Quran says Mohammed not last messenger

Quran says Mohammed not last messenger

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submitmj

Scarborough, Canada

#1 Oct 24, 2007
I know Mohammad is the last prophet, but if he is the last messenger, as most believe, why does the Quran (3:81, 33:7, 33:40) and the Bible (Malachi 3:1-21, Luke 17:22-36 & Matthew 24:27) speak of another messenger? A consolidating messenger who is to purify and unify GOD's messages that were delivered by all of GOD's prophets.

[33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger of GOD and the final prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.

[33:7] Recall that we took from the prophets their covenant, including you (O Muhammad), Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary. We took from them a solemn pledge.*

[3:81] GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, A MESSENGER WILL COME TO CONFIRM ALL EXISTING SCRIPTURES. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you." [3:82] Those who reject this (Quranic prophecy) are the evil ones.

As well, the Quran talks about in [40:34] how other communities believed their messenger was the last messenger but were wrong.

[40:34] Joseph had come to you before that with clear revelations, but you continued to doubt his message. Then, when he died you said, "GOD will not send any other messenger after him.(He was the last messenger)!"** GOD thus sends astray those who are transgressors, doubtful.

So, my question is why does everybody believe Mohammad is the last messenger when according to GOD he is not?

Peace
not telling you

UK

#2 Oct 26, 2007
GOD does not say anything of another messenger after Mohammad(pbuh). you made it up. dont try corrupting Islam and miss-Quoting
submitmj

Scarborough, Canada

#3 Oct 26, 2007
How can I corrupt Islam by quoting Quran? That is a contradiction in itself. The Quran is from GOD and GOD does not lie. Every single word of is from GOD. No exceptions. So, if you trust GOD, you trust the Quran entirely and it clearly states that a consolidating messenger will come. In fact, this prophesy is not just in Quran. It is in the Bible too.

To show I am not misquoting anything, here is a another translation of Quran by a well know Muslim stating the exact same thing for [3:81] that there is another messenger after Mohammed. See below. And if you still don't believe me, go pick up your QUran or Bible and check it out yourself.

Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall's translation of 3:81.....

When Allah made (His) COVENANT with THE PROPHETS,(He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And AFTERWARD THERE WILL COME UNTO YOU A MESSENGER, CONFIRMING THAT WHICH YE POSSESSES. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you. in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you.

Clearly, there is another Messenger. This verse clearly refers to another messenger "confirming that which ye possesses (the Quran)". Hence, after Mohammed. It is so clear. GOD does not lie.

It is very clear. Here is another example as per Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall.

[33:7] And when we exacted a COVENANT FROM THE PROPHETS, and from THEE (O MOHAMMED) and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus son of Mary, We took from them a SOLEMN COVENANT.

Here is the Bible speaking of the same thing in Malachi 3:1-3.

"Lo, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me; and suddenly there will come to the temple the Lord whom you seek and the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT whom you desire. YES, HE IS COMING, says the Lord of hosts. But who will endure the day of his coming? and who can stand when he appears? For he is like the refiner's fire, or like the fuller's lye." [Malachi 3:1-2]

Clearly, the Quran and the Bible speak of another messenger. GOD is the Author of all the scriptures and HE says there is a Messenger of the Covenant that will confirm all existing scriptures.

You say that I'm misquoting and making it up. If this is true, why does the Quran states this so clearly? Do you really think GOD would make a mistake?!? Let alone the same mistake more than once by stating them same thing in Quran and the Bible? Of course not. GOD does NOT make mistakes.

Also, the Quran says Mohammad is the Final prophet but not the last messenger, which goes in perfect sync with the above verses and the Bible.

[33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger (Rasoul)of GOD and the final prophet (Nabi). GOD is fully aware of all things.

Clearly, I cannot possibly be corrupting Islam by trusting in GOD and HIS revelations.
Sylvia

Santa Fe, NM

#4 Oct 26, 2007
submitmj wrote:
I know Mohammad is the last prophet, but if he is the last messenger, as most believe, why does the Quran (3:81, 33:7, 33:40) and the Bible (Malachi 3:1-21, Luke 17:22-36 & Matthew 24:27) speak of another messenger? A consolidating messenger who is to purify and unify GOD's messages that were delivered by all of GOD's prophets.
[33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger of GOD and the final prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.
[33:7] Recall that we took from the prophets their covenant, including you (O Muhammad), Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary. We took from them a solemn pledge.*
[3:81] GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, A MESSENGER WILL COME TO CONFIRM ALL EXISTING SCRIPTURES. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you." [3:82] Those who reject this (Quranic prophecy) are the evil ones.
As well, the Quran talks about in [40:34] how other communities believed their messenger was the last messenger but were wrong.
[40:34] Joseph had come to you before that with clear revelations, but you continued to doubt his message. Then, when he died you said, "GOD will not send any other messenger after him.(He was the last messenger)!"** GOD thus sends astray those who are transgressors, doubtful.
So, my question is why does everybody believe Mohammad is the last messenger when according to GOD he is not?
Peace
I don’t see any contradiction the evidence is clear from the verses you quoted that he, Mohammad, is the last messenger.
opinion

Pakistan

#5 Oct 26, 2007
The Quran mentions a lot about Jihad and the radicals have declared holy war on infidels particularly the west .This has also created a lot of facistislamists and they claim to be true muslims and followers of the peaceful religion.
submitmj

Scarborough, Canada

#6 Oct 27, 2007
Sylvia, what else can GOD possibly mean when He says .....[3:81] "GOD TOOK A COVENANT FROM THE PROPHETS, SAYING, "I WILL GIVE YOU THE SCRIPTURE AND THE WISDOM. AFTERWARDS, A MESSENGER WILL COME TO CONFIRM ALL EXISTING SCRIPTURES".
Clearly, GOD makes a distinction in Quran between Prophets and Messengers. The above verse GOD is talking about a covenant He took with the PROPHETS who were GIVEN the SCRIPTURES. We all know the Quran is the final scripture from GOD. So, when He says "AFTERWARDS, A MESSENGER WILL COME TO CONFIRM ALL EXISTING SCRIPTURES", He means exactly that. GOD does not lie or make mistakes. He is GOD. The ONE we are supposed to trust 100%. GOD (the author of QUran) makes a clear distinction between Prophets & Messengers. Prophets bring new scriptures and Messengers confirm them.
Remember...[40:34] Joseph had come to you before that with clear revelations, but you continued to doubt his message. Then, when he died you said, "GOD WILL NOT SEND ANY OTHER MESSENGER AFTER HIM.(He was the last messenger)!"** GOD THUS SENDS ASTRAY those who are transgressors, doubtful.
If you find yourself angry that I'm saying MOhammad is not the last messenger, you need to ask yourself why. All I'm doing is trusting GOD alone and quoting verse from Quran.
submitmj

Scarborough, Canada

#7 Oct 27, 2007
Opinion,

The traditional Muslims have gone off on a tangent. They call for holy wars, they instilled oppressive & violent practices not in the Quran. They follow stories (based on hearsay) about the Propthets life written over 200 years after Mohammad's death. These books are called Hadith and SUnnah. These books are called “Hadith and Sunnah”. This is what the majority of Muslims are following, not the Quran. This is a direct violation of the Quran.

Upholding Hadith & Sunnah as religious guidance, according to Quran (not people), constitutes a gross violation (see chapters 45:6, 12:111, 31:6, 17:77, 33:62, 48:23, 69:38-47, 6:114). Ironically, even Hadiths forbid the creation of Hadiths, yet the Muslim scholars did it anyway. For example, The Prophet said, "Do not write down anything from me except the Quran.”[Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Muslim].“This Hadith states that the Prophet maintained his anti-Hadith stand until death.”[Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 192]

Here are verses from Quran ....

[31:6] Some people uphold vain Hadith to divert others from the path of God.

[12:111] The Quran is not a fabricated Hadith; ...it details everything.

[17:77, 33:62, 48:23, 6:114] The only Sunna to follow shall be God's Sunna.

[45:6] Which Hadith, other than God and His revelations, do they uphold?

All Muslims should trust GOD and follow the Quran alone. Hence, GOD alone.
The Truth

Fort Worth, TX

#8 Oct 27, 2007
not telling you wrote:
GOD does not say anything of another messenger after Mohammad(pbuh). you made it up. dont try corrupting Islam and miss-Quoting
A typical Muslim reply.
mohamed

Maldives

#9 Oct 30, 2007
ur a liar.. mohamed is the last and final messenger from Allah.. may Allah curse u...
Scooter-girl

Portland, OR

#10 Oct 31, 2007
Oh goodness...here we go.
submitmj wrote:
3:81.....
When Allah made (His) COVENANT with THE PROPHETS,(He said): Behold that which I have given you of the Scripture and knowledge. And AFTERWARD THERE WILL COME UNTO YOU A MESSENGER, CONFIRMING THAT WHICH YE POSSESSES. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you) in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you. in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you.


Here is the Bible speaking of the same thing in Malachi 3:1-3.
"Lo, I am sending my messenger to prepare the way before me; and suddenly there will come to the temple the Lord whom you seek and the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT whom you desire. YES, HE IS COMING, says the Lord of hosts. But who will endure the day of his coming? and who can stand when he appears? For he is like the refiner's fire, or like the fuller's lye." [Malachi 3:1-2]
The quote from Malachi is from the OT, one of the prophecies concerning the coming of Jonn the Baptist (the messenger) and then Jesus (the Lord).

The Quran quote is quite clear that it refers to Muhammad, unless you are of the belief that much of the Quran was taken from the Bible, and that much of what is thought to refer to Muhammad actually refers to Jesus.

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
Allah then explained His covenant with the prophets on the day of “Yes, indeed!” regarding Muhammad's traits and description, saying:(When Allah made (His) covenant with the Prophets) He says: Allah made a covenant with the prophets that they will show to one another the traits, description and merit of Muhammad,((He said): Behold that which I have given ye) when I did give you (of the Scripture and knowledge) containing details of the lawful and the unlawful.(And) you also made a covenant with your nation that (afterward there will come unto you a messenger, confirming) by calling to Allah's divine Oneness (that which ye possess) of Scripture.(Ye shall believe in him) He says: you shall acknowledge him and his virtue (and ye shall help him) with the sword against his enemies and also by expositing his trait.(He said: Do ye agree?) Allah asked them whether they accepted (and will you take My burden) My covenant (in this) what I said?(They) the prophets (answered: We agree) we accept.(He) Allah (said: Then bear ye witness) of this.(I will be a witness with you) of this also. Allah thus made them witnesses of one another and He Himself is a witness. And so each prophet explained this to his nation, and each prophet made the members of his nation witnesses for each other, just as each prophet bore witness to it.

http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...
Jane

United States

#11 Oct 31, 2007
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
A typical Muslim reply.
that is very true. we are trying to learn about your religion - dont shut us off by this kind of comment - why are Muslim this way? I know for a fact that this is NOT the teaching of you prophet nor does the quran commends it. Muslims should learn to speak nicely so we folks like us can learn from them.
thank you.
ANTI SATAN

Cape Town, South Africa

#13 Oct 31, 2007
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
A typical Muslim reply.
Ever read "The Da Vinci Code"? In it is quite an excellent explanation how Christianity was formed, how thw pagan tradition was introduced to Chritainity and all the different version of the Bible since Constantine wrote it.
Scooter-girl

Portland, OR

#14 Oct 31, 2007
ANTI SATAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever read "The Da Vinci Code"? In it is quite an excellent explanation how Christianity was formed, how thw pagan tradition was introduced to Chritainity and all the different version of the Bible since Constantine wrote it.
Uhm, "The DaVinci Code" is fiction...

“Lousiana”

Since: Oct 07

United States

#15 Oct 31, 2007
Scooter-girl wrote:
<quoted text>
Uhm, "The DaVinci Code" is fiction...
Senorita. Good evening. This guy is nuts. He's talking [you are right] fiction The DaVinci Code. What's next? "Rise of Silver Surfer - Fantastic Four"? This amigo is a moslems Neanderthals that have distinct morphological features.
Guest

West Lafayette, IN

#16 Nov 13, 2007
The "Da Vinci Code" is indeed fiction but what it said about the Council of Nicea is true so please do not insult until you have actually done the research. Most fictional books do carry certain truths to them.

Thank you.
Watching in the Wings

Batavia, IL

#17 Nov 13, 2007
mohamed wrote:
ur a liar.. mohamed is the last and final messenger from Allah.. may Allah curse u...
No, Truth, THIS is a typical Muslim reply. ; -)
Watching in the Wings

Batavia, IL

#18 Nov 13, 2007
No other prophet of God, other than Muhammad, committed murder.

Any human who breaks Gods own commandments can not be trusted to speak for God. It is totally illogical to accept this false premise, that Muhammad could have been guided by God when he broke the 6th commandment of God and claimed he had 'special rights'. Not even Jesus, who was born without sin, and persecuted unto death did not harm a single hair on a single head or shed a single drop of blood in violence. And when God was revealing through Jesus his perfect will, he taught us that we are not given the authority to judge, condemn or enact punishment on any human, that only GOD HIMSELF has this power.

Muhammad claimed authority and power that was not his to claim and claimed that God gave it to him, then he claimed that God said he never assigned "partners" with him. The teachings of Muhammad are so convoluted that it takes complete denial of logic to accept it. Yet Muslims right here on this forum have claimed it is the most logical religion...in an insane asylum perhaps.
Reverse Entropy Inc

Diablo, CA

#19 Nov 13, 2007
ANTI SATAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever read "The Da Vinci Code"? In it is quite an excellent explanation how Christianity was formed, how thw pagan tradition was introduced to Chritainity and all the different version of the Bible since Constantine wrote it.
Constantine wrote the Bible? Wow, you are very knowledgeable.
Superwit

Chambersburg, PA

#20 Jul 7, 2008
hihihihihiih lowwits galore hohohohohoh
GODisONE

Toronto, Canada

#21 Jul 7, 2008
All Prophets are messengers, but not all messengers are prophets. Prophets bring Scriptures. Messengers confirm scriptures. There IS a distinction.

According to the Quran, there clearly is another messenger (NOT PROPHET) that will come to confirm what Muhummad brought as all the previous scriptures. The key word in [3:81]is "AFTERWARDS" a messenger will come. In other words, AFTER all the scriptures have been revealed (including QUran via Mohummad). Clearly, another messenger will come to confirm (prove) the Scriptures. In fact, it already happened. www.miracleof19.org

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