Jesus is not God
bmz

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#1229 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Paul was converted by Jesus Himself to preach the Gospels to the Gentiles.

Paul briefly refers to his own conversion experience in only four places in but two of his Letters. In 1 Corinthians 9:1, Paul asks an emphatic question, "Have I not seen Jesus our Lord" Later in the letter, Paul is describing the Gospel teaching that Jesus died for our sins, was raised on the third day, and began appearing to the Apostles; in 1 Corinthians 15:8-9, he relates, "Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the Apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

He writes in Galatians 1:11-12 that "the Gospel preached by me is not of human origin. For I did not receive it from a human being, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ." He adds in Galatians 1:15-16, "When he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles." 5
That is Bull Shit and there is nobody else to testify for him.

Forget that Horse Shit and show me the Praise of the LORD God Almighty by Jesus, if any.

I do not see Jesus praising and glorifying God Almighty. Self-praise is no praise.
polo

London, UK

#1230 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Paul was converted by Jesus Himself to preach the Gospels to the Gentiles.
Paul briefly refers to his own conversion experience in only four places in but two of his Letters. In 1 Corinthians 9:1, Paul asks an emphatic question, "Have I not seen Jesus our Lord" Later in the letter, Paul is describing the Gospel teaching that Jesus died for our sins, was raised on the third day, and began appearing to the Apostles; in 1 Corinthians 15:8-9, he relates, "Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the Apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."
He writes in Galatians 1:11-12 that "the Gospel preached by me is not of human origin. For I did not receive it from a human being, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ." He adds in Galatians 1:15-16, "When he who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles." 5
Why Liying Shamma
Paul Was A Self Appointed Apostle. Jesus Has Never Even Seen him.
I said Before You Do Not Even Know Your Own Bible How Can You Know The Quran?

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#1231 May 12, 2013
polo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why Liying Shamma
Paul Was A Self Appointed Apostle. Jesus Has Never Even Seen him.
I said Before You Do Not Even Know Your Own Bible How Can You Know The Quran?
You are a dumb ass Muslim.
Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

LMAO! you are dumb ass Muslim.
Muhammad was the one that appointed himself a prophet from the advice of his first wife.

Khadijah, the first wife of Mohammed, came from a family of prominent occult leaders. Among them we mentioned Ruchieh, a Kahineh of Jinn-devils at Mecca. Ruchieh was the sister of Waraqa bin Naufal,[xxvii][27] the Ebionite occult priest who was the cousin of Khadijah. Waraqa, was a leading figure in the Ahnaf. He used to make Tahnuf, which meant he spent time in the caves of Harra', separating himself from the rest of society for months at a time.(Such practices were common among heretics, as we learn from the early Christian fathers.[xxviii][28]), and were known among leaders of occult sects. Khadijah used to make Tahnuf at the same caves.

Waraqa was the one who convinced Mohammed to be a prophet. After returning home from the cave of Harra', where he often went, Mohammed was frightened. He told his wife that a spirit claiming to be Gabriel appeared to him and choked him three times. Mohammed was convinced after this encounter that he had a devil inside him. But Khadijah insisted that Mohammed become a prophet of Allah.

It’s interesting to note that when angels appeared in the Bible, they never threatened anyone or imposed the prophetic role upon him.

You are a dumb ass Muslim.
You follow the jinn devil prophet Muhammad.

Shame, shame, shame on you Apolo.
You are dumb ass Muslim on your way to the fires of hell.
bmz

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#1232 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are a dumb ass Muslim.
Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
LMAO! you are dumb ass Muslim.
Muhammad was the one that appointed himself a prophet from the advice of his first wife.
Khadijah, the first wife of Mohammed, came from a family of prominent occult leaders. Among them we mentioned Ruchieh, a Kahineh of Jinn-devils at Mecca. Ruchieh was the sister of Waraqa bin Naufal,[xxvii][27] the Ebionite occult priest who was the cousin of Khadijah. Waraqa, was a leading figure in the Ahnaf. He used to make Tahnuf, which meant he spent time in the caves of Harra', separating himself from the rest of society for months at a time.(Such practices were common among heretics, as we learn from the early Christian fathers.[xxviii][28]), and were known among leaders of occult sects. Khadijah used to make Tahnuf at the same caves.
Waraqa was the one who convinced Mohammed to be a prophet. After returning home from the cave of Harra', where he often went, Mohammed was frightened. He told his wife that a spirit claiming to be Gabriel appeared to him and choked him three times. Mohammed was convinced after this encounter that he had a devil inside him. But Khadijah insisted that Mohammed become a prophet of Allah.
It’s interesting to note that when angels appeared in the Bible, they never threatened anyone or imposed the prophetic role upon him.
You are a dumb ass Muslim.
You follow the jinn devil prophet Muhammad.
Shame, shame, shame on you Apolo.
You are dumb ass Muslim on your way to the fires of hell.
Waraqa was a Christian. He was a follower of Jesus, the High Priest of the Demons.
polo

London, UK

#1233 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are a dumb ass Muslim.
Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
LMAO! you are dumb ass Muslim.
Muhammad was the one that appointed himself a prophet from the advice of his first wife.
Khadijah, the first wife of Mohammed, came from a family of prominent occult leaders. Among them we mentioned Ruchieh, a Kahineh of Jinn-devils at Mecca. Ruchieh was the sister of Waraqa bin Naufal,[xxvii][27] the Ebionite occult priest who was the cousin of Khadijah. Waraqa, was a leading figure in the Ahnaf. He used to make Tahnuf, which meant he spent time in the caves of Harra', separating himself from the rest of society for months at a time.(Such practices were common among heretics, as we learn from the early Christian fathers.[xxviii][28]), and were known among leaders of occult sects. Khadijah used to make Tahnuf at the same caves.
Waraqa was the one who convinced Mohammed to be a prophet. After returning home from the cave of Harra', where he often went, Mohammed was frightened. He told his wife that a spirit claiming to be Gabriel appeared to him and choked him three times. Mohammed was convinced after this encounter that he had a devil inside him. But Khadijah insisted that Mohammed become a prophet of Allah.
It’s interesting to note that when angels appeared in the Bible, they never threatened anyone or imposed the prophetic role upon him.
You are a dumb ass Muslim.
You follow the jinn devil prophet Muhammad.
Shame, shame, shame on you Apolo.
You are dumb ass Muslim on your way to the fires of hell.
If You Believe That You Will Believe Any thing.
No Point In talking To You
Because You Are Far Too Too Clever As a Result Makes You The Stupidiest Person On This Planet.
I Told You Distroy All Your seeds

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#1234 May 12, 2013
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Waraqa was a Christian. He was a follower of Jesus, the High Priest of the Demons.
He was an heretic Christian the same as Muhammad's first wife Khadijah.

Christianity forbids sorcery, and casting of spells like Muhammad and his first Khadijah did.
God said sorcery and casting spells is an abomination!
Mohammed descended from a long line of occultic worshipers, which considered the casting of spells and sorcery to be a great privilege, and not a curse and an abomination as the Bible calls it. Deuteronomy chapter 18 prohibits that any one consult mediums of Jinn-devils, as the family of Mohammed was deeply involved with, or cast a spell like what Mohammed used to do and encouraged his relatives to do. In fact we read in Deuteronomy 18:10-14:

There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so.(NASB)

It was the heretic Christian Khadijah, the first wife of Muhammad who convinced Muhammad to be a prophet of Allah the moon god.

After the negative experiences which depressed Mohammed, Khadijah sent him to her cousin, Waraqa, to convince him that Mohammed was called to be a prophet of Allah. Waraqa succeeded in his task and became responsible for most of the Qur’anic verses at the beginning. Waraqa inserted Ebionite doctrines about Jesus in the Qur’an, stating that Jesus was a prophet, and that He was not crucified, but God made someone to resemble Jesus. That one was crucified because the crowd thought he was Jesus. This doctrine was first initiated by Simon, the magician from Samaria, who later founded a heresy which took his name, Simonianism. In reality, Simon created the root for such doctrine, before it was developed by the Gnostics in later times. Here, I present Simon the magician’s idea about Jesus, which Hyppolytus reported in “The Refutation of all heresies”:

Muhammad created a gangster religion.

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#1235 May 12, 2013
polo wrote:
<quoted text>
If You Believe That You Will Believe Any thing.
No Point In talking To You
Because You Are Far Too Too Clever As a Result Makes You The Stupidiest Person On This Planet.
I Told You Distroy All Your seeds
You are too ignorant to care about the truth.
You rather get revenge for some one telling you the truth rather then accept the truth.

Christianity forbids sorcery, and casting of spells like Muhammad and his first Khadijah did.

God said sorcery and casting spells is an abomination!

Mohammed descended from a long line of occultic worshipers, which considered the casting of spells and sorcery to be a great privilege, and not a curse and an abomination as the Bible calls it. Deuteronomy chapter 18 prohibits that any one consult mediums of Jinn-devils, as the family of Mohammed was deeply involved with, or cast a spell like what Mohammed used to do and encouraged his relatives to do. In fact we read in Deuteronomy 18:10-14:
There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so.(NASB)

It was the heretic Christian Khadijah, the first wife of Muhammad who convinced Muhammad to be a prophet of Allah the moon god.

After the negative experiences which depressed Mohammed, Khadijah sent him to her cousin, Waraqa, to convince him that Mohammed was called to be a prophet of Allah. Waraqa succeeded in his task and became responsible for most of the Qur’anic verses at the beginning. Waraqa inserted Ebionite doctrines about Jesus in the Qur’an, stating that Jesus was a prophet, and that He was not crucified, but God made someone to resemble Jesus.

That one was crucified because the crowd thought he was Jesus. This doctrine was first initiated by Simon, the magician from Samaria, who later founded a heresy which took his name, Simonianism. In reality, Simon created the root for such doctrine, before it was developed by the Gnostics in later times. Here, I present Simon the magician’s idea about Jesus, which Hyppolytus reported in “The Refutation of all heresies”:

Muhammad created a gangster religion.
polo

London, UK

#1236 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Paul was converted by Jesus Himself to preach the Gospels to the Gentiles.
Paul briefly refers to his own conversion experience in only four places in but two of his Letters.
The Ebionites: True followers of Jesus who converted to Islam

Burning of heretics' books by Papal mandate
We look today at the Jesus movement in Jerusalem formed by early followers of Christ, and headed by the disciple James. Their understanding of Christianity differed fundamentally from the religion later formulated by Paul, whom they considered to be a false teacher. They had a gospel written in Aramaic which is now lost to us . Modern scholars have described their theology in terms that closely resembles the religion preached by Muhammad (&#1589;).
This group of early Christians, known as The Ebionites (the poor) and sometimes Nazarenes (Some scholars believe the Nazarenes to be a different group from the Ebionites, others maintain they are the same)- were labelled ‘heretics’ and persecuted by the Orthodox church which adopted the teachings and interpretations of their arch rival Paul of Taurus.
According to Biblical scholar Barrie Wilson, the main features of the Ebionite’s theology can be summerised in the following:
1. Jesus was a created human and not divine
2. Jesus was a teacher
3. Jesus was the expected Messiah
4. The Law of the Torah must be observed
5. Theirs was the earliest congregation of followers to Jesus, starting from around 30 AD
Several church fathers described how Ebionites rejected The Divinity of Jesus and The Atoning Death of Jesus. According to those church fathers, the Ebionites emphasized the oneness of God and the humanity of Jesus. They considered Paul an apostate of the law who corrupted Jesus’ message.
Church father Irenaeus, wrote in “Against Heresy”:
Those who are called Ebionites agree that the world was made by God; but their opinions with respect to the Lord are similar to those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They use the Gospel according to Matthew only, and repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law. As to the prophetical writings, they endeavour to expound them in a somewhat singular manner: they practise circumcision, persevere in the observance of those customs which are enjoined by the law, and are so Judaic in their style of life, that they even adore Jerusalem as if it were the house of God.
What is really significant, from the Muslim point of view, is Dr. Barry Wilson suggestion that, the Ebionites survived until the Muslims’ conquest of the Middle East, when they [the Ebionites] were absorbed in Islam.
This can help explain why the Christians of Syria and Egypt were converting to Islam en-mass in the 7th. century AD. It is possible that, people who were in contact with Ebionites or, were Ebionites themselves, recognised as truthful, the revelation of the Quran.
The Quran, with its uncompromising monotheism, its insistence on humanity of Jesus, and rejection of the trinity closely echoed the Ebionites beliefs, and was in complete harmony with what they new about God and Jesus [The only exception is the virgin birth which the Quran confirms and the Ebionites were said -by their opponents -to reject]. They probably recognised Islam as a continuation of the same message of God delivered by Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and the prophets.
Allah describes the reaction of some Christians and Jews in the Quran, chapter 28:
[Quran 28:51] And now verily We have caused the word to reach them, that haply they may give heed.
[28:52] Those unto whom We gave the Scripture before it, they believe in it,
[28:53] And when it is recited unto them, they say: We believe in it. Lo! it is the Truth from our Lord. Lo! even before it we were of those who surrender (unto Him).
[28:54] These will be given their reward twice over, because they are steadfast and repel evil with good, and spend of that wherewith We have provided them,
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polo

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#1237 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>You are a dumb ass Muslim.
Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

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The Ebionites: True followers of Jesus

[28:55] And when they hear vanity they withdraw from it and say: Unto us our works and unto you your works. Peace be unto you! We desire not the ignorant.
There is little doubt that the church in Jerusalem pre-dated the churches established by Paul in Roman cities. There is no doubt that the church members in Jerusalem were the ones who actually saw and heard Jesus directly, unlike Paul, who never met Jesus.
I, therefore, have no doubt that the teachings of the Ebionites on Jesus are closer to the truth.

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#1238 May 12, 2013
polo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ebionites: True followers of Jesus who converted to Islam
Burning of heretics' books by Papal mandate
We look today at the Jesus movement in Jerusalem formed by early followers of Christ, and headed by the disciple James. Their understanding of Christianity differed fundamentally from the religion later formulated by Paul, whom they considered to be a false teacher. They had a gospel written in Aramaic which is now lost to us . Modern scholars have described their theology in terms that closely resembles the religion preached by Muhammad (&#1589;).
This group of early Christians, known as The Ebionites (the poor) and sometimes Nazarenes (Some scholars believe the Nazarenes to be a different group from the Ebionites, others maintain they are the same)- were labelled ‘heretics’ and persecuted by the Orthodox church which adopted the teachings and interpretations of their arch rival Paul of Taurus.
According to Biblical scholar Barrie Wilson, the main features of the Ebionite’s theology can be summerised in the following:
1. Jesus was a created human and not divine
2. Jesus was a teacher
3. Jesus was the expected Messiah
4. The Law of the Torah must be observed
5. Theirs was the earliest congregation of followers to Jesus, starting from around 30 AD
Several church fathers described how Ebionites rejected The Divinity of Jesus and The Atoning Death of Jesus. According to those church fathers, the Ebionites emphasized the oneness of God and the humanity of Jesus. They considered Paul an apostate of the law who corrupted Jesus’ message.
Church father Irenaeus, wrote in “Against Heresy”:
Those who are called Ebionites agree that the world was made by God; but their opinions with respect to the Lord are similar to those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They use the Gospel according to Matthew only, and repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law. As to the prophetical writings, they endeavour to expound them in a somewhat singular manner: they practise circumcision, persevere in the observance of those customs which are enjoined by the law, and are so Judaic in their style of life, that they even adore Jerusalem as if it were the house of God.
What is really significant, from the Muslim point of view, is Dr. Barry Wilson suggestion that, the Ebionites survived until the Muslims’ conquest of the Middle East, when they [the Ebionites] were absorbed in Islam.
This can help explain why the Christians of Syria and Egypt were converting to Islam en-mass in the 7th. century AD. It is possible that, people who were in contact with Ebionites or, were Ebionites themselves, recognised as truthful, the revelation of the Quran.
The Quran, with its uncompromising monotheism, its insistence on humanity of Jesus, and rejection of the trinity closely echoed the Ebionites beliefs, and was in complete harmony with what they new about God and Jesus [The only exception is the virgin birth which the Quran confirms and the Ebionites were said -by their opponents -to reject]. They probably recognised Islam as a continuation of the same message of God delivered by Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and the prophets.
Allah describes the reaction of some Christians and Jews in the Quran, chapter 28:
[Quran 28:51] And now verily We have caused the word to reach them, that haply they may give heed.
[28:52] Those unto whom We gave the Scripture before it, they believe in it,
[28:53] And when it is recited unto them, they say: We believe in it. Lo! it is the Truth from our Lord. Lo! even before it we were of those who surrender (unto Him).
[28:54] These will be given their reward twice over, because they are steadfast and repel evil with good, and spend of that wherewith We have provided them,
Continued Below
I am laughing at your response.
You confirmed what I posted as being true.
The Ebionits were not true Christians of the Churches founded by Jesus and the Apostles.

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#1239 May 12, 2013
polo wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ebionites: True followers of Jesus who converted to Islam
Burning of heretics' books by Papal mandate
We look today at the Jesus movement in Jerusalem formed by early followers of Christ, and headed by the disciple James. Their understanding of Christianity differed fundamentally from the religion later formulated by Paul, whom they considered to be a false teacher. They had a gospel written in Aramaic which is now lost to us . Modern scholars have described their theology in terms that closely resembles the religion preached by Muhammad (&#1589;).
This group of early Christians, known as The Ebionites (the poor) and sometimes Nazarenes (Some scholars believe the Nazarenes to be a different group from the Ebionites, others maintain they are the same)- were labelled ‘heretics’ and persecuted by the Orthodox church which adopted the teachings and interpretations of their arch rival Paul of Taurus.
According to Biblical scholar Barrie Wilson, the main features of the Ebionite’s theology can be summerised in the following:
1. Jesus was a created human and not divine
2. Jesus was a teacher
3. Jesus was the expected Messiah
4. The Law of the Torah must be observed
5. Theirs was the earliest congregation of followers to Jesus, starting from around 30 AD
Several church fathers described how Ebionites rejected The Divinity of Jesus and The Atoning Death of Jesus. According to those church fathers, the Ebionites emphasized the oneness of God and the humanity of Jesus. They considered Paul an apostate of the law who corrupted Jesus’ message.
Church father Irenaeus, wrote in “Against Heresy”:
Those who are called Ebionites agree that the world was made by God; but their opinions with respect to the Lord are similar to those of Cerinthus and Carpocrates. They use the Gospel according to Matthew only, and repudiate the Apostle Paul, maintaining that he was an apostate from the law. As to the prophetical writings, they endeavour to expound them in a somewhat singular manner: they practise circumcision, persevere in the observance of those customs which are enjoined by the law, and are so Judaic in their style of life, that they even adore Jerusalem as if it were the house of God.
What is really significant, from the Muslim point of view, is Dr. Barry Wilson suggestion that, the Ebionites survived until the Muslims’ conquest of the Middle East, when they [the Ebionites] were absorbed in Islam.
This can help explain why the Christians of Syria and Egypt were converting to Islam en-mass in the 7th. century AD. It is possible that, people who were in contact with Ebionites or, were Ebionites themselves, recognised as truthful, the revelation of the Quran.
The Quran, with its uncompromising monotheism, its insistence on humanity of Jesus, and rejection of the trinity closely echoed the Ebionites beliefs, and was in complete harmony with what they new about God and Jesus [The only exception is the virgin birth which the Quran confirms and the Ebionites were said -by their opponents -to reject]. They probably recognised Islam as a continuation of the same message of God delivered by Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and the prophets.
Allah describes the reaction of some Christians and Jews in the Quran, chapter 28:
[Quran 28:51] And now verily We have caused the word to reach them, that haply they may give heed.
[28:52] Those unto whom We gave the Scripture before it, they believe in it,
[28:53] And when it is recited unto them, they say: We believe in it. Lo! it is the Truth from our Lord. Lo! even before it we were of those who surrender (unto Him).
[28:54] These will be given their reward twice over, because they are steadfast and repel evil with good, and spend of that wherewith We have provided them,
Continued Below
I am laughing at your post.
You confirmed what I posted as being true.
The Ebionits are not true Christians of the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

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#1240 May 12, 2013
God made a New Covenant
Jeremiah 31:31-34

In Jeremiah 31:31-34 we stand on one of the greatest mountain peaks in the Old Testament. It is the only reference to a "new covenant" in the Old Testament, and is no doubt the most significant of Jeremiah's sayings. The LORD God will write His law on the heart of the individual. It has been observed by many scholars that this is one of the most important passages in Jeremiah and contains "one of the deepest insights in the whole Old Testament." This passage finds its fulfillment only in the true believer in Jesus Christ and His covenant with sinful man.

A RADICAL CHANGE IS NEEDED
The nation of Israel failed to live up to the terms of the old covenant. It was impossible because of the radical depravity of man. Of course, it was never meant to bring salvation. The only person who ever lived up to the requirements of the law was Jesus Christ. Israel's problem was spiritual. "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked" (Jeremiah 17:9). The new covenant was required because of the sin problem. The context of chapter 31 is the children of Israel playing the blame game. Let's blame our parents for the mess we are in. They sinned and we are suffering. The LORD God declared, "Every one will die for his own iniquity; each man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth will be set on edge" (v. 30).
Sinful, depraved man could not fulfill the divine commandment. However, in the fullness of time God Himself made the ideal life possible through His own provision of the Savior under a new covenant. There was no other solution to the depravity of man. The new covenant does not promise sinlessness, but forgiveness. We are saved sinners. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

CONTRAST THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS
Yahweh guarantees the success of the new covenant. He took the initiative to establish the covenant. In contrast to "thou shalt not," and "thou shalt" are the words, "I will put," "I will write," "I will forgive." Israel couldn't keep the law of the old covenant. The law proved man was helplessly depraved and led him to the Christ. The old covenant proved man was a depraved sinner, guilty in the eyes of a holy God and unable to live up to the demands of the perfect law. The new covenant is a demonstration of God pursuing the guilty sinner until He has found him and ransomed him.
The new covenant is a covenant of sovereign grace. It accomplished what the law and the old covenant could never do. All will know Him, from the least to the greatest. This is not universalism because those who reject His offer of grace will be judged and spend eternity in hell.
The stimulus to keep the new covenant comes from within the person. God places His Spirit within the person through regeneration and the indwelling of His Spirit to enable him to want to keep the covenant. The Holy Spirit writes it upon the heart. Under this covenant people obey because they want to. God has changed the heart. Man is incapable of influencing a positive relationship with a holy God. He can not because he is spiritually dead. It is not the doing of sinful man. God changed the heart of man. "For the love of Christ controls us ... " (2 Corinthians 5:14).
The new covenant is an intimate personal relationship with God.
Every individual must have an experience with God to be included in this covenant (John 3:1-16).
The new covenant will last throughout eternity. This new covenant can not be broken. It is based upon the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is a covenant in His blood which covers all our sins. "I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Salvation for the Jewish person will come only through the new covenant, not through the Mosaic Law. Jesus "came to His own, and His own received Him not" (John 1:11). It was only after the Jewish people rejected Him that the gospel was taken to the Gentiles (Acts 10:15, 34-35; 13:46; 15:7-9).

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#1241 May 12, 2013
Continued:
Muhammad was ignorant of the New Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
The New Covenant
A NEW COVENANT WITH ISRAEL
This new covenant is with Israel and Judah, the whole Jewish people (v. 31). Gentiles, according to the apostle Paul, have been grafted into the vine (Romans 11).

These passages speak of the nation as a whole turning to the Messiah. All Israel, not just a faithful few will see the salvation of the LORD. Isaiah, Jeremiah and the apostle Paul see the final and eternal restoration of Israel (Isaiah 59:20f; Jeremiah 31:33; Romans 11:25, 26).

The new covenant will not be complete until it embraces the people of the old covenant. The apostle stresses that “a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and thus all Israel will be saved”(Romans 11:25b-26a). It is a temporary hardening until the full number of the Gentiles to be saved. The promise God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob cannot be revoked. They are the eternal objects of His love. God has watched over Israel for 5000 years. He is faithful and He cannot break His promises.

Verse 34, tells us that each man will "know the LORD." The word "know" means an accurate first hand personal knowledge from observation. It will not be second hand knowledge, but an intimate personal experience of Yahweh. The word denotes the knowledge of two persons who are totally devoted to one another that affects the mind, emotions and volition.

A COVENANT FOR ALL BELIEVERS
From the prison cell Jeremiah set forth his final burst of song. Assured of the love of God he saw far beyond his prison cell in Jerusalem to the days of God's ultimate victory. Behold, the days are coming when there will be a new spiritual sense of direct relationship to God.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 is an exact description of the covenant under which the true Christian lives. It is the communion and walking in the Holy Spirit as a result of regeneration of the depraved sinner. It depicts the radical change of the sinner and his new relationship to Jesus Christ. Such a believer is abiding in Christ.

"By one offering He has perfected forever them that are sanctified." That is the position of the believer. That is where the relationship begins. Those who believe on Christ are cleansed by His precious blood and are brought into immediate fellowship with Him as a child of God. We live and walk and have our being in His presence. He abides, settles down and makes Himself at home in our hearts. We are living with the "new covenant" relationship and everything depends upon His sovereign grace.

God says He will place His law within the individual and will write it upon the heart. There will be the consciousness within the life of the Divine thought and will and purpose in that moment of reflection. These principles of the new covenant will be upon the heart. They will not be on tables of stone. "I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people" (v. 33).

This is the whole argument of Hebrews 8:6-7. He then quotes these verses from Jeremiah 31 to argue his point. Jesus Christ "has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second." The fault was with the depraved sinners who were incapable of keeping the covenant with God.

How tragic that we still go seeking legalistic laws and regulations by which to live the Christian life. We have a higher standard. The law made nothing perfect. It still doesn't. It can't. Not even in the Christian's life. Only the Holy Spirit can do that by applying the living presence of Christ within us.

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#1242 May 12, 2013
Continued:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
The New Covenant

What is needed is a change in the inner nature so that men are able to obey. God changes the "want to" in the inner man. "I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people" (v. 33). He will write His "law" within them and in their hearts. It will be on their minds and will control their will. Moses' old covenant was written on a slab of stone (Exodus 31:18; 34:28-29; Deuteronomy 4:13; 5:22). What was needed was a change from the inside out in depraved sinful man. Man's sinful rebellious nature demands a radical change that only God can accomplish.
The background of this passage is the Mosaic covenant between Yahweh and Israel at Mt. Sinai (Exodus 19:1-24:11). The LORD is sovereign God of the Covenant with Israel. The condition of the covenant was Israel's obedience to its laws. Obedience would bring blessings. Disobedience would bring chastisement.

CONTRAST THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS
Yahweh guarantees the success of the new covenant. He took the initiative to establish the covenant. In contrast to "thou shalt not," and "thou shalt" are the words, "I will put," "I will write," "I will forgive." Israel couldn't keep the law of the old covenant. The law proved man was helplessly depraved and led him to the Christ. The old covenant proved man was a depraved sinner, guilty in the eyes of a holy God and unable to live up to the demands of the perfect law. The new covenant is a demonstration of God pursuing the guilty sinner until He has found him and ransomed him.
The new covenant is a covenant of sovereign grace. It accomplished what the law and the old covenant could never do. All will know Him, from the least to the greatest. This is not universalism because those who reject His offer of grace will be judged and spend eternity in hell.
The stimulus to keep the new covenant comes from within the person. God places His Spirit within the person through regeneration and the indwelling of His Spirit to enable him to want to keep the covenant. The Holy Spirit writes it upon the heart. Under this covenant people obey because they want to. God has changed the heart. Man is incapable of influencing a positive relationship with a holy God. He can not because he is spiritually dead. It is not the doing of sinful man. God changed the heart of man. "For the love of Christ controls us ... " (2 Corinthians 5:14).
The new covenant is an intimate personal relationship with God. Every individual must have an experience with God to be included in this covenant (John 3:1-16).
The new covenant will last throughout eternity. This new covenant can not be broken. It is based upon the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is a covenant in His blood which covers all our sins. "I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Salvation for the Jewish person will come only through the new covenant, not through the Mosaic Law. Jesus "came to His own, and His own received Him not" (John 1:11). It was only after the Jewish people rejected Him that the gospel was taken to the Gentiles (Acts 10:15, 34-35; 13:46; 15:7-9).


A NEW COVENANT WITH ISRAEL
This new covenant is with Israel and Judah, the whole Jewish people (v. 31). Gentiles, according to the apostle Paul, have been grafted into the vine (Romans 11).

These passages speak of the nation as a whole turning to the Messiah. All Israel, not just a faithful few will see the salvation of the LORD. Isaiah, Jeremiah and the apostle Paul see the final and eternal restoration of Israel (Isaiah 59:20f; Jeremiah 31:33; Romans 11:25, 26).
Eric

Pomona, CA

#1243 May 12, 2013
polo wrote:
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Why Liying Shamma
Paul Was A Self Appointed Apostle. Jesus Has Never Even Seen him.
I said Before You Do Not Even Know Your Own Bible How Can You Know The Quran?
Acts 9:1-5 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Eric

Pomona, CA

#1244 May 12, 2013
Don't even tell me that wasn't really Jesus Christ

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#1245 May 12, 2013
Continued:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
The New Covenant

The new covenant will not be complete until it embraces the people of the old covenant. The apostle stresses that “a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and thus all Israel will be saved”(Romans 11:25b-26a). It is a temporary hardening until the full number of the Gentiles to be saved. The promise God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob cannot be revoked. They are the eternal objects of His love. God has watched over Israel for 5000 years. He is faithful and He cannot break His promises.

Verse 34, tells us that each man will "know the LORD." The word "know" means an accurate first hand personal knowledge from observation. It will not be second hand knowledge, but an intimate personal experience of Yahweh. The word denotes the knowledge of two persons who are totally devoted to one another that affects the mind, emotions and volition.

A COVENANT FOR ALL BELIEVERS
From the prison cell Jeremiah set forth his final burst of song. Assured of the love of God he saw far beyond his prison cell in Jerusalem to the days of God's ultimate victory. Behold, the days are coming when there will be a new spiritual sense of direct relationship to God.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 is an exact description of the covenant under which the true Christian lives. It is the communion and walking in the Holy Spirit as a result of regeneration of the depraved sinner. It depicts the radical change of the sinner and his new relationship to Jesus Christ. Such a believer is abiding in Christ.

"By one offering He has perfected forever them that are sanctified." That is the position of the believer. That is where the relationship begins. Those who believe on Christ are cleansed by His precious blood and are brought into immediate fellowship with Him as a child of God. We live and walk and have our being in His presence. He abides, settles down and makes Himself at home in our hearts. We are living with the "new covenant" relationship and everything depends upon His sovereign grace.

God says He will place His law within the individual and will write it upon the heart. There will be the consciousness within the life of the Divine thought and will and purpose in that moment of reflection. These principles of the new covenant will be upon the heart. They will not be on tables of stone. "I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people" (v. 33).

This is the whole argument of Hebrews 8:6-7. He then quotes these verses from Jeremiah 31 to argue his point. Jesus Christ "has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second." The fault was with the depraved sinners who were incapable of keeping the covenant with God.

How tragic that we still go seeking legalistic laws and regulations by which to live the Christian life. We have a higher standard. The law made nothing perfect. It still doesn't. It can't. Not even in the Christian's life. Only the Holy Spirit can do that by applying the living presence of Christ within us.

The difficulty of our knowing what God would have us to do next at any time in our lives is the measure of our distance in fellowship from God. That is the measure in which we regard iniquity in our heart. The pure in heart see God. That is the condition of knowing Him and walking with Him. When we maintain fellowship with Him we have immediate illumination. The allegory of the vine in John 15:1-11 depicts this living relationship with Christ. This is our responsibility as believers (1 John 1:6-9). The knowledge of God is dependent upon a cleansed heart.

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#1246 May 12, 2013
Continued:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
The New Covenant

The new covenant will be a clear apprehension of the will of God by individual souls, without human meditation. The apprehension of the will of God will be possible through direct and personal knowledge of God on the part of all men. This knowledge will result from putting away of moral defilement. The result will be a clear vision of God.

Jesus said, "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8).

Have you entered into that sweet privilege that is ours as His children? It is in communion of the Holy Spirit, wherein the law of God is written in the heart, interpreted to the individual directly and immediately in the hour of need. God speaks when we are in communion with Him. This great truth can be misapplied and abused. It does not mean to neglect or set aside God's written Word. This only proves those individuals do not know His walk or His final revelation in His written Word, the Bible. The Holy Spirit from the moment spiritual birth takes place puts a hunger for God's Word within the individual, writes it upon the heart, so they will be His people and He our God. It is an inner communion with God.

Have you as a believer asked Christ to reveal Himself within to you? Do you know His real abiding presence in your life? Are there times when His sweet indwelling presence breaks in upon you and He is so real to you that you could reach out and touch Him if it were humanly possible? When He has purged the heart of all known sin and you come into His presence He will reveal Himself to you as you have never known Him before.

This is a description of the covenant under which the Christian lives. It is a description of the communion with the Holy Spirit. The indwelling Spirit interprets His word in the hour of need. I am to expect the Divine voice to break in upon my conscience as I read the Scriptures and pray. It is intimate fellowship, not through intellectual attainment, but direct, immediate, a consciousness which is independent of instruction by man, by meditation, quietness, silence. He waits until we are quiet enough to receive His words that He may make Himself known to us more perfectly. It is based upon His saving grace. Maintained fellowship is the condition for this immediate illumination of Him. The measure in which we regard iniquity in our heart determines our distance from Him in our illumination.

It is to know God personally in a mature, intimate knowledge of Him. It is not to know theology, or an orthodox creed, but to know Him and to abide in His presence and He in you. It is to know Him personally in a first-hand dealing with Him. I am not speaking of a highly ecstatic emotional experience. I am speaking of an intimate relationship with another. "They shall know Me." It is the inheritance of every believer, not a select few. It is a direct, immediate, conscious sense of His living presence. It is to come in the presence of another living person who knows us better than we know ourselves.

Do you know Him personally? We fail to know Him because we do not acquaint ourselves with Him. We do not avail ourselves to Him. We are not willing to sit quietly in His presence with the written Word of God. You can not know Him without spending time in His Word.



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#1247 May 12, 2013
Continued:
Jeremiah 31:31-34
The New Covenant

This is the covenant in which we are to live. Why are we afraid to sit in the quietness and silence and meditate on His great attributes? Why are we so prone to do all the talking instead of silently, actively listening? Then when we are in His presence we long to stay in it and not leave. So why are those occasions so rare? Why aren't we willing to flee there more often since we relish them? When we have an attitude of waiting and listening in His presence He comes. Oh how sweet and peaceful are those precious moments.

God waits until we are quiet enough to receive His word that He may make Himself known to us more perfectly. When we wait upon Him in stillness we find His law written upon the heart and we obey Him.

This is indeed that great New Testament doctrine of the priesthood of the believer.
bmz

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#1248 May 12, 2013
Shamma wrote:
This is indeed that great New Testament doctrine of the priesthood of the believer.
Doctrine of Priesthood?

Another absurd lie. How do you get all this bull shit?

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