Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#888 Feb 23, 2013
He then threatened that if I insist on my unscientific ideas, he will denounce me to the Society so that I could be publicly ridiculed and expelled. I admit that I can be a coward at times. I did not want to be ostracized and the idea of being ridiculed publicly did not appeal to me. So I kept my mouth shut and my thoughts to myself. I wondered if there are others who also see things the way I see them but are afraid to speak their minds because of the fear of the believers on one hand and of the deniers on the other. The skeptic society is not skeptic at all. They are simply deniers which makes them believers from the other end. Both the believers and the deniers are the two sides of the same coin. While not speaking to anyone, I remained wondering about the mystery of stones falling from the sky. There was something amiss and I could not put my finger on it. You see, I am ignorant. However, I am lucky because I know it. When I don’t understand something, I don’t deny it. I don’t laugh and ridicule things that I don’t understand. I put them to a mental box labelled “the unknowns”. While my atheist friend denied the whole phenomenon and my religious friend had a renewed faith in his god and they both were content and convinced, the mystery of falling stones kept bugging me. Years passed. Centuries came and went, until in the year 1634, a couple of months before he was charged with heresy and placed in house arrest, I had the privilege to meet the great Galileo. He made me peep into his telescope and see things I had never seen before. He told me about his discoveries and about Copernicus and his theories. He explained that Ptolemy was completely wrong and the sky is full of stones. Suddenly thing made sense to me. It was a complete shift of paradigm. I was finally vindicated. I was not crazy for doubting and for not trusting blindly what the scientists were telling me. More years passed and more centuries came and went. Eventually everyone accepted the heretic views of Galileo. However attitudes did not change. The world changed but people didn’t. My last horse died a century ago and I now drive a car. We filled our houses with all sorts of gadgets but our minds have not changed. My religious friend is still a believer. He attributes anything that he does not understand to God and stops thinking about them. Realizing the story of creation, as stated in his ancient religious book cannot be true, he now advocates “intelligent design”. My atheist friend is a university professor. He teaches astronomy and physics and has forgotten all about Ptolemy. As usual, he is a staunch defender of science. He ridicules anyone who believes in UFOs, telepathy or any other phenomenon that science cannot explain. These days he is not talking about Ptolemy, but Newton and Einstein. As far as he is concerned, humans have discovered everything that has to be discovered and any idea that may go against science is heresy. He has forgotten that he told me the same thing when I first met him a thousand years ago when his views of science were very much different. Me? Oh well, every day I discover that I am more ignorant that I had previously thought. Unlike my religious and atheist friends who are full of certainty, I am filled with doubts. I continue to wonder whether there is more to this universe and whether there are laws governing it that are yet to be discovered. Should I interpret reality to fit my world view or should I adapt my world view to embrace reality?
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#889 Feb 23, 2013
Should I trust my own commonsense or my world view? Could there be other dimensions of which we are not aware? Could there be other breakthroughs in science that could shift our paradigm once again? In this millennium alone, I have witnessed several shifts of paradigms. I won’t be surprised if tomorrow someone discovers that what we think of the world is utterly wrong
I have seen how things that were thought to be impossible, like flying, telecommunicating or going to Moon and Mars, have become possible. I won’t be surprised if one day Nikola Tesla’s prediction that “ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe,” comes true. I don’t laugh when people talk about zero point energy or UFOs. I don’t deride those who say extraordinary things because time has shown that those who laughed were eventually those who were laughed at. I don’t believe, nor do I deny anything. Denial is also a form of belief. I remain a skeptic and full of doubts. As Bertrand Russell said,“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” Elsewhere he said,“Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#890 Feb 23, 2013
Mengal
Reply to
Dear DARE TO DOUBT
Hyderabad, India
I Already have admitted to this fact on this thread that I have average knowledge of history or philosophy, I even has not studied the staunch Ptolemist , Nikola ,Tesla’s Newton and Einstein. Burtend Russel
,However , By the grace of God I am follower of Islam, presented as last message from our creator for man kind and Prophet Himself introduced by this Book or Quran as the seal of prophets, Our fore fathers any time of period accepted this message and we also open eyes on this religion, As you mentioned above, about the ideologies and concepts freely changing as such we too took in to consideration all concept and religions vis a vis Islam including your opinion and after pondering over the same thanks God that we observe that people enlarge are misunderstanding facts and are away from the truth, As such we think it proper in love to our brothers to convey them message and try our best to save them from utter loss,
Dear convincing you ,though looks too difficult as an Atheist or Agnostics, However if Allah gives favor any one than gives him understanding of truth or Islam, so please first I clarify that you are absolutely wrong as the all changes you have doubted were fact and this is our own creation and invention, to which we benefit, if we developed knowledge and science so what, if we discovered rules and system of running universe so what.Yes your horse is deed and you are traveling on car so what, yesterday you will make machine and fly than so what, this is what religion say when I say religion my mean is Islam as all other religions being abrogated are not reserved by creator so that is why you not able to find any good thing in it.
Dear you are correct 1007 year back when a stone fall from sky the poor man started to worship it so to day also people worship the idols, this is why Islam being final message came to guide the man to correct themselves, Exact 1400 year back when son of prophet Mohammad namely Ibrahim was died and on the same day the sun eclipse was happened or fall, people started saying that due to demise of prophets son the sun in mourn hiding it or eclipse has happened. When this was told to prophet .The prophet told no the sun and moon cannot hide them or not give light due to death of any person ,Actually these are signs of Allah and is system of universe which happening, Dear you know that islam or Quran has declares you vicegerent of Him(Allah) and Allah says that He gave men knowledge from his own knowledge to run His universe as a vicegerent of Him, And also Serve him,
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#891 Feb 23, 2013
I do not understand why you are skeptic on invention of aero plane this is the knowledge given you creator to live obey him and do what ever you but do not for give Him, Now please come back I tell you the fact, You are the creation of Creator, Please say me what change happened in you, Whether your eyes have become four instead of two, Whether you have developed your horse to fly. Whether you have succsesssed to control the universe and has changed its course, whether being so high scientist you have been able to sanach the light from sun and handed over it to moon, whether you have made technology to not allow to shift the Soul and succeeded to bring man alive, than you are the right to deny creator or to doubt of His Entity, Thus it would be my request to come back hold the rope of religion you definitely would not be in Loss. What change you see in religion thousands year back prophets set foot on earth and tell that the creator Allah is one to obey or serve one Allah or creator it is people who change the teachings and deviate from truth finally Quran came as Guidance we see no contradiction ,we see no any unreasonable thing in it. islam says you nothing but even with your developments you have to return to Him so Do not forget his Creator and you are doubted only as you have invented latest cars etc, Where you able to get the technology to peep the affairs of after death and on bases od that you deny or become septic to not rely on God (Allah).
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#892 Feb 23, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]
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Please explain why I should not believe these are the rantings of a madman.
22:19 These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads,
22:20 Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted;
22:21 And for them are hooked rods of iron.
22:22 Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning.
37:62 Is this better as a welcome, or the tree of Zaqqum ?
37:63 Lo! We have appointed it a torment for wrong-doers.
37:64 Lo! it is a tree that springeth in the heart of hell.
37:65 Its crop is as it were the heads of devils
37:66 And lo! they verily must eat thereof, and fill (their) bellies therewith.
37:67 And afterward, lo! thereupon they have a drink of boiling water
40:70 Those who deny the Scripture and that wherewith We send Our messengers. But they will come to know,
40:71 When carcans are about their necks and chains. They are dragged
40:72 Through boiling waters; then they are thrust into the Fire.
44:43 Lo! the tree of Zaqqum,
44:44 The food of the sinner!
44:45 Like molten brass, it seetheth in their bellies
44:46 As the seething of boiling water.
44:47 (And it will be said): Take him and drag him to the midst of hell,
44:48 Then pour upon his head the torment of boiling water.This is complete text kindly after reading it express your views,
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#893 Feb 23, 2013
Mengal
Reply to
Dear="Igor Trip
if i am able to help you then, it would be honor for me, otherwise as according to Quran , there is no any compulsion in religion, Allah has clear the truth from falsehood so it is up to you either accept the truth or go behind falsehood, however I have observed most of the
Atheist think and treat the Lord of universe like a human, And so they freely criticise Him just as one of his servants, that why Allah created heaven and enticed the believers for every thing including spouses of equal age, And what a creator, who for his own disobedience has created place such as Hell Fire, and fixed punishment like that you have mentioned herein above,.though in my view text of Quran has not been quoted properly,
Dear i do not understand how to give you sense of understanding to know the position and status and power of that Creator. I am person of average understanding, but I question you that my car is in the porch of my house and i am sole owner of the same, it is a beautiful car, but i do hate to see it running on road, and just now putting it on fire, result is that it turns in to ashes, please tell me who you are the one to question me for my this act?, and what harm this poor car receive me which i did with it, for its unjustified burning?
Let, I give you another example to make you understand your position. I think it is more near to answer your objections and your Atheist brothers.
Some time back I visited a unit or factory where Fiat Tractors were assembling, my friend who was General Manager of that Unit, He took me to show me the workshop where body of enjoins of Tractors were preparing, First he took me site where Raw material in shape of heap was dumping or unloading, that material was in shape of soil and sand than shifting into boilers where all this material for a particular degree was milting and changing in to melting iron water, where after this milting iron were pouring in to baskets and shift to an other section where this melted iron pour in to Moulds of tractor Engine and where after shifted to cold section from where it were drop to a trolley and brought in testing or inspection unit where the qualified inspectors after examination pass it to fit for fitting as Tractor Engine, There were also many rejected Engines which due to some defect were not completely come in good condition as which could not fit and run the Tractor, So my Friend told me that these bodies of engine does not serve the purpose for which they were pour in to mold, though these Engine bodies are engines for all respect, but due to minor fault same cannot use as Engine. These defected Engines once again shift to melting center and once again these would burn ,melt than come back until same come in good condition to be accept able,
Dear now tell me whether this defective engines could agitate that why they shifting back to that fire , the agony of that fire they already along with his badge(colleague) has/have suffered and if this defective engine Agitate, than what it could harm the project director?,
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#894 Feb 23, 2013
Thus Dear you like that Tractor Engine was created By creator for a particular purpose and if you being defective not serve that purpose than you definitely as has been held by the creator to go Hell Fire and your agitation would give you no any benefit.
As Quran tells very clearly that your purpose of creation is nothing but to serve the creator, when you being defective do not fulfill his duty than go to Hell Fire for ever. So who are you to challenge your creator, whom having power to born you thousands time and kill you thousands time, burn you thousands time and re-create you thousands time, your at most having only one reasonable objection that there is no any creator, Than wait, life is not so long and charming that one boast for ever, whereas fifty to sixty years of life pass, so hurriedly like a blink of an eye, if you want to amend yourself, than I on this thread( Mis-understanding Islam) have placed enough material to guide you towards the truth. and also already expressed that one should not be an Atheist and he should adopt a religion after thoroughly examining all religions to satisfy that it is the correct religion and he has not made mistake in selection of truthful and right religion.

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#895 Feb 23, 2013
Qadir mengal wrote:
Thus Dear you like that Tractor Engine was created By creator for a particular purpose and if you being defective not serve that purpose than you definitely as has been held by the creator to go Hell Fire and your agitation would give you no any benefit.
As Quran tells very clearly that your purpose of creation is nothing but to serve the creator, when you being defective do not fulfill his duty than go to Hell Fire for ever. So who are you to challenge your creator, whom having power to born you thousands time and kill you thousands time, burn you thousands time and re-create you thousands time, your at most having only one reasonable objection that there is no any creator, Than wait, life is not so long and charming that one boast for ever, whereas fifty to sixty years of life pass, so hurriedly like a blink of an eye, if you want to amend yourself, than I on this thread( Mis-understanding Islam) have placed enough material to guide you towards the truth. and also already expressed that one should not be an Atheist and he should adopt a religion after thoroughly examining all religions to satisfy that it is the correct religion and he has not made mistake in selection of truthful and right religion.
How can anyone serve a creator who is perfect and thus doesn't need serving?

Your whole argument is weak and could be used for any religion to explain anything (which means it explains nothing).

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#897 Feb 23, 2013
Qadir Mengal wrote:
Qadir Mengal wrote:
Thus please take into consideration the teachings of Islam in a judicious, wise, critical, analytical manner just to satisfy to yourself that you have made no mistake in choice of religion. I am fully confident that you after analytical study of Islam would be compelled to declare according to Anochy the great and famous Japans (Japans) wrestler.
“That today after accepting Islam my Journey towards searching the truth has become complete’’
Mengal
I started looking into islam after the stupid taliban destroyed the buddhas of bamiyan in March 2001. I have read the koran and lots of the hadiths. I HAVE looked at the texts judiciously and critically. And I have utterly rejected islam as any kind of true religion. What true deity would give women the position they have in islam of being repressed and subservient to men? ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL. What true deity would prescribe death for someone who changes imaginary friends? What true deity would have a prophet who was into pedophilia, condoning rape, and murdering people who insulted him? What true deity would try to suppress and repress all other ways of worshiping? What true deity would demand that people lose ALL their natural rights to a CULT? NO true deity would be this ignorant, repressive, and intolerant. I reject islam completely. Allah is a false god, and mohamed was no real prophet at all...just a power-hungry, amoral, dog-hating azzh0le. Enough with the nonsense, Qadir Mengal. Islam has to start answering some really tough questions, or it's going down in a hurry. I will continue to close hearts to islam. You can't fight the TRUTH, Qadir. And it's getting out there. And you can't stop it. Too bad if muslims feelings are hurt. They need to know that they are in a cult, and they need to stop wasting their lives in service of a false god and a false prophet. Hint: if you can't defend it, it's probably wrong.
Your post is filled with the narcissistic mind thoughts of Muhammad.

The Quran is nothing more than Muhammad giving honor and praise to himself.
Muhammad is the god of the Quran demanding the destruction of those that reject Muhammad as prophet.

The Quran is compiled from scraps from Muslims that cannot prove those writings are from God.
Memorizing words from Muhammad talking does not prove that those words came from God.
Muhammad was a worshiper of the pagan moon god called Allah.
Muhammad believed that pagan moon god was talking to him telling Muhammad to kill those pagans that worshiped other idols besides Muhammad's moon god.

Muhammad was possessed listing to Satan instead of God.
If it was God talking to Muhammad he would known that God sustains the Good and evil till the end of his harvest.

God hasn't destroyed us

...because of love.

God knew that there would be humans who would want him and desire him. He knew that a man, a boy, a girl would want to rejoice in his love. Yea, he allows this wicked world to continue until the harvest is complete and the last saint gets saved.

At the end of the harvest this universe will be destroyed and everything will be made new. And in eternity, the righteous will dwell with God. But the unbelieving, and abominable and those reprobate in every good work will be cast out into the lake of fire which burneth with fire and brimstone.

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them,'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'

Muhammad didn't turn to God, he turned to Satan and believed upon Satan for guidance.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#898 Feb 24, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
How can anyone serve a creator who is perfect and thus doesn't need serving?
Your whole argument is weak and could be used for any religion to explain anything (which means it explains nothing).

Mengal
,
Dear Igor Trip,
Salam (peace) and love,

being gentleman you trying to take the way of the truth and what ever you give reply it contains a meaning and logic,it is not necessessary that same to come absulotly correct but see SHAMMA below his every word is false fabricated untrue and shamefulmore overis abusive then how one rebut or reply the abusive langvage because islam doese not permit to use same langvage.Any how now

i come to your reply that "How can anyone serve a creator who is perfect and thus doesn't need serving?"

You are absolutely correct, Allah does e not need our serving Him, It is we to need to serve Him to get His pleasure or submit our will to Him,as for your next para it is your own view which requires review.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#899 Feb 24, 2013
who="Shamma"]<quo ted text>Your post is filled with the narcissistic mind thoughts of Muhammad.
The Quran is nothing more than Muhammad giving honor and praise to himself.
Muhammad is the god of the Quran demanding the destruction of those that reject Muhammad as prophet.
The Quran is compiled from scraps from Muslims that cannot prove those writings are from God.
Memorizing words from Muhammad talking does not prove that those words came from God.
Muhammad was a worshiper of the pagan moon god called Allah.
Muhammad believed that pagan moon god was talking to him telling Muhammad to kill those pagans that worshiped other idols besides Muhammad's moon god.
Muhammad was possessed listing to Satan instead of God.
If it was God talking to Muhammad he would known that God sustains the Good and evil till the end of his harvest.
God hasn't destroyed us
...because of love.
God knew that there would be humans who would want him and desire him. He knew that a man, a boy, a girl would want to rejoice in his love. Yea, he allows this wicked world to continue until the harvest is complete and the last saint gets saved.
At the end of the harvest this universe will be destroyed and everything will be made new. And in eternity, the righteous will dwell with God. But the unbelieving, and abominable and those reprobate in every good work will be cast out into the lake of fire which burneth with fire and brimstone.
Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them,'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'
Muhammad didn't turn to God, he turned to Satan and believed upon Satan for guidance.


[Mengal

Shama,

Why you plead about Bible, do you see word Bible in it, From where Bible word came, Is Jesus give it name of Bible,who speaks on behalf of Jesus, who are Luke, Mata Pawl and others, so please why people daily leaving Christianity and accept Islam,
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#900 Feb 24, 2013
WHY BRITISH WOMEN ARE TURNING TO ISLAM

Lucy Barrington finds the Muslim Faith is winning Western admirers despite hostile media coverage. The Times (London)- Tuesday, 9th November 1993
Unprecedented numbers of British people, nearly all of them women, are converting to Islam at a time of deep divisions within the Anglican and Catholic churches.

The rate of conversions has prompted predictions that Islam will rapidly become an important religious force in this country. "Within the next 20 years the number of British converts will equal or overtake the immigrant Muslim community that brought the faith here", says Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher at a Hull comprehensive and the author of a textbook guide to the Koran. She says: "Islam is as much a world faith as is Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own". Islam is also spreading fast on the continent and in America.
The surge in conversions to Islam has taken place despite the negative image of the faith in the Western press. Indeed, the pace of conversions has accelerated since publicity over the Salman Rushdie affair, the Gulf War and the plight of the Muslims in Bosnia. It is even more ironic that most British converts should be women, given the widespread view in the west that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts outnumber men by four to one, and in Britain make up the bulk of the estimated 10, 000 to 20, 000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britain's "New Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds. They include Matthew Wilkinson, a former head boy of Eton who went on to Cambridge, and a son and daughter of Lord Justice Scott, the judge heading the arms-to-Iraq enquiry. A small-scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger Muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad" said, "The light of Islam will rise in the West" and I think that is what is happening in our day" says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted 15 years ago. She is a consultant to the Zahra Trust, a charity publishing spiritual literature and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West."
Some say the conversions are prompted by the rise of comparative religious education. The British media, offering what Muslims describe as a relentless bad press on all things Islamic, is also said to have helped. Westerners despairing of their own society - rising in crime, family breakdown, drugs and alcoholism - have come to admire the discipline and security of Islam. Many converts are former Christians disillusioned by the uncertainty of the church and unhappy with the concept of the Trinity and deification of Jesus.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#901 Feb 24, 2013
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Like Amatullah -- who was born Cheryl Rumsey in Jamaica, Queens, and raised Episcopalian -- these women are among the estimated 20,000 Americans a year who since the mid-'90s have adopted Islam, a religion that has been receiving much attention since the Sept.11 terrorist attacks. Despite the persistent image of the oppressed Muslim woman, about 7,000 of those converts each year are women, according to the report of a study led by Ihsan Bagby, a professor of international studies at Shaw University in Raleigh, N.C. The study was financed in part by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, based in Washington. About 14,000 of the total number of converts in 2000, the report found, were African-American, 4,000 were white and 1,200 were of Hispanic descent.(Members of the Nation of Islam were not included in the study). Is the religion's draw for women? "The .tightly structured way of life, the regular set of responsibilities, where you know what you believe and you know what you do, attracts some women,” said Jane I. Smith, professor of Islamic studies at Hartford Seminary in Connecticut and author of "Islam in America”(Columbia University Press).
With laws for almost every aspect of life, Islam represents a faith-based order that women may see as crucial to creating healthy families and communities, and correcting the damage done by the popular secular humanism of the past 30 or so years, several experts said. In addition, women from broken homes may be especially attracted to the religion because of the value it places on family, said Marcia Hermansen, a professor of Islamic studies at Loyola University in Chicago and an American who also converted to Islam.

Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#902 Feb 24, 2013
HOLDBROOK ACCEPTED ISLAM
Army specialist Terry Holdbrook had been a guard at Guantánamo for about six months the night he had his life-altering conversation with detainee 590, a Moroccan also known as "the General." This was early 2004, about halfway through Holdbrook’s stint at Guantánamo with the 463rd Military Police Company. Until then, he'd spent most of his day shifts just doing his duty. He'd escort prisoners to interrogations or walk up and down the cellblock making sure they weren't passing notes. But the midnight shifts were slow. "The only thing you really had to do was mop the center floor," he says. So Holdbrooks began spending part of the night sitting cross-legged on the ground, talking to detainees through the metal mesh of their cell doors.
He developed a strong relationship with the General, whose real name is Ahmed Errachidi. Their late-night conversations led Holdbrooks to be more skeptical about the prison, he says, and made him think harder about his own life. Soon, Holdbrooks was ordering books on Arabic and Islam. During an evening talk with Errachidi in early 2004, the conversation turned to the shahada, the one-line statement of faith that marks the single requirement for converting to Islam ("There is no God but God and Muhammad is his prophet"). Hold brooks pushed a pen and an index card through the mesh, and asked Errachidi to write out the shahada in English and transliterated Arabic. He then uttered the words aloud and, there on the floor of Guantanamo’s Camp Delta, became a muslim.

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#903 Feb 24, 2013
Qadir mengal wrote:
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
How can anyone serve a creator who is perfect and thus doesn't need serving?
Your whole argument is weak and could be used for any religion to explain anything (which means it explains nothing).
Mengal
,
Dear Igor Trip,
Salam (peace) and love,
being gentleman you trying to take the way of the truth and what ever you give reply it contains a meaning and logic,it is not necessessary that same to come absulotly correct but see SHAMMA below his every word is false fabricated untrue and shamefulmore overis abusive then how one rebut or reply the abusive langvage because islam doese not permit to use same langvage.Any how now
i come to your reply that "How can anyone serve a creator who is perfect and thus doesn't need serving?"
You are absolutely correct, Allah does e not need our serving Him, It is we to need to serve Him to get His pleasure or submit our will to Him,as for your next para it is your own view which requires review.
Sorry but you said we are here to serve our creator yet you also say he doesn't need serving. So why are we here?

The Quran says he created us to worship him which would mean that God created man to tell God he's wonderful. So that doesn't work.

Maybe he was bored and needed a hobby.
Mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#904 Feb 27, 2013
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
Sorry but you said we are here to serve our creator yet you also say he doesn't need serving. So why are we here?
The Quran says he created us to worship him which would mean that God created man to tell God he's wonderful. So that doesn't work.
Maybe he was bored and needed a hobby.
Mengal
Dear Igore Trip,
Dear actual Allah has created you of his own Vicegerent on earth, and also make subservient all creatures of you, Again Allah one an other made favor with you being His chosen entity that out of we who ever obey and discharge his duties faith fully he will be rewarded in the next life however if any one did not obey and denied His authority He will burn Him in hellfire in the next life, so therefore we serve him just to be deserve of Garden or heaven in next life.

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#905 Feb 27, 2013
Mengal wrote:
who="Igor Trip"]<quoted text>
Sorry but you said we are here to serve our creator yet you also say he doesn't need serving. So why are we here?
The Quran says he created us to worship him which would mean that God created man to tell God he's wonderful. So that doesn't work.
Maybe he was bored and needed a hobby.
Mengal
Dear Igore Trip,
Dear actual Allah has created you of his own Vicegerent on earth, and also make subservient all creatures of you, Again Allah one an other made favor with you being His chosen entity that out of we who ever obey and discharge his duties faith fully he will be rewarded in the next life however if any one did not obey and denied His authority He will burn Him in hellfire in the next life, so therefore we serve him just to be deserve of Garden or heaven in next life.
We were made by God for God so that we may know God and love God.
God calls us to Himself by His love for us.

The problem Muslim is that Muslims don't have the spirit of God in them.
Muslims have the spirit of Muhammad in side them.

Your explanation is filled with the spirit of Muhammad.
"Worship Me" or I will kill you.
That is not the spirit of God.

God is not a religion to follow.
Islam is a religion, Christianity is not a religion.
Christianity is the relationship with God as our Father guiding us through this world into being with Him in His heavenly Kingdom.

God being invisible and unapproachable in his own state of Being, in wanting to have communion with us, who made us in His own image of Himself, found it necessary in order to have communion with us, His created, revealed Himself to us through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

Through our belief in Jesus Christ, Gods Son, Christians become children of God and belong to God as family members of Gods family.

Muhammad created his own religion, and forced Arabs to become members of his tribal god family, of which Muhammad is the father of his own religion, of which he has chosen for Muslims.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

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#906 Feb 27, 2013
Mengal wrote:
Dear Igore Trip,
Dear actual Allah has created you of his own Vicegerent on earth, and also make subservient all creatures of you, Again Allah one an other made favor with you being His chosen entity that out of we who ever obey and discharge his duties faith fully he will be rewarded in the next life however if any one did not obey and denied His authority He will burn Him in hellfire in the next life, so therefore we serve him just to be deserve of Garden or heaven in next life.
The world and its animals was doing just fine before people came along. It doesn't need us. We need it.

So how can we serve God when neither he nor this world need us?

As for following his rules there's the slight problem of there being thousands of religions all of which disagree with each other.

The Quran says messengers were sent to all the peoples of the world yet there's not a hint of them anywhere outside of Arabia. Even in Arabia none of the early prophets in the Books of Moses ever talk about an afterlife. As for Jesus, he banned divorce and said no one would be married in heaven (so no virgins for you).

Islam is just the word of one man. There's no evidence that anyone else agreed with him.

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#907 Feb 27, 2013
It all has to do with spiritual faith Igor, in which you atheists lack.

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#908 Feb 27, 2013
Timesten wrote:
It all has to do with spiritual faith Igor, in which you atheists lack.
Faith is only needed when there is NO evidence. It's the worst possible reason to believe anything.

So why did all those messengers your all knowing God sent to all the peoples of the world fail so utterly?

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