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#1043
May 4, 2013
 
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A miracle or two?
Jesus showed more than two. Right? How long did he go? What good were those miracles.
They caused people to chase him around and many believed because of it. Only the arrogant Jewish Authorities didn't. If you are talking about his crucifixion, that's apparently what his real mission was.'Get behind me Satan'. Remember that when he said that to Peter after he objected that he should die? And then, God played a little deceptive party trick on everybody that allowed it to look like he was crucified when he was not? And that little trick led to the largest religion in the world? All that God had to do was to raise him up if that's what he actually wanted to do. God allowed him to do miracles in front of people, so they couldn't witness him being raised up and instead had to believe he was crucified? Where's your common sense?
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#1044
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This is what I call double standards, Seeker.
Double standards? I don't recall saying that the verse about the stars falling was figurative. It wasn't because people could believe that back then. But nobody, even back then, believed that all Kingdoms could be seen from one mountain top. So it was obviously figurative. I don't understand why anybody can't figure this out. It's common sense.
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May 4, 2013
 
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No Christians Do Not Blow themselves But They Drop 1000Tons Of Bombs From The Air I Know They Do A better Job Than The Suicide Bomber. Sucide Bomber Kills 1Or2 But Them They Will Kill 50 to 200 At A Time
Show me were Jesus told them to do that.
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The Same Way The God Of Moses And Jesus Were Ordered To Kill So The Same Way The God Of Muhammad Ordered Him To Do The Same But Him He Did Not Those Who Did not Fight Him
Muhammad fought plenty who did not fight him, but that's a topic of it's own. If you want to start that topic, I'll join in. But as a quick primer, 9:29 does not say that if they find you, kill them, it says kill them and lie in wait in every ambush when YOU find THEM. Does that sound strictly defensive to you?

Here's another good one, Who doesn't want to fight to protect themselves against an aggressor? It's only offensive fighting where someone might not want to bother.

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Fighting is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know.
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#1046
May 4, 2013
 
BTW BMZ, I'm sorry I forgot to mention this, but I am Jinn Martini. Remember me?

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May 5, 2013
 
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Have you ever heard that song from Otis Day and the Nights called "Shamma Lamma Ding Dong"? I'm serious, that's the name of the song. It was in that frat movie movie Animal House.
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May 5, 2013
 
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Banjos playin' through the broken glass.

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May 5, 2013
 
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No Christians Do Not Blow themselves But They Drop 1000Tons Of Bombs From The Air I Know They Do A better Job Than The Suicide Bomber.
First let me say that murder is murder. But perhaps there are different degrees of murder based on the intention. There is a concept called "collateral damage" in war where innocent civilians get killed. Neither side wants that because it makes them look wrong and hurt's their cause, but sometimes it is inevitable and both sides do it. so that is considered an unfortunate reality and when it happens, it's a sloppy job and far from a perfect one.

But there is no such thing as collateral damage in suicide attacks on civilians. Do you know why? Because innocent civilians ARE the INTENDED target, so that's a perfect job in a suicide attack on civilians, where they got their target right.

Again, murder is murder, but do you think it's the same thing when innocents are killed because they ended up in the middle of a gang fight as it is with that Connecticut scum who purposefully grabbed a gun and shot innocent school children? I don't.
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Sucide Bomber Kills 1Or2 But Them They Will Kill 50 to 200 At A Time
Let's face it, if a suicide bomber had the means to kill hundreds or even thousands at a time, they most certainly would, and thank God they don't until Iran or North Korea gives them the means to do that.

The US has the means to turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot. So how come they don't? I could be sure that if jihadists had the means, the US would be a parking lot right now.
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The Same Way The God Of Moses And Jesus Were Ordered To Kill
A very specifically named people at a very specific time in the case of the Old Testament. As far as Jesus goes, I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Maybe I missed something. Can you show me the verses from the New Testament?
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So The Same Way The God Of Muhammad Ordered Him To Do The Same But Him He Did Not Those Who Did not Fight Him
I can prove that to be wrong. Would you like me to?
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#1051
May 5, 2013
 
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I don't find any verse in Qur'aan problematic, because I understand it in Arabic.
You added "as if" to 69:16 when I cant find even one single translator out of at least 20 who added this. But that doesn't make much difference anyway. Who cares if it says it will be weak or it says "as if" it were weak, it still says it will crack open or be torn up. So these are all diversions on your part.

When you mentioned about the stars falling in revelation and I said that I have a problem with that verse as well, what you conveniently ignored was the verse right before it where it says that heaven shall be rolled up as if it were a scroll. You ignored that because that makes a similar error about the sky that the Quran clearly makes. I can't help but to think you clearly saw that verse right before it but had reasons to not mention it. So you aren't exactly being 100% honest in this conversation.
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#1052
May 5, 2013
 
Jesus is wrote:
Polo, you are obeying satan,
who want's Muslims to keep killing "unbelievers" so he gets them before they find God!
You are following satan who tempted "believers" with selfish rewards and earthly pleasures. GOD DOES NOT TEMPT AND GOD DOES NOT WANT SELFISH PEOPLE!!!!!!
POLO, I KNOW BECAUSE I HAD A NEAR-DEATH-EXPERIENCE AND WAS SENT BACK!!!!!!!
There I have warned you, so if you continue then you have willingly disobeyed God and will suffer the consequences!
....all because you want to sit on a throne shading from God's light
This Site Sucks You Can't Learn Or Have an Educational Chat Most of the people on it Are Bias And They Do not see beyond their Nose.

Do You Know How Many People Have the near Death Experience Every Day It Is In The Hundreds Around The World.
You Have To Educate Your self Stop Being Bias. Get The Knowledge Every Where then You Can Compare. You Always Think Your Mum's Food is Better than every ones else Please If You Do Not Taste Food Of Others How Can You Do a Comparison.

It's Not Your Fault Every Body Can't Be Graduates Some Has to be Labourers. All Comes To Education.
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#1053
May 5, 2013
 
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First let me say that murder is murder. But perhaps there are different degrees of murder based on the intention. There is a concept called "collateral damage" in war where innocent civilians get killed. Neither side wants that because it makes them look wrong and hurt's their cause, but sometimes it is inevitable and both sides do it. so that is considered an unfortunate reality and when it happens, it's a sloppy job and far from a perfect one.
But there is no such thing as collateral damage in suicide attacks on civilians. Do you know why? Because innocent civilians ARE the INTENDED target, so that's a perfect job in a suicide attack on civilians, where they got their target right.
Again, murder is murder, but do you think it's the same thing when innocents are killed because they ended up in the middle of a gang fight as it is with that Connecticut scum who purposefully grabbed a gun and shot innocent school children? I don't.
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Let's face it, if a suicide bomber had the means to kill hundreds or even thousands at a time, they most certainly would, and thank God they don't until Iran or North Korea gives them the means to do that.
The US has the means to turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot. So how come they don't? I could be sure that if jihadists had the means, the US would be a parking lot right now.
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A very specifically named people at a very specific time in the case of the Old Testament. As far as Jesus goes, I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Maybe I missed something. Can you show me the verses from the New Testament?
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I can prove that to be wrong. Would you like me to?
"collateral damage" in war

I can't Talk to Some body like You You are too One Sided
From The Time Of Moses They Have Not Change And You Are One Of Them.
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#1054
May 5, 2013
 
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Did you actually bother to read the links to the verses from the Quran that I provided that had 20 or more translations of these two verses that talk about the sky having supports or pillars that we cannot see holding it up? Would you please at least read before you post? Thank you. Why would any mistake in the Bible make the Quran any less mistaken? Who taught you how to reason?
You Need To Educate Yourself
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#1055
May 5, 2013
 
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First let me say that murder is murder. But perhaps there are different degrees of murder based on the intention. There is a concept called "collateral damage" in war where innocent civilians get killed. Neither side wants that because it makes them look wrong and hurt's their cause, but sometimes it is inevitable and both sides do it. so that is considered an unfortunate reality and when it happens, it's a sloppy job and far from a perfect one.
But there is no such thing as collateral damage in suicide attacks on civilians. Do you know why? Because innocent civilians ARE the INTENDED target, so that's a perfect job in a suicide attack on civilians, where they got their target right.
Again, murder is murder, but do you think it's the same thing when innocents are killed because they ended up in the middle of a gang fight as it is with that Connecticut scum who purposefully grabbed a gun and shot innocent school children? I don't.
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Let's face it, if a suicide bomber had the means to kill hundreds or even thousands at a time, they most certainly would, and thank God they don't until Iran or North Korea gives them the means to do that.
The US has the means to turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot. So how come they don't? I could be sure that if jihadists had the means, the US would be a parking lot right now.
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A very specifically named people at a very specific time in the case of the Old Testament. As far as Jesus goes, I have no idea what you are talking about at all. Maybe I missed something. Can you show me the verses from the New Testament?
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I can prove that to be wrong. Would you like me to?
The US has the means to turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot. So how come they don't? I could be sure that if jihadists had the means, the US would be a parking lot right now.

Because You Are Stupid They already Appointed Puppets Over there They do not have to go there.
They will go When Their Puppets Start Saying "No"
You Have to understand Politics Can't You See They have Appointed The Minority To Rule? Why?
The Minority Will Always Need them
You Scratch My Back and I'll Scratch yours Policy.

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#1057
May 5, 2013
 
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This Site Sucks You Can't Learn Or Have an Educational Chat Most of the people on it Are Bias And They Do not see beyond their Nose.
Do You Know How Many People Have the near Death Experience Every Day It Is In The Hundreds Around The World.
You Have To Educate Your self Stop Being Bias. Get The Knowledge Every Where then You Can Compare. You Always Think Your Mum's Food is Better than every ones else Please If You Do Not Taste Food Of Others How Can You Do a Comparison.
It's Not Your Fault Every Body Can't Be Graduates Some Has to be Labourers. All Comes To Education.
You are a dumb bell Muslim.
Your liven the life of Muhammad, you don't have a life of your own.
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#1058
May 5, 2013
 
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The US has the means to turn the entire Middle East into a parking lot. So how come they don't? I could be sure that if jihadists had the means, the US would be a parking lot right now.
Because You Are Stupid They already Appointed Puppets Over there They do not have to go there.
I thought the complaint was that they ARE there. Which is it?
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They will go When Their Puppets Start Saying "No"
They went over there first When Saddam invaded an American ally, Kuwait and massed his troops on the border of Saudi Arabia waiting to go into there as well. America helps it's allies, including Israel. And why are they in Afghanistan? Because they wanted to take over some dirt poor country? Are you kidding me? If they wanted Afghanistan, they could have had it right after the power vacuum that happened after the Soviets left. And when the Taliban took over, the US was blamed for leaving right away to allow for this power vacuum that allowed the Taliban to impose themselves on Afghansitan. And the US didn't even care about the Taliban and they left them alone because they were helping to curb the poppy market (heroin).

So after the US gets attacked after bin Laden even declared war on America in a 1998 television interview with Robert Miller, and people took it lightly and mostly ignored it, the US goes back on and removes the Taliban. They even gave the Taliban the chance to turn bin Laden over and it would have avoided this whole mess, but the Taliban refused. They were wrong when they left and they were wrong when they came back. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The US can never been seen as doing anything right and it's by design by Jihadist propagandists who are only interested in upheaval so that they can create a 7th century style Caliphate. And the US prevents this upheaval, that's why they hate them so bad.
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You Have to understand Politics Can't You See They have Appointed The Minority To Rule? Why?
They didn't appoint anybody, as long as whoever was in power was willing to play ball, they didn't care who it was. Saddam used to be their friend until he started doing effed up things and invaded Kuwait. He was a former assassin and he came to power through a Baath Party Coup. But as long as he was anti Iranian, then the US didn't care until he started threatening and attacking the allies of the US.

The US makes agreements with these countries where if they don't do anything to destabilize the region and be their friend, then they promise that friend that their military will help them if they ever need it. Why do you think Iran would never even think about messing with Saudi Arabia? And the Saudis do indeed consider Iran to be a huge threat to them. They never suspected Saddam would because he was a fellow Sunni, not a Shia. And as we all know, everything is about what religion you are according to Muslims. Why do you think they are all so impractical in that entire region? It's Islam that makes them this way.

The only thing the US did wrong was in Iran where they supported the Shah's coup to take over the government, and they did that because the Soviets were getting much too friendly with the existing government. Everything was always about keeping the very aggressive Soviets in check. That was Korea and Vietnam as well. The Soviets used to arm people to create revolutions, whether the people of that country liked it or not. They were ALWAYS trying everything they could, including violent means, to spread communism because that was the communist doctrine.

It seems to be the Islamic doctrine as well when they have the means to do it. Hopefully, they never will. The Soviets could at least be reasoned with, to some extent, but when you throw religion into the equation, all reasoning goes out the window. This is what makes Muslims even potentially moire dangerous than the Soviet Communists used to be.
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"collateral damage" in war
I can't Talk to Some body like You You are too One Sided
From The Time Of Moses They Have Not Change And You Are One Of Them.
So what you are saying is that if innocent people accidentally find themselves in the line of fire in a gang fight, that is no different than somebody who grabs a gun with the full intention of shooting up school children? Gang members don't WANT to kill innocents, but if they get in the way, then they think their fight is worth it. But I can assure you, they don't celebrate over killing innocents. The worst one could say is that they don't care and their war is more important.

But the school shooter WANTS innocent people to die. Just like the Palestinians. Even the Iranian people held vigils and lit candles over 911. But the Palestinian people were dancing in the streets, just like US Muslims did in Dearborn, Michigan. Even the Israelis don't celebrate in the streets when they launch a brutal reprisal against Hamas or Hezbollah.
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#1060
May 5, 2013
 
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You Need To Educate Yourself
I gave two links to two verses of the Quran with 20 different translations that clearly talk about the sky being held up by pillars or supports that we cannot see, and all you can do is to completely ignore that and tell me I need to educate myself? I'm the one quoting from the Quran, and have no idea where you get your info from.

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May 5, 2013
 
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This Site Sucks You Can't Learn Or Have an Educational Chat Most of the people on it Are Bias And They Do not see beyond their Nose.
Do You Know How Many People Have the near Death Experience Every Day It Is In The Hundreds Around The World.
You Have To Educate Your self Stop Being Bias. Get The Knowledge Every Where then You Can Compare. You Always Think Your Mum's Food is Better than every ones else Please If You Do Not Taste Food Of Others How Can You Do a Comparison.
It's Not Your Fault Every Body Can't Be Graduates Some Has to be Labourers. All Comes To Education.
You are uneducated from the Holy Bible Polo.
At that moment on the cross,the Divine nature of Jesus was emptied out from Jesus and Jesus the man was alone on the cross suffering the pains of sin for you and me.
And Jesus realizing that He alone on the cross was about to die for our sins.
And Jesus uttered these words "My God, why has thou forsaken Me"
And when it was over Jesus said "It is finished, into thy hands I command my Spirit."

Matthew 26:64

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"You have said so," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

The resurrected human body of Jesus remains with the Spirit of Jesus eternally.

Jesus received a glorified body at the resurrection, and we will receive the same type of glorified body at our resurrection so we can live eternally with God in the after life.

John 3:5

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Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

John 6:63

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The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.

(Matthew 28:18-20 RPT) "And after he came, Jesus spoke to them, saying, All authority was given to me in heaven and on earth.
19 Go therefore, make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit:
20 Teaching them to keep all things whatever I commanded you. And behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the age. Amen."

You see Polo it is not just the forgiveness of sins, but being reborn with water and the Spirit of God that gives eternal life.

Our human spirit is a rebellious spirit against God, and God realizes that, and so God has to renew our spirit with his own Holy Spirit in side of us to purify our body and soul so that it is pleasing to God.
We cannot do that on our own.

The Spiritual teaching of God is not in the Quran.
The Spiritual teaching of God comes through Jesus, not by the way of Muhammad.

You will always be a dumb ass Muslim until you come to the realization that it is Jesus that brings to God.
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May 5, 2013
 
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BTW BMZ, I'm sorry I forgot to mention this, but I am Jinn Martini. Remember me?
Thanks for letting me know, JM.

Glad to see you on "Who is Allah" thread, where I write frequently.
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You are uneducated from the Holy Bible Polo.

At that moment on the cross,the Divine nature of Jesus was emptied out from Jesus and Jesus the man was alone on the cross suffering the pains of sin for you and me.

And Jesus realizing that He alone on the cross was about to die for our sins.

And Jesus uttered these words "My God, why has thou forsaken Me"

And when it was over Jesus said "It is finished, into thy hands I command my Spirit."
That is Bull Shit, Shamma. Who was the bull-shitter, who came up with that theory?

The man died for no nobody's sin. That is another bull shit that Jesus died for the sins of all.

I don't know where the hell all that junk and stuff comes from? I don't find Jesus talking about that stuff.

"It's finished" simply means, "It is all gone to waste and down the drain".

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