company of Brewers
The Worshipful Company of Leathersellers
The Worshipful Company of Pewterers (tin craftsmen)
The Worshipful Company of Barbers (and surgeons and dentists)
The Worshipful Company of Cutlers (knife, sword and cutlery makers)
The Worshipful Company of Bakers
The Worshipful Company of Wax Chandlers (wax candle makers)
The Worshipful Company of Tallow Chandlers (tallow candle makers)
The Worshipful Company of Armourers and Brasiers (armour makers and brass workers)
The Worshipful Company of Girdlers (swordbelt and dressbelt makers)
The Worshipful Company of Butchers
The Worshipful Company of Saddlers
The Worshipful Company of Carpenters
The Worshipful Company of Cordwainers (fine leather workers)
The Worshipful Company of Painter-Stainers
The Worshipful Company of Curriers (tanned leather dressers)
The Worshipful Company of Masons
The Worshipful Company of Plumbers
The Worshipful Company of Innholders
The Worshipful Company of Founders (brass and bronze workers)
The Worshipful Company of Poulters
The Worshipful Company of Cooks
The Worshipful Company of Coopers (barrel makers)
The Worshipful Company of Tylers and Bricklayers
The Worshipful Company of Bowyers (long bow makers)
The Worshipful Company of Fletchers (arrow makers)
The Worshipful Company of Blacksmiths
The Worshipful Company of Joiners and Ceilers (wood craftsmen)
The Worshipful Company of Weavers, the most ancient Company
The Worshipful Company of Woolmen
The Worshipful Company of Scriveners (court document writers and notaries public)
The Worshipful Company of Fruiterers
The Worshipful Company of Plaisterers (plasterers)
The Worshipful Company of Stationers and Newspaper Makers
The Worshipful Company of Broderers (embroiders)
The Worshipful Company of Upholders (upholsterers)
The Worshipful Company of Musicians
The Worshipful Company of Turners (lathe operators)
The Worshipful Company of Basketmakers
The Worshipful Company of Glaziers and Painters of Glass
The Worshipful Company of Horners (horn workers and plastic)
The Worshipful Company of Farriers (horseshoe makers and horse veterinarians)
The Worshipful Company of Paviors (road and highway pavers)
The Worshipful Company of Loriners (harness makers)
The Worshipful Society of Apothecaries (medical practitioners and pharmacists)
The Worshipful Company of Shipwrights
The Worshipful Company of Spectacle Makers
The Worshipful Company of Clockmakers
The Worshipful Company of Glovers
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20448 May 27, 2012
The Worshipful Company of Feltmakers (hat makers)
The Worshipful Company of Framework Knitters
The Worshipful Company of Needlemakers
The Worshipful Company of Gardeners
The Worshipful Company of Tin Plate Workers
The Worshipful Company of Wheelwrights
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20449 May 27, 2012
The Worshipful Company of Glovers
The Worshipful Company of Feltmakers (hat makers)
The Worshipful Company of Framework Knitters
The Worshipful Company of Needlemakers
The Worshipful Company of Gardeners
The Worshipful Company of Tin Plate Workers
The Worshipful Company of Wheelwrights
The Worshipful Company of Distillers
The Worshipful Company of Pattenmakers (wooden shoe makers)
The Worshipful Company of Glass Sellers
The Worshipful Company of Coachmakers and Coach Harness Makers
The Worshipful Company of Gunmakers
The Worshipful Company of Gold and Silver Wyre Drawers (makers of thread for uniforms)
The Worshipful Company of Makers of Playing Cards
The Worshipful Company of Fanmakers
The Worshipful Company of Carmen
The Honourable Company of Master Mariners, the first of the 20th-century Companies
The City of London Solicitors' Company
The Worshipful Company of Farmers
The Guild of Air Pilots and Air Navigators
The Worshipful Company of Tobacco Pipe Makers and Tobacco Blenders
The Worshipful Company of Furniture Makers
The Worshipful Company of Scientific Instrument Makers
The Worshipful Company of Chartered Surveyors
The Worshipful Company of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales
The Worshipful Company of Chartered Secretaries and Administrators
The Worshipful Company of Builders Merchants
The Worshipful Company of Launderers
The Worshipful Company of Marketors
The Worshipful Company of Actuaries
The Worshipful Company of Insurers
The Worshipful Company of Arbitrators
The Worshipful Company of Engineers
The Worshipful Company of Fuellers
The Worshipful Company of Lightmongers
The Worshipful Company of Environmental Cleaners
The Worshipful Company of Chartered Architects
The Worshipful Company of Constructors
The Worshipful Company of Information Technologists
The Worshipful Company of World Traders
The Worshipful Company of Water Conservators
The Worshipful Company of Firefighters
The Worshipful Company of Hackney Carriage Drivers (licensed London taxicab drivers)
The Worshipful Company of Management Consultants
The Worshipful Company of International Bankers
The Worshipful Company of Tax Advisers
The Worshipful Company of Security Professionals
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20450 May 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
There is to much historical evidence, and a common sense approach to the evidence proves that the New Testament Bible of the Gospels of Jesus Christ are the true teachings of God.
Common sense should be applied to the historical evidence presented to us by eye witnesses's that were present at the events told in the Gospels.

The New Testament Bible has been tested and researched by hundreds of scholars and the majority have attested to the truth of the Gospels.
And it is an accepted fact of history except by Muslims, that Jesus did die on the cross and was resurrected from dead.
And it is on that accepted fact that the Apostles preached a resurrected Jesus and they them self willing allowed them self to be put to death for their belief in what they them self witnessed in the life of Jesus Christ on earth.
lol...horse sh*t!!
Come on skeptic...give us some REAL historical evidence to prove your pathetic MYTH.
GO FOR IT....
We will all worship you!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20451 May 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
...The Gospels are not a book of prayers.
They bring one to have a prayer life in Christ Jesus...
There is a catch here..
JESUS HAS NEVER SEEN A SINGLE GOSPEL!!!!!!!!!!
THESE WERE WRITTEN BETWEEN 40-140 YEARS AFTER JESUS "PASSED ON"!!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20452 May 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus is God Woody.

or ghostie is jesus
or daddie is jesus
or sonnie is jesus
or wordie is jesus
or spiritie is jesus

or goddie is jesus????
but jesus is not even his real name!!
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20453 May 27, 2012
Jesus is wrote:
<quoted text>
MATTHEW 8:2
'And, behold, there came a leper and WORSHIPPED him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.'
MATTHEW 9:18
'While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and WORSHIPPED him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.'
MATTHEW 14:32
'And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
33 Then they that were in the ship came and WORSHIPPED him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.'
MATTHEW 15:25
Then came she and WORSHIPPED him, saying, Lord, help me.
MATTHEW 20:20
Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, WORSHIPPED him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
MATTHEW 28:8
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and WORSHIPPED him.
MATTHEW 28:16
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they WORSHIPPED him: but some doubted.
MARK 5:26
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and WORSHIPPED him,
LUKE 24:52
52 And they WORSHIPPED him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
JOHN 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he WORSHIPPED him.
ofcourse they ALL did by nailing him to the cross!!!
what a joke.
Let that poor man be in peace.
He is NOt GOD.
He is just a human being.
Adam was created in a much more miraculous manner and he is NOT God either.
Jesus was made god by accident...accident of pagan involvement...including idol worshipping constantine.
Will you ever learn anything?
Alex123 aka WM

London, UK

#20454 May 27, 2012
I urge Muslims to stop treating this virgin birth as something extra ordinary!
It is a simple case of IVF/embryo transfer on a surrogate mother that was carried out ahead of time.(miracle IS something that is made to happen ahead of time per Will of the creator and controller of space and time.....
Jesus is supposed to have cured lepers THEN; my doc cures lepers NOW..NO BIG DEAL...just a matter of TIME!).
If you believe that God's angels are billions of light years ahead of us, then they could VERY EASILY have carried out the embryo transfer on a surrogate 2000 years ago.
No big deal!
By making this birth into something mythical we are helping the pagans to hold onto the notion of some divine sort of "special" person.
Jesus was special like all other prophets ONLY through his piety.
Nothing else.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#20455 May 27, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
you have FIVE main gods plus one!
1.daddie
2.ghostie
3.sonny
4.spiritie
AND....
5.wordie!!!!!!!!!!
plus a goddess....mummie!!
Mohammed screwed up the minds of Muslims Alex.

Q2) It is known that Muhammad was opposed, ridiculed and persecuted for nearly 13 years by his own contemporaries. With this magnitude of severe enemies, was it not possible for them to prove to the masses that Muhammad's claim of revelation was sheer fabrication? Was it not possible for them to reveal and name the person whom they alleged to be the human source or sources of his teachings? Even some of his adversaries who had made this assertion, changed their minds later on and accused him, instead, of magic or being possessed by evil... etc.


A2) His contemporaries did prove to the masses that Muhammad claim of revelation of sheet fabrication. Only a handful of people from Mecca actually became his followers out of choice. Mecca only submitted to Muhammad when he had an army of some 12,000 soldiers outside of the city. Before that, Muhammad was almost totally rejected. It was compulsion & conquest that caused the Meccans to accept Muhammad. Previously they had exposed some of Muhammad's teachers. The Christian slave Jabr, Bahira the Monk, Ibn Waraqa, ext. All of these people spoke with Muhammad and shared religious knowledge with him. And as far as his accusers saying he was "possessed by evil", or demon possessed, they probably believed that he had both gained religious knowledge from others, and that he was demon possessed.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#20456 May 27, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
yep...
Peter was NOT even his real name.
The statue in Rome is thought to be that of Jupiter?
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/wheel.htm
In Rome there are numerous works of art intended for Pagan deities and Roman emperors perverted into Christian notabilities. 1
ANGELS, in St. Peter’s of Rome, are old Pagan statues of Cupids and winged genii.
GABRIED, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is an old Pagan statue of the god Mercury.
JOHN THE BAPTIST, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of Herculs.
ST. CATHERINE, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is made out of a statue of the goddess Fortna.
ST. GILES (or EGIDIUS), in St. Peter’s of Rome, is a statue of Vulcan.
ST. PAUL. Sixtus V. perverted the original statue of Marcus Aurlius Antonnus into that of St. Paul. This beautiful marble column, 170 feet in height, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs of the wars of the Roman emperor, wholly out of character with the statue which surmounts it.
ST. PETER. The same Pope (Sixtus V.) converted the original statue of Trajan, on Trajan’s column, into a statue of St. Peter. This exquisite column, like that of Antonnus, contains a spiral of bas-reliefs, representing the wars of Trajan. Surmounted by St. Peter, the perversion is absolutely ludicrous.
In St. Peter’s of Rome the statue of St. PETER was meant for the old ROMAN GOD JUPITER.
VIRGIN MARY. This statue, in St. Peter’s of Rome, is in reality a statue of Isis, standing on the crescent Moon.
See Twentieth Century, 1892: ROME.
http://www.bartleby.com/81/12646.html
**********
PLEASE PEOPLE.....OPEN YOUR EYES...CANT YOU SEE THAT YOUR CULT IS STEEPED IN PAGAN AND OTHER BELIEFS THUS INSULTING GOD WHO IS FORMLESS INVISIBLE AND INDIVISIBLE.
THE MERE FACT THAT THESE STATUES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED TELLS US ALL ABOUT THE PAGAN ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY THAT HAS GOT PEOPLE AWAY FORM WORSHIP OF GOD TO THE WORSHIP OF A ONE EYES NAKED PAGAN SATANIC MAN WHO IS NOT JESUS PBUH.
Many Muslims believed Mohammed was Demon pssessed:

Q2) It is known that Muhammad was opposed, ridiculed and persecuted for nearly 13 years by his own contemporaries. With this magnitude of severe enemies, was it not possible for them to prove to the masses that Muhammad's claim of revelation was sheer fabrication? Was it not possible for them to reveal and name the person whom they alleged to be the human source or sources of his teachings? Even some of his adversaries who had made this assertion, changed their minds later on and accused him, instead, of magic or being possessed by evil... etc.


A2) His contemporaries did prove to the masses that Muhammad claim of revelation of sheet fabrication. Only a handful of people from Mecca actually became his followers out of choice. Mecca only submitted to Muhammad when he had an army of some 12,000 soldiers outside of the city. Before that, Muhammad was almost totally rejected. It was compulsion & conquest that caused the Meccans to accept Muhammad. Previously they had exposed some of Muhammad's teachers. The Christian slave Jabr, Bahira the Monk, Ibn Waraqa, ext. All of these people spoke with Muhammad and shared religious knowledge with him. And as far as his accusers saying he was "possessed by evil", or demon possessed, they probably believed that he had both gained religious knowledge from others, and that he was demon possessed.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#20457 May 27, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
I urge Muslims to stop treating this virgin birth as something extra ordinary!
It is a simple case of IVF/embryo transfer on a surrogate mother that was carried out ahead of time.(miracle IS something that is made to happen ahead of time per Will of the creator and controller of space and time.....
Jesus is supposed to have cured lepers THEN; my doc cures lepers NOW..NO BIG DEAL...just a matter of TIME!).
If you believe that God's angels are billions of light years ahead of us, then they could VERY EASILY have carried out the embryo transfer on a surrogate 2000 years ago.
No big deal!
By making this birth into something mythical we are helping the pagans to hold onto the notion of some divine sort of "special" person.
Jesus was special like all other prophets ONLY through his piety.
Nothing else.
Many Muslims believed Mohammed was Demon Possessed:

Q2) It is known that Muhammad was opposed, ridiculed and persecuted for nearly 13 years by his own contemporaries. With this magnitude of severe enemies, was it not possible for them to prove to the masses that Muhammad's claim of revelation was sheer fabrication? Was it not possible for them to reveal and name the person whom they alleged to be the human source or sources of his teachings? Even some of his adversaries who had made this assertion, changed their minds later on and accused him, instead, of magic or being possessed by evil... etc.


A2) His contemporaries did prove to the masses that Muhammad claim of revelation of sheet fabrication. Only a handful of people from Mecca actually became his followers out of choice. Mecca only submitted to Muhammad when he had an army of some 12,000 soldiers outside of the city. Before that, Muhammad was almost totally rejected. It was compulsion & conquest that caused the Meccans to accept Muhammad. Previously they had exposed some of Muhammad's teachers. The Christian slave Jabr, Bahira the Monk, Ibn Waraqa, ext. All of these people spoke with Muhammad and shared religious knowledge with him. And as far as his accusers saying he was "possessed by evil", or demon possessed, they probably believed that he had both gained religious knowledge from others, and that he was demon possessed.

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#20458 May 27, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
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True true!!
Plus we have a nice lot of worshipful company!!
In free(or not so free!)masonry the office of Worshipful Master is the highest honor. "Worshipful" does not imply that the Master is worshiped. Rather, use of the word implies its original meaning, "to give respect". More..........
The Worshipful Company of Mercers (general merchants)
The Worshipful Company of Grocers
The Worshipful Company of Drapers (wool and cloth merchants)
The Worshipful Company of Fishmongers
The Worshipful Company of Goldsmiths..
Trinitarians do not want to see that when Jesus' disciples bowed down to him, they were not worshiping him, but they were showing their recognition of who he was. OK, I know you probably don't believe that, but anyway, it was doing obeisance, or proskyneo (bowing down as to a king, etc.) as Woodrow and you have realized, and many translators use the word worship there instead of obeisance. Traditional Christianity has really done an effective job of distorting truths. Naturally that entire movement, including the burning of "witches" and stuff like that, has been led by Satan the great deceiver. I don't hate Christians. I hate false teachings and the misery and negative factors surrounding them. God will settle all problems, of that I am convinced. He has set a day to judge all people, will remove idolators, willful violaters of His righteous laws.“Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by man’s design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.”(Acts chapter 17) May the Almighty God have mercy on those who love Him in spirit and truth.

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