Mis-understanding Islam?

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1009 Apr 14, 2013
Qadir mengal wrote:
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a-Babies die, Islam says as for as i know though my Islamic knowledge is not perfect, However Allah saves them of toil of this world and they directly go in to Paradise, Again save the baby of that whose father already is lying in dark and lead this child to Helfire.
b- For muslim this child is test that whose father and mother in such cases whether be grate full or other wise.
c- Save the father to not go astray as the child on attaining Majority would lead parents to Dark and Helfire.
D-Tsunami has no such characteristic to do so, However The lord deal good and bad according to its deeds, Bad will go into Helfire and Good will be rewarded for paradise, As for drowning of all that is their destination and result of their own contribution where good too not show the light to the bad or prohibit him than they all suffer but on the day of judgement every one would be accountable for his own deeds.
As none of this is in the Quran and you haven't provided any hadiths either, I think we can all dismiss these as man made excuses.
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1010 Apr 14, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
As none of this is in the Quran and you haven't provided any hadiths either, I think we can all dismiss these as man made excuses.

Mengal

Dear Igor Trip,

I am not Hafizul- Quran(learnt by heart),Nor the Hafiz of Hadith,However Quran is not like Other worldly books which are arranged in sections chapters or subjects of one type, The Quran has revealed in 23 years according to needs and situation faced by Mohammed (saw), I assure you in above picture non is consisting on my own thought, However this picture or facts are from teachings of Quran and Hadith, for Example, in the story of Moses mentioned in Quran The Prophet Moses requested Lord, O my lord is there any one whom thy Lord has bestow knowledge more then me,Lord says to Moses(note Moses is only Prophet to whom lord talked,There why He is called Kalimullah, the one whom Lord talked) There are many my servants who having science or knowledge which you have not given,Moses request to show him one, As such story says, Moses met Khezar Prophet and then Moses requested him to accompany with him- Khezar gave him permission with condition, that what ever he do Moses will not Question him. Moses agreed---------- There were three occasion when Khezar prophet did something which Moses saw unjust, as such became angry and Questioned him, where upon Khezar prophet did not allow moses to further accompany with him, one of this story is this. Khezar came along with Moses in a city where some Yong boy was playing with other boys, this boy was extra ordinary beautiful, Khezar prophet call this boy and then without any cause beheaded him i,e killed him by sword.Moses became furious and Raised voice that what did, you wrongly without justification killed the boy. Here Khezar prophet told Him that as you broken his promise as such he did not take him along with him, However, the Parents of this boy are pious one and Allah wants to start a line of Prophet from this spouses, But on coming in majority this boy would lead their parents to become astray, As such Allah direct him to kill this boy, After killing this boy an other child Allah give this spouses as such who lead parents and whole nation to Paradise where from his progeny a line of prophets to come, So dear some times dieing of baby save the parent6s from Hellfire and he himself go to Paradise. in case this boy would left by lord the boy himself would be in Hellfire and also lead his parents to Hellfire.

Thus what ever I have stated in above same having back of Quran and Hadith please Igor Trip we being preacher of Islam, How say one thing from their own, when same is a sin not forgivable before Lord.
george whyte

Grimsby, UK

#1011 Apr 14, 2013
Mengal.. have you any idea how sick that sounds to normal people

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#1012 Apr 14, 2013
Mengal wrote:
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
As none of this is in the Quran and you haven't provided any hadiths either, I think we can all dismiss these as man made excuses.
Mengal
Dear Igor Trip,
I am not Hafizul- Quran(learnt by heart),Nor the Hafiz of Hadith,However Quran is not like Other worldly books which are arranged in sections chapters or subjects of one type, The Quran has revealed in 23 years according to needs and situation faced by Mohammed (saw), I assure you in above picture non is consisting on my own thought, However this picture or facts are from teachings of Quran and Hadith, for Example, in the story of Moses mentioned in Quran The Prophet Moses requested Lord, O my lord is there any one whom thy Lord has bestow knowledge more then me,Lord says to Moses(note Moses is only Prophet to whom lord talked,There why He is called Kalimullah, the one whom Lord talked) There are many my servants who having science or knowledge which you have not given,Moses request to show him one, As such story says, Moses met Khezar Prophet and then Moses requested him to accompany with him- Khezar gave him permission with condition, that what ever he do Moses will not Question him. Moses agreed---------- There were three occasion when Khezar prophet did something which Moses saw unjust, as such became angry and Questioned him, where upon Khezar prophet did not allow moses to further accompany with him, one of this story is this. Khezar came along with Moses in a city where some Yong boy was playing with other boys, this boy was extra ordinary beautiful, Khezar prophet call this boy and then without any cause beheaded him i,e killed him by sword.Moses became furious and Raised voice that what did, you wrongly without justification killed the boy. Here Khezar prophet told Him that as you broken his promise as such he did not take him along with him, However, the Parents of this boy are pious one and Allah wants to start a line of Prophet from this spouses, But on coming in majority this boy would lead their parents to become astray, As such Allah direct him to kill this boy, After killing this boy an other child Allah give this spouses as such who lead parents and whole nation to Paradise where from his progeny a line of prophets to come, So dear some times dieing of baby save the parent6s from Hellfire and he himself go to Paradise. in case this boy would left by lord the boy himself would be in Hellfire and also lead his parents to Hellfire.
Thus what ever I have stated in above same having back of Quran and Hadith please Igor Trip we being preacher of Islam, How say one thing from their own, when same is a sin not forgivable before Lord.
The whole explanation:
[18.80] And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:
[18.81] So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place one better than him in purity and nearer to having compassion.

There's nothing there about the boys parents being a line of prophets. Please don't embellish the Quran.

Considering just how many children are disobedient and ungrateful yet live the story doesn't work.
Qadir mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#1013 Apr 15, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
The whole explanation:
[18.80] And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:
[18.81] So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place one better than him in purity and nearer to having compassion.
There's nothing there about the boys parents being a line of prophets. Please don't embellish the Quran.
Considering just how many children are disobedient and ungrateful yet live the story doesn't work.

Mengal

Dear Igor Trip,
Primafacie you are more accessible to Quran than me,As you immediately has traced out concerned verses of Quran .However Dear Hadith is commentary of Quran from where you will find the full details, As in many cases Quran simply refer a fact but detail you will find in the tradition of Prophet or Hadith, So just assure I am not a scholar to give or bring any thing of my own,This is Hadith that all children of nonbelievers who die as child will inter in to Paradise. As according to Hadith all who born initially are Muslims but later on their parents help them to become Jews or christian or Atheists or the circumstances in which they live they make blind them to see the truth despite of all faculties which Allah has bestow them as such of Hearing ,seeing Observing and wisdom.
Qadir mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#1014 Apr 15, 2013
who="george whyte"]Mengal.. have you any idea how sick that sounds to normal people,

Mengal

Dear george whyte,

Would you please explain the meaning of your Question as i am not understanding it?
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#1016 Apr 15, 2013
QUOTE who="Not quite"]<quoted text>
Can you please give definitions for following terms: 1) worship, and 2) what happens in Muslim hell? Is Topix part of the Muslim hell? no, seriously -- what do Muslims believe by the Koran happens if a person goes to judgment hell. Let me know, thanks.

Mengal

1-[Worship---Literally means adoration and admiration of any one, However in Muslim terminology to bow ,obey ,render to services to a body, thinks all his prophet and loss from him and in this connection put his petitions before Him, and treat the same sole object E.tC.E.T.c—

2-Muslim burns Hell Fire for his bad deeds untell Allah forgive him and take him out from Hell Fire,

3- yes a big part of Muslims go to Hell fire, and serve the sentence of his bad deeds.

4-According to Quran if a Muslim make partner to Allah and believe any other entity like him in deeds and actions. This is called SHRIK, and this sin is not forgivable, and it is like that who Reject Allah and not believe Him or having no faith at all. This muslim like an unbeliever burn for ever and Allah does not for give this muslim for ever for his doing SHARK or making Partner with Allah.

6- The other all Muslims who did not commit SHARIK, but committed sins like murder, theft Dacoit and such like bad deeds they go to Hell Fire for their deeds and burn there , untell a stage comes these bad muslims Allah due to their faith to Allah take them out and send them to Garden. While the rest of All muslims who did good deeds and obeyed Allah they directly go to Garden.-

6- All non believers go to Hell Fire for ever and no mercy for them who intentionally reject the Allah and worship other Deities despite of warning by Messengers of Allah the creator.
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#1017 Apr 15, 2013
who="SANTA-BANTA"] <quoted text>
Qadir You are a good human being and I surely don't want to offend you. I have read translations of quran but I never found any merit in them.You can say your allah has sealed my heart. All your arguments can be easily replied and refuted, but this thing has become really tedious and boring. May be some other time.
Take care.

[Mengal

Dear SANTA_BANTA
i never tell for you, Allah has sealed your heart. Allah does not seal such like hearts and one day Allah opens their heart for Islam. however if Allah wants to give favor any one then give him understanding of Islam, Allah only seals the heart of Arrogant and boaster, Allah dislike and hate who is Arrogant. Yes i understand your problem like you once yooo of rassia also put such material And i gave him answer, So i once again put the said material for your consideration, Please one thing note Allah has no eager that you obey him or worship him . It is only for your own benefit, one thing is clear that a good mulim go to Garden and bad muslim go Hell Fire but at any stage on account of their faith a bad muslim would be taken out and send to Garden but in case of Nonbeliever he permanently go to Hell Fire And Allah has no mercy for this person, And Allah do not care of this little creature.which He too His own hand fashioned.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#1018 Apr 15, 2013
Qadir mengal wrote:
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
The whole explanation:
[18.80] And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:
[18.81] So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place one better than him in purity and nearer to having compassion.
There's nothing there about the boys parents being a line of prophets. Please don't embellish the Quran.
Considering just how many children are disobedient and ungrateful yet live the story doesn't work.
Mengal
Dear Igor Trip,
Primafacie you are more accessible to Quran than me,As you immediately has traced out concerned verses of Quran .However Dear Hadith is commentary of Quran from where you will find the full details, As in many cases Quran simply refer a fact but detail you will find in the tradition of Prophet or Hadith, So just assure I am not a scholar to give or bring any thing of my own,This is Hadith that all children of nonbelievers who die as child will inter in to Paradise. As according to Hadith all who born initially are Muslims but later on their parents help them to become Jews or christian or Atheists or the circumstances in which they live they make blind them to see the truth despite of all faculties which Allah has bestow them as such of Hearing ,seeing Observing and wisdom.
Important issues such as what happens to children when they die should be in the Quran, not hadiths written down a hundred or more years later.
How do we know these hadiths weren't invented by muslims to fill in the gaps in the Quran?

And do you actually have these hadiths so we can read them?
george whyte

Barking, UK

#1019 Apr 15, 2013
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#1020 Apr 16, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
Important issues such as what happens to children when they die should be in the Quran, not hadiths written down a hundred or more years later.
How do we know these hadiths weren't invented by muslims to fill in the gaps in the Quran?
And do you actually have these hadiths so we can read them?

Mengal,

Dear Igor Trip,

The early Muslims adopted a proper science to find out that any particular HATITH IS POOR, FALSE OR WEAK IN THIS RESPECT LAY DOWN THE FOUNDATION OF SCIENCE OF iSME-rEJAL,

however Insha Allah I do my best to bring the Hadith on this point however it would take timeto find out.
Shamreeza

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1022 Apr 20, 2013
Sir excellent work. Keep it up. With prayers

“Evil Atheist :-)”

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#1023 Apr 20, 2013
Mengal wrote:
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
Important issues such as what happens to children when they die should be in the Quran, not hadiths written down a hundred or more years later.
How do we know these hadiths weren't invented by muslims to fill in the gaps in the Quran?
And do you actually have these hadiths so we can read them?
Mengal,
Dear Igor Trip,
The early Muslims adopted a proper science to find out that any particular HATITH IS POOR, FALSE OR WEAK IN THIS RESPECT LAY DOWN THE FOUNDATION OF SCIENCE OF iSME-rEJAL,
however Insha Allah I do my best to bring the Hadith on this point however it would take timeto find out.
The 'science of hadiths' is always going to be little more than guess work based on intuition rather than hard evidence.

And important issues such as what happens to children when they die should be in the Quran not a man made book. It's not as though the Quran doesn't discuss the afterlife enough, it's on nearly every other page.
Shamreeza

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1024 Apr 21, 2013
Sir, Boston bombing debate is in air and a debate is going on in west that in Islam blowing up crowds of people is permissible for "defense of Islam." In fact West wants to prove that Islam is a different from other religions which allow mass innocent killing. they emphasis that No other major religion sanctifies the mass murder of civilians and calls it holy war.Could you please clarify.

Since: Apr 11

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#1025 Apr 21, 2013
Shamreeza wrote:
Sir, Boston bombing debate is in air and a debate is going on in west that in Islam blowing up crowds of people is permissible for "defense of Islam." In fact West wants to prove that Islam is a different from other religions which allow mass innocent killing. they emphasis that No other major religion sanctifies the mass murder of civilians and calls it holy war.Could you please clarify.
Is Jihad against the infidels that reject Muhammad as prophet approved by God?
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1026 Apr 25, 2013
who="Shamreeza"]Sir, Boston bombing debate is in air and a debate is going on in west that in Islam blowing up crowds of people is permissible for "defense of Islam." In fact West wants to prove that Islam is a different from other religions which allow mass innocent killing. they emphasis that No other major religion sanctifies the mass murder of civilians and calls it holy war.Could you please clarify.

Mengal

Dear Shamreeza,

The criticism of west based on dishonesty, west has lost all values so as religion of Christianity being distorted further has aggravated the situation, west is fearing quick advance of islam otherwise islam has no Nexis with killing of innocent people, Presently most of incidents happening in islamic world are result of western financing, please if you wanted know the real position then follow the below posts,
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1027 Apr 25, 2013
Qadir Mengal

Dear Shamreeza,

Some time back Dr.Naik( Indian Muslim Scholar) was giving lecture on Islam when a Lady ask him, that as per our observation to Muslims we see them terrorist and killers so would not that Islam teaches the Muslim to kill or terrorize the people, He the dr.Naik replied her, please you also read it,

Admittedly the car BMW is almost is one of the most expensive and reliable car in the world. However if any one give this car to a unskilled driver and he hits it some where at any wall or pool, Than you start to criticize the car, it definitely would be un just, because there was no mistake of car but mistake was with driver who do not know to driving, similarly Islam is religion of peace and its also name is peace but what about the muslim who do not know islam and his all eduction is from west as such he is only namesake muslim so please do not blame islam but blame the Muslim. The teachings of Islam or Quran or that,

"Who ever killed any person without any cause except in exchange of life or spreading mischievous in land Though as he killed the whole man kind,And one who saved a life though as he saved the whole human kind"

Dear this is the teachings of Islam, Again Islam declares all the human kind as brothers to each other, because the human is progeny of single father and mother they are called Adam and
Mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#1028 Apr 25, 2013
What are natural Laws touching the Islamic view.

creator of universe has set rules for His creation and following that rules called natural laws. For example sun has to give constantly light and run in a part5icular orbit or circle. and the Air has to live on certain planet to become survival of his some creatures and to take clouds from one end to shower it to other end as such air runs on a course and give particular duty, this is natural law. however Creator in the end to show His Majesty created an entity that is human being ,giving Him from His knowledge to rule on universe as a His vicegerent, and than gave all the creatures including universal and heavenly bodies his control to submit, be giving thanks to His creator. The man according to Quran made accountable for his actions and was bound to Cary certain rules to save him from certain disturbances and also make him liable to get award in his next life either go to paradise or Hell fire, For example the nature and instinct of human to Cary his progeny through sex,But only through contract of marriage so who ever breaks this rule who dist-rib the natural law which prescribes for Him. In other words all rules regulations which are made for human being called natural law so who ever breaks this who breaks natural law and opens the door for disturbance and cahous.
george whyte

Alford, UK

#1029 Apr 25, 2013
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.I...
george whyte

Alford, UK

#1030 Apr 25, 2013
Mengal wrote:
Qadir Mengal

"Who ever killed any person without any cause except in exchange of life or spreading mischievous in land Though as he killed the whole man kind,And one who saved a life though as he saved the whole human kind"
post the full verse you deciever...

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