Muslims, What is the Worst Crime?

Created by Trisha on Aug 30, 2008

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Murder

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Aisha

United States

#126 Sep 3, 2008
Correction: Islam is LIKE Calvinism in its understanding of predestination.
Alen

London, UK

#127 Sep 3, 2008
Igor Trip wrote:
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Because the signs are false, delusions, just wishful thinking.
You fail to see the 'truth' of Christianity or Buddhism or Hinduism or paganism or any other ism yet to their believers their 'truth' is obvious.
Your argument is based purely on the presumption that your 'truth' is the right one.
I disagree.
Truth is out there.
Truth, not truths.

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Borat Osama Obama

AOL

#128 Sep 3, 2008
The God of Islam who boasts in not aligning Himself with another being, cannot say ''I'', but has to include others as His partners in what he did.
Qur'an 21:10 "Verily, We have sent down for you a Book in which is your reminder. Have you then no sense?" Returning to his favorite theme: "How many towns have We utterly destroyed because of their wrongs, exchanging them for other people? When they (felt) Our Torment, behold, they (began to) fly. Fly not, but return to that which emasculated you so that you may be interrogated. They cried:'Woe to us.' Their crying did not cease till We mowed them down as ashes silent and quenched." The Islamic god (a.k.a. Satan) is bragging about how many civilizations he destroyed. Demonstrating the godless mindset of a concentration camp warden he said he emasculated men, interrogating them, making them cry. Then he mowed them down, turning their bodies to ashes. It's little wonder Hitler based Mein Kampf on Islam.
Borat Osama Obama

AOL

#129 Sep 3, 2008
Qur'an 21:24 "Say,'Bring your proof: this is the Reminder Book for those before me but most do not know and are adverse.'" Unable to read, neither god nor prophet knew that a recital was not a book and that their lecture was diametrically opposed to "The Book" they were referencing. As a result, they insisted the gods and books were the same. Qur'an 21:25 "Not a messenger did We send before you but We revealed to him: La ilaha illa Ana (No gods but I), so worship Me."

Incredibly, this assertion of a singular divinity is followed by: Qur'an 21:26 "And yet they say:'Ar-Rahman has begotten a son.' Too exalted his He." Most translations, trying to hide their god's duplicity, mistranslate the passage: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." If Muslims have to deceive us to keep their god together, their god isn't in any better shape than the fractured rock they call his home.
Ignorant Allah puts in His book that 'begotten is referring to birthing a Son. Nothing could be farther from truth, Not knowing the Bible, nor the power of God, Mohammad just exposed hiself as a fale prophet.Here is what that means in the Bible;

This verse was the first of many to demean the Messiah. Yahshua (Jesus's real name), claimed to be God. Qur'an 21:29 "If any of them should say,'I am an ilah (god) besides Him.' such a one We should reward with Hell." If Allah is right, the Messiah is burning in hell - which is indeed where the dark spirit would like to see him. But then again, since hell is separation from God, it wouldn't be hell any more.

Accusing the Word of God to say that Jesus was born by a sexual act, This word does not mean anything like the quran's idea. For to what angel did God ever say, "Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"?
And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."
All of these passages speak about the resurrection and exaltation of Christ. It refers to his taking office as king and priest. This took place about 33 years after the birth of Jesus. Clearly, in Biblical usage, the term "begotten" when used for Jesus in those passages is not at all connected with anything sexual but has a metaphorical meaning. The expression "the begotten son" of God is never mentioned in respect to his miraculous conception by the Holy Spirit or his birth by the Virgin Mary.
It might well be that the Muslim understanding is correct in regard to the Qur'an, but it is better to carefully read the Bible or ask knowledgable Christians before just assuming that the Bible does speak about the same thing that is condemned in the Qur'an. There is no duty on the part of the Christian to actually believe in the false notions that the Qur'an has about the Christians. The problem in not in the Bible, it is in the Qur'an whose author has not understood the clear meaning of the Biblical language.
What then is the Biblical meaning? I think Romans 1:4 says it most clearly that Jesus "was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord." The resurrection was the time of public declaration of what he has been all along. The NIV translates the three above mentioned verses as "Today I became your Father" instead of the literal "Today I have begotten you" in order to bring out more clearly the strong symbolic meaning of the word, which should be already obvious from their original place in Psalm 2:7 as well as from the way it is quoted in the New Testament in refering to the resurrection.

Aisha

United States

#130 Sep 3, 2008
Borat,

This "We"ness with Allah really is weird, considering how obsessed Allah is with the sin of shirk, or assigning partners to Allah. Yeah, I've read that it's the imperial "We" that Allah is employing in the original Arabic, but I don't buy it. I think that by using "We," Mohammad, that totally self-glorifying psycho, means Allah and him together.
Human

West Monroe, LA

#131 Sep 3, 2008
Aisha wrote:
Borat,
This "We"ness with Allah really is weird, considering how obsessed Allah is with the sin of shirk, or assigning partners to Allah. Yeah, I've read that it's the imperial "We" that Allah is employing in the original Arabic, but I don't buy it. I think that by using "We," Mohammad, that totally self-glorifying psycho, means Allah and him together.
Thank You Aisha! Thats what I figure! Alen claims its not but I really think its meant in the plural sense!
Aisha

United States

#132 Sep 3, 2008
Hi Human!

I'm trying to remember when I've ever read of the Bible God using the plural in self-identification, and Genesis comes to mind: "Let us make man in our own image." Who is this "us?" Father, Son, Spirit? That could be the Christian take, a suggestion of the Trinity, which Muslims are convinced is a pagan doctrine that Paul introduced, but how does an orthodox Jew understand this passage from Genesis?

Elsewhere in the Bible it is "I, the LORD," singular, and none of this imperial "We" business at all.

You'd think that "Gabriel" would have been a tad more sensitive to the possibility that Muslims would be tying themselves in knots trying to explain that God is not really PLURAL, even if it looks that way!:^)
Alen

Romford, UK

#133 Sep 4, 2008
Aisha wrote:
Borat,
This "We"ness with Allah really is weird, considering how obsessed Allah is with the sin of shirk, or assigning partners to Allah. Yeah, I've read that it's the imperial "We" that Allah is employing in the original Arabic, but I don't buy it. I think that by using "We," Mohammad, that totally self-glorifying psycho, means Allah and him together.
You don't have to believe the truth, it will remain the truth.
Human

West Monroe, LA

#134 Sep 4, 2008
Aisha wrote:
Hi Human!
I'm trying to remember when I've ever read of the Bible God using the plural in self-identification, and Genesis comes to mind: "Let us make man in our own image." Who is this "us?" Father, Son, Spirit? That could be the Christian take, a suggestion of the Trinity, which Muslims are convinced is a pagan doctrine that Paul introduced, but how does an orthodox Jew understand this passage from Genesis?
Elsewhere in the Bible it is "I, the LORD," singular, and none of this imperial "We" business at all.
You'd think that "Gabriel" would have been a tad more sensitive to the possibility that Muslims would be tying themselves in knots trying to explain that God is not really PLURAL, even if it looks that way!:^)
Yeah Aisha as fond as I am of Alen I think the we in the Qu'ran means WE too! Have you considered the possibility that the we in the Qu'ran is Legions? and do you know what I mean?
Aisha

United States

#135 Sep 4, 2008
Human wrote:
Yeah Aisha as fond as I am of Alen I think the we in the Qu'ran means WE too! Have you considered the possibility that the we in the Qu'ran is Legions? and do you know what I mean?
Mark 5:9 Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" "My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many."

This poor man was full of demons, who had made him quite insane, and Jesus delivered him of them all! "We," a.k.a., "Legion" got sent into the pigs, but the pigs wanted nothing to do with these damned spirits, so they all committed suicide by jumping into the lake!

So much for the BLT sandwiches and pig roast that the locals were hoping for.

What about Mohammad? Is his "We" also "Legion," as in many demons? Could be. Check this out, Human. It explains much! http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad...
Human

West Monroe, LA

#136 Sep 5, 2008
Aisha wrote:
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Mark 5:9 Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" "My name is Legion," he replied, "for we are many."
This poor man was full of demons, who had made him quite insane, and Jesus delivered him of them all! "We," a.k.a., "Legion" got sent into the pigs, but the pigs wanted nothing to do with these damned spirits, so they all committed suicide by jumping into the lake!
So much for the BLT sandwiches and pig roast that the locals were hoping for.
What about Mohammad? Is his "We" also "Legion," as in many demons? Could be. Check this out, Human. It explains much! http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad...
Well I have wondered about it. Jesus casts out legions who claims "we are many" legions gets ticked and comes back years lator urging Muhammad to slaughter Christians and Jews and force islam on them steal there belongings ect.
Perhaps legions had a vendetta~!
Aisha

United States

#137 Sep 5, 2008
Human,

The spirit named "Gabriel" that "spoke" to Mohammad (NOT the angel Gabriel of the Gospel of Luke!) was a liar who denied the Incarnation (the doctrine that God became man in the person of Jesus), and denied the Vicarious Atonement (the doctrine that the death of Jesus was a sacrifice for sin). Indeed, Jesus isn't crucified at all in Islam. He isn't even killed!

Without a death there can be no resurrection, so "Gabriel" also made Jesus a liar, because Jesus prophesied his own death and resurrection.

Hell would most definitely want to discredit these three cardinal Christian doctrines -the Incarnation, the Vicarious Atonement, and the Resurrection- because they PROVE that Satan and hell have been DEFEATED, so that is precisely what "Gabriel," that damned spirit, sought to do, and in Mohammad, hell found the ideal instrument!

He COULD HAVE researched and discovered what the Church taught, but he paid more attention to the damned spirit that had captured his attention, the same spirit that gave him permission to steal, and rape, and torture, and kill, and lie, to basically gratify whatever lustful and vengeful desires he had, because he was Allah's "prophet" and could do whatever the hell he wanted to do.

Maybe there was a Legion of demons involved with Mohammad, a "We," but the result is the same. He loosed an enormous wickedness on the earth that is still with us. Islam was then and remains today Christianity's greatest enemy. How could it not be? It came from hell.
Alen

UK

#138 Sep 6, 2008
Aisha wrote:
Human,
The spirit named "Gabriel" that "spoke" to Mohammad (NOT the angel Gabriel of the Gospel of Luke!) was a liar who denied the Incarnation (the doctrine that God became man in the person of Jesus), and denied the Vicarious Atonement (the doctrine that the death of Jesus was a sacrifice for sin). Indeed, Jesus isn't crucified at all in Islam. He isn't even killed!
Would you like prophet Jesus to get killed?
Aisha

United States

#139 Sep 6, 2008
Alen,

Whether I like it or not, the fact of the matter is that Jesus was killed, and Mohammad got it wrong.
Alen

Slough, UK

#140 Sep 7, 2008
Aisha wrote:
Alen,
Whether I like it or not, the fact of the matter is that Jesus was killed, and Mohammad got it wrong.
I disagree.
Aisha

United States

#141 Sep 7, 2008
Alen,

You only have Mohammad's word for it. Why do you believe him?
Sound Doc

AOL

#142 Sep 7, 2008
Alen wrote:
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Would you like prophet Jesus to get killed?
I say to you what Jesus said to Peter;

Mt 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!"
23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

Jesus asked the Father,''Should I ask to be deivered from this death?'' then He SAID,''NO, I CAME FOR THIS PURPOSE.''
Joh 12:27 "Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say?'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour.
Jesus reason to come to the earth was to offer himself as a living sacrifice, Holy and acceptable to God the Father as the Lamb of God, Who took away the sin of the world, Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
In the Bible, the word,''BEGOTTEN'' refers only to Jesus' resurrection, not to His birth.
Quran is wrong in that as it is in who is the Godhead.
Romans 1:4 says it most clearly that Jesus "was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord." The resurrection was the time of public declaration of what he has been all along. The NIV translates the three above mentioned verses as "Today I became your Father" instead of the literal "Today I have begotten you" in order to bring out more clearly the strong symbolic meaning of the word, which should be already obvious from their original place in Psalm 2:7 as well as from the way it is quoted in the New Testament in refering to the resurrection.

“*-Maashallah-*”

Since: Aug 08

Birmingham,UK

#143 Oct 11, 2008
JSLSRS wrote:
Still waiting for Alen and Animas,please answer,it is true,that muhammad married a 6 years old baby girl,had sex with her when she was 9,he was 54,after a wet dream.took his son's wife and married her,had 11 wives ( according to the koran you can have only four),please it is true or not,simple question,
he married her bcoz she wz going to be a great women in islam, lyk how mary is in christianity. she reamined a virgin all her life. muhammad (saw) respected women and thats why he married so many times bcoz in those dayz widowed/divorced women were badly treated. and he didnt have any sons as both died when they were bron

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