Jesus is not God

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#1781 Jun 28, 2013
Alex123 WM wrote:
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Hello lying MPD slave.
Who is the REAL Jesus from this list so I can embrace him:
Please point him out.
1. Jesus= father of son of "GOD"
2. Jesus= father of son of "god the father"
3. Jesus= ghost of father of son of "GOD"
4. Jesus= ghost of father of son of "god the father"
5. Jesus= spirit of father of son of "GOD"
6. Jesus= spirit of father of son of "god the father"
7. Jesus= son of man (son of Adam)
8. Jesus= son of man (son of David)
9. Jesus= son of man (son of Joseph)
10. Jesus= son of "GOD" (who encompasses god the father)
11. Jesus= son of "god the father" (who is part of GOD)
12. Jesus= son of god the Holy Spirit (who is part of GOD)
13. Jesus= son of god the holy ghost (who is part of GOD)
14. Jesus= ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
15. Jesus= ghost of son of man (son of David)
16. Jesus= ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
17. Jesus= ghost of son of "GOD"
18. Jesus= ghost of son of "god the father"
19. Jesus= ghost of son of "god the holy spirit"
20. Jesus= ghost of son of "god the holy ghost"
21. Jesus= spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
22. Jesus= spirit of son of man (son of David)
23. Jesus= spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
24. Jesus= spirit of son of "GOD"
25. Jesus= spirit of son of "god the father"
26. Jesus= spirit of son of "god the holy spirit"
27. Jesus= spirit of son of "god the holy ghost"
28. Jesus= ghost of spirit of father of son of "GOD"
29. Jesus= ghost of spirit of father of son of "god the father"
30. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Adam)
31. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of man (son of David)
32. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of man (son of Joseph)
33. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of "GOD"
34. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of "god the father"
35. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of god the holy spirit
36. Jesus= ghost of spirit of son of god the holy ghost
37. Jesus= spirit of ghost father of son of "GOD"
38. Jesus= spirit of ghost of father of son of "god the father"
39. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Adam)
40. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of man (son of David)
41. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of man (son of Joseph)
42. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of "GOD"
43. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of "god the father"
44. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of god the holy spirit
45. Jesus= spirit of ghost of son of god the holy ghost
46. Jesus= "Risen" Jesus
47. Jesus= "Risen" son of man (son of Adam)
48. Jesus= "Risen" son of man (son of David)
49. Jesus= "Risen" son of man (son of Joseph)
50. Jesus= "Risen" son of "God"
51. Jesus= "Risen" son of "god the father"
52. Jesus= "Risen" son of "god the holy spirit"
53. Jesus= "Risen" son of "god the holy ghost"
54. Jesus= "Lord" of St Paul
55. Jesus= "Christ" of St Paul
56. Jesus= Millions of "Jesus" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
57. Jesus= Millions of "Holy Spirits" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
58. Jesus= Millions of "Holy Ghosts" in different shapes and sizes inside every "Christian" in every nation and language
59. Jesus= The Jesus in heaven sitting on his own right hand watching himself VINDICTIVELY making footstool of enemies.
60. Jesus= ALL of the above
61. Jesus= NONE of the above
62. Jesus= Any more to be added to the above?
Why do Muslims believe the testimony of Muhammad the rapist, robber and Murder, and not believe in Jesus who followed Gods Commandments with out sin?

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#1783 Jun 28, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Why do Muslims believe the testimony of Muhammad the rapist, robber and Murder, and not believe in Jesus who followed Gods Commandments with out sin?
According to Christianity, Jesus claimed to be God. Right?

That makes him a great sinner.

That is an unpardonable sin. Jesus will not be forgiven for that.
Mujahid

Hurst, TX

#1784 Jun 28, 2013
bmz wrote:
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According to Christianity, Jesus claimed to be God. Right?
That makes him a great sinner.
That is an unpardonable sin. Jesus will not be forgiven for that.
Exactly, why would Jesus make God so unhappy?

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#1785 Jun 29, 2013
bmz wrote:
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According to Christianity, Jesus claimed to be God. Right?
That makes him a great sinner.
That is an unpardonable sin. Jesus will not be forgiven for that.
Where is ir said that Jesus is a sinner in the QUran?

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#1786 Jun 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Exactly, why would Jesus make God so unhappy?
The distinctives of the Lord Jesus-Christ in the Koran.

What Does the Koran Say about Jesus?

1. Jesus was the only person to be born of a virgin, distinguished from all humans and prophets without any exception: "She said, How shall I have a son, whom no mortal has touched, neither have I been unchased. He said, Even so thy Lord has said: Easy is that for Me; and that We may appoint him a sign unto men and a mercy from Us. It is a thing determined."(19)(Mary 16-24).

2. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all humans by being the Word of God, who is the very expression of the Self of God end His eternal Being: "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word…" (4)The Women 171; (3)House of Imran 40).

3. Jesus Christ alone emanated from the spirit of God; for this reason He did not need a sexual, genetical birth. "The Messiah, Jesus Son of Mary, God's Messenger, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him." (4)The Women 169)

4. Jesus Christ alone, in exception to all humans, spoke while in the cradle (19)Mary 22-32). The Koran tells us that Christ needed no one to teach Him anything, not even how to speak. The Bible says: "Who hath directed the spirit of the Lord, or being His counselor hath taught Him knowledge and showed to Him the way of understanding." (Isaiah 40:1,13-14). Naturally, no one can teach the One who emanated from God's Spirit for He is the All-knowing.

5. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all prophets with His infallibility and was the only one to be singled out for His perfection; for all the prophets had sinned, and their sins were mentioned in the Koran. However, Christ was the only exception, for "High honored shall be in this world and the next." (3)House of Imran 45). Also, the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) testified for the perfection of Christ and His infallibility, saying: "Satan pokes with his finger the side of every human at birth, except Jesus, son of Mary; when he went to poke Him, he poked the curtain."

6. Jesus Christ alone was distinguished from all others in the sense that He was the Creator: "I will create for you out of clay as the likeness of a bird; then I will breathe into it and it will be a bird." (3)House of Imran 42).

7. Jesus Christ alone was uniquely incomparable in knowing men's secrets: "I will inform you too of what things you eat, and what you treasure up in your houses. Surely, in that is a sign for you if you are believers." (3)House of Imran 48).

8. Jesus was matchless in making the miracles and the wonders which no other could make: "And I will also heal the blind and the leper…" (3)House of Imran 48).

9. Jesus Christ alone could raise the dead with the word of His blessed mouth: And I will bring life to the dead…" (3)House of Imran 48; (5)The Table 110).

10. Jesus Christ alone exclusively enjoyed the prophetical title of "the Messiah": "The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was God's Messenger, and His Word committed to Mary…" (4)Women 169). The Old Testament made known the real identity of the Messiah, saying: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgement and justice in the earth… and this is the name whereby He shall be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jeremiah 23:5-6)

11. Jesus Christ alone exchanged responsibility of authority with God: "And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when thou didst take me to thy self, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them." (5)Table 117).

12. Jesus was the only one to become a Sign unto men and Mercy from God (19)Mary 20) unto men who fell under the burden and the shackles of sin; for which, God's justice and holiness condemned them to eternal perdition. For this reason the only Savior, who can offer eternal salvation to men came to be a Mercy from God.

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#1787 Jun 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Exactly, why would Jesus make God so unhappy?
Continued:
The distinctives of the Lord Jesus-Christ in the Koran.

What Does the Koran Say about Jesus?

12. Jesus was the only one to become a Sign unto men and Mercy from God (19)Mary 20) unto men who fell under the burden and the shackles of sin; for which, God's justice and holiness condemned them to eternal perdition. For this reason the only Savior, who can offer eternal salvation to men came to be a Mercy from God.

13. Only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection: "I will cause thee to die, and I will raise thee to Me, and I will purify thee of those who believe not. I will set thy followers above the unbelievers till the resurrection Day," (3)House of Imran 55)

14. Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) confirmed this fact, saying: "The Last Hour will not come until the Son of Mary come down as the just Judge."

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#1788 Jun 29, 2013
bmz wrote:
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According to Christianity, Jesus claimed to be God. Right?
That makes him a great sinner.
That is an unpardonable sin. Jesus will not be forgiven for that.
Who is Christ Indeed?

If you meditated on any of the Koran verses that portray the Lord Jesus Christ, you find that they are inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God; and that He did not share any of them with any human at all. Moreover, you find that the Lord Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes, but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity.

The New Testament recorded that the All-mighty God became a perfect man (something that was easy for Him to do) and came from heaven to our earth to save men. The Bible says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God … and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14). Then the Bible continues the portrayal of Christ, saying:"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16).

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#1789 Jun 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Exactly, why would Jesus make God so unhappy?
You are mistaken.
Even the Koran verifies Jesus is a sign of mercy from God the Father.
Who is Christ Indeed?

If you meditated on any of the Koran verses that portray the Lord Jesus Christ, you find that they are inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God; and that He did not share any of them with any human at all. Moreover, you find that the Lord Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes, but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity.

The New Testament recorded that the All-mighty God became a perfect man (something that was easy for Him to do) and came from heaven to our earth to save men. The Bible says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God … and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1,14). Then the Bible continues the portrayal of Christ, saying:"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory." (1 Timothy 3:16).

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#1791 Jun 29, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Who is Christ Indeed?
If you meditated on any of the Koran verses that portray the Lord Jesus Christ, you find that they are inherent attributes that are exclusively distinctive of God; and that He did not share any of them with any human at all. Moreover, you find that the Lord Jesus Christ did not enjoy only one of these attributes, but He included all of them in His blessed person, so that He may leave no doubt concerning His deity and divinity.
Qur'aan say that Jesus said: "I am indeed a servant of God: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;"

Jesus Abdullah meaning, Jesus the Servant of Allah.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

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#1792 Jun 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Exactly, why would Jesus make God so unhappy?
It is the lying Church that has made God unhappy. Jesus, the obedient slave of Allah never disobeyed.
Mujahid

Hurst, TX

#1793 Jun 29, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Continued:
The distinctives of the Lord Jesus-Christ in the Koran.
What Does the Koran Say about Jesus?
12. Jesus was the only one to become a Sign unto men and Mercy from God (19)Mary 20) unto men who fell under the burden and the shackles of sin; for which, God's justice and holiness condemned them to eternal perdition. For this reason the only Savior, who can offer eternal salvation to men came to be a Mercy from God.
13. Only Jesus Christ could give His followers high honors and assurances concerning the day of Resurrection: "I will cause thee to die, and I will raise thee to Me, and I will purify thee of those who believe not. I will set thy followers above the unbelievers till the resurrection Day," (3)House of Imran 55)
14. Only Jesus will be the Judge who will come to this world to judge the living and the dead; the Arab prophet (El-Bukhari) confirmed this fact, saying: "The Last Hour will not come until the Son of Mary come down as the just Judge."
I agree to all the above as mentioned in the Holy Qura'an about Jesus (Peace be Upon him).
But, nowhere in the Qura'an, it says that Jesus was the son of God.
Believe me, the teachings of Jesus are very precious and important to me even as a Muslim, and I want the whole humanity to obey them. But, I am sorry to say that te Christians are the ones who are themselves not following his teachings.
Let us at least follow his teachings and try to live in peace and respect wih each other.

These noble Prophets suffered so much to give us the Message of Compassion, Forgiveness and Patience.
The Jews do no follow the 10 Commandments, the Christians have certain notions about Jesus which are not helping, and even in the Muslim world, there is corruption and immorality.
Oh God help us !
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1794 Jun 29, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Believe me, the teachings of Jesus are very precious and important to me even as a Muslim,
How about these ones?

38 “You have heard that it was said,‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

“the Lion of Judah”

Since: Jul 08

US Bible Belt

#1795 Jun 29, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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Show me were Jesus said "I am not the Son of God do not worship Me"?
You cannot show that at all.
Jesus proved He is the Son of God.
There is only one message God sent down to all the peoples of the world. And that message was sent down before Muhammad was born.
Why are Muslims evil?
Because their disbelief in Jesus as Gods Son leads Muslims to commit the evil act of murder.
And the insanity of Muslims is they try to justify their evil acts by using their Gods rejection of Jesus as Gods Son, as a right to murder people.
Muslims murdering people is breaking Gods law and Muslims don't feel guilty about murdering people. That is satanic and evil, and blasphemes God.
Muslims in an evil way don't give a dam about it.
It's that need of Muslim to look at their own religion and see the evil they are doing in the name of their god they call Allah, their messenger Muhammad.
The idea that their Muslim god has power over all people, and giving the Muslims a religious right to murder those that oppose their religion is a falsehood.
That is not a God given right by God to murder anyone for the cause of a religious god. If Muslims have sanity they would come to that realization.
God is the ruler over the world, and Muslims need to realize that each person must address their own faults that displease God.
Muhammad missed that point, and falsely commands Muslim to Jihad against his neighbor instead of realizing, the Jihad God Commands us to follow is a Jihad against ones own sinful faults in life.
That is the true message that God sent down in His Holy Book to every one.
For that is what every one must answer to God for on the last Judgment day
God is not going to ask anyone "are you a Muslim, Jew, Christian, or atheist"
God is going to ask you Muslim why have you not prepared your self for this last judgment day?
"Why have you continued to sin and offend Me?"
You are evil Muslim.
You continue to sin against Good.
Anyone who stands against the wicked ways of the USA is a friend of God's and it is easier to forgive the terrorist or freedom fighter as I call them than it is to forgive a Christian. Mankind's ways are Stan's ways and the Americans promote that all day every day.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1796 Jun 29, 2013
Jake999 wrote:
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Anyone who stands against the wicked ways of the USA is a friend of God's and it is easier to forgive the terrorist or freedom fighter as I call them than it is to forgive a Christian. Mankind's ways are Stan's ways and the Americans promote that all day every day.
Well Jake, I don't know how you can bear to continue to live in such an evil country. Doesn't it make you feel bad or at least a little guilty or funny? The jihadis can really use your help, and you have all of these miraculous powers to lend them. Why aren't you in Pakistan right now?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1797 Jun 29, 2013
Jake999 wrote:
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Anyone who stands against the wicked ways of the USA is a friend of God's and it is easier to forgive the terrorist or freedom fighter as I call them than it is to forgive a Christian.
Here's a way for you to use your self proclaimed, miraculous, wondrous abilities. You can teach "freedom fighters", as you like to call them, how to insert bombs into thousands of loaves of Wonder Bread. After all, you did such wondrous things at that Wonder Bread shop you ran before. Then, you can invent a Pillsbury Dough Boy that can shoot 30 rounds per second out of it's belly after someone tickles it. That oughtta' teach them not to make make "crescent" rolls after Church. The Crescent is supposed to be a symbol for Islam, and those dirty Christians disrespect Muslims when they eat them.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1798 Jun 29, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Who is Christ Indeed?
Aw jeez, could you please, please stop with all of these long copy and pastes? They aren't going to read them.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1799 Jun 29, 2013
Jake999 wrote:
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Anyone who stands against the wicked ways of the USA is a friend of God's and it is easier to forgive the terrorist or freedom fighter as I call them than it is to forgive a Christian. Mankind's ways are Stan's ways and the Americans promote that all day every day.
Hey Jake, looks like someone else thinks he's the read deal.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1800 Jun 29, 2013
Sorry Jake, wrong link. Here's the right one.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

I just don't know who to believe at this point. I'm confused.
Youssuf

Tunisia

#1801 Jun 29, 2013
Shamma wrote:
Who is Christ Indeed?
Yousssuck.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1802 Jun 29, 2013
bmz wrote:
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According to Christianity, Jesus claimed to be God. Right?
That makes him a great sinner.
That is an unpardonable sin. Jesus will not be forgiven for that.
Why? What sin did he make? If it was nothing but the will of God acting through him, then where is the sin? We are the people that do not have the will of God acting through us and therefore we are the sinners. We THINK it is the will of God acting through us, but this is an illusion. It is nothing but our own will acting so that we can get something in our own personal interest called "reward", and then we tell ourselves that we are acting in God's interests when we actually are acting in our own. This might have been the 10th time that I have repeated this and everybody just acts like they don't see it because everybody wants to think that they are good people acting in God's interests when they are actually acting in their own. We are NOT good people, and this is why Jesus said, only the Father is good. But nobody gets it because we are hypnotized to think that our good actions are for God, when they are actually for ourselves so that we can gain our selfish little reward. Until anybody sees through their own motives and selfishness, there can be no truly good acts.

A great Sufi saying:

"A saint is one until he or she knows it"

When you are conscious of your good deeds and the reward it is supposed to give you, then you have already patted yourself on the back and have given yourself your own reward. And your reward shall be you own. Not God's.

Matthew 6:3
But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

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