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Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#21 Apr 27, 2012
Old Testament says:

De:10:20: Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.

But New Testament says:

M't:5:33: Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
M't:5:34: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
M't:5:35: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
M't:5:36: Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

So who swear falsely as peter considered from saints?

M't:26:69: Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
M't:26:70: But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
M't:26:71: And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
M't:26:72: And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
M't:26:73: And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
M't:26:74: Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.

Isn't that peter that Jesus said about him?

M't:16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
M't:16:19: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Isn't peter from saints in your beliefs? So a saint in your faith who swear falsely and deny his god?

Didn't jesus swear? I mean didn't he support archbishop in his swear?

M't:26:63: But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
M't:26:64: Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Didn't Saint Paul swear?

Ro:1:9: For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

2Co:1:23:

2Co:1:23: Moreover I call God for a record upon my soul, that to spare you I came not as yet unto Corinth.

2Co:11:31

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not

Ph'p:1:8: For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.

Even god himself swears?

De:1:34: And the LORD heard the voice of your words, and was wroth, and sware, saying,

1Sa:3:14:

And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever

Psalms:95:11: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Am:4:2: The Lord GOD hath sworn by his holiness, that, lo, the days shall come upon you, that he will take you away with hooks, and your posterity with fishhooks.

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#22 Apr 27, 2012
In how many years Ephraim break?

In 65 year as

Isa:7:8: For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

But it got broke in 3 year only in

2Ki:17:6:

In the ninth year of Hoshea the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away into Assyria, and placed them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes

If we considered that Ephraim is the Samaria as

1Ki:12:25:

Then Jeroboam built Shechem in mount Ephraim, and dwelt therein; and went out from thence, and built Penuel

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Ho:5:12: Therefore will I be unto Ephraim as a moth, and to the house of Judah as rottenness

But we read in

Ho:13:7: Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:

So which verse from them we should believe and what insect and animal god prefer to give an example like him?

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Old Testament says that Moses said:

Ge:22:14: And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

And that name got called after building the temple? Then this happened after the death of Moses with about 450 year? Then how this considered as said by Moses?

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Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#23 Apr 27, 2012
In your bible there are plagiarisms

For example Kings 2 : 19 verse is exactly the same as Isaiah : 37 verse

And god was honest when he said

Jer:23:30: Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

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Nu:31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Nu:31:18: But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Look at the terrorism? How god with his glory say this terrorism? And how they know virgins from none virgins? That mean that god order them for sexual abuse? And this what happened in bousna by the terrorist cross worshipers that inspired by the terrorism in your bible.

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Ho:13:16: Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Look at the terrorism? How god with his glory say this terrorism? Where was god love and mercy when he ordered to destroy Samaria , killing children and pregnant women?

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If you required god do you find him?

The answer is yes

Jer:29:13: And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

The answer is no

Job:19:6: Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net.
Job:19:7: Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.

Job:24:12: Men groan from out of the city, and the soul of the wounded crieth out: yet God layeth not folly to them.

Job:30:20: I cry unto thee, and thou dost not hear me: I stand up, and thou regardest me not.
Job:30:21: Thou art become cruel to me: with thy strong hand thou opposest thyself against me.

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#24 Apr 27, 2012
Does god know future and everything or he need to descend to earth to watch things?

Ge:11:5: And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

Ge:18:20: And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Ge:18:21: I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Why god needed to descend didn't he say?

Psalms:33:13: The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
Psalms:33:14: From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth

Psalms:53:2: God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

Psalms:11:4: The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

Proverb:15:3: The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

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God said about leprous people

Le:13:44: He is a leprous man, he is unclean: the priest shall pronounce him utterly unclean; his plague is in his head.
Le:13:45: And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean.
Le:13:46: All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be

A god order exposing sick people? Where is god love and mercy?

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J'g:15:15: And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith.
J'g:15:16: And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jaw of an ass have I slain a thousand men.

Rofl do you believe Samson did this? 1000 men ? and if this is the behavior of prophet how will be the situation of his followers ?

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Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#25 Apr 27, 2012
J'g:1:19: And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Did god fear them because they got chariots of iron?

Isn't god the greatest thing and he can do what ever he want?

Or he feared them as when he was afraid that adam and his wife to eat from the tree

Ge:3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Ge:3:23: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Ge:3:24: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Or he feared them as when he was afraid because Jacob beat him?

Ge:32:22: And he rose up that night, and took his two wives, and his two womenservants, and his eleven sons, and passed over the ford Jabbok.
Ge:32:23: And he took them, and sent them over the brook, and sent over that he had.
Ge:32:24: And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Ge:32:25: And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Ge:32:26: And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Ge:32:27: And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
Ge:32:28: And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Ge:32:29: And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
Ge:32:30: And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Or he feared them as when he was afraid from jews to kill him

Joh:7:1: After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Or he feared them as when he got caught and he was crying to his god to make him survive

Lu:22:41: And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
Lu:22:42: Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Lu:22:43: And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Lu:22:44: And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Lu:22:45: And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#26 Apr 27, 2012
How many years accurately Noah lived it

600 years according to

Ge:7:11: In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

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1 year and 27 day according to

Ge:8:13: And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
Ge:8:14: And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

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350 year according to

Ge:9:28: And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.

If we calculated this 600 + 1 + 350 = 951 then Noah lived about 951 year and 27 day

Not 950 year according to

Ge:9:29: And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Christians and jews god need to go to school to learn how to count? Or what?

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Eze:23:16: And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
Eze:23:17: And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
Eze:23:18: So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.
Eze:23:19: Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
Eze:23:20: For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
Eze:23:21: Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
Eze:23:22: There, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

What is the educational aim from those strange sexual sentences? Did god inspire that trash talk to writers to make every respected person trying to prevent his children from reading this?

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2Ki:6:28-30

And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.

So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.

And it came to pass, when the king heard the words of the woman, that he rent his clothes; and he passed by upon the wall, and the people looked, and, behold, he had sackcloth within upon his flesh.

What is that crap? Its really funny thing. Is this really god book or drunk person book? Who is that idiot king? Where is the rights of the kid that got killed? And why that king climbed the wall? Where is the condemning of god to this legends?

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#27 Apr 27, 2012
Song:7:1: How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
Song:7:2: Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.
Song:7:3: Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
Song:7:4: Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bath-rabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.
Song:7:5: Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.
Song:7:6: How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!
Song:7:7: This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.
Song:7:8: I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;
Song:7:9: And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.
Song:7:10: I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.
Song:7:11: Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.

Read that full verse? And I ask any honest Christian or jew can you dare to read that crap to your daughter or son? If you said yes I will ask you then why you couldn't find that verse in the youth bible book?

That verse considered said by Solomon but in 1Ki:11:5-10

Its say that Solomon disbelieved and he worshiped idols? Do you ever heard about a prophet disbelieved and worshiped idols? How do you accept a verse in your god book said by a disbeliever and an idol worshiper?

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Prophets insult their god in his holy book looooooool

Job:16:11: God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
Job:16:12: I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark.

Job:19:6: Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net.
Job:19:7: Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.
Job:19:8: He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.
Job:19:9: He hath stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown from my head.
Job:19:10: He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree.
Job:19:11: He hath also kindled his wrath against me, and he counteth me unto him as one of his enemies.

Job:4:18: Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:

Job:12:19: He leadeth princes away spoiled, and overthroweth the mighty.
Job:12:20: He removeth away the speech of the trusty, and taketh away the understanding of the aged.
Job:12:21: He poureth contempt upon princes, and weakeneth the strength of the mighty.
Job:12:22: He discovereth deep things out of darkness, and bringeth out to light the shadow of death.
Job:12:23: He increaseth the nations, and destroyeth them: he enlargeth the nations, and straiteneth them again.
Job:12:24: He taketh away the heart of the chief of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way.

Job:24:12: Men groan from out of the city, and the soul of the wounded crieth out: yet God layeth not folly to them.

Job:30:20: I cry unto thee, and thou dost not hear me: I stand up, and thou regardest me not.
Job:30:21: Thou art become cruel to me: with thy strong hand thou opposest thyself against me.

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#28 Apr 27, 2012
2Sa:2:7-16

In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.

Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet.
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.

And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies.
Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.
The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice
And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them
And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils

First time to hear about that dragon god! And god knew this only after their screams?

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You guys criticize the punishment of cutting hands for thieves in islam? Didn't you know that you have punishment of cutting hands also but its only for women!

De:25:11: When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:

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What was the length of the two columns that got built by Solomon in the temple?

35 arm according to

2Ch:3:15:

Also he made before the house two pillars of thirty and five cubits high, and the chapiter that was on the top of each of them was five cubits.

18 arm according to

1Ki:7:15:

For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about.

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Did Moses write anything about Jesus? Where we can find the trinity from what Moses wrote? Where we can find in the previous book that god will come to the earth as a human?

Joh:5:46: For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#29 Apr 27, 2012
marine_engineer_h0ssam wrote:
here is some of my studies
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TP8...
i promise i will publish more and I'm thinking about organizing it and making it as a PDF and spread it over internet
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Is bible really god word?
My question to Christians and Jews how do you claim that your bible is holy if your bible tell the opposite itself?
There are missed verses and your bible talk about it? Christians and Jews missed them and they didn't keep good word and save it!
Missed verses:
1- Verse wars of the LORD
Nu:21:14: Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon
2- Verse of jasher
Jos:10:13: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
3- Verse acts of Solomon
Ki:11:41:1
And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon
4- Verse of Jeremiah lamented for Josiah
Ch:35:25::2
And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations.
5- Verse of Josiah
Ch:35:25::2
And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations.
6- Verse of Nathan the prophet
2Ch:9:29: Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat
7- Verse of Ahijah the Shilonite
2Ch:9:29: Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat
8- Verse of kings of Israel and Judah
2Ch:27:7: Now the rest of the acts of Jotham, and all his wars, and his ways, lo, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah.
9- Verse of prophet Iddo
2Ch:13:22: And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.
10- Verse of story of the book of the kings
2Ch:24:27: Now concerning his sons, and the greatness of the burdens laid upon him, and the repairing of the house of God, behold, they are written in the story of the book of the kings. And Amaziah his son reigned in his stead.
12- Verse of sayings of the seers
2Ch:33:19: His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.
13- Verse of book of lord
Isa:34:16: Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
14- Verse of law of god
Jos:24:26: And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the sanctuary of the LORD.
15- Verse of law of Moses
Jos:8:31: As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Explain your post in the context of the Bible?

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#30 Apr 27, 2012
i even challenge Christians pope or Jews highest rabbi to dare to answer 51% from my question

and btw kids more flames cost you more attacks and more unveiling your fake religions !

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#31 Apr 27, 2012
skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>Explain your post in the context of the Bible?
instead of changing the subject why you don't try to answer some questions instead this
OUT OF CONTEXT

India

#32 Apr 28, 2012
28 Posts on a trot and no one reading.
PATHETIC.
Naman

├śrsta, Norway

#33 Apr 28, 2012
marine_engineer_h0ssam wrote:
Old Testament says:
De:10:20: Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
But New Testament says:
M't:5:33: Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
M't:5:34: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
M't:5:35: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
M't:5:36: Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
So who swear falsely as peter considered from saints?
M't:26:69: Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
M't:26:70: But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
M't:26:71: And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
M't:26:72: And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
M't:26:73: And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
M't:26:74: Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
Isn't that peter that Jesus said about him?
Hello

If you read the full texts and not just cherry-pick the sentences you like, you will find that most of your questions either are constructed or are answered alredy in the Bible. You are so dishonest in your use of the material, that I do not think I bother to take part in this debate.(Disuse/cherry-picking/ twisting is all to normal from Muslims.)

Just 2 points:
1. When the Bible - and especially OT - refer to a book/books, it far from always is to Biblical books. There f.x. were the old books about the doings of the old Jewish kings, which many times were referred to. Your "conclution" that such referenses mean that things are missing in the Bible, thus is wrong.

2. The word "saint" originally was used simply meaning "followers of Jesus", and not in the meaning the word has got today.

Well, one more point:
Jesus said you should not swear. But he also said that if you all the same did so, you should honour your words. Swearing thus is not totally prohibitted. In your honesty you have cherry-picked this fact away, and pretend an answer you like better. As for Peter you see the full story if you read it.

But for a comparison: Muhammad lied - even in the Quran (f.x. when he claimed that miracles would make no-one believe - he knew better, f.x. the sorcerers of Pharaoh Ramses II), he used and accepted deceit and betrayals (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar murdered), he even used and accepted breaking of words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225, 5/89, 66/2). And Muhammad is not only the main saint (except in the name, because that is forbidden) of Islam, but the only man all Islam is built on: A man of doubtful moral and even more doubtful reliability, even according to the Quran), but with much to gain from makeing people believe in him and his religion - power, riches for bribes, women, etc. And his book, the Quran, is so full of errors and worst, that no god was involved in anything of such a quality.
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Sorry, I have to whipe out parts of your "letter", but readers find it on the top of this file.

http:/www.1000mistakes.com
http:/www.1000quran-comments.c om
Naman

├śrsta, Norway

#34 Apr 28, 2012
Well, I should add one more point: All too many Muslims do not know the difference between f.x. a coincidence, a possibility, a probability, perhaps, etc. and a proof. When they like something, it very quickly is "transformed" to a claimed proof.

"A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclution".

F.x. not one of the "signs" or "proofs" for Allah in the Quran is a valid one, because Muhammad never first proved it really was Allah who was behind the natural phenomena, etc. he claimed were proofs/signs for Allah. Not one.

http://www.1000mistakes.com
http://www.1000quran-comment.com

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#35 May 4, 2012
Naman wrote:
Well, I should add one more point: All too many Muslims do not know the difference between f.x. a coincidence, a possibility, a probability, perhaps, etc. and a proof. When they like something, it very quickly is "transformed" to a claimed proof.
"A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclution".
F.x. not one of the "signs" or "proofs" for Allah in the Quran is a valid one, because Muhammad never first proved it really was Allah who was behind the natural phenomena, etc. he claimed were proofs/signs for Allah. Not one.
http://www.1000mistakes.com
http://www.1000quran-comment.com
high clown finding even one error in quran is fare from your dreams haha

your friends tried before here too much and they got shutted

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TP8...

pick the fattest questions in that site and post it here and i will show you how things going xd

wanna read lies and false thing go read your bible

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#36 May 4, 2012
more questions from my last debates

God ordered his prophet to eat the shit that comes from humans and then he sent his mercy and ordered him to eat the shit of cow rofl!
Eze:4:12: And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
Eze:4:13: And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
Eze:4:14: Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
Eze:4:15: Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith

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Do god in your bible fair and he judge everyone according what everyone does?
M't:16:27: For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
The answer is no god gets his revenge from sinners and their third and fourth generation
Ex:20:5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Ex:34:7: Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

De:5:9: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

The answer is yes god is fair!
Eze:18:1: The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
Eze:18:2: What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Eze:18:3: As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Eze:18:4: Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Eze:18:5: But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
Eze:18:6: And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,

continue in the next post

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#37 May 4, 2012
Eze:18:7: And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
Eze:18:8: He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
Eze:18:9: Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze:18:10: If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
Eze:18:11: And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
Eze:18:12: Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
Eze:18:13: Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
Eze:18:14: Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
Eze:18:15: That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
Eze:18:16: Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
Eze:18:17: That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
Eze:18:18: As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
Eze:18:19: Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Eze:18:20: The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze:18:21: But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze:18:22: All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
Eze:18:23: Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze:18:24: But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
Eze:18:25: Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
Eze:18:26: When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Eze:18:27: Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze:18:28: Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#38 May 4, 2012
God rent a used razor to shave his hair looooooooooooool!

Isa:7:20: In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.
Lmao from who god rent that used razor? And are god that poor? He can't buy a new razor to avoid the spread of disease?

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Who is the father of zakria?
He is son of Jehoiada the priest according to
2Ch:24:20: And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you.
Or he is son of son of Barachias according to
M't:23:35: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

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Do you Christians and jews accept to describe that satan is more honest than god?

God told Adam that he will die if he ate from tree
Ge:2:16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Ge:2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
But the honest satan said!
Ge:3:1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Ge:3:2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Ge:3:3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Ge:3:4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Ge:3:5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Ge:3:6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Ge:3:7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
And this how a god lied and how a satan was more honest lmao!

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Did Saul ask god something?

The answer is yes according to
1Sa:28:6: And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

The answer is no according to

1Ch:10:13: So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
1Ch:10:14: And enquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.

Since: Jun 11

Egypt

#39 May 4, 2012
What is the judgment of aunt marriage?
Le:18:12: Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.

Lmao but Prophet Moses father married his aunt and she gave Prophet Aaron and Moses

Ex:6:20: And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years.

So your bible want to tell us that prophet moses and aaron are a result from a banned marriage lmao!

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How great Prophet Abraham married his sister while this marriage is banned according to your bible?
Ge:20:12: And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

Didn't your bible say?

Le:18:9: The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

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What is the number of prophet david between his brothers?

He is son number 7 according to
1Ch:2:13: And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third,
1Ch:2:14: Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth,
1Ch:2:15: Ozem the sixth, David the seventh:

He is son number 8 according to

1Sa:16:10: Again, Jesse made seven of his sons to pass before Samuel. And Samuel said unto Jesse, The LORD hath not chosen these.

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What is the name of Caleb father?
His name is Jephunneh according to
Jos:14:6: Then the children of Judah came unto Joshua in Gilgal: and Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite said unto him, Thou knowest the thing that the LORD said unto Moses the man of God concerning me and thee in Kadesh-barnea.
His name is Hezron according to
1Ch:2:18: And Caleb the son of Hezron begat children of Azubah his wife, and of Jerioth: her sons are these; Jesher, and Shobab, and Ardon.
His name is Hur according to
1Ch:2:50: These were the sons of Caleb the son of Hur, the firstborn of Ephratah; Shobal the father of Kirjath-jearim,

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The first sentence in bible is corrupted? Did go created one heaven or he created more than one heaven?
Ge:1:1: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Look at the corruption between the different version of bible

Im Anfang schuf Gott den Himmel und die Erde.(Schlachter) single
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.(World eng.) more than 1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.(Webster 1833) single
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.(RSV) more than one
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.(KJV) single
In the beginning God created[1] the heavens and the earth.(NLT) more than one
in principio creavit Deus caelum et terram.(Vulgata) single

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lol can we squeeze liquids?

How can you squeeze milk while he is from liquids lmao
Proverb:30:33: Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood: so the forcing of wrath bringeth forth strife.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#40 May 4, 2012
marine_engineer_h0ssam wrote:
<quoted text>
instead of changing the subject why you don't try to answer some questions instead this
My Dear Muslim:
Are you insane?
This question needs to be asked and answered ny muslim-"Why are muslims still savages after haveing the knowledge of the Quran given to them by Mohammed"?

Why are muslims still murdering each other over the differences of their religious beliefs?

The rest of the other religions have become civilized people through the teachings of their holy books, yet Muslims are still savages from the teachings of mohammeds teachings in their holy book the Quran.

Is it because Mohammed teaches muslims in the Quran to be savages?

One would think that with all that teaching about allah, all muslims would be the example of holines, yet muslims are still savages killimg each other over their own religious beliefs.

Why are muslims still savages?

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