why GOD sent disasters on countries?

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#315 Jul 27, 2012
Igor Trip wrote:
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Except that he never states just what Jesus was teaching.
His own views don't count.
Yes, they do count, just as other people's views count (such as, perhaps, your own). I follow Paul's views and believe and understand he explains the meanings of certain things.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Paul the earliest writer about Jesus never once mentions any miracles. That's strong support there weren't any.
No it isn't. Paul described the miracle of the appearance of Jesus to him, and the book of Acts describes miraculous occurrences as having happened through the hands of Paul.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Why didn't any of those thousands of witnesses ever write anything down? Surely such miracles were worthy of a scroll or two?
The gospels were written by unknown people believed to be living far away from Jerusalem well after the alleged events by which time the stories could easily have become highly embellished. They also greatly contradict each other (was the miracle of the fishes before or after Jesus died?)
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An intelligent God who was sending part of himself to be sacrificed would surely have ensured that scribes were there to accurately record the whole event, right?
You would have to show me what parts of the Bible you are speaking of regarding the time of the fishes.

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#316 Jul 27, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
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Yes, they do count, just as other people's views count (such as, perhaps, your own). I follow Paul's views and believe and understand he explains the meanings of certain things.
We all have views but only Jesus's are supposed to be Gods.
NotQuiter wrote:
No it isn't. Paul described the miracle of the appearance of Jesus to him, and the book of Acts describes miraculous occurrences as having happened through the hands of Paul.
One man's hallucination is not proof of anything (He only saw a bright light).
Acts was written by an unknown author using unknown sources.
Strangely none of those alleged miracles is mentioned in Paul's letters.
NotQuiter wrote:
You would have to show me what parts of the Bible you are speaking of regarding the time of the fishes.
Oops sorry I forgot there were two fish based miracles. I'm referring to the casting of the nets.

Before Jesus died.
Luke 5
4 When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon,“Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”
5 Simon answered,“Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”
6 When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break.
7 So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

After Jesus died.
John 21
4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5 He called out to them,“Friends, haven’t you any fish?”
“No,” they answered.
6 He said,“Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.

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#317 Jul 27, 2012
Igor Trip wrote:
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We all have views but only Jesus's are supposed to be Gods.
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One man's hallucination is not proof of anything (He only saw a bright light).
That is true he was blinded by the light, but the apparent light had words coming from it. Paul said only he heard the words but just as it doesn't make sense to you, it makes sense to me.:-) Because Paul was a persecutor and then stopped being a persecutor after he came to his senses, due to divine intervention. Furthermore, there are things in the Bible that God evidently wants us to know -- it doesn't mean that God has to speak all those words.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Acts was written by an unknown author using unknown sources.
Strangely none of those alleged miracles is mentioned in Paul's letters.
I don't find that strange, looking at the context.
Igor Trip wrote:
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Oops sorry I forgot there were two fish based miracles. I'm referring to the casting of the nets.
Before Jesus died.
Luke 5
4 When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon,“Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”
5 Simon answered,“Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”
6 When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break.
7 So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.
After Jesus died.
John 21
4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus.
5 He called out to them,“Friends, haven’t you any fish?”
“No,” they answered.
6 He said,“Throw your net on the right side of the boat and you will find some.” When they did, they were unable to haul the net in because of the large number of fish.
So what is the problem here? I don't see a problem or contradiction. Two different time frames, the men were fishermen anyway. Let me tell you something. I used to say I did not believe in God, it seemed logical to me at the time for me to say there is no God. Then, however, I started studying the Bible and now I believe in God. but this does not mean that just because I understand better now what the Bible says and that I believe in God, that I can transfer belief to someone else. I'm sure you understand that.

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#318 Jul 27, 2012
Igor Trip wrote:
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Except that he never states just what Jesus was teaching.
His own views don't count.
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Paul the earliest writer about Jesus never once mentions any miracles. That's strong support there weren't any.
Why didn't any of those thousands of witnesses ever write anything down? Surely such miracles were worthy of a scroll or two?

I'll just bet they did write things down, but as we all know, parchment and other writing materials can be easily dissolved. Furthermore, God has the power to preserve whatever writings or teachings he wants to.

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The gospels were written by unknown people believed to be living far away from Jerusalem well after the alleged events by which time the stories could easily have become highly embellished. They also greatly contradict each other (was the miracle of the fishes before or after Jesus died?)
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An intelligent God who was sending part of himself to be sacrificed would surely have ensured that scribes were there to accurately record the whole event, right?
And so He did in some cases, in other cases they were either written down by others and compiled according to God's will, or spoken of by others and then written down. All the soothsayers that say something different also have their own "ideas," none of which can be truly substantiated or corroborated, as they differ amongst themselves, particularly depending upon their platform. However, there are certain references to early Christians in secular history. And that the arguments happened in Constantine's time is verification for me that something very, very outstanding happened, enough that Constantine himself believed that the true followers of Christ were a threat to his realm and wanted to get them involved in supporting the state, something the early Christians were evidently reluctant to do, themselves not supporting the emperors who declared themselves to be God. The Bible accounts themselves reveal details that were highly intricate and accurate.

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#319 Jul 27, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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The religious books tell you that the Earth is 6k years old (give or take).
Archaeology and other sciences tell us otherwise.
One day to God is a thousand years to man, so by those numbers it took God 6000 years to finish his Creation.
https://www.google.com/search...
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And jtlyk, the science machines they use cannot tell how old the earth is. Their carbon testing isn't good for accuracy or precision.
https://www.google.com/search... 't+good+for+precision
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Where's all the bones from trillions of life forms, human and animal, that lived for the past 6000 years. They find 1 or 2 specimens close to the earths surface within a few feet in depth and tell you they are millions of years old. Don't believe everything you read. Science is a business out to make a buck don't forget.

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#320 Jul 27, 2012
Reviewing the scriptures, one translation says this:

Genesis 1: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

I could be wrong, but OK, in the beginning. No time period given of creation of the heavens (the stars, etc.) and the earth because it is referencing it as a simple planet.(similar to Mars, etc.) It was created in the beginning. Then it says,

2. "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

This description is about the earth. The earth, on day one, already was (but it was formless and empty, darkness, and God's Spirit was hovering over the dark waters...)

3. "And God said,“Let there be light,” and there was light."

There was light. First day. Not light for the universe -- light for the earth. In the beginning (not necessarily the first day), God created the heavens and the earth. On the first day after the beginning, or in the beginning, He made light to appear on the earth.

4. "God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness."

God liked the light the way it was, and then separated the light from the darkness.(in relation to the earth, obviously.)

5. "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

In relation to the earth.(The sun does not have day and night. The sun is always bright.)

Take this first day, the making of light shine upon the earth separating it from darkness. The first day may be 7,000 years ... inestimable right now. Each day may be 7,000 years, or 7 x 1,000. A day can be 1,000 years, or it can be another type of period of time.
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#321 Jul 28, 2012
fire in russia.

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#322 Jul 28, 2012
ashkarlive4ALLAH wrote:
fire in russia.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ british-columbia/story/2012/07 /10/bc-haze-russian-forest-fir e.html
Just looked it up. The fires are threatening the Chernobyl area as well. God will solve all these problems, I'm glad I know what the Bible says about this so that I can have hope: that God will make peace (mankind's governments cannot do so), and He will restore the earth to its proper place -- that one of beauty and peace. In prophetic warning, Revelation 11:18 - "The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great--and for destroying those who destroy the earth." So there it says that God will destroy those who destroy the earth, showing that He will remove all causes of misery and destruction on the earth. Psalm 72 also speaks of the earth becoming like a paradise. So does Revelation 21:1-5.

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#323 Jul 28, 2012
NotQuiter wrote:
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And so He did in some cases, in other cases they were either written down by others and compiled according to God's will, or spoken of by others and then written down. All the soothsayers that say something different also have their own "ideas," none of which can be truly substantiated or corroborated, as they differ amongst themselves, particularly depending upon their platform.
You have no evidence that Jesus or his immediate followers wrote down anything.
The earlist writings are from Paul and he never met Jesus (visions don't count).
NotQuiter wrote:
However, there are certain references to early Christians in secular history.
No one disputes there was a sect called Christianity. What's disputed is what their founder actually sadi and did.
NotQuiter wrote:
And that the arguments happened in Constantine's time is verification for me that something very, very outstanding happened, enough that Constantine himself believed that the true followers of Christ were a threat to his realm and wanted to get them involved in supporting the state, something the early Christians were evidently reluctant to do, themselves not supporting the emperors who declared themselves to be God.
Constantines wife was a Christian. We can never know why he chose Christianity as Romes state religion over the other beliefs. Maybe he didn't believe any of them and just thought Christinity was the easiest to control.
NotQuiter wrote:
The Bible accounts themselves reveal details that were highly intricate and accurate.
How do you know any of the details are accurate?

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#325 Jul 28, 2012
Timesten wrote:
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One day to God is a thousand years to man, so by those numbers it took God 6000 years to finish his Creation.
https://www.google.com/search...
The six days of creation are supposed to have happened before Adam and Eve were created.
Timesten wrote:
And jtlyk, the science machines they use cannot tell how old the earth is. Their carbon testing isn't good for accuracy or precision.
https://www.google.com/search... 't+good+for+precision
Carbon 14 testing isn't used to test the age of the earth as it's only good for about 60,000 years.

“Rock minerals naturally contain certain elements and not others. By the process of radioactive decay of radioactive isotopes occurring in a rock, exotic elements can be introduced over time. By measuring the concentration of the stable end product of the decay, coupled with knowledge of the half life and initial concentration of the decaying element, the age of the rock can be calculated. Typical radioactive end products are argon from potassium-40 and lead from uranium and thorium decay. If the rock becomes molten, as happens in Earth's mantle, such nonradioactive end products typically escape or are redistributed. Thus the age of the oldest terrestrial rock gives a minimum for the age of Earth assuming that a rock cannot have been in existence for longer than Earth itself.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth...
Timesten wrote:
Where's all the bones from trillions of life forms, human and animal, that lived for the past 6000 years. They find 1 or 2 specimens close to the earths surface within a few feet in depth and tell you they are millions of years old. Don't believe everything you read. Science is a business out to make a buck don't forget.
Then how do you explain all those fossils found deep in the Grand canyon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_G...

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#326 Jul 28, 2012
Revelation 18:8 - in one day her plagues will overtake her, and she will be consumed by fire. HER plagues will overtake her? Who is she?(Clearly symbolic, but anyone have any answers or thoughts about who "she" is?)

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#327 Jul 28, 2012
Igor Trip wrote:
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The six days of creation are supposed to have happened before Adam and Eve were created.
Interesting that upon examination of the account of the creation, it says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." And then it went on to say what happened to the earth (not the heavens as in creation) on the first day, preparing the earth for life. This seems to be indicating that the rock, or planet called earth was in place prior to the first day. Also, it is my recollection that the seventh day was not closed. Each of the first six days were started,(morning) and had ended (evening). But not the 7th day.

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#328 Jul 30, 2012
Igor Trip wrote:
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Then how do you explain all those fossils found deep in the Grand canyon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_G...
Ooh! Ooh! Please Sir, can I answer that one!

The Devil left them there to confuse and fool us, honest, that's what he did!!!!
Trust Allah-God Almighty

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#329 Jul 30, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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Ooh! Ooh! Please Sir, can I answer that one!
The Devil left them there to confuse and fool us, honest, that's what he did!!!!
The devil tried it with Jesus, and you're next...

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#330 Jul 30, 2012
Trust Allah-God Almighty wrote:
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The devil tried it with Jesus, and you're next...
You left out Mohammed, Satan was successful with him and what a knock-on effect it had with all those people turning to Mohammed and Islam creating Satans ideals on Earth.
Trust Allah-God Almighty

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#331 Jul 30, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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You left out Mohammed, Satan was successful with him and what a knock-on effect it had with all those people turning to Mohammed and Islam creating Satans ideals on Earth.
And what faith are you again?

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#332 Jul 30, 2012
Trust Allah-God Almighty wrote:
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And what faith are you again?
I don't need a faith, I use the evidence of science to open my eyes to my surroundings and what causes the disasters of the world.
I do however live in a Christian country and enjoy the customs and traditions therein.

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#333 Jul 30, 2012
supersonic boom wrote:
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I don't need a faith, I use the evidence of science to open my eyes to my surroundings and what causes the disasters of the world.
I do however live in a Christian country and enjoy the customs and traditions therein.
So you and yours are responsible for all of this eh?
https://www.google.com/search...
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https://www.google.com/search...
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https://www.google.com/search...
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https://www.google.com/search...
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If that's what you believe in, then I'm thankful I have faith...

“Fly low, fly fast.”

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#334 Jul 30, 2012
You and yours create far more misery in the world than any other religion or atheists.

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#335 Jul 30, 2012
Like I said I am thankful to have faith..

So you and yours are responsible for all of this eh?
https://www.google.com/search...
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https://www.google.com/search...
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https://www.google.com/search...
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https://www.google.com/search...
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If that's what you believe in, then I'm thankful I have faith...

Oh and this one also
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T7J...
Real smart people you scientists eh?

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