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#909 Feb 27, 2013
How did they fail with close to 5 billion followers to date?
How many atheists are there.
Hint... atheists about 2.3%.
george whyte

Malton, UK

#910 Feb 27, 2013
what am i mis understanding....

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2013.02.27 (Kidal, Mali)- At least seven people are killed by a suicide bomber.
2013.02.26 (Mardan, Pakistan)- Muslim radicals gun down a guard for a polio vaccination team.
2013.02.25 (Gedo, Somalia)- Sharia advocates walk into a restaurant and gun down two officials having lunch.
2013.02.25 (Shikarpur, Pakistan)- Sunnis bomb a Sufi shrine, killing two worshippers.
2013.02.24 (Gulak, Nigeria)- Boko Haram slit a man's throat in front of his wife and children.
2013.02.24 (Fika, Nigeria)- Islamists rampage through a Christian village, killing five people in attacks that included a church.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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#911 Feb 27, 2013
Read george and get educated.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

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#912 Feb 27, 2013
Timesten wrote:
How did they fail with close to 5 billion followers to date?
How many atheists are there.
Hint... atheists about 2.3%.
5 billion followers of Different faiths!

The Abrahamic faiths are due to very few prophets but many missionaries.

Your God couldn't even prevent Jesus's message being "corrupted" and St Paul creating the biggest religion in the world and then you expect me to believe in him?

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#913 Feb 27, 2013
Timesten wrote:
Read george and get educated.
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...
Al-qaeda confess to Al-Jazeera that they organised 911

http://www.tbsjournal.com/Archives/Fall02/Fou...

"Then with very little fanfare Khalid introduced himself as head of the so-called Al-Qa'ida military committee and Ramzi as coordinator of the 9/11 operation - which they would describe either as "the Holy Tuesday operation" or "the Martyrs' Operation" or the "Manhattan and Washington Raids" using the old Arabic word ghazwa used at the time of the Prophet, to describe raids against enemies which were like modern-day commando operations. "

"According to Ramzi, the council consisted of the four pilots as well as Khalid al-Mihdar and Atta's deputy, Nawaf al-Hazema. According to Khalid, four reconnaissance units were sent to America in pairs or singles over the next five or six months. In the autumn of 2000, Atta entered the US to begin flying lessons in Venice, Florida, along with Marwan al-Shehhi who piloted the United Airlines plane that he crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center. Ziad Al-Jarrah was nearby in another training school and [Hani] Hanjur, already a trained pilot, was undergoing further training in Arizona. Ramzi told me that a decision was taken not to put them all in the same flight school. The idea was to keep contact to a minimum. "

The Al-Jazeera Documentary by Yosri Fouda

The Road to September 11

http://uk.youtube.com/watch...

&fm t=18
george whyte

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#915 Feb 27, 2013
The evolution of the 9/11 conspiracy theories
Al-Qaeda has accused Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of spreading "conspiracy theories" about the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

Inspire, an al-Qaeda-linked online magazine, described Mr Ahmadinejad's controversial speech to the United Nations last week as "ridiculous".

The Iranian leader said he believed the World Trade Center towers could not have been brought down by aircraft.

The article said such a belief "stands in the face of all logic and evidence".

Entitled "Iran and the Conspiracy Theories", the Inspire article said Iran used the theory "as a rallying call for the millions of Muslims around the world who despise America".

Iran "is a collaborator with the US when it suits it" nonetheless, the Yemen-based author said.

There have been sharp sectarian tensions between mainly Shia Iran and Sunni Muslim al-Qaeda - although are both fiercely opposed to US influence.

Mr Ahmadinejad's speech last Thursday triggered a walkout from the General Assembly by diplomats from more than 30 countries.

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#916 Feb 27, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
Al-qaeda confess to Al-Jazeera that they organised 911
http://www.tbsjournal.com/Archives/Fall02/Fou...
It has already been proven to be a fabricated doc.

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#917 Feb 27, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
5 billion followers of Different faiths!
The Abrahamic faiths are due to very few prophets but many missionaries.
Your God couldn't even prevent Jesus's message being "corrupted" and St Paul creating the biggest religion in the world and then you expect me to believe in him?
God created all the faiths Choose one and obey it Or be like myself adhere to all of them without joining any of them. What denomination was Noah Abraham or Isaac?

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#918 Feb 27, 2013
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text>
God created all the faiths Choose one and obey it Or be like myself adhere to all of them without joining any of them. What denomination was Noah Abraham or Isaac?
Wrong!
Muslims don't get it.
They are ignorant of what the OT, NT, Gods Holy Bible is all about.

We were made by God for God so that we may know God and love God.
God calls us to Himself by His love for us.

The problem is that Muslims don't have the spirit of God in them.
Muslims have the spirit of Muhammad in side of them.

Muhammad demanded every one obey him as prophet of his own religion.
"Believe Me" or I will kill you.
That is not the spirit of God.

God is not a religion.
Islam is a religion.

Christianity is not a religion.
Christianity is the relationship with God as our Father guiding us through this world into being with Him in His heavenly Kingdom.

God being invisible and unapproachable in his own state of Being, in wanting to have communion with us, who made us in His own image of Himself, found it necessary in order to have communion with us, His created, revealed Himself to us through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

Through our belief in Jesus Christ, Gods Son, Christians become children of God and belong to God as family members of Gods family.

Muhammad created his own religion, and forced Arabs to become members of his tribal god family, of which Muhammad is the father of his own religion.

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#919 Feb 27, 2013
All youi haters are Mis-understanding Islam.

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#920 Feb 27, 2013
Shamma wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!
Muslims don't get it.
They are ignorant of what the OT, NT, Gods Holy Bible is all about.
We were made by God for God so that we may know God and love God.
Read..
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

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#921 Feb 27, 2013
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text>
It has already been proven to be a fabricated doc.
Al Jazeera fabricated a doc? You are delusional.

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#922 Feb 27, 2013
Timesten wrote:
<quoted text>
God created all the faiths Choose one and obey it Or be like myself adhere to all of them without joining any of them. What denomination was Noah Abraham or Isaac?
God created contradictory faiths, many of which preach hate to all the others?

There's no evidence for either Noah or Abraham existing. Isaac never talks about an afterlife so he wasn't Muslim.
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#923 Feb 27, 2013
GUIDANCE AND ROAD TO LIGHT AND SALVATION

Dear fellow brothers, as you all know and perceive that life of this world is transitory and one day each of us has to left this world, and than face to a situation for which almost we all having different views, ideas or concepts. It is also a fact that out of us every one has clung to his own ideology, concept or religion. Every one of us claims to himself on right path. Question is not that who, out of us is on right path, but question is this that some of the religions claim that whoever rejects its teaching he surely misses the goal for ever and his abode to next life would be Hell fire for ever. I have taken in to consideration almost all concepts vis- a- vis Religions and in this regard having a conclusive or definite opinion, however, if, I do suggest or advise you being fellow brother than your decision surely would be re-active or would be negative, so in this way I would be responsible to make you further away from truth, light and salvation. There fore a Eight (8) point clue as a food thought, I do give below being your well-wisher to see your success to find the light, truth and be entitle for salvation.

1-Admittedly truth satisfies the conscience and mind, while false and evil leads to perplexity and uneasiness, As such follow the way which gives you satisfaction and leave the way which throw you in doubt and perplex.
2-Analyse his own belief, dogma and notion in contrast of his fellow creatures, resolve the doubt and do not compromise with suspicions.

3-Do not be an Atheist, If tomorrow you really faced a situation for which a group of people, Messengers pointed out or gave information than you surely would be in utter loss a loss which could not be compensated. Thus try to find protection in a lap of any religion after analyzing its teachings.

4-Do not deceive your self and take the following questions seriously when you make any decision.

a- Is there a Deity or creator to whom human being is accountable?.

b- If, there does exist any such Deity or Power than whether He requires us to follow Him in particular way or otherwise?.

C-From where this intelligence and variety came and to whom pointing out?, Why a new born kid of goat despite of not attaining maturity and understanding took her mouth at the very moment after her born above to the nipples of her mother, and so as why a mouse on his first look at cat does not miss to treat her his enemy and without any loss of chance jumps away while does not fear to a goat or donkey on his first meeting?.

5-Give a critical attention to his own belief, whether there does appear any bulk reversion or conversion in it, If so than meet to these fellow religions’ question them about their conversion or reversion just to find the real cause or truth ..

6-Do not forget his own mortality, examine honestly and impartially the teachings of Major religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, and Judaism than do not miss to make a right decision in his own benefit..
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#924 Feb 27, 2013
7-Try to think properly and with correct notion, as there is thin line between right and wrong thinking, for example take a class of students and ask each of them what co lour he likes for his class room, The answer of each student definitely would be different. One would say green, one would say red answer of one would be blue and so on and every student in his choice would not compromise and think him not in correct, however an expert surely would suggest a co lour like white or similar to it on the ground that students requires proper light and dark color would not suited for a class room but to an x-ray room..
8- Do not think as asset your present success, where no any your fellow human lived for ever, try to know the real truth and object and get it, from where it comes, in your hand, as it is not sure that same lies in your own religion or concept.

Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#927 Feb 28, 2013
Mengal

Dear Shamma your above post only indicates that there are two Gods one Father and the other Jesus you quote=

(Jesus has two natures. Jesus was not denying that He was God. He was merely acknowledging the fact that He was also a man. Jesus is both God and man.)

Dear then where gone your concept of trinity and trune God?

Please come to the truth and help the human brothers to the true and one God, The God of You ,us and universe come we all to help our those brothers who on account of Christianities distorted illogical belief and claim has became Atheist and Quoting religion as illogical or UN-acceptable, come to the final message of God(Allah) Quran which is free from such defects and distortions, which is pure and authentic state,Come and tell the world that There is no God except The God who is one and only, who having no son nor He himself having father or mother, He is the power and self subsisting, He needs no help He has created universe and also created us of His vicegerent on earth to represent Thy Majesty, all this which is on earth is for us but we are not for other creatures except Allah, Allah made us and bestows us from his own knowledge to deal the affairs of world He from Adam till final prophet sent guidance through His books and prophets Adm was first prophet then Noah, Again Abraham And Moses and Jesus were nothing But mightiest Messengers of God, Please give up bias and Hold the rope of God that is Islam- Quran , Islam is not new religion it is same which plead Adam, Noah ,Abraham Jesus and Moses the your God is one who has created you, you will be accountable to Him for your deeds and after death you will be asked about your acts and result will either Paradise or Hellfire, let see what usman say about trinity,
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#928 Feb 28, 2013
A series about TRINITY by Usman KarachiUsmankhanb4u
Karachi, Pakist

Mary & Tri Unity
Christian missionaries for quite sometime have been saying that Muhammad(P)'misunderstood' the true concept of Trinity, i.e, which says the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit constitute the trinitarian godhead.

Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall in his book The Original Sources Of The Qur'an says under Muhammad's Misconception Of The Doctrine Of The Trinity.

...Muhammad heard certain Christians make that there are three Gods, that is to say God the Father, Mary, and Jesus. It is perfectly plain from these verses that Muhammad really did believe that the Christian doctrine inculcated belief in three separate Divine persons, Jesus and Mary being two of them. But our third quotation implies that Muhammad - probably from what he had seen of "Christian" worship - thought that the order was Jesus, Mary, God, or Mary, Jesus, God. No reasonable man will wonder at the indignation with which Muhammad in God's name abjures such blasphemy. We must all feel regret that the idolatrous worship offered to Mary led Muhammad to believe that people who called her "Queen of Heaven" and "Mother of God" really attributed to her Divine attributes.[1]

After a bit of Catholic-bashing, Tisdall laments:

Had he been taught that the doctrine of the Unity of God is the very foundation of the Christian faith, he might have become a Christian reformer. He can never have heard the true explanation of the doctrine of Trinity in Unity, otherwise he would have learnt that Christian theologians spoke of the Father not as "the Third of Three" but as the very "Fount of Deity".[2]

It is quite clear that Tisdall is pretty much aware of the famous heresies in Arabia during the advent of Islam. George Sale in the preliminary discourse to his translation of The Koran writes:

But, to be more particular as to the nation we are now writing of, Arabia was of old famous for heresies; which might be in some measure attributed to the liberty and independency of the tribes. Some of the Christians of that nation believed the soul died with the body, and was to be raised again with it at the last day: these Origen is said to have convinced. Among the Arabs it was that the heresies of Ebion, Beryllus, and the Nazareans, and also that of the Collyridians, were broached, or at least propagated; the latter introduced the Virgin Mary for God, or worshipped her as such offering her a sort of twisted cake called collyris, whence the sect had its name.

This notion of the divinity of the Virgin Mary was also believed by some at the Council of Nice, who said there were two gods besides the Father viz. Christ and the virgin Mary, and were thence named Mariamites. Others imagined her to be exempt from humanity, and deified; which goes but little beyond the popish superstition in calling her the complement of the Trinity, as if it were imperfect without her. This foolish imagination is justly condemned in the Koran as idolatrous, and gave a handle to Mohammed to attack the Trinity itself.[3]

Commenting on verse 4:171, George Sale says:

Namely, God, Jesus and Mary. For the eastern writers mention a sect of Christians which held the Trinity to be composed of those three; but it is allowed that this heresy has been long since extinct. The passage, however, is equally levelled against the Holy Trinity, according to the doctrine of the orthodox Christians, who, as Al Beidawi acknowledges, believe the divine nature to consist of three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; by the Father, understanding God's essence, by the Son, his knowledge, and by the Holy Ghost, his life.[4]

It is pretty clear that whether the 'Holy' Trinity composed of the Father, Jesus(P) and the Mary(P) or the Father, Jesus(P) and the Holy Spirit are equally condemned in the Qur'an. Any association of partners with the God is unacceptable.
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#930 Mar 2, 2013
W. M. Watt ponders in his book Muhammad At Medina:
One of the remarkable features of the relationship between Muslims and Christians is that neither Muhammad nor any of the Companions seems to have been aware of some of the fundamental Christian doctrines. Apart from the reference to the crucifixion (which is primarily a denial of Jewish claim), and the mention of the twelve apostles as the 'helpers' of Jesus, and of the miracles of healing and raising the dead, there is nothing in the Qur'an about the adult life and teaching of Jesus as recorded in the New Testament. The early Muslims gave Jesus the title Messiah (Masih) but did not appreciate that it involved a claim to be 'God's anointed'. They did not understand the distinctive work of Jesus in redeeming the world and atoning for its sins. They did not realize that the Holy Spirit was regarded by Christians as the third person in the Godhead. It is indeed remarkable that there should have been among the Muslims over such a wide area this absence of knowledge of Christianity. The blame for this state of affairs probably rests on those Christians with whom Muhammad and his Companions were in contact, who may themselves have had little appreciation of the doctrines mentioned. Nevertheless the 'absence of knowledge' remains, and in the thirteen centuries since Muhammad's time few Muslims have done anything to fill the lacuna.[7]
It is amazing that even Orientalists like Watt cannot come out of the 'true' Trinitarian doctrine and think of the infamous Christian heresies which were in Arabia during the advent of Islam.
Finally, it is quite clear that the doctrine of Trinity evolved and took its final shape nearly 350 years of CE. But before that:
Christianity in the second and third centuries was in a remarkable state of flux. To be sure, at no point in its history has the religion constituted a monolith. But the diverse manifestations of its first three hundred years - whether in terms of social structures, religious practices, or ideologies - have never been replicated.
Nowhere is this seen more clearly than in the realm of theology. In the second and third centuries there were, of course, Christians who believed in only one God; others, however, claimed that there were two Gods; yet others subscribed to 30, or 365, or more. Some Christians accepted the Hebrew Scriptures as a revelation of the one true God, the sacred possession of all believers; others claimed that the scriptures had been inspired by an evil deity. Some Christians believed that God had created the world and was soon going to redeem it; others said that God neither had created the world nor had ever had any dealings with it. Some Christians believed that Christ was somehow both a man and God; others said that he was a man, but not God; others claimed that he was God but not a man; others insisted that he was a man who had been temporarily inhabited by God. Some Christians believed that Christ's death had brought about the salvation of the world; others claimed that his death had no bearing on salvation; yet others alleged that he had never even died.[8]
So, in conclusion, there is no point calling the modern day trinitarian Christianity as 'true' Christianity and all others as 'false' since the evolution of this doctrine itself is very late. The early Christianity had bizarre beliefs about their doctrine as well as their Scriptures. Moreover the Jesus(P) and early Church Fathers were utterly unaware of this doctrine and they never practiced it. Would then the modern day 'true' Christianity brand them as heretics?
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#931 Mar 2, 2013
below part is taken from christian history site ... It is quite evident that the Gospels of Luke and James give us good grounding for the beginnings of an in depth study of Mary and her true identity.

As early as the 2nd century, Christians venerated Mary by calling her Mother of God. During the controversies of the 4th century concerning the divine and human natures of Jesus, the Greek title Theotókos (Mother of God) came to be used for Mary in devotional and theological writing. This suggests the divine nature of Mary and her true place within the Holy Trinity.

Closely related to the title Mother of God is the title Virgin Mary, affirming the virginal conception of Jesus (Luke 1:35). God, not Joseph, was the true father of Jesus. In the Marian devotion that developed in the East in the 4th century, Mary was venerated not only in the conception but also in the birth of Jesus. This conviction was expressed clearly in the 4th century, baptismal creeds of Cyprus, Syria, Palestine, and Armenia. The title used was Aieiparthenos (ever-virgin), and by the middle of the 7th century the understanding of the title came to include the conviction that Mary remained a virgin for the whole of her life. This notion reinforces the idea that Mary was not touched by this world, indeed her purity of spirit, body and mind signaled her attachment to the realms of the Gods. The passages in the New Testament referring to the brothers of Jesus (for instance, Mark 6:3, which also mentions sisters; see 1 Corinthians 9:5; Galatians 1:19) have been accordingly explained as references to relatives of Jesus or to children of Joseph by a previous marriage.

In the 2nd and 3rd centuries, various Christian writers began to express the belief that, because of her intimate union with God through the Holy Spirit in the conception of Jesus, Mary was completely free from any taint of sin. In 680AD a Roman Council spoke of her as the “blessed, immaculate ever-virgin.” This can be taken one step further it can be suggested that Mary completed the “Holy Trinity” not that she was touched by the Holy Spirit, but that she was the Holy Spirit. Who else could have born the Son of God on earth? Thus completing the Holy Trinity – God the Father, God the Son and God the Mother.

During the late Middle Ages (13th century to 15th century), devotion to Mary grew dramatically. Mary came to be depicted as the one who interceded for sinners. As the fear of death and the Last Judgment intensified following the Black Plague in the 14th century, Mary was increasingly venerated in popular piety as mediator of the mercy of Christ. Her prayers and pleas were seen as the agency that tempered the stern justice of Christ. Indeed Christ had talked of the Comforter, Councillor and Redeemer who would come at the time of the Last Judgment. People turned to Mary for God’s compassion, recognising these as feminine qualities, the qualities of a Mother.

..........
Early manuscripts of the Gospel of James exist in Greek, Syriac, Ethiopic and Georgian. Reaffirming the significance of the role of Mary in the divine play.

The reoccurring themes of purity, chastity, love and compassion dominate the life of Mary, indeed she is the embodiment of these qualities. The qualities of a Mother. But greater than any Mother born of this earth. She is the perfect example of how the feminine power of God manifests itself as a “Mother”, just as Christ is the perfect example of the power of God when embodied as a “son”.

After reading the accounts of Jesus and Mary the question which resounds loud and clear is:

Mary’s place in the Holy Trinity is greater than we realise, could the Holy Ghost be the feminine power of God?

Yes, we have God the Father and Christ the Son, then it is possible for Mary to truly be the ‘Mother of God’ a feminine power and divine force within Her own right. In this She would complete the Holy Trinity, and take Her place within it as the Holy Ghost.
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#932 Mar 2, 2013
The most comprehensive stories about the early childhood of Mary are attributed to the Gospel of Luke and the Gospel of James. This has been documented by historians as being written prior to the year 200AD.

In a document called God the Father of Mercy there is an entire chapter devoted to Mary, the Holy Trinity’s Sign of Mercy. Mary is the object of God’s mercy. This document states:

“Mary becomes the prophet of God’s mercy, as well as it’s icon. She,more than anyone else knows the mystery of mercy that reaches its climax on Calvary. The Virgin who became the Mother of Jesus at Christmas, enabling God’s mercy to become incarnate.”

The qualities of mercy, compassion, comforting and counselling have long since been seen as feminine qualities, all of which Mary emanated. They are also the qualities of the future incarnation promised by Christ,“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, shall teach you all things”(John 14:26) Could it be that he was telling then of the age of the Mother, when the feminine power of God would grace this earth.

Why then has the significance of the Virgin Mary been slowly eroded away by the church? If God Almighty deemed Her pure enough to bear his Son, then it could be suggested that She has a special place in the Holy Trinity. We talk much of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. We have this trinity in the birth of Christ – God the Father, Christ the Son and Mary the Mother. This begs the question:“Is the Holy Ghost a feminine power, a mothering power that came on this earth to bear the Son of God and teach mankind of the mercy and love of God?”.

According to tradition Mary has been called upon as the Mother of Mercy since the 3rd century.

Churches built in honour of the Virgin Mary have been well documented; for example the Emperor Justinian built a splendid church dedicated to Mary in the Temple area in Jerusalem. It was dedicated on November 21, 543AD but was destroyed by the Persians within a century. Mary was also held in the highest regard by early church Fathers praising her –“ She was planted in the House of God, nourished by the Holy Spirit and kept her body and soul spotless to receive God in her bosom. He Who is all-holy rests among the holy.”

James describes the day Mary is presented ..........
this one is long u may go to site for details it tells about the virgin marry that she was considered to be born same way jesus was born and was considered a goddess

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