Can Muslims explain this error?

“Father of all the gods.....”

Since: Nov 11

Beneath me only sky....

#19472 May 3, 2012
bmz wrote:
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That is correct, bro.
Even after Jesus had vanished from the scene, it was Paul, who was teaching on his own without any gospel.
Even when Paul expired, there was not a single gospel from any of the four.
That is why Paul had said:
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"
And all the four gospels are under God's curse.
Discussing Christianity on a thread about Muhammed been a false prophet...?

That's so weird! Why are you doing that? What are you afraid of..?

Come on Iranian whore, try to answer the topic....

Don't you try to hide behind that old man, I will fuck you both!

A simple comparaison:
What the majority of Christians believe in:
example 1
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm (catholic site)

example 2
The Athanasian Creed:
(remember Catholic means: universal nothing more)
http://bookofconcord.org/creeds.php

".....
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship ONE God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father UNcreated, the Son UNcreated, and the Holy Spirit UNcreated.........."

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Look now at what Muhammed claimed what the "Christian God" was:
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Surah Al-Maeda (5:72-73-74)
".(73) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is
no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/5/73/defau...
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"A faith that can not survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets" - Arthur C. Clarke

..........CHECKMATE, Islam is dead ..........

John Calvin said:

"I would be a coward if I saw that God’s truth is attacked and would remain silent, without giving any sound."

But mule-slims remain silent......
It seems that muslims are "Only Brave" when they are in their own backyards and in majority!!
When the scene changes they become like a Mewing cat, or just walk away. Let us make them RUN away!
!!!!!An informed public is a Muslim’s worst nightmare!!!!!
..........CHECKMATE, Islam is dead ..........

Muhamed's errors about Jesus (video dealing with the same topic as on this thread):
&fe ature=relmfu

http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam_myths.html
http://www.1000mistakes.com/

“Father of all the gods.....”

Since: Nov 11

Beneath me only sky....

#19473 May 3, 2012
bmz wrote:
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That IS her JOB.
She is paid per post and the minimum quota set for payment is quite high. The evangelist paymasters are smart folks.
Payment is release after she achieves the minimum required number of posts.
Actually I'm paid with blow jobs done by you and your mummy, don't you deny that mule!

Now, answer the real topic:

A simple comparaison:
What the majority of Christians believe in:
example 1
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm (catholic site)

example 2
The Athanasian Creed:
(remember Catholic means: universal nothing more)
http://bookofconcord.org/creeds.php

".....
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship ONE God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father UNcreated, the Son UNcreated, and the Holy Spirit UNcreated.........."

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Look now at what Muhammed claimed what the "Christian God" was:
--------
Surah Al-Maeda (5:72-73-74)
".(73) They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is
no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp...
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/5/73/defau...
-------
"A faith that can not survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets" - Arthur C. Clarke

“Father of all the gods.....”

Since: Nov 11

Beneath me only sky....

#19474 May 3, 2012
Fixing a hole in the Koran, how do you do that...?



http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Mule-slims will try to fix this hole even after 200.000 postings

WHOHHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Circling around the subject as it were the KaKa...kaka....Kaba....

“Father of all the gods.....”

Since: Nov 11

Beneath me only sky....

#19475 May 3, 2012
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Garamba, dedicated enemy of islam, no mule will pass....
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#19478 May 3, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Why are you still born with sin, when the poor man has already paid the wages, Self-loathing Sinner?
Did he not pay in full?
My question is: If you feel the Bible is so corrupted, than why do you quote Deut 18:18 and John 16:13 as uncorrupted prophecies of Muhammad's comment in the sixth century AD.

Acts 19:23-41 mentions a religion that worshipped the great goddess Artemis and her meteorite which fell down from heaven. Taking note that this religion centered around a meteorite, my question is: is it possible that this is a pagan corruption of the Black Stone and meteorite that fell at the foot of Adam and that at the time of Christ the Black Stone was actually in Ephesus Asia minor?

Galatians 1:6-9 Apostle Paul says "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Christ for a different religion. But even if an angel from heaven, should preach to you a different religion, let him be accursed." My question is: Do you think it possible that this is a genuine text from God and he foresaw that both Muhammad and Joseph Smith would be taught a new religion by an angel?

Before the discovery of the dead sea scrolls in 1947 the earliest copy of the Old Testament was the Massoretic Text dated at 1000 AD. The dead sea scrolls are dated at 100 B.C. contain 19 copies of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of Psalms that are virtually identical to what we have in our Bible's today. My question is: since you believe the Old Testament was corrupted long before the dead sea scrolls were written in 100 B.C., will you at least admit that there has been no further corruption of the Old Testament since 100 B.C. right down to the present?

In Jude 3; 2 Peter 1:3; John 16:13 and 2 Tim 3:16 the Bible is called an all sufficient book with no need for anything else in regards to how we live our lives or worship God. You claim the same thing for the Qur'an. My question is: how can the Qur'an be all sufficient in our worship of Allah, if it does not even mention something as important as praying five times a day and does this not prove that the Koran without the Hadith is like a car without an engine?

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#19479 May 3, 2012
What is sad about these posts is that no real discussion can be had of any accusation because of the attitude of so many posting on both "sides."
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#19480 May 3, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
What is sad about these posts is that no real discussion can be had of any accusation because of the attitude of so many posting on both "sides."
There is a debate going on, but no one is paying attention to the debate.
There are answers to these debates, but few take time to analyize the facts presented.

Since: Feb 12

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#19481 May 3, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>There is a debate going on, but no one is paying attention to the debate.
There are answers to these debates, but few take time to analyize the facts presented.
I've noticed.
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#19482 May 3, 2012
skeptic wrote:
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My question is: If you feel the Bible is so corrupted, than why do you quote Deut 18:18 and John 16:13 as uncorrupted prophecies of Muhammad's comment in the sixth century AD.
Acts 19:23-41 mentions a religion that worshipped the great goddess Artemis and her meteorite which fell down from heaven. Taking note that this religion centered around a meteorite, my question is: is it possible that this is a pagan corruption of the Black Stone and meteorite that fell at the foot of Adam and that at the time of Christ the Black Stone was actually in Ephesus Asia minor?
Galatians 1:6-9 Apostle Paul says "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Christ for a different religion. But even if an angel from heaven, should preach to you a different religion, let him be accursed." My question is: Do you think it possible that this is a genuine text from God and he foresaw that both Muhammad and Joseph Smith would be taught a new religion by an angel?
Before the discovery of the dead sea scrolls in 1947 the earliest copy of the Old Testament was the Massoretic Text dated at 1000 AD. The dead sea scrolls are dated at 100 B.C. contain 19 copies of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of Psalms that are virtually identical to what we have in our Bible's today. My question is: since you believe the Old Testament was corrupted long before the dead sea scrolls were written in 100 B.C., will you at least admit that there has been no further corruption of the Old Testament since 100 B.C. right down to the present?
In Jude 3; 2 Peter 1:3; John 16:13 and 2 Tim 3:16 the Bible is called an all sufficient book with no need for anything else in regards to how we live our lives or worship God. You claim the same thing for the Qur'an. My question is: how can the Qur'an be all sufficient in our worship of Allah, if it does not even mention something as important as praying five times a day and does this not prove that the Koran without the Hadith is like a car without an engine?
When we say that the Bible is corrupted, we mean that forgeries have been made in the bible.

And we let the readers including your godsend know where and how the text was forged or edited.

Qur'aan clearly mentions the five times of prayers but the ignorant fool, who told you this, is clueless and does not know.

Qur'aan stands Supreme. Hadith is just a collection of unauthorized tales, very similar to the New Testament, which has not been seen by Jesus and has not even been endorse by the discip[les and Paul.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#19483 May 3, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
When we say that the Bible is corrupted, we mean that forgeries have been made in the bible.
And we let the readers including your godsend know where and how the text was forged or edited.
Qur'aan clearly mentions the five times of prayers but the ignorant fool, who told you this, is clueless and does not know.
Qur'aan stands Supreme. Hadith is just a collection of unauthorized tales, very similar to the New Testament, which has not been seen by Jesus and has not even been endorse by the discip[les and Paul.
And by what source do you have proof that the NT is made up of forgies?
Do muslims have copies of the originals?
What proof do muslims have that allah did not send Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of the world?
What proof do muslims have that mohammed received revelations from the angel Gabriel?

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#19484 May 3, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>And by what source do you have proof that the NT is made up of forgies?
Do muslims have copies of the originals?
What proof do muslims have that allah did not send Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of the world?
What proof do muslims have that mohammed received revelations from the angel Gabriel?
I doubt if many of us would call them forgeries. What we believe is most of the books in the were written in Greece by Unknown men who had never seen Jesus(as) about the only books there is proof who the author was are 6 of the 13 by Paul

The burden of proof is for Christians to prove Jesus did die on the cross for the sins of the world.

Why would that have to be? don't you believe God can forgive all sins with just a thought?

Why would God demand a sacrifice or a ransom to be paid? Don't you believe God is more powerful than all of the sins of mankind?

There is no evidence Muhammad(PBUH) was capable of writing the Qur'an. He was illiterate as were most Arabs at the time.

The Qur'an is the first and only Book ever recited in the Qur'anic tajweed. No one else has ever been able to write a single sentence with tajweed. No one has ever spoken with tajweed except for reciting the Qur'an. No one has ever been able to translate any other book into Qur'anic Arabic and have it make sense. There are many dialects of Arabic and it is difficult for people from one dialect to understand the dialect of another. Yet, every person hearing Muhammad(PBUH) recite the Qur'an was able to understand him. The Qur'an had to have been revealed to Muhammad by somebody. The most logical explanation is, it is the actual word of God, transmitted through the angel Gabriel.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#19485 May 4, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
When we say that the Bible is corrupted, we mean that forgeries have been made in the bible.
And we let the readers including your godsend know where and how the text was forged or edited.
Qur'aan clearly mentions the five times of prayers but the ignorant fool, who told you this, is clueless and does not know.
Qur'aan stands Supreme. Hadith is just a collection of unauthorized tales, very similar to the New Testament, which has not been seen by Jesus and has not even been endorse by the discip[les and Paul.
The fact is, there are no forgeries in the NT.
What muslims have are the forgeries that were rejected by the Church fathers before mohammed was born.
What you are doing is giving out false imformation to the readers.
The early Church fathers were trust worthy honorable men.
They didn't rob caravans for booty like mohammed did.
You are obsessed in ignorane.
The reasons given in the Quran by allah saying be in Mary's womb
for bringing Jesus intp the world is not justifiable for the chaous Allah caused in the world.
Only a mad man would think of such a scheme against human Beings as Allah did is bringing Jesus in the world.
Can you explain how it was justified?
bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#19486 May 4, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>And by what source do you have proof that the NT is made up of forgies?
Do muslims have copies of the originals?
What proof do muslims have that allah did not send Jesus to die on the cross for the sins of the world?
What proof do muslims have that mohammed received revelations from the angel Gabriel?
I have been showing the forgeries in the OT and the NT over the last few years here.

What proof do you have that Jesus was sent to die on the cross for the sins of the world?

When an illiterate man comes with blazing poetry and prose glorifying the LORD Almighty Allah, one would know that he had definitely received revelations. No Arab came up with anything like that.

The people knew that.

Can I now have an statement direct from Jesus' mouth saying, "I was sent to die on the cross for the sins of the world"?

Where can I find it in any gospel?

Since: Feb 12

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#19487 May 4, 2012
WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940 wrote:
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I doubt if many of us would call them forgeries. What we believe is most of the books in the were written in Greece by Unknown men who had never seen Jesus(as) about the only books there is proof who the author was are 6 of the 13 by Paul
I like to ask one question at a time, not a barrage of questions. What leads you to think the gospels were written in Greece?

Since: Feb 12

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#19488 May 4, 2012
bmz wrote:
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I have been showing the forgeries in the OT and the NT over the last few years here.
What proof do you have that Jesus was sent to die on the cross for the sins of the world?
When an illiterate man comes with blazing poetry and prose glorifying the LORD Almighty Allah, one would know that he had definitely received revelations. No Arab came up with anything like that.
The people knew that.
Can I now have an statement direct from Jesus' mouth saying, "I was sent to die on the cross for the sins of the world"?
Where can I find it in any gospel?
Isn't the statement you're looking for similar to the statement that an illiterate man who came across with poetry and prose must have received revelations from God?

Since: Feb 12

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#19489 May 4, 2012
bmz wrote:
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Why are you still born with sin, when the poor man has already paid the wages...?Did he not pay in full?
For those who appreciate his sacrifice the payment has been made.

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#19490 May 4, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
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I like to ask one question at a time, not a barrage of questions. What leads you to think the gospels were written in Greece?
One reason I like replying to you. You are sincere with your questions and not out to blast anybody with a barrage.

It is basically my own opinion most of the NT was written in Greece. the oldest known copies are written in Greek. They lack the metaphors and insinuations one would expect from a Semitic writer. I will grant the writers most likely did their writings based upon oral reports from the Jewish world.

The copies I have seen on line were written by professional writers. Writing was quite a science and craft in that era, nothing often done at home. Paper was expensive, Ink and pens were hand crafted and made by the writer. It took fair sized "laboratories" to set up the facilities. In the Jewish lands this would have been in the Synagogues. It is very Doubtful the writers would have been permitted to use the facilities of a synagogue to write the NT books.

If the books had been written on scraps, or pottery shards or any material handy I would believe they were done by non-professionals in any location. but those books that still exist are masterpieces of the writer's craft for that era. In my opinion they were done in an advanced region with proper facilities. To me Greece fits the criteria for that to be.

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#19491 May 4, 2012
WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940 wrote:
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One reason I like replying to you. You are sincere with your questions and not out to blast anybody with a barrage.

Thank you. I don't see how anyone can learn or teach with a barrage of questions as if coming from a machine gun.

[QUOTE who="WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940"]<quot ed text>
It is basically my own opinion most of the NT was written in Greece. the oldest known copies are written in Greek. They lack the metaphors and insinuations one would expect from a Semitic writer. I will grant the writers most likely did their writings based upon oral reports from the Jewish world.
The copies I have seen on line were written by professional writers. Writing was quite a science and craft in that era, nothing often done at home. Paper was expensive, Ink and pens were hand crafted and made by the writer. It took fair sized "laboratories" to set up the facilities. In the Jewish lands this would have been in the Synagogues. It is very Doubtful the writers would have been permitted to use the facilities of a synagogue to write the NT books.
If the books had been written on scraps, or pottery shards or any material handy I would believe they were done by non-professionals in any location. but those books that still exist are masterpieces of the writer's craft for that era. In my opinion they were done in an advanced region with proper facilities. To me Greece fits the criteria for that to be.
OK, I see my research is outlined for me by you.:-) Of course, I can't answer you right now in the main. I know that it was a tedious process to copy manuscripts. I will do research. Regarding the point about the use of facilities to write the NT books, one account in the book of Acts has it that Apollos reasoned with men in the synagogue about Jesus, and Aquila and Priscilla helped Apollos to understand more. So obviously not all was written at that time. I do believe that the meetings in the synagogues were a bit more free-flowing than they are today, as we know Jesus himself picked up the scroll in the synagogue and read from it. Paul wrote letters during his missionary tours to the congregations.

Since: Feb 12

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#19492 May 4, 2012
WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940 wrote:
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One reason I like replying to you. You are sincere with your questions and not out to blast anybody with a barrage.
It is basically my own opinion most of the NT was written in Greece. the oldest known copies are written in Greek. They lack the metaphors and insinuations one would expect from a Semitic writer. I will grant the writers most likely did their writings based upon oral reports from the Jewish world.
That is partially true, perhaps the scrolls of Moses were in synagogues, there was a regular reading of them I suppose. I'm sure discussions abounded. The big news was that Jesus was said to be resurrected. Now you are goading me (said in the best possible way) to go into the history of copying and distribution prior to the ransacking of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman armies in the first century after Jesus' death. I do not know about the metaphors, etc., of a Semitic writer and the difference thereof you are referring to. You are, I suppose, speaking particularly of Paul?

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#19493 May 4, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
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That is partially true, perhaps the scrolls of Moses were in synagogues, there was a regular reading of them I suppose. I'm sure discussions abounded. The big news was that Jesus was said to be resurrected. Now you are goading me (said in the best possible way) to go into the history of copying and distribution prior to the ransacking of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman armies in the first century after Jesus' death. I do not know about the metaphors, etc., of a Semitic writer and the difference thereof you are referring to. You are, I suppose, speaking particularly of Paul?
No I was speaking of all of them. some common use of metaphors one finds in the ancient writings are the use of age, body part, and numbers in describing a person.

Seldom would a persons age be given. However in describing a person they would often be assigned an age, an older age denoting wisdom, a younger age denoting purity.

Seldom would a person be called good or obedient instead you would find a term like "He is a good head"

I think if you compare the writings in the OT you can pick
up some insight into Jewish thought and usage of metaphors.

But in fairness the Qutes attributed to be the exact words of Jesus do contain these metaphors, which makes me believe the Quotes are the actual words Jesus spoke. but the rest of the writings do not carry them through.

I suspect there would have been people who heard Jesus speak would haf written his exact words and kept them for personal use. Some what similar to the Ahadith This bits could have been carried to Greece and the writers in Greece incorporated them into their books.

Here is a link to some of the ancient Jewish metaphors often used. I deliberatly used a biblical site. You may at first come to the conclusion this contradicts what I am proposing. If you come to that conclusion, I'll go deeper.

http://biblesecrets.org/METAPHOR.htm

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