Question for Muslims

[blue_zinc]

bmz wrote:

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Actually by "Thou shalt not kill", God meant that people should kill only when God told them to kill.
In other words, God's message in the holy Bible was, "Kill when I ask you!"
The best way to understand this will be if one reads the following, which shows a patient Joshua waiting for the order to kill:
"Then Joshua gave the command: "Now, shout! The Lord has given you this city!17 The city and everything in it are to be destroyed as an offering to the Lord.
19 All the silver and gold and things made from bronze and iron belong to the Lord and must be saved for him."
So, the above explains that you kill only when God orders you to. You loot and plunder when God orders you to.
Greedy God goes further:
"Then the Lord said to Joshua, "Don't be afraid or give up. Lead all your fighting men to Ai. I will help you defeat the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land.2 You will do to Ai and its king what you did to Jericho and its king. Only this time you may take all the wealth and keep it for yourselves. Now tell some of your soldiers to set up an ambush behind the city."
God's orders: "The Lord your God will give you the power to win.8 After you take the city, burn it. See to it! You have your orders."
Killing complete: "During the fighting the army of Israel chased the men of Ai into the fields and desert and killed all of them. Then they went back to Ai and killed everyone there.25 All the people of Ai died that day, twelve thousand men and women.26 Joshua had held his spear toward Ai, as a sign to destroy the city, and did not draw it back until all the people of Ai were destroyed.27 The people of Israel kept for themselves the animals and the other things the people of Ai had owned, as the Lord had commanded Joshua to do.
28 Then Joshua burned the city of Ai and made it a pile of ruins. And it is still like that today."
So, the moral of the Commandment is that thou shalt not kill, thou shalt kill only when God tells you. Obey God.
The looting was so excessive that God promised them more in heaven.
Cheers
BMZ

"Thou shalt not kill" is not a diagnosis, like are you passive?

[bmz]

blue_zinc wrote:

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"Thou shalt not kill" is not a diagnosis, like are you passive?

I was just trying to remind the poster what his "God", Jesus did in the past.

Don't get upset when I do this kind of thing to explain to the Christians how absurd are their Scriptures.

Cheers
BMZ

[WTF]

CREEPY PAUL AND HIS VISIONS OF LUCIFER - A HALLOWEEN'S THEME

On the road to Damascus, Lucifer appeared as an angel of light, "I have come to appoint you as my servant" (Acts 26:16)

In the Temple, Paul fell into a trance and there was Lucifer warning him, "Hurry! Get out of here immediately" (22:18)

Night-time alone in prison, Lucifer stood by him, "Take courage" (23:11)

When Paul tried to enter Bithynia, Lucifer wouldn't let him. That night he had a vision of a man begging him, "Come instead to Macedonia and help us" (16:7-9)

[TRUE LOVER]

Native wrote:

Muslims
Could you LIST ALL the prophecies that Muhammed made?
You all claim Muhammed was a PROPHET well Prophets make PROPHECIES in other words they predict the future. Please list the Prophecies that Muhammed made and give sources for these Prophecies so we can go and look them up ourselves
thank you

If ‘Prophecy’, is the test, then Nostradamas’ book should be the best book, to be called‘the word of God’.But its not.Regarding Bible- if there is one unfulfilled prophecy in Bible, the whole Bible is disproved to be the word of God - I can give you a list of unfulfilled prophecies. For example if you read Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says…‘God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.’ Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says…‘Cain built up a city’– unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that…‘Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin… no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.’ If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that…‘Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne’- Unfulfilled prophecy. One is sufficient to prove it is not the word of God - I can give plenty. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that…‘Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.’ We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy. Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of…‘The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.’ They say… the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is ‘amla’, which means not ‘a virgin’-‘a young lady.’ The word for ‘virgin’ in Hebrew is,‘baitula’, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree…‘Virgin’…‘Virgin’- No problem. It says…‘He will be called Immanuel.’ No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy. I can give several, plenty unfulfilled prophecies - One is sufficient to prove the Bible wrong - I have given a few. According to your theory - Bible is not the word of God.

[TRUE LOVER]

Native wrote:

Msdefend
TRUE CHRISTIANS are NOT coming to Islam only people who "claim" to have been christians. The Bible says in the last days MANY WILL BE DECIEVED all your doing is proving the Bible to be TRUE because even so called Christians are falling for the lies of islam.
Muhammed was a FALSE prophet not a prophet to all. Jesus CHRIST was the LAST PROPHET and he was to ALL people once the jews rejected him. There were no new PROPHETS after Jesus since Jesus was a JEW not an ISHMAELITE he qualified as a PROPHET and Muhammed never qualified even JEWS rejected muhammed and to this day they reject him as a prophet. One day you will die and see the lies of islam and muhammed.
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The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that…‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer.And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test.So,plz attempt this test if u r true christian.

Jesus(pbuh) is not the last Prophit.He prophisized the comming of Prophit Muhammad(pbuh).He said in Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

[Native]

True
Jesus is called IMMANUEL
Immanuel means GOD WITH US
If you go to John 1 it says

In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him
Notice in verse 2 it says HE EXISTED IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD now who is this that EXISTED with God in the beginning? Notice how it says GOD CREATED EVERYTHING THROUGH HIM who is the HIM again? It is JESUS CHRIST.
NOW keep reading AGAIN John the Baptist was prophecing of JESUS CHRIST notice in verse 11 it says HE CAME TO HIS OWN PEOPLE (THE JEWS) AND THEY REJECTED HIM.
Now go to verse 14 it says the WORD became HUMAN meaning God became HUMAN THRU JESUS and he made his home among us.
Jesus is IMMANUEL
GOD WITH US.

6 God sent a man, John the Baptist,[c] 7 to tell about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. 8 John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light. 9 The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.

10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. 11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God.
14.So the Word became human[d] and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.[e] And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father’s one and only Son.

TRUE LOVER wrote:

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If ‘Prophecy’, is the test, then Nostradamas’ book should be the best book, to be called‘the word of God’.But its not.Regarding Bible- if there is one unfulfilled prophecy in Bible, the whole Bible is disproved to be the word of God - I can give you a list of unfulfilled prophecies. For example if you read Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says…‘God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.’ Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says…‘Cain built up a city’– unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that…‘Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin… no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.’ If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that…‘Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne’- Unfulfilled prophecy. One is sufficient to prove it is not the word of God - I can give plenty. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that…‘Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.’ We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy. Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of…‘The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.’ They say… the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is ‘amla’, which means not ‘a virgin’-‘a young lady.’ The word for ‘virgin’ in Hebrew is,‘baitula’, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree…‘Virgin’…‘Virgin’- No problem. It says…‘He will be called Immanuel.’ No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy. I can give several, plenty unfulfilled prophecies - One is sufficient to prove the Bible wrong - I have given a few. According to your theory - Bible is not the word of God.

[Native]

TRUE
Do you even read what you write? SPIRIT OF TRUTH is the HOLY SPIRIT NOT muhammed. ITS A SPIRIT that was to come NOT a man.
John 14 proves this
25.I am telling you these things now while I am still with you. 26 But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.

NOW GO TO VERSE 16 AND 17
IT PLANLY SAYS THE WORLD CANNOT RECIEVE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH so this CANNOT be muhammed because everyone that new him recieved him and it also says NEITHER KNOWETH HIM meaning they will NOT know him so again IT CANNOT BE MUHAMMED because people new muhammed.
NOW it says he will dwell IN you. ONLY A SPIRIT can be within you.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

NOW GO DOWN TO VERSE 26 it tells us the name of the COMFORTER its NOT muhammed it is the HOLY GHOST also another name for Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth, Advocate, Comforter.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

SO YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAY MUHAMMED IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH THE BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS US THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IS THE HOLY GHOST THE COMFORTER

TRUE LOVER wrote:

<quoted text>
The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that…‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer.And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die. And a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test.So,plz attempt this test if u r true christian.
Jesus(pbuh) is not the last Prophit.He prophisized the comming of Prophit Muhammad(pbuh).He said in Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

[blue_zinc]

St. Mark:16:18-
"and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm them". That isn't the translation. "So, plz attempt this test if u r true", TRUE LOVER for Muhammad.

[JESUS is]

TRUE LOVER wrote:

<quoted text>
Jesus(pbuh) is not the last Prophit.He prophisized the comming of Prophit Muhammad(pbuh).He said in Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH DOES NOT REFER TO MUHAMMED!!!!!!!!!
MUHAMMED IS NOT THE PARACLETOS!!!!!!!

JOHN 14:16-17
"And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth, WHOM THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, BECAUSE IT NEITHER SEES HIM nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you".

It is generally alleged by Muslims that the Greek word "paracletos" is not the original word but that Jesus in fact foretold the coming of Muhammad ,"periklutos", that is, the "praised one".

There is not a shred of evidence in favour of the assertion that the original word was "periklutos". We have thousands of New Testament manuscripts pre-dating Islam and not one of these contains the word "periklutos".

[JESUS is]

WHY DO MUSLIMS IGNORE THESE VERSES WHEN TRYING TO PROVE THAT MUHAMMED WAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH:

1 TIMOTHY CHAPTER 4:1:
' Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions
2: through the hypocrisy of liars with branded consciences.
3: They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4: For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving,
5: for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.
6: If you will give these instructions to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound teaching you have followed.'

ANSWER ME!!!! I AM SICK OF MUSLIMS IGNORING THIS WHENEVER I POST IT!!!!!

Very rarely I'll get some Muslim trying to claim that this couldn't be referring to Islam because of the description:'THEY FORBID MARRIAGE',
Then I'll find a newsreport showing that a Muslim female has been murdered because she fell in love with a Christian, and they shut up!!!!!

[Abu Najda]

Native wrote:

Muslims
Could you LIST ALL the prophecies that Muhammed made?
You all claim Muhammed was a PROPHET well Prophets make PROPHECIES in other words they predict the future. Please list the Prophecies that Muhammed made and give sources for these Prophecies so we can go and look them up ourselves
thank you

You are funny.

Prophet is a translation of "nabi". We also have "rasul". Not all "rasuls" are "nabis".

Jesus peace be upon him was a "nabi" (translated as prophet)- what prophecies did he (and not his unreliable unsubstiated followers from years after his departure from Earth) make?

It means something different in Islam.

[JESUS is]

TRUE LOVER wrote:

<quoted text>
The Bible has a scientific test how to identify a true believer. It is mentioned in the Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that…‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’

THANKS FOR HIGHLITING THESE VERSES.

Jesus didn't mean that all true believers will have everyone of these gifts! He meant that some will speak in new toungues, others will cast out demons etc.

After my friend was water-baptized he woke up early one morning and began speaking in this weird language, didn't know what he was saying or why he was saying it. He can still do it and has demonstrated it to me.

After I was water baptized when I was 43, that gift didn't come to me but I was shown an angel. He wasn't. So I take that as my gift and am confident that Jesus approves of my work defending him here, so I'm going to keep doing it.

[bmz]

Native wrote:

True
Jesus is called IMMANUEL
Immanuel means GOD WITH US

LOL! Then stop calling him with the
wrong name Jesus and from now call him Immanuel.

Why was he not named Immanuel?

Cheers
BMZ

[bmz]

Correction, Native

Should read:

LOL! Then stop calling him with the wrong name Jesus and from now on call him Immanuel.

[Ex Widow]

To Native
Emmanuel orImmanuel or Imanuel or Imamnuel

[bmz]

JESUS is wrote:

WHY DO MUSLIMS IGNORE THESE VERSES WHEN TRYING TO PROVE THAT MUHAMMED WAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH:
1 TIMOTHY CHAPTER 4:1:
' Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions
2: through the hypocrisy of liars with branded consciences.
3: They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4: For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving,
5: for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.
6: If you will give these instructions to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound teaching you have followed.'
ANSWER ME!!!! I AM SICK OF MUSLIMS IGNORING THIS WHENEVER I POST IT!!!!!
Very rarely I'll get some Muslim trying to claim that this couldn't be referring to Islam because of the description:'THEY FORBID MARRIAGE',
Then I'll find a newsreport showing that a Muslim female has been murdered because she fell in love with a Christian, and they shut up!!!!!

There is no need to scream!

Most Muslims and I have always ignored this post of yours because of two reasons:

1. Timothy is just a private letter from Paul to Timothy. And a letter from one man to another is no Scripture.

It means NOTHING to us.

2. You always quote the passage, "Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions."

Only God Almighty is The Spirit. And the word 'Spirit' in above makes me feel like vomitting, because God never spoke to or with Paul at all.

3. You quote a distortion and a twisted sentence from Paul's letter.

4. We cannot accept the word Spirit in your quote and we believe you are referring to the alleged Holy Spirit of Christianity. Right?

5. Your quote explicitly says, "Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times..." and this is another forgery in the translation.

6. If you read NCV, it goes like this, "1 Now the Holy Spirit clearly says that in the later times some people will stop believing the faith."

7. Note the difference between 'the last times' and 'the later times'.

8. Who forbid people to marry? The Church and the Clergy. Right? They want all the Popes, Priests, Pastors, Bishops, Deacons, Nuns and Reverends not to get married. Right?

9. So, Paul is just trying to make a new Paul out of Timothy. That is what that letter is all about.

10. Therefore, you must get the word Spirit removed from that letter and follow the translation style of other translating companies.

That letter from Paul to Timothy has zero or no Scriptural value.

Cheers
BMZ

[bmz]

Note: The first two items of my post are the reasons.

[Wayne Ruskey]

blue_zinc wrote:

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"Thou shalt not kill" is not a diagnosis, like are you passive?

BMZ has it all mixed up with his ISA. Indeed, this lowlife muslim should have told his umma Allah reminded the God of the Bible 'Thou Shall not Lie!'- It is still the only Allah that does that!!

[bmz]

Wayne Ruskey wrote:

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BMZ has it all mixed up with his ISA. Indeed, this lowlife muslim should have told his umma Allah reminded the God of the Bible 'Thou Shall not Lie!'- It is still the only Allah that does that!!

I am just showing the absurdities, the lies and the incoherence in the mishmash of the New Testament.

Cheers
BMZ

[maliki osman]

if allah could send down an ISA and Injeel which allah could not protect and preserve but gave rise to muslims making wild claims later on, then the later quran merely confirms allah madness at running an in efficient triology, which is completed by more absurdities, incoherence and mishmash found in the quran to gloss over his two earlier mistakes. no muslim today or at anytime of its history know exactly when muhammad was told he had to write the quran. it is not found in the quran. hadiths are fairly tales.. remember!!