mufti divva

UK

#43 Jul 26, 2013
Atheist Silurist wrote:
<quoted text>
"Honour" killings. To murder your own daughter is honorable.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.
Female genital mutilation means virtuous.
Could it be that islam is an ironic guide of how **NOT** to live your life?
islam is like a reverse pandora's box - all the evil dreamt up on this planet has been stuffed into this receptacle of islam - then it morphs into a prism and when evil is perceived through this lens,it becomes good etc
Mujahid

Arlington, TX

#45 Jul 26, 2013
Mahmood wrote:
<quoted text>
There are parts of the world where Islam was not spread by the sword and Indonesia happened to be one of them. This was not case in other areas of the world (Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Sub-Continent).
5. Jihad automatically becomes obligatory on a Muslim when people do not practice what Allah and Muhammad have prescribed as the proper way of life.
Looking forward to your response.
At least you admit that Islam came to Indonesia in a peaceful manner by a group of civilized Muslim traders.

In Arabia before the advent of Islam, there was a total "Jahilya". The social condition of Arabs was deplorable as it was steeped in immorality. A daughter born was burried alive. Slavery was common, and every rich Arab had hundreds of concubines. Human sacrifice was commonly practised. Ancient Arabs literature is stunk with wine and other strong liquors, containing a treasure of its expressions. During a state of drunkenness, acts of the most shameless vice and profigacy were indulged in by the whole assembly. Rum-shops were well decorated. Gambling was the next favourite pastime for them. Adultery was another vice to which the whole of Arabia was hopelessly wedded. The enemies were burnt alive, pregnant women had their bellies slashed, innocent babes and children were massacred. Usuary was in vogue. The women, having no right and no social respect, were the worst sufferer in the society. They were regarded as chattels and were looked with bitter contempt. A man was free to marry any number of women and could divorce as he wished. Women were deprived of the right of inheritance. The Arabs were embarrassed at the birth of daughters and sometimes, the fathers buried them alive in spite of soul-harrowing cries. It was a custom for the eldest son to take as a wives his father's widows, inherited as a property with the rest of the estate. Slavery was another curse having a firm hold on the Arab society. The masters possessed the authority of life and death over them. The worst type of obscene language was used in expressing sex-relations. Stories of love and illicit relationships were narrated proudly and with utter want of shame in verses of the most indecent kind. In sum, women were accorded no better treatment than lower animals. Robbery, pillage and murder were also of common occurrence; human blood being almost daily shed without remorse or horror. On the death of any person, the custom was to tie his camel to his tomb and suffer it to be starved to death, and this camel they called baliyah. Neverthless, the Arabs possessed certain natural virtues that marked them out in the post-Islamic age. They were the most eloquence nation, plain of speech, strong of memory, firm of determination, superb horsemen, loyal and trustworthy.

That is why Allah SWT sent our Beloved Prophet Mohammad SA who also gave great sacrifices to bring human values and Islam to Arabia. And to a great extent, his Mission was a great success for Humanity. Islam gave the Arabs human decency, spititual wealth and instructed them to prepare for the Day of Judgement. Islam was welcomed.

There is no compulsion in Islam, and it was never forced upon anybody. TELL ME WHERE IS THE ISLAMIC SWORD NOW??????.
And, note how Islam is spreading after the horrific events of 911. People are now coming to realize that there were no Muslims who master-minded the 911 terrorism.
Rest later. How Islam came to the sub-continent and other places? I will explain later.
Thanks.
Onelawforall

London, UK

#46 Jul 26, 2013
Name your sources that are not Islamic. Arabia was a peaceful trading country before islam. Women were treated as equals. This can be seen by Khadija being a wealthy business woman who took Muhammad under her wing and chose him for her husband. Was it because Muhammad was indebted to a woman that he resented them so much that he took away all their rights and made the word of a woman worth half that of a man and gave men four wives that they can divorce by repeatuing "I divorce thee" three times. Women lost all their rights with Muhammad.
naman

Norway

#47 Jul 26, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
What is the meaning of jihad?
"Jihad" is a term often misunderstood and associated with violent radical militants. This Arabic word is frequently mistranslated as "holy war," although there is no such thing in Islam. Holy war is something undertaken to forcibly subject others to certain religious doctrines. As we have seen, this is expressly forbidden in Islam.
The Arabic word "jihad" actually means a struggle or striving, and applies to any great effort on the personal as well as the social level. It is striving to do good and remove injustice and evil from oneself and from society. This exertion of effort can be spiritual, social, economic or political. For example, one of the highest levels of jihad is to stand before a tyrant and speak a word of truth. Restraining the self from wrongdoing is also a form of jihad. It is a broad Islamic concept that includes opposing evil inclinations within the self, opposing injustice by peaceful means, the exertion of effort to improve the quality of life in society, as well as the striving by military forces on a battlefield in defense of the community or of peoples oppressed. Jihad is not synonymous with war, as that is only one possible aspect of the term, and it certainly does not include terrorism.
Indeed, the concept of jihad is one of life, and it is vast, not limited only to armed conflict. One finds in the Qur’an mention of "jihad by means of the Qur’an," meaning invitation to truth using the best arguments, presentation of evidence and clarification. And there is jihad of the soul, which means striving to purify the soul, to increase its faith, incline it toward good and keep it away from evil. Then there is jihad through wealth, which means spending it in various beneficial ways, including charities and welfare projects. And there is jihad through the self, which comprises all good works done by a believer.
It includes the protection of societies from oppression, foreign domination and dictatorships that usurp rights and freedom, that abolish just and moral rule, that prevent people from hearing the truth or following it, and that practice religious persecution. Jihad endeavors to teach belief in the one supreme God and worship of Him, to spread good values, virtue and morality through wise and proper methods. Jihad means striving for social reform and the elimination of ignorance, superstition, poverty, disease and racial discrimination. Among its main objectives is securing rights for weaker members of society against the impositions of the powerful and influential.
Armed jihad is not an option for Muslim individuals or groups. It can only be declared by the Muslim head of state and religious leadership. Moreover, it must never be fought for worldly gain, conquest or revenge. Muslims may only engage in battle to protect peoples' lives, properties and freedom.
Excuse me sir/madame. If you have read some of what I have written on this page, you know I seldom use strong words, but this is rubbish.

Muhammad introduced the claimed "holy war" and the to non-Muslims less known "holy battle", and there have ever since and still are frequent "holy" wars.

It is up to you if you want your claime named nonsense or al-Taqiyya - lawful lie.

Oh, I know the claims regarding inner struggle. Bur war, stealing/looting, supperssing, etc. always after ca. 623 AD has dominated Islam.

http://www.1000mistakes.com
"Muhammadans, not Muslims".
george whyte

Thirsk, UK

#48 Jul 26, 2013
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_J...
Mujahid

Arlington, TX

#49 Jul 26, 2013
Old Pom wrote:
<quoted text>
If what wrote were true then islam would not be held in contempt by virtually all non muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#50 Jul 26, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
LMAO!
Another Muslim liar!
Muslims Crusades against Christian lands.
Muslims invaded Christian lands for booty, Muslims raped, robbed, and murdered Christians and took slaves.
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Stenhouse/...

Muslim will always be the evil doer's in the world.
Muslims rape rob and murder for booty.
Mujahid

Arlington, TX

#52 Jul 27, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!
Another Muslim liar!
Muslims Crusades against Christian lands.
Muslims invaded Christian lands for booty, Muslims raped, robbed, and murdered Christians and took slaves.
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Stenhouse/...
Muslim will always be the evil doer's in the world.
Muslims rape rob and murder for booty.
Please watch this debate and then decide if you wish to modify your opinion on Islam and Muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#53 Jul 27, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Please watch this debate and then decide if you wish to modify your opinion on Islam and Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Nope, didn't do anything for me! How about you Shamma?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#54 Jul 27, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Please watch this debate and then decide if you wish to modify your opinion on Islam and Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
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You don't get Muslim!
The issue is about the human right to life, liberty. and the pursuit of happiness.

You preach for Islam like a hypocrite.
Telling others that Islam is a peaceful religion that can solve mankind's problems while all the while Muslims murder innocent people for rejecting Muhammad.

Muslims seem to think they have a license to Murder those that reject the Muslim religion of Muhammad.
From whom do Muslims have a license to murder Christians, Hindu's Buddhist, and non-Muslims?

Who gave the Muslims a license to murder people of other beliefs other then the beliefs of Muslims?

Can you be truthful Muslim and answer my questions?
Onelawforall

London, UK

#55 Jul 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Please watch this debate and then decide if you wish to modify your opinion on Islam and Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
=
What did you actually find important in that?
naman

Norway

#56 Jul 28, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You don't get Muslim!
The issue is about the human right to life, liberty. and the pursuit of happiness.
You preach for Islam like a hypocrite.
Telling others that Islam is a peaceful religion that can solve mankind's problems while all the while Muslims murder innocent people for rejecting Muhammad.
Muslims seem to think they have a license to Murder those that reject the Muslim religion of Muhammad.
From whom do Muslims have a license to murder Christians, Hindu's Buddhist, and non-Muslims?
Who gave the Muslims a license to murder people of other beliefs other then the beliefs of Muslims?

Can you be truthful Muslim and answer my questions?
I am not a Muslim, but it is very easy to answer those Quration: Muhammad and his Quran. To claim that Islam is "the Religion of Peace" is not even a joke - it is a religion of suppression and blood. Anybody reading the suras from Medina has got to see that.

http://www.1000mistakes.com
"Mohammadans, not Muslims".
Mujahid

Arlington, TX

#57 Jul 28, 2013
Ravenclaw, Shamma, Onelawforall, Naman, etc.

The problem is that you guys would not even accept the wisdom and Judgement of your educated elders. Many staunch anti-Muslim hatemongers learn something in their lives and eventually realize the real TRUTH of Islam. History is full of such incidences. Then, they feel good inside and outside.
I and others like me wiash to bring all of you close to Islam, and would not give up so easy.

QUOTATIONS ON ISLAMIC CIVILIZATION
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote2.html

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."
"I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today."

Bertrand Russel in ‘History of Western Philosophy,’ London, 1948, p. 419.

"Our use of phrase 'The Dark ages' to cover the period from 699 to 1,000 marks our undue concentration on Western Europe...
"From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What was lost to christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quite the contrary...

"To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this is a narrow view."

H.G. Wells

"The Islamic teachings have left great traditions for equitable and gentle dealings and behavior, and inspire people with nobility and tolerance. These are human teachings of the highest order and at the same time practicable. These teachings brought into existence a society in which hard-heartedness and collective oppression and injustice were the least as compared with all other societies preceding it....Islam is replete with gentleness, courtesy, and fraternity."
PATX

San Antonio, TX

#58 Jul 28, 2013
You talk about "our elders" embracing the Idea of Islam as if the elders you cite were the ultimate word.

Well, how about this elder-Charles Martel? Or Peppin? Or Richard "The Lion Heart"? Or Foulk Anjou?

I have no less than 5 ancestors buried in the Holy Land from the 11th century to the 13th century.

None of my elders/ancestors dealings with Islam has left me believing that Islam is a religion of "truth". Muslims have plundered and slaughtered from Anatolia to Egypt. From Arabia to France. And if all they wanted to do was spread the word of Allah, why was done done with the sword and the pursuit of booty?

I hate when you Muzbots try to rewrite history. You messed up real bad in rewriting Judaism and Christianity, now you want to change history to cover up the flaws in Islam.

IT WILL NOT WORK ON INTELLIGENT MINDS!
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#59 Jul 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
At least you admit that Islam came to Indonesia in a peaceful manner by a group of civilized Muslim traders.
In Arabia before the advent of Islam, there was a total "Jahilya". The social condition of Arabs was deplorable as it was steeped in immorality. A daughter born was burried alive. Slavery was common, and every rich Arab had hundreds of concubines. Human sacrifice was commonly practised. Ancient Arabs literature is stunk with wine and other strong liquors, containing a treasure of its expressions. During a state of drunkenness, acts of the most shameless vice and profigacy were indulged in by the whole assembly. Rum-shops were well decorated. Gambling was the next favourite pastime for them. Adultery was another vice to which the whole of Arabia was hopelessly wedded. The enemies were burnt alive, pregnant women had their bellies slashed, innocent babes and children were massacred. Usuary was in vogue. The women, having no right and no social respect, were the worst sufferer in the society. They were regarded as chattels and were looked with bitter contempt. A man was free to marry any number of women and could divorce as he wished. Women were deprived of the right of inheritance. The Arabs were embarrassed at the birth of daughters and sometimes, the fathers buried them alive in spite of soul-harrowing cries. It was a custom for the eldest son to take as a wives his father's widows, inherited as a property with the rest of the estate. Slavery was another curse having a firm hold on the Arab society. The masters possessed the authority of life and death over them. The worst type of obscene language was used in expressing sex-relations. Stories of love and illicit relationships were narrated proudly and with utter want of shame in verses of the most indecent kind. In sum, women were accorded no better treatment than lower animals. Robbery, pillage and murder were also of common occurrence; human blood being almost daily shed without remorse or horror. On the death of any person, the custom was to tie his camel to his tomb and suffer it to be starved to death, and this camel they called baliyah. Neverthless, the Arabs possessed certain natural virtues that marked them out in the post-Islamic age. They were the most eloquence nation, plain of speech, strong of memory, firm of determination, superb horsemen, loyal and trustworthy.
That is why Allah SWT sent our Beloved Prophet Mohammad SA who also gave great sacrifices to bring human values and Islam to Arabia. And to a great extent, his Mission was a great success for Humanity. Islam gave the Arabs human decency, spititual wealth and instructed them to prepare for the Day of Judgement. Islam was welcomed.
There is no compulsion in Islam, and it was never forced upon anybody. TELL ME WHERE IS THE ISLAMIC SWORD NOW??????.
And, note how Islam is spreading after the horrific events of 911. People are now coming to realize that there were no Muslims who master-minded the 911 terrorism.
Rest later. How Islam came to the sub-continent and other places? I will explain later.
Thanks.
Islam is religion of victory and Jihad was deeply rooted in the psyche of the maraduing Arabs of the 7th century. Social conditions (pre & post Islamic) are not what we are discussing here. I am claiming that Islam is only a peaceful religion on its own terms only. Islamic sword is lying dormant because the sword they have right now is extremely weak. More muslims are right now dying by the hands of other muslims. Very few kafirs are being killed at the moment.

Jihad is all about massacre, mutilation and misery, and not about any moral, social or humanitarian service as the Muslim divines pretend. Islam is the only true way of life: the rest is fake, foul and felonious.

Continued:
ashkarlovesALLAH

Yemen

#60 Jul 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
Ever since the Renaissance, the followers of Islam have been subjected to persecution, atrocities and difficulties. From the Inquisition in Spain and Andalucia to the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, Gujrat, Kashmir and Chechnya, the Muslim people have endured colonial and imperialistic regimes and economic and military oppression. By the means of media, Islam (Submission) has been given a sinister image in the eye of the public opinion, this notorious image is mainly due to the ignorance and misunderstanding of the media and public.
A word which is often heard and associated with the acts of certain individuals, claiming to act in the name of Islam, is the Arabic word: Jihad. Its significance plays an extremely crucial role in the image of Islam. But what does this so widely known word mean? Jihad has a great significance in the lives of Muslims (Submitters in English). Like any language, Arabic has unique words which have a particular meaning which cannot be translated precisely. The best translation known for such a word is the following: a sincere and noticeable effort (for good); an all true and unselfish striving for spiritual good.
Jihad as presented in the Quran and any of the other scriptures implies the striving of spiritual good. This Jihad particularly involves change in one's self and mentality. It may concern the sacrifice of material property, social class and even emotional comfort solely for the salvation and worship of God ALONE. As a result, one who practices Jihad will gain tremendously in the Hereafter*.
Johad means self-improvement and also fighting to preserve Human dignity and Human rights.
"The Hereafter is far better for you than this first (life.)"(93:4)
may ALLAH bless u dear bro
Mahmood

Mississauga, Canada

#61 Jul 28, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Please watch this debate and then decide if you wish to modify your opinion on Islam and Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I have seen this debate. The opponents of Mehdi Hassan did not quote the Koran as I would have. Had I been in that debate, I would be grilling the "religion of peace" platform on the violent verses of the Koran.
Bombardier

Bowling Green, KY

#62 Jul 28, 2013
You are quoting guys that died long before 24 hour news coverage and the internet. I'm sure if they were alive today they would say "oops, was I way off or what?".
Onelawforall

London, UK

#63 Jul 29, 2013
Adolf Hitler was a great admirer of Islam. That shows what an abominable doctrine Islam is.

"Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the Arab, the standard attained was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers, and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of purist chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians. Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already you see the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."

Like so many muslims Hitler admired warrior doctrines.

George Bernard Shaw admired Islam. He was also a great admirer of Stalin, Mussolini & Hitler.

H G Wells was a believer in eugenics.

Yes, Islam has a special attraction for right wing neo nazis.
Mujahid

Arlington, TX

#64 Jul 29, 2013
PATX wrote:
You talk about "our elders" embracing the Idea of Islam as if the elders you cite were the ultimate word.
Well, how about this elder-Charles Martel? Or Peppin? Or Richard "The Lion Heart"? Or Foulk Anjou?
I have no less than 5 ancestors buried in the Holy Land from the 11th century to the 13th century.
None of my elders/ancestors dealings with Islam has left me believing that Islam is a religion of "truth". Muslims have plundered and slaughtered from Anatolia to Egypt. From Arabia to France. And if all they wanted to do was spread the word of Allah, why was done done with the sword and the pursuit of booty?
I hate when you Muzbots try to rewrite history. You messed up real bad in rewriting Judaism and Christianity, now you want to change history to cover up the flaws in Islam.
IT WILL NOT WORK ON INTELLIGENT MINDS!
Please be reminded that it is Islam, not Judaism, Hinduism or Christanity which is the fastest growing religion of the world.

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