Mis-understanding Islam?
george whyte

Alford, UK

#1031 Apr 25, 2013
Dr.Naik( is banned from the uk becouse hes a hate preacher..lolol bad exsample
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1032 Apr 25, 2013
Mengal

Evidence that Mohammad(saw) is nothing but Prophet.

Is not it convincing a human to bow a man who claim that Quran is from the side of creator. Is not it, this is evidence of this that Mohammad is nothing but a prophet, Mohammad (saw) in 23 years whatever said in sermons,talks.meetings,with wives, tribal persons, jews, Christians, in dark nights, caves in kaba in Yasrab Madina till his final breath that he rehearsed before his death in final month of Ramzan in taraweeh prayer that is called Quran. please go from one end of human to last End show me one person who being leader 23 year back say one verse or word and repeatedly telling 23 years this he than altogether remember and which becomes a complete code of life without change of single dot. Admittedly this Quran completely at one time did not written or presented before the world but this was initially in a movement started with some verses and where after this movement or teachings extended into a time period of 23 (Twenty three years) as a reformatory way consisting upon single verses or more than that according to the needs of the people. Some time this message was presented in a shape of short and many times in long addresses, however after completion of twenty three years on collection or compilation of all material consisting on verses, synopses, addresses, admonitions, warnings, glade tidings, laws, principles, information's, become a unique work, or message connected and interlinked with each other, so perfectly without any slightest contradictions like a thread of pearls.

The very verse presented back 23 (twenty three years) so fits in the schemes or work perfectly beautifully which indicating that the author of the work had full knowledge in advance for the whole scheme teachings or message. And in any place or time what were the occasion and circumstances the message did not remained in dark from his eye sight. He never sought in his idea or replaced, modified or forget the teachings which he delivered or presented in the past 23 (twenty three Years)

Thus being so if any person of this caliber any where appears or exist let the world pointed out or shows the same. Again amazingly an encyclopedia like book having 100 (Hundred) and 1000 (Thousands) of different topics subjects on completion of mission rehearsed remembered by the Prophet and same was presented in Taraweeh Prayers just before his death.
george whyte

Alford, UK

#1033 Apr 25, 2013
Mengal.. post5 the full verse you deceiving,,,you been decieving people
george whyte

Alford, UK

#1034 Apr 25, 2013
Mengal. caught decieving people again..

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1036 Apr 26, 2013
who="george whyte"]<quoted text>post the full verse you deciever...

Mengal,

Dear that is full verse however the context and verse no has not been mentioned as such you have been able to create doubt, the full text please you could see soon on this thread.
george whyte

Barking, UK

#1037 Apr 26, 2013
post the full verse you deciever
george whyte

Barking, UK

#1038 Apr 26, 2013
george whyte wrote:
Mengal. caught decieving people again..
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
mengal your decieving people
george whyte

Barking, UK

#1039 Apr 26, 2013
i noticed you never give the verse number so nobody can check....you deciever
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1041 Apr 28, 2013
who="Qadir mengal"]What say Qadir Mengal in reply to these two Atheists, Igore trip and Dear to doubt,please go to thread (Qadir Mengal Miss understainding Islam) and find reply on page37.
DEAR TO DOUBT----------
The world changed but people didn’t. My last horse died a century ago and I now drive a car. We----------
We filled our houses with all sorts of gadgets but our minds have not changed. My religious friend is still a believer.---------
I have read the Bible and the Quran and both are full of so many absurdities and mistakes, both logical and factual that there is no way they can be true. Islam is just the word of one man.
A real God could do a lot better than that.
who="Igor Trip"] text>
Please explain why I should not believe these are the rantings of a madman.
(Note the text of Quran has not been carried properly)
22:19 These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads,---------
44:43 Lo! the tree of Zaqqum,
44:44 The food of the sinner!
44:45 Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies
44:46 As the seething of boiling water.
44:47 (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell,
44:48 Then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water.
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(Those who interested in life of Mohammad as a prophet or other wise come and visit the thread” Qadir mengal Miss understanding islam”An important series about the life of Mohammad(saw) has started, from page 33 of topix this series will go number wise just as 1 (2) 3 … along with mentioning the thread number where the series is located. So as Qadir mengal also (insha Allah) will give you the answers about your questions and Queries about islam on this thread if you questioned him about islam.
Note-Post no, 1,2,3,4,5,6,of this series have come on page 33 of Miss understanding islam, while post number 7,8,9,9-a,and10,11,to 18 have appeared on page no, 34 of this thread i,e miss understanding islam so as post no 19 and 20 and others have appeared on page 35 of this thread kindly follow a head.) Also see Hold brook Accepted Islam
Mengal.
Due to electicity the reply could not send as such please please observe it on thread miss understanding Islam By Qadir Mengal on page-44.Again here in below i am giving the reply.
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1042 Apr 28, 2013
Mengal

Dear="Igor Trip

This is complete text kindly after reading it express your views, if i was able to help you it would be honor for me, otherwise As according to Quran , there is no any compulsion in religion Allah has clear the truth from falsehood so it is up to you either accept the truth or go behind falsehood I have observed most of the

Atheist think and treat the Lord of universe like a human, And so freely criticism Him just as one of his servant, that why Allah created heaven and enticed the believers for every thing including spouses of equal age, And what a creator, who for his own disobedience has created place such as Hell Fire, and fixed punishment like that you have mentioned herein above,.

Dear i do not understand how to give you sense of understanding to know the position and status and power of that Creator. I am person of average understanding, but I question you that my car is in the porch of my house and i am sole owner of the same, it is a beautiful car, but i do hate to see it running on road, and just now putting it on fire, result is that it turns in to ashes, please tell me who you are the one to question me for my this act?, and what harm this poor car receive me which i did with it, for its unjustified burning?

Let, I give you another example to make you understand your position. I think it is more near to answer your objections and your Atheist brothers.

Some time back I visited a unit or factory where Fiat Tractors were assembling, my friend who was General Manager of that Unit, He took me to show me the workshop where body of enjoins of Tractors were preparing, First he took me site where Raw material in shape of heap was dumping or unloading, that material was in shape of soil and sand than shifting into boilers where all this material for a particular degree was milting and changing in to melting iron water, where after this milting iron were pouring in to baskets and shift to an other section where this melted iron pour in to Moulds of tractor Engine and where after shifted to cold section from where it were drop to a trolley and brought in testing or inspection unit where the qualified inspectors after examination pass it to fit for fitting as Tractor Engine, There were also many rejected Engines which due to some defect were not completely come in good condition as which could not fit and run the Tractor, So my Friend told me that these bodies of engine does not serve the purpose for which they were pour in to mold, though these Engine bodies are engines for all respect, but due to minor fault same cannot use as Engine. These defected Engines once again shift to melting center and once again these would burn ,melt than come back until same come in good condition to be accept able,

Dear now tell me whether this defective engines could agitate that why they shifting back to that fire , the agony of that fire they already along with his badge(colleague) has/have suffered and if this defective engine Agitate, than what it could harm the project director?, Thus Dear you like that Tractor Engine was created By creator for a particular purpose and if you being defective not serve that purpose than you definitely as has been held by the creator to go Hell Fire and your agitation would give you no any benefit.
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1043 Apr 28, 2013
As Quran tells very clearly that your purpose of creation is nothing but to serve the creator, when you being defective do not fulfill his duty than go to Hell Fire for ever. So who are you to challenge your creator, whom having power to born you thousands time and kill you thousands time, burn you thousands time and re-create you thousands time, your at most having only one reasonable objection that there is no any creator, Than wait, life is not so long and charming that one boast for ever, whereas fifty to sixty years of life pass, so hurriedly like a blink of an eye, if you want to amend yourself, than I on this thread( Mis-understanding Islam) have placed enough material to guide you towards the truth. and also already expressed that one should not be an Atheist and he should adopt a religion after thoroughly examining all religions to satisfy that it is the correct religion and he has not made mistake in selection of truthful and right religion.
george whyte

Boston, UK

#1044 Apr 28, 2013
mengal post the full verse you deciever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1045 Apr 28, 2013
who="Uncut Boy"]Mengal
Quetta, Pakistan
What is a Jinn ?

Mengal,

Dear Uncut Boy=

Dear According to islam or Quran,Allah has created initially Angles and Jinn, where as Satan is from Jinn and has been raised from Fire. This creature like Man given independent free will either live in good way or adopt the evil way , Jinn like man is accountable before lord for his acts and as for as my limited islamic knowledge will go either to paradise or after doing bad deeds will go Hellfire. On contrary The Angels have not given free will, They are bound to Cary only the Will of Allah and having no power to think any thing else but that what he has been ordained.
The Man is Last creature of Allah when Allah decided to create His vicegerent on Earth or in this world, And this was disclosed to Jinn (Satan ) and Angels, Angels told ,O lord what is necessity to create Man ,However Allah told them that whatever He knows You do not know, when Adam(man) was created Allah ask the Angles and Satan who belongs from Jinn to prostrate before the Man or Adam, So Angels prostrate but Satan refused on account of that he is more respectable than Man or Adam as he is created from Fire while Adm(man) is created from mud. as such this what i know from the teachings of Islam.
george whyte

Boston, UK

#1046 Apr 28, 2013
george whyte wrote:
mengal post the full verse you deciever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
well mengal

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1047 Apr 28, 2013
Mengal wrote:
As Quran tells very clearly that your purpose of creation is nothing but to serve the creator, when you being defective do not fulfill his duty than go to Hell Fire for ever. So who are you to challenge your creator, whom having power to born you thousands time and kill you thousands time, burn you thousands time and re-create you thousands time, your at most having only one reasonable objection that there is no any creator, Than wait, life is not so long and charming that one boast for ever, whereas fifty to sixty years of life pass, so hurriedly like a blink of an eye, if you want to amend yourself, than I on this thread( Mis-understanding Islam) have placed enough material to guide you towards the truth. and also already expressed that one should not be an Atheist and he should adopt a religion after thoroughly examining all religions to satisfy that it is the correct religion and he has not made mistake in selection of truthful and right religion.
Islam is the word of just one man, a man who said that if we believe him we will get virgins in paradise but if we don't we will burn in hell forever.
It's irrational to believe the word of just one man.

For proof we have a book heavy on rhetoric but shallow on evidence. A book that claims the sun sets in a murky spring, that stars are used as missiles against evil ones and that sperm grows into a clot. The inheritance laws don't add up and contradict themselves. The stories lack details like who, what, when and why. We are told that messengers were sent to all nations, yet they failed so totally that there's not a hint of them anywhere.

Despite these total failures do you really expect us to believe in your God?

A real God could have done better.
A real God wouldn't have such a bad ego problem.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#1048 Apr 28, 2013
Mengal wrote:
who="Uncut Boy"]Mengal
Quetta, Pakistan
What is a Jinn ?
Mengal,
Dear Uncut Boy=
Dear According to islam or Quran,Allah has created initially Angles and Jinn, where as Satan is from Jinn and has been raised from Fire. This creature like Man given independent free will either live in good way or adopt the evil way , Jinn like man is accountable before lord for his acts and as for as my limited islamic knowledge will go either to paradise or after doing bad deeds will go Hellfire. On contrary The Angels have not given free will, They are bound to Cary only the Will of Allah and having no power to think any thing else but that what he has been ordained.
The Man is Last creature of Allah when Allah decided to create His vicegerent on Earth or in this world, And this was disclosed to Jinn (Satan ) and Angels, Angels told ,O lord what is necessity to create Man ,However Allah told them that whatever He knows You do not know, when Adam(man) was created Allah ask the Angles and Satan who belongs from Jinn to prostrate before the Man or Adam, So Angels prostrate but Satan refused on account of that he is more respectable than Man or Adam as he is created from Fire while Adm(man) is created from mud. as such this what i know from the teachings of Islam.
Non-Muslims beware!
Quran inspires Muslim to commit murder for Muhammad.
Quran 9:30
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/05/quran...
Qadir Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1051 Apr 29, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
Islam is the word of just one man, a man who said that if we believe him we will get virgins in paradise but if we don't we will burn in hell forever.
It's irrational to believe the word of just one man.
For proof we have a book heavy on rhetoric but shallow on evidence. A book that claims the sun sets in a murky spring, that stars are used as missiles against evil ones and that sperm grows into a clot. The inheritance laws don't add up and contradict themselves. The stories lack details like who, what, when and why. We are told that messengers were sent to all nations, yet they failed so totally that there's not a hint of them anywhere.
Despite these total failures do you really expect us to believe in your God?
A real God could have done better.
A real God wouldn't have such a bad ego problem.

Mengal,

Dear Igore Trip,

Dear all the objections which you have pointed out are incorrect either you have not understand Quran or like all those who distort Quran verses and interpolate, Concocted stories from their own self then attribute it Quran that Quran says such and such, If you really want to know your reply please these Questions have been answered on thread Qadir Mengal Miss understanding Islam, As Quran is not memorized me by heart as such immediately is not possible to take the relevant verses and explain it in its true perspective, However it is not expected from you being scholar that you too take the way of those hatemongers, Only to this juncture I clarify that The Zulqarnain according to Quran went west to last end, a place where he saw the sun as sitting in murky waters.where the word sperm grows into a clot is nothing but a shameful concoction attribution to Quran,,Where as you know the worlds best embryology scientist or highest authority professor Keith Moore who lives Toronto in Canada He was informed that Quran has mentions the creation and development of child and its development stages in certain manner so after information he went and analyze the Quran statement and said as follow.,What ever the Quran mentions is perfectly right and whatever new data he got from the Quran,incorporated it in to his book. And he only on account of this accepted Islam saying it cannot be written by any human being,it has to be of divine origin, As regard.Your state ment is also false about stars being missile for Evils, However The Quran rejects the view of those Pagans that Satan's or Jinns bring Information to prophet or for those who are sooth Sayers ,Quran In this respect mentions that They are not allow to cross the present world towards Male-Aala, And if any Jinn or Satan do try he is prevented and even shooting star( SHAB) follow it.please do not distort go to keith moore ask from him who accepted truth.Mengal

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#1052 Apr 29, 2013
Qadir Mengal wrote:
Dear Igore Trip,
...Only to this juncture I clarify that The Zulqarnain according to Quran went west to last end, a place where he saw the sun as sitting in murky waters.
18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
http://quran.com/18/86

A real God would know you can't reach the setting place of the sun and would thus avoid such an obvious mistake.
The sea is not a spring and adding extra words in brackets won't change that.
Doesn't this place and its people have a name?
Qadir Mengal wrote:
where the word sperm grows into a clot is nothing but a shameful concoction attribution to Quran,,Where as you know the worlds best embryology scientist or highest authority professor Keith Moore who lives Toronto in Canada He was informed that Quran has mentions the creation and development of child and its development stages in certain manner so after information he went and analyze the Quran statement and said as follow.,What ever the Quran mentions is perfectly right and whatever new data he got from the Quran,incorporated it in to his book. And he only on account of this accepted Islam saying it cannot be written by any human being,it has to be of divine origin, As regard.
Professor Keith Moore has never converted to Islam.
He made his statements just as he was starting to work for the Saudi royal family.

23:13
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.
23:14
Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.
http://quran.com/23/11-17

Note this translation clearly says sperm and that the sperm becomes a clot.
Qadir Mengal wrote:
Your state ment is also false about stars being missile for Evils, However The Quran rejects the view of those Pagans that Satan's or Jinns bring Information to prophet or for those who are sooth Sayers ,Quran In this respect mentions that They are not allow to cross the present world towards Male-Aala, And if any Jinn or Satan do try he is prevented and even shooting star( SHAB) follow it.please do not distort go to keith moore ask from him who accepted truth.Mengal
67:5
And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.
http://quran.com/67/5

Ignore the word in brackets. This verse is clearly stating that stars are thrown at devils
Mokhammad

Madison Heights, MI

#1055 Apr 30, 2013
Islam is a Religion of Peace Hmmmm Lets see

The Myth:

Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense, and only when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.

The Truth:

There shouldn't be any argument over who the "true Muslim" is because the Quran clearly distinguishes the true Muslim from the pretender in Sura 9 and elsewhere. According to this - one of the last chapters of the Quran - the true believer "strives and fights with their wealth and persons" while the hypocrites are those who "sit at home," refusing to join the jihad against unbelievers in foreign lands.

In truth, Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not yet part of his growing empire.

After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together through blood and violence.

The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family soon turned on each other as well. There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his. Three of these four were murdered. The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first caliph. The fourth caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth caliph, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was brought to an end in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle (who was not even a Muslim).

Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.

Countd
Mokhammad

Madison Heights, MI

#1056 Apr 30, 2013
Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience. Muhammad explicitly held up both his favorite daughter and his favorite wife as model Muslim women, yet they were invoked respectively by each side in the violent civil war that followed his death. Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about?

Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.

Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.

By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa. Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery.

There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of God as does Islam. The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Quran most transparently. They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit. In the absence of true infidels, they will even turn on each other.

The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith, as well as the aforementioned "hypocrites" (Muslims who don't act like Muslims). In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Quran travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory). The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message. While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Quranic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation.

From the history of the faith to its most sacred writings, those who want to believe in "peaceful Islam" have a lot more to ignore than do the terrorists. By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known. In Islam there is no peace unless Muslims have power - and even then...

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