Jesus is not God
bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#1595 Jun 17, 2013
Seeker wrote:
So what do you think the wisest teaching of Jesus is and where would you get that from?
Through Qur'aan, the wisest teaching of Jesus to his fellow Jews, were:

3:51 "It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is the straight Way."

5:72 "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help."

And we found that he had passed the same message, which is present in the Christian Bible but that is ignored:

"Worship the LORD your God with all your hearts, all your minds and all your souls." What can be wiser than this?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1596 Jun 17, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
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Seeker:
I am a Muslim and I revere Jesus from the bottom of my heart. I look at Christ from inside and I know that is the only way to understand him. I make every honest effort to understand his teachings and to experience him not as the loudest Christians but as an enlightened and sensitive human being. He gave so much sacrifices and suffered so much pain to teach us how to forgive and love one another.
Where do you get these ideas from? The Quran? The Quran gave Jesus a few nice compliments and a 16 gun salute before it proceeded to bury him and his teachings by leveling the charge of corruption against the Gospels. And Muhammad contradicted the teachings of Jesus in many ways. Maybe this is why the Quran never repeated any of his teachings or even referenced them at all. And yet it was seeking to complete the religion? Hardly. The Quran seeks to tear down Christianity and bury it, not complete it. The most important thing that Jesus did, according to what the Gospels say, was to die for sins. And Muhammad sought to nullify the most important thing that Jesus did, and his real mission. And he even came up with a bizarre, nonsensical explanation about the Crucifixion that is extremely problematic.
Mujahid wrote:
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It is very important that every human being, whether Christian or Non-Christian (Jews), agnostic or athiest in this short span of life, should make a small investment to understand his message that contributed so richly to our civilization
I don't see where it has contributed to Arab or even Muslim civilization.
Mujahid wrote:
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and gave such profound insight o human nature and destiny.
"A new commandment I give to you, that you have one another, as I have loved you, that you also have one another.
Would you like me to show you all of the verses from the Quran that contradict that?
Mujahid wrote:
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I am sorry to say that Jews and Christians have ganged up to spread hatred against the Muslims, displaced about 3 million Palestinians from their homes
Maybe they wouldn't have been displaced in Israel was not attacked by all of it's neighbors the first day they declared it a Jewish state. They were told to leave by the attacking armies and were told they could return after they won. Well, they didn't. And what is Israel supposed to do, let people back in who are their enemies? There were Arabs who stayed instead of leaving and they are still there today.
Mujahid wrote:
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and still continue to terrorize them,
Yes, those poor poor Palestinians who do nothing but knit sweaters and the big bad guy attacks them just for fun. Are you kidding me? And I'll never forget 911. Even the Iranians held candlelight vigils while the Palestinians danced and celebrated in the streets.
Mujahid wrote:
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Good hearted Jews and Christians should forward and help in the name of Jesus and Moses.
This is the wisdom of Christ, this is the essence of his gospel- that we love one another.
It's a shame we can't find that in the Quran. If we could, perhaps people wouldn't be having so many problems with Muslims all around the world. Sure it says to love fellow Muslims. But non Muslims? Hardly.

Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1597 Jun 17, 2013
bmz wrote:
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Through Qur'aan, the wisest teaching of Jesus to his fellow Jews, were:
3:51 "It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is the straight Way."
There's no depth to that at all. That's you favorite teaching? What about let he who is without sin cast the first stone? What about this?

Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

The Quran clearly says the opposite of this.
Mujahid

Fort Worth, TX

#1598 Jun 17, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Where do you get these ideas from? The Quran? The Quran gave Jesus a few nice compliments and a 16 gun salute before it proceeded to bury him and his teachings by leveling the charge of corruption against the Gospels. And Muhammad contradicted the teachings of Jesus in many ways. Maybe this is why the Quran never repeated any of his teachings or even referenced them at all. And yet it was seeking to complete the religion? Hardly. The Quran seeks to tear down Christianity and bury it, not complete it. The most important thing that Jesus did, according to what the Gospels say, was to die for sins. And Muhammad sought to nullify the most important thing that Jesus did, and his real mission. And he even came up with a bizarre, nonsensical explanation about the Crucifixion that is extremely problematic.
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I don't see where it has contributed to Arab or even Muslim civilization.
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Would you like me to show you all of the verses from the Quran that contradict that?
<quoted text>
Maybe they wouldn't have been displaced in Israel was not attacked by all of it's neighbors the first day they declared it a Jewish state. They were told to leave by the attacking armies and were told they could return after they won. Well, they didn't. And what is Israel supposed to do, let people back in who are their enemies? There were Arabs who stayed instead of leaving and they are still there today.
<quoted text>
Yes, those poor poor Palestinians who do nothing but knit sweaters and the big bad guy attacks them just for fun. Are you kidding me? And I'll never forget 911. Even the Iranians held candlelight vigils while the Palestinians danced and celebrated in the streets.
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It's a shame we can't find that in the Quran. If we could, perhaps people wouldn't be having so many problems with Muslims all around the world. Sure it says to love fellow Muslims. But non Muslims? Hardly.
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
There is a tremendous amount of neurotic hate that you have against Islam and Muslims and I am afraid that it has shut your brain to accept the Truth.
Mujahid

Fort Worth, TX

#1599 Jun 17, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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There's no depth to that at all. That's you favorite teaching? What about let he who is without sin cast the first stone? What about this?
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
The Quran clearly says the opposite of this.
Seeker: Seek the Truth.
Please read the following as shown below. I hope it removes your ill-conceived notions about Islam.

http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophe...



http://www.youtube.com/watch...

CHAPTER 2: JESUS IN THE QURAN

CHRISTIANS UNAWARE

The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith- the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Hazrat Eesa (meaning revered Jesus) or Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e.(Jesus peace be upon him).

Every time the Muslim mentions the name Jesus (pbuh) without these words of respect, he would be considered disrespectful, uncouth or barbaric. The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times (5x) more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God. To be exact - twenty five time as against five. For example:

"..WE GAVE JESUS THE SON OF MARY CLEAR SIGNS AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"

HOLY QURAN 2:87
"..O MARY! GOD GIVETH THEE GLAD TIDINGS OF A WORD FROM HIM: HIS NAME WILL BE CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF MARY.."

HOLY QURAN 3:45
"..CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY WAS (NO MORE THAN) AN APOSTLE OF GOD.."

HOLY QURAN 4:171
"..AND IN THEIR (the previous Prophets') FOOTSTEPS WE SENT JESUS THE SON OF MARY.."

HOLY QURAN 5:49
"AND ZAKARIYA AND JOHN, AND JESUS AND ELIAS: ALL IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS:"

HOLY QURAN 6:85
JESUS - HIS TITLES

Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as:"Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary;as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah;"Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.

He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honour spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honours this mighty Messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.

"EESA" LATINISED TO JESUS

The Holy Quran refers to Jesus as "Eesa", and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian"1 name. Actually, his proper name was "Eesa" (Arabic), or "Esau".(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua", which the Christian nations of the West Latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages. The word is very simply - "E S A U" - a very common Jewish name, used more than sixty times in the very first booklet aloneof the Bible, in the part called "Genesis". There was at least one "Jesus" sitting on the "bench" at the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin.
Mujahid

Fort Worth, TX

#1600 Jun 17, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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There's no depth to that at all. That's you favorite teaching? What about let he who is without sin cast the first stone? What about this?
Matthew 5
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
The Quran clearly says the opposite of this.
Seeker: Seek the Truth



http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophe...

CHAPTER 2: JESUS IN THE QURAN

CHRISTIANS UNAWARE

The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith- the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Hazrat Eesa (meaning revered Jesus) or Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e.(Jesus peace be upon him).

Every time the Muslim mentions the name Jesus (pbuh) without these words of respect, he would be considered disrespectful, uncouth or barbaric. The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times (5x) more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God. To be exact - twenty five time as against five. For example:

"..WE GAVE JESUS THE SON OF MARY CLEAR SIGNS AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"

HOLY QURAN 2:87
"..O MARY! GOD GIVETH THEE GLAD TIDINGS OF A WORD FROM HIM: HIS NAME WILL BE CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF MARY.."

HOLY QURAN 3:45
"..CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY WAS (NO MORE THAN) AN APOSTLE OF GOD.."

HOLY QURAN 4:171
"..AND IN THEIR (the previous Prophets') FOOTSTEPS WE SENT JESUS THE SON OF MARY.."

HOLY QURAN 5:49
"AND ZAKARIYA AND JOHN, AND JESUS AND ELIAS: ALL IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS:"

HOLY QURAN 6:85
JESUS - HIS TITLES

Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as:"Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary;as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah;"Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.

He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honour spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honours this mighty Messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.

"EESA" LATINISED TO JESUS

The Holy Quran refers to Jesus as "Eesa", and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian"1 name. Actually, his proper name was "Eesa" (Arabic), or "Esau".(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua", which the Christian nations of the West Latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages.
Shamma

Bethlehem, PA

#1601 Jun 17, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker: Seek the Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yyOBvyF_0HIXX
http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophe...
CHAPTER 2: JESUS IN THE QURAN
CHRISTIANS UNAWARE
The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith- the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Hazrat Eesa (meaning revered Jesus) or Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e.(Jesus peace be upon him).
Every time the Muslim mentions the name Jesus (pbuh) without these words of respect, he would be considered disrespectful, uncouth or barbaric. The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times (5x) more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God. To be exact - twenty five time as against five. For example:
"..WE GAVE JESUS THE SON OF MARY CLEAR SIGNS AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"
HOLY QURAN 2:87
"..O MARY! GOD GIVETH THEE GLAD TIDINGS OF A WORD FROM HIM: HIS NAME WILL BE CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF MARY.."
HOLY QURAN 3:45
"..CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY WAS (NO MORE THAN) AN APOSTLE OF GOD.."
HOLY QURAN 4:171
"..AND IN THEIR (the previous Prophets') FOOTSTEPS WE SENT JESUS THE SON OF MARY.."
HOLY QURAN 5:49
"AND ZAKARIYA AND JOHN, AND JESUS AND ELIAS: ALL IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS:"
HOLY QURAN 6:85
JESUS - HIS TITLES
Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as:"Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary;as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah;"Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.
He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honour spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honours this mighty Messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.
"EESA" LATINISED TO JESUS
The Holy Quran refers to Jesus as "Eesa", and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian"1 name. Actually, his proper name was "Eesa" (Arabic), or "Esau".(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua", which the Christian nations of the West Latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages.
Your reasoning is not based on the Holy Scriptures.
From this Scripture can you tell me who the redeemer is that The Lord, the King of Israel is talking about.

Isaiah 44:6
New King James Version (NKJV)
There Is No Other God

6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.

When you read that scripture the Lord used the word "and"
signifying two persons.

So who is the Lords redeemer?
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1603 Jun 18, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a tremendous amount of neurotic hate that you have against Islam and Muslims and I am afraid that it has shut your brain to accept the Truth.
Just tell me what was untrue about what I said and explain why it is untrue. I don't think my brain is shut at all. It's wide open. I read the entire Quran with an objective eye, and the errors just jumped right off the page at me. The only way to not see them is to assume that the Quran comes from God before one has ever even read it. So perhaps it is your brain that is shut to accept the truth.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1604 Jun 18, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker: Seek the Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yyOBvyF_0HIXX
http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophe...
CHAPTER 2: JESUS IN THE QURAN
CHRISTIANS UNAWARE
The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith- the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Hazrat Eesa (meaning revered Jesus) or Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e.(Jesus peace be upon him).
Every time the Muslim mentions the name Jesus (pbuh) without these words of respect, he would be considered disrespectful, uncouth or barbaric. The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times (5x) more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God. To be exact - twenty five time as against five. For example:
"..WE GAVE JESUS THE SON OF MARY CLEAR SIGNS AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"
HOLY QURAN 2:87
"..O MARY! GOD GIVETH THEE GLAD TIDINGS OF A WORD FROM HIM: HIS NAME WILL BE CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF MARY.."
HOLY QURAN 3:45
"..CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY WAS (NO MORE THAN) AN APOSTLE OF GOD.."
HOLY QURAN 4:171
"..AND IN THEIR (the previous Prophets') FOOTSTEPS WE SENT JESUS THE SON OF MARY.."
HOLY QURAN 5:49
"AND ZAKARIYA AND JOHN, AND JESUS AND ELIAS: ALL IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS:"
HOLY QURAN 6:85
JESUS - HIS TITLES
Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as:"Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary;as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah;"Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.
He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honour spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honours this mighty Messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.
"EESA" LATINISED TO JESUS
The Holy Quran refers to Jesus as "Eesa", and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian"1 name. Actually, his proper name was "Eesa" (Arabic), or "Esau".(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua", which the Christian nations of the West Latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages.
This is just lip service paid to Jesus. But in reality, the Quran contradicts many teachings of Jesus and none of his main teachings were referenced in the Quran. It just gives him titles of honor, but it actually doesn't really honor him at all and contradicts many of his teachings and seeks to nullify the most important part of Jesus' mission. So it's all phony reverence. Anybody can just try to call him nice things, but that really means nothing. They are all hollow statements.

And, the Quran goes out of it's way to make sure it calls him Son of Mary. It invents things about him to suit Muhammad's needs. After all, if Jesus is like Christians say, then how could Muhammad possibly follow up on an act like that? So he had to change Jesus. Here's an example.

5:112
"When the disciples said: O Isa son of Marium! will your Lord consent to send down to us food from heaven? He said: Be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers.

Here, it is quoting what the disciples are "supposed" to have said. Now why aren't they just calling him Jesus, or Teacher or even Master or Lord? Instead, son of Mary is conspicuously there. They wouldn't bother to say son of Mary in a conversation. But the Quran puts that in there to make sure it says he is not the Son of God. Invented quote. Scam.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#1605 Jun 18, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a tremendous amount of neurotic hate that you have against Islam and Muslims and I am afraid that it has shut your brain to accept the Truth.
SalaamZ & Salutations M. L M A O ! Like the crucifixion, you nail'd tweekr on that one! Dont forget to add narcisistic-tendencies to tweekrs hatemongering.LOL! CheerZ
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1606 Jun 18, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>SalaamZ & Salutations M. L M A O ! Like the crucifixion, you nail'd tweekr on that one!
What post number was that? I must have missed it.
Mujahid

Fort Worth, TX

#1607 Jun 18, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Do you believe that the Judaism is the only true religion accepted by God?
Judaism could have been the truest religion, if the Jews did not start worshipping a calf of gold, when Moses went to see God.
They were busy in fornification and all other kinds of immoral things.

Then God sent Jesus to help mankind. And then finally came our Beloved Prophet Mohammad, who continued the Message of Moses and Jesus.
The orignal Torah and the Bible were destroyed. Their newer versions were hand written by other holy men, not God.
The Quran is still in its orignal form and was memorized by the Muslims so it is not lost like the orignal Torah and Bible.
So, please read the Quran with an open mind and heart as if the Message of Quran reflects the contents of the orignal Torah and Bible. Read without any prejudice or hate. It is a Book of great spiritual wealth, guidance and it prepares you for life hereafter.
Please !
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1608 Jun 18, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Judaism could have been the truest religion, if the Jews did not start worshipping a calf of gold, when Moses went to see God.
They were busy in fornification and all other kinds of immoral things.
But they stopped doing that. And the descendants of Ishmael were pagans for a very long time. Even after Islam, Muhammad incorporated traditions from their pagan religions such as reverence for the Kaaba and the Black Stone and belief in jinns. Those were all pagan beliefs of the people in Mecca during the time of Muhammad before Islam. Hasn't anybody ever told you that?

And, did you notice that while Muhammad referenced past scriptures and prophets who were descendants of Isaac, he never referenced any scriptures or descendants of Ishmael? That's because there were no scriptures from them, so he had to borrow the scriptures from the descendants of Isaac, and hijack them to use these as a basis for the new religion he was creating for the Arabs. Think about it.
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
The orignal Torah and the Bible were destroyed. Their newer versions were hand written by other holy men, not God.
There was never any such thing as an original "Gospel According to Jesus", and that's why nobody ever tried to forge one. All of the Gospels were named the Gospel According to (person's name), and they were only meant to retell the story of what happened. Jesus never mentioned anything at all about bringing any book at all. His mission was to doe and be resurrected, not to being a book. Muhammad just didn't understand what the Gospels were supposed to be, so he made up a story of a lost original book to make Jesus' mission look like his, since he wasn't going to be doing any miracles because he knew that he couldn't.
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
The Quran is still in its orignal form and was memorized by the Muslims so it is not lost like the orignal Torah and Bible.
There were actually multiple varying copies of the Quran and the 4th caliphate Uthman decided which version would be the correct one and he poured hot oil over all other varying copies that could be found. Hasn't anybody ever told you this?
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
So, please read the Quran with an open mind and heart as if the Message of Quran reflects the contents of the orignal Torah and Bible. Read without any prejudice or hate. It is a Book of great spiritual wealth, guidance and it prepares you for life hereafter.
Please !
That's why Muhammad had to say that the originals got lost or corrupted because he knew that the Quran did not sound like the Jewish and Christian scriptures at all, and it even contradicts them in many places. So the excuse made up is that the originals sounded like the Quran but they got lost.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1609 Jun 18, 2013
Mujahid wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeker: Seek the Truth.
Please read the following as shown below. I hope it removes your ill-conceived notions about Islam.
http://www.islam101.com/history/people/prophe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yyOBvyF_0HIXX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
CHAPTER 2: JESUS IN THE QURAN
CHRISTIANS UNAWARE
The Christian does not know that the true spirit of charity which the Muslim displays, always, towards Jesus and his mother Mary spring from the fountainhead of his faith- the Holy Quran. He does not know that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Hazrat Eesa (meaning revered Jesus) or Eesa alai-hiss-salaam i.e.(Jesus peace be upon him).
Every time the Muslim mentions the name Jesus (pbuh) without these words of respect, he would be considered disrespectful, uncouth or barbaric. The Christian does not know that in the Holy Quran Jesus (pbuh) is mentioned by name five times (5x) more than the number of times the prophet of Islam is mentioned in the Book of God. To be exact - twenty five time as against five. For example:
"..WE GAVE JESUS THE SON OF MARY CLEAR SIGNS AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT"
HOLY QURAN 2:87
"..O MARY! GOD GIVETH THEE GLAD TIDINGS OF A WORD FROM HIM: HIS NAME WILL BE CHRIST JESUS, THE SON OF MARY.."
HOLY QURAN 3:45
"..CHRIST JESUS THE SON OF MARY WAS (NO MORE THAN) AN APOSTLE OF GOD.."
HOLY QURAN 4:171
"..AND IN THEIR (the previous Prophets') FOOTSTEPS WE SENT JESUS THE SON OF MARY.."
HOLY QURAN 5:49
"AND ZAKARIYA AND JOHN, AND JESUS AND ELIAS: ALL IN THE RANKS OF THE RIGHTEOUS:"
HOLY QURAN 6:85
JESUS - HIS TITLES
Though Jesus is mentioned by name in twenty-five places in the Holy Quran he is also addressed with respect as:"Ibne Maryam" - son of Mary;as Masi (Heb) Messiah - translated as Christ; "Abd-ullah" servant of Allah;"Rasul -Ullah" - Messenger of Allah.
He is spoken of as "the word of God", as "the spirit of God", as a "Sign of God", and numerous other epithets of honour spread over fifteen different chapters. The Holy Quran honours this mighty Messenger of God, and the Muslims have not fallen short over the past fourteen hundred years in doing the same. There is not a single disparaging remark in the entire Quran to which even the most jaundiced among the Christians can take exception.
"EESA" LATINISED TO JESUS
The Holy Quran refers to Jesus as "Eesa", and this name is used more times than any other title, because this was his "Christian"1 name. Actually, his proper name was "Eesa" (Arabic), or "Esau".(Hebrew); classical "Yeheshua", which the Christian nations of the West Latinised as Jesus. Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages. The word is very simply - "E S A U" - a very common Jewish name, used more than sixty times in the very first booklet aloneof the Bible, in the part called "Genesis". There was at least one "Jesus" sitting on the "bench" at the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin.
Who cares about language translation differences? A name isn't important anyway, it's what Jesus did and said that is important. It's the wisdom in his words that is important. A wisdom that I simply could not find in the entire Quran. I actually might even be more educated on Islam than you are. I've read the entire Quran, IBN Kathir tafsir for the Quran and many hadiths for myself. There's nothing you are going to tell me that I am not already aware of.
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#1610 Jun 18, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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Who cares about language translation differences? A name isn't important anyway, it's what Jesus did and said that is important. It's the wisdom in his words that is important. A wisdom that I simply could not find in the entire Quran. I actually might even be more educated on Islam than you are. I've read the entire Quran, IBN Kathir tafsir for the Quran and many hadiths for myself. There's nothing you are going to tell me that I am not already aware of.
SalaamZ Tweekr.LOL! evidently your studies of the Holy-Qur'An didnt take,just as your scholarly-knowledge of Islaam Didnt take either. Perhaps some time spent in meditation and prayer over what the real scholars have posted here for you would net you better results.However,since you,re just another islamophobe and muslim hater its plain that facts will never sway you towards the truth even when its in your face!LOL! May ALLAH multiply the darknesses within you. CheerZ Arnold-Ibn-Garamba-Ibn-Godseer -ibn-Jeffwhite-Ibn-Jinn Martini-Ibn-tranny.LOL!

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#1611 Jun 18, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>SalaamZ Tweekr.LOL! evidently your studies of the Holy-Qur'An didnt take,just as your scholarly-knowledge of Islaam Didnt take either. Perhaps some time spent in meditation and prayer over what the real scholars have posted here for you would net you better results.However,since you,re just another islamophobe and muslim hater its plain that facts will never sway you towards the truth even when its in your face!LOL! May ALLAH multiply the darknesses within you. CheerZ Arnold-Ibn-Garamba-Ibn-Godseer -ibn-Jeffwhite-Ibn-Jinn Martini-Ibn-tranny.LOL!
Your wisdom is without guidance from the Holy Spirit of God.
The Quran teaches you to be a Muslim a follower of Muhammad, and live the sinful life of Muhammad.
Praying to your Allah is like praying to Muhammad as being God, of which is blasphemy.
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1612 Jun 18, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>SalaamZ Tweekr.LOL! evidently your studies of the Holy-Qur'An didnt take,just as your scholarly-knowledge of Islaam Didnt take either.
After all of the uneducated mistakes you have made here, how could you possibly talk about studies at all?
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#1614 Jun 19, 2013
Seeker wrote:
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After all of the uneducated mistakes you have made here, how could you possibly talk about studies at all?
SalaamZ multiplePersonalityDisorder.LO L! Its simple really,I just see the arrogance in your posts and comment upon them. CheerZ
Rabbeen Al Jihad

Salt Lake City, UT

#1615 Jun 19, 2013
Shamma wrote:
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Your wisdom is without guidance from the Holy Spirit of God.
The Quran teaches you to be a Muslim a follower of Muhammad, and live the sinful life of Muhammad.
Praying to your Allah is like praying to Muhammad as being God, of which is blasphemy.
SalaamZ shaMMY! Oh Contrare' Your slander upon my wisdom is without basis.A) There is NO person in this entire world in need of guidance from some pretend-Ghost when we all have better sources of guidance.B) if thats all you gleen from the Holy-Qur'An then it is you who are in error.C) anyone who prays to God is doing just that! no more...no less,and muhammad(pbuh) has very little to do with the act!LOL! Blasphemy!? perhaps you need to breakout your dictionary and review the term. CheerZ
Seeker

Lowell, MA

#1616 Jun 19, 2013
Rabbeen Al Jihad wrote:
<quoted text>SalaamZ multiplePersonalityDisorder.LO L! Its simple really,I just see the arrogance in your posts and comment upon them. CheerZ
Well, whether you think I am arrogant or not, I will bet that I have studied more about Islam than you have. I have had to tell you things about it and even correct some mistakes that you have made about Islamic beliefs. That's not my fault, that's yours.

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