Mis-understanding Islam?
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#766 Sep 15, 2012
Qadir mengal wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus was born with flesh and bones. He also required food to live like other human being,
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! God sent a real mediator between us and Him.
He didn't just fake it.

The Quran says there is plenty of food in Paradise so food can't be that unholy.
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#767 Sep 15, 2012
Qadir mengal wrote:
..he never unequivocally claim as God or ask his followers to worship him as a God. He never claims divinity, or any word trinity, existed in bible.
John 5:17,18 -“My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.'

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 -“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them,“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them,“I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them,“Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying,“For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him,“I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him,“Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say,'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him,“My Lord and my God!”

jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#768 Sep 15, 2012
Qadir mengal wrote:
<quoted text> Apostle Jesus P.B.U.H being mightiest messenger of Allah came only for Jews, and for that period as same is evident from bible. He had come for the last sheep of Israel.
John 10:16

"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd."
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#769 Sep 15, 2012
Qadir mengal wrote:
<quoted text>But amazingly Christians from there own self raised him on a status of God Almighty,
BUT, BUT, BUT His disciples, who travelled teaching about him, were supposed to be Muslims (according to the Quran).
jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#770 Sep 15, 2012
1 Timothy 4
New International Version (NIV)

'4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.'
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#771 Sep 16, 2012

In deed the Moses was prophet and was way to God at his time. So as Jesus was prophet and way to God at his time or period. The both messenger of Allah Almighty were own self were Jews and send for only Israelites or Jews for that period. Prophet Mohammad (saw) is seal of Messengers and is final apostle of Allah and was sent for whole man kind. Amazingly Christians took Jesus as God and claimed trinity a word which itself is strange for bible in all books of bible there is no any unequivocal or clear word in which Jesus himself has claimed as God are he asked to followers to worship him as God. This was the fact that seventy two (72) eminent Scholars of different sects of Christianity took out the world trinity and throw it out from bible as in revised standard published bible saying that word trinity is interpolation and concoction in bible.

Lo! In this regard a dialog with Dr. Zakir Naike on Peace T.V could be best material on this subject No doubt Jesus is favorite Prophet of Muslims as Quran speak about Jesus and trinity.

Surrah IV verse 171:-

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: or say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the sun of marry was (no more than) an apostle of Allah and his word, Which He bestowed on marry, and a sprit proceeding from Him: So believe in Allah and his apostles say not ' trinity' desist it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: Glory be to Him (for Exalted is he) above having a son. To him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as disposers of affairs”.

However, if any Christian having any doubt about the Prophet Hood of Jesus I invite him in his own benefit to watch Peace TV and listen Dr. Zakar Nike on the topic about the major religions. Similarities between Islam and Christianity. Is Jesus crucified or otherwise?

In deed truth has come or heard against false hood and false hood will perish. The false hood by its nature bound to perish.

Jinn Martini

Billerica, MA

#772 Sep 16, 2012
Qadir mengal wrote:
JESUS /JEWS/QURANDr. Zakar Nike on the topic about the major religions. Similarities between Islam and Christianity. Is Jesus crucified or otherwise?
In deed truth has come or heard against false hood and false hood will perish. The false hood by its nature bound to perish.
Actually, the most of the smartest and well studied Islamic scholars think he's a charlatan. They just don't say it too loud because he's a fellow Muslim, and Muslims like to show a united front to non Muslims, whether their fellow Muslim is wrong or not. The image of Islam and Muslims is usually more important than the actual truth.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#773 Sep 16, 2012
who="Jinn Martini"]<quoted text>
Actually, the most of the smartest and well studied Islamic scholars think he's a charlatan. They just don't say it too loud because he's a fellow Muslim, and Muslims like to show a united front to non Muslims, whether their fellow Muslim is wrong or not. The image of Islam and Muslims is usually more important than the actual truth.


Dear "Jinn Martini"
would you please explain the word "charlatan"
Jinn Martini

Billerica, MA

#774 Sep 16, 2012
Sure, it's a person who makes false claims or half truths. For example, although in 79:30 the word dahaha was always translated as stretched out, recently, charlatans such as himself try to reinterpret it as "egg shaped" (referring to the shape of an ostrich egg), so that he can claim a Quranic miracle that the Quran knew the earth was round. Now, one of the things the Quran consistently does is to repeat the same things over and over again, And everywhere else where it mentions the earth, it always says Allah stretched it out and says nothing about round or egg shaped. And neither does 79:30. Dahaha does not mean egg shaped, if refers to the action of a mother ostrich when she spreads the dirt out to make a pit for her egg. Spreading the dirt out matches the mention of spreading out in every other instance where the creation of the earth is mentioned in the Quran, so this correct interpretation of it referring to the mother ostrich spreading out the dirt makes perfect sense and is consistent with the rest of the Quran.

Now, on this Islamic site, a Muslim asked whather 79:30 means egg shaped or not, and mentions a scholar that is telling him it does, but he does not mention the scholar by name as to avoid embarrassing him, but it's pretty clear who he is talking about. So read his question and then their answer


Now, also notice that they are careful not to insult this "scholar" as they correct him because he's a fellow Muslim, so even if he's wrong, his reputation must be respected.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#777 Sep 20, 2012
who="Not Quite"]<quoted text>Let me ask you a question here. As I have stated, I'm learning about Islam. I try to be neutral, because as a Christian, I believe in Jesus and what the holy scriptures say. But -- now let me ask you a question about the Qu'ran. I saw a scripture that said Mary (the mother of Jesus), was approached by an angel that looked like a fully formed man. OK, let's say that part is true, I don't know. Let's just say it is. Then nothing is said in detail about HOW she became pregnant after that, except that God (Allah) can do anything ... it's no small thing for him. So -- alex123, what say you? Did he have an earthly father, or she simply reproduced, um, how would you say the Qu'ran says?[


Dear Not Quite,

The version of Bible is as that God Himself acted like an Animal,So God of Jesus is as much like as animal and He had no power to save Him from such absurdity. This is which Quran absolutely forbids to utter such like thing to God,
Who is above all such absurdities which people attribute to Him,

Now come to Quran ,

According to Quran when Allah wants to do any thing He only say "Be" and "it is" let us come original Koranic text-

.Sura III Section 5 Verse 42

Behold! The angles said:
“O Mary! Allah giveth thee
Glad tidings of a Word
From Him: his name
Will be Christ Jesus,
The son of Mary, held in honor
In this world and the Hereafter
And of (the company of) those
Nearest to Allah;

46. "He shall speak to the people
In childhood and in maturity,
And he shall be (of the company)
Of the righteous.
47. She said: "O my Lord!
How shall I have a son
When no man hath touched me?"
He said : " Even so :
Allah createth:
When He hath decreed
A plan, He but saith
To it ‘Be and it is!
Section 2
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#778 Sep 20, 2012
Section 2

Sura . XIX, Verse 16

16. Relate in the Book
(The story of) Mary,
When she withdrew
From her family
To a place in the East.

17. She placed a screen
(To screen herself) from them;
Then we sent to her
Our angel and he appeared
Before her as a man
In all respects.
18. She said : " I seek refuge
From thee to (Allah)
Most Gracious:(come not near)
If thou dost fear Allah".

19. He said : " Nay, I am only
A messenger from thy Lord,
(To announce) to thee
The gift of a holy son."

20. She said : " How shall I
Have a son, seeing that
No man has touched me,
And I am not unchaste?"

21. He said : " So (it will be):
Thy Lord saith , That is
Easy for me : and (we
Wish) to appoint him
As a sign unto men
And a Mercy from Us':
It is a matter
(So) decreed."

22. So she conceived him.
And she retired with him
To a remote place.

23. And the pains of childbirth
Drove her to the trunk
Of a palm-tree:
She cried (in her anguish):
"As! Would that I had
Died before this ! would that
I had been a thing
Forgotten and out of sight!"
24. But (a voice) cried to her
From beneath the (palm-tree):
" Grieve not! For thy Lord
Hath provided a rivulet
Beneath thee;

25. " And shake towards thyself
The trunk of the palm-tree:
It will let fall
Fresh ripe dates upon thee/

26. "So eat and drink
And cool (thine) eye.
And if thou dost see
Any man, say,'I have
Vowed a fast to (Allah)
Most Gracious and this day
Will I enter into no talk
With any human being."

27. It length she brought
The (babe) to her people.
Carrying him (in her arms).
They said: " O Mary!
Truly an amazing thing
Hast thou brought!

28.“O sister of Aaron!
Thy father was not
A man of evil, nor thy
Mother a woman unchaste!

29. But she pointed to the babe.
They said : " How can we
Talk to one who is
A child in the cradle?"

30. He said : " I am indeed
A servant of Allah:
He hath given me
Revelation and made me
A prophet;

31. "And he hath made me
Blessed wheresoever I be,
And hath enjoined on me
Prayer and Charity as long
As I live;

32. "(He) hath made me kind
To my mother, and not
Overbearing or miserable;
33. "So peace is on me
The day I was born,
The day that I die,
And they day That I
Shall be raised up
To life (again)"

34. Such (was) Jesus the son
Of Mary :(it is) a statement
Of truth, about which
They (vainly) dispute.

35. It is not befitting
To (the majesty of ) Allah
That He should beget
A son. Glory be to Him!
When He determines
A matter, He only says
To it, "Be," and it is.
36. Verily, Allah is my Lord
And your Lord: Him
Therefore serve ye : this is
A way that is straight.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#779 Sep 21, 2012
Muhammad bin Lyin

Lowell, MA

Qadir Mengal wrote:
that you give it meaning what you wish,

41:11 clearly has the earth existing when the universe was a vapor, and then 41:12 clealry tells us that the stars were created after the earth already existed. There's no way anybody can make this correct.
So which came first? The earth being joined with the vapor that the sky was, or the earth being parted from the sky? You said that 41:11 is talking about what happened after the big bang. So if the earth was separated from the sky before it was joined with the sky when the sky was vapor, and you say this happened after the big bang, then the earth being separated from the sky happened well after the big bang. These verses aren't talking about the big bang at all. That's just desperate Muslim propaganda that is false. Nobody tries to twist their scriptures more than Muslims.

Qadir Mengal wrote:
that after Big Bang there was a cahious , disorder and disunity, And the sky(the upper Air) was lying in between like a smoke than same was ordered to join with earth and as Quran says they joined in obedience.

41:11 and 41:12 clearly tell us that the air was joined with the earth before the 7 heavens and the stars were created. This is clearly wrong.


Dear-- Muhammad bin Lyin
Lowell, MA
We sitting on this thread to help our own human brothers, dishonesty, deceiving, distorting facts, inventing false material and attributing it to an other person or religion is not service for humanity but it harms the interest of fellow brothers,

Please your this statement

“( Earlier, you said it was before the big bang, so when I show you that this doesn't work, you merely change your story.)”

is absolutely wrong that on this thread or any where on these topics we have ever discussed this mater. You have first time appeared on this thread but again distorted, invented and concealed the Qurans words and than presented material of own same having no nexus with verses of Quran, I am giving relevet verses below and than try to translate it.


41-9 Say: Is it that ye

Deny Him Who created
The earth in two days
And do ye join equals
With Him? He is
The lord of (all)
The Worlds.

41-10- He created(set)on the(earth)
Mountains standing firm.
High above it,
And bestowed blessings on
The earth, and measured therein
All things to give them
Nourishment in due proportion,
In four days,in accordance
With(needs of)
Those whoseek(sustenance)


As mentioned already above,

41-12- So He completed them
As seven firmaments
In two days, and He
Assigned to each heaven
Its duty and command.
And we adorned
The lower heaven
With lights,and(provided it)
With guard,Such
Is the Decree of(Him)
The Exalted in Might
Full of Knowledge.
Dear now follow the commentary (continued)
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#780 Sep 21, 2012


"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heaven and the earth were joined together as one united piece then We parted them? And we have made from water every living thing.Will they not then believe."

Dear-- Muhammad bin Lyin
Lowell, MA
The above verse of Quran is related incident of Big Bang theory, all the scholars of Islam or on consensus this fact, it is Quran who 1400 hundred year back clearly pointed out that the present universe prior its present position was lying in mass and nebula like material and in result of expulsion and separation come to existence, as such this fact you only in year 1973 discovered through a group of scientist, so please do not further comment on this verse from his own.

Now before commenting on verse
41-11which is as follow

I take you back to
Quran verses
41- 9-10-Which are as follow,
9- Say: Is it that ye

Deny Him Who created
The earth in two days
And do ye join equals
With Him? He is
The lord of (all)
The Worlds.

41-10- He created (set)on the(earth)
Mountains standing firm.
High above it,
And bestowed blessings on
The earth, and measured therein
All things to give them
Nourishment in due proportion,
In four days, in accordance
With (needs of)
Those who seek(sustenance)

Please note that word Yaum or plural Ayyam used in Quran for two meanings first a day, second a long period, again Quran one place also has mentioned that in near of Allah a day is equal of fifty thousand years of earthly days.

According to above verses, almost all commentators of Quran translated that Allah created earth in two days and than in further two days created mountains and set things which were necessary for nourishment of those who seek the substance,
Thus now read the next verse41-11 together it that the sky (upper Air) was lying like smoke in between seven firmaments as such Allah said it to join together with earth which in obedience joined with earth.

Where after the rest of the heaven Allah converted in two days in seven firmament as verse41-12 of Quran indicates and out of them lowest heaven connected our system adorned with lights And so than each heaven was assigned to its duty. This was my commentary as average muslim . However as I am not an scholar of Quran therefore if I have make any mistake in my view than please follow the version of that scholar like Dr,Zakir Naik of Mumbai (India).

However I request you please do not use words from his own as you did= instead of smoke as vapor, because there is big difference in both.

who="Day"]This here be the TRUE/REAL EVILNESS of Islam,
Religion of Anti-Feminism.
{If applicable; To get the article on one page, certain sections may have been deleted, they are marked by the two letters, DS. Day}
This here be from;
Qadir mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#782 Sep 23, 2012

Whogeorge whyte.lo mengal is the koran for all times and all places, if the answers yes, can you please explain.

Why you keep saying things like this verse is for when Muslims did this erect.

George Whyte, dear Quran revealed in a certain period, Please all this message would touch those people, And those people were the first persons whom Quran addressed and those persons were Arabs who spread the message, So you definitely find verses which were attached with certain incidents but deduction from message is for benefit of all times, no doubt as I had quoted in giving answers to Yooooo, in regard to give Qurans glade tiding to Muslims that unbelievers though at present becoming happy for success of Persians treating them their brother but soon Allah will make able christens to defeat the Persians.

French Historian and writer Gibbon while highlighting that incident are occurrence had given its account almost in following works
“The Christen Empire of Rome had last Jerusalem to the Persians and Christianity had been humbled in the dust. At the time it seemed out side the sounds of human possibility; looking the inner resources and condition of Persian and Roman Empire and their armies that the table would be turned and position would reversed with in 8 or 9 years.”

The pro, Persian Quriash rejoiced exceedingly and redouble their persecution against the Holy Prophet, whose message was renewal of the message of Christ in Jerusalem. Then passage of Quran V. 1 – 7 revealed, which clearly foreshadows the final defeat of Persia as a preload to the destruction of the Persian Empire after defeat of Roman Empire. Many Pagans as a taunt approach the Abu- Bakar saying that Quran has not prescribed a definite period as such the passage of Quran is nothing but a vague talk, just console the Muslims to take out from humiliation. On that it is stated that the Abu- Bakar told the pagans that this passage of Quran indicates defeat of Persians about with in the 5 years. When this conversion came to the knowledge of Prophet Mohammad (SAW) He told to Haszrat Abu- Bakar that this word, bizahun (in the text meaning used from 3 to 9 years) so you should have to tell the pagans that this defeat would happen with in 9 years. And than World or Muslims and Maccas Qureish or idolaters saw the defeat to their own eyes, though this statement came to console
Qadir mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#783 Sep 23, 2012
the Muslims but complete and fulfillment of prophecy benefit the all time people who could get guide see and believe.

Holy Quran, Sura xxx,1 to 7.

1. A.L.M
2. Roman Empire Has been defeated-
3- In a land close by but they {even} after
{this} defeat of theirs,
Will soon be victorious-
4. Within a few years- With Allah, is the Decision;
In the Past
And in the future;
On that Day shall
The Believers rejoice
With the help of Allah .

5. He helps whom He will,
And He is Exalted in might,
Most Merciful.

6.[It is] The promise of Allah.
Never does Allah depart
From His promise;
But most men understand not.

7. They know but the outer
[Things] in the life
Of this world; but
Of the End of things
They are heedless.

George white.
Qadir mengal

Quetta, Pakistan

#787 Sep 29, 2012

It was 1979, when first time Islamic laws were introduced in the shape of Hadood Ordinance, 1979. There were apprehensions, misunderstandings and propagandas that these laws could cause or create chaos and horrific situation in the society or Country. Many scholars inside and abroad of the country started criticism on promulgation of these laws. Many questions posed for implication and affects of these laws, particularly cases of property or theft i.e offence against property (Enforcement of Hudood) Ordinance 1979. The people were guessing that society would be plunged into people of amputated persons. So was view about the cases of Zina (fornication) of Hudood Ordinance that people onward would be seen flogging every nook and corner of the country in result of these Hudood Laws. However, soon after promulgation of these laws, same proved a good assets for society and it was observed that without these laws, no any peace and harmony could be achieved in the Country. I myself as ---------- witness of this fact that prior to promulgation of Qisas & Diyat Ordinance there were Tehsils like Usta Muhd (Jaffar Abad), where ratio of murder in some months usually rose up to 80 to 89 murders. The people of the area before promulgation of Qisas & Diyat Ordinance were full in distress position. British promulgated laws of Pakistan Penal code virtually had become failed to control crimes on account of non-providing compound-ability for heinous offence. On account of these, almost in every single sub-tribe more than 50 persons from each side entangled in dreadful feuds and losing every day 10 to 15 persons from each side. There was no any; solution inside for solving these problems or resolve these murders. On each conviction, enmity in these sub-tribes further becomes depend and next day another murder happens, but by the grace of God, The Qisas & Diyat Ordinance altogether changed this position and helped these segments of the society by providing way for settlement. The people started to compensate each other and settled their affairs by means of compromise. In result, again in couple of years, these distress segments of society started spending normal life. The ratio of murder from 89 to 89 (Reference see criminal record of Tehsil Usta Muhd year 1987 -88) reduced up to 10 to 15 murders per Month. The old legal system actually was a curse for our society and for common people. Previously, in a single murder, the children of deceased, so as children of culprits including the inmates of the affected families virtually were destroying.. In a single murder, more than 15 persons almost lost their every means in result they faced the hunger, whereas in present position on account of Diyat, all these persons were saved from such distress position. Anyhow, the upshot of this is that God gifted laws, which are more effective and more beneficial for society and requires proper attention for implementation and good governance.
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#788 Oct 13, 2012
who="Jinn Martini"]
Qadir, you didn't answer this question. Maybe you didn't see it. Are you saying that
Allah tests which is best of us so that he can know who deserves heaven and who doesn't? And if not, then why does he test us? Isn't the only reason for anybody or anyone to test anything because they want to see how the results go?


Dear "Jinn Martini"
Your query that,
(Allah tests which is best of us so that he can know who deserves heaven and who doesn't?Allah tests which is best of us so that he can know who deserves heaven and who doesn't? And if not, then why does he test us? Isn't the only reason for anybody or anyone to test anything because they want to see how the results go?

Answer is no,absolutely not,
But according to my little knowledge about teachings of Islam, You are the choice and best creation of Allah, He also made you His
vicegerent, gave you knowledge from his own knowledge to rule over this world.And His mercy does not finish this world, He after death also in his eternal wisdom again instead of any other creation chosen to send you in that world (called Hereafter). For success in that world, only one condition set-out that is too is in your reach, either to do good and take Higher reward "Paradise" or do bad and go in "Hellfire", this what is in your own hand,So Passing of this test is in your hand,However Allah Through His own Messengers and through books well inform you and bring this fact in your knowledge that you tomorrow may not say that he had no knowledge of reward(paradise) or Hellfire or was not aware that what were rules and conditions to pass this exam or test?
Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#789 Oct 13, 2012

Qadir mengal wrote:
The Prophet’s actions and words were remembered and later recorded (known as Hadith), so that Muslims in future generations to the end of time could try to act and speak as he did. He has served as an example for all Muslims in all periods to modern times. He will remain a model example for all of humanity.

So you like those good ole' hadith's eh' Tell me the story of the 'night journey' apostle Muhammad took.

I'll wai

Dear Warrior’

You are right the story of night(Meraj) Even we today un able to digest, that how it is Possible Allah would take His servant(Mohammad) in a moment of night from mecca to Yoroshalem(Al-Quds) philistine and from where to heavens and bring him back to Mecca,
Dear you are the not single person to object, Exact at the time of night story even a house hold illiterate lady such as Omma Hani the cousin of Prophet hold prophet from his Cloth and begged that this event you Prophet may not tell people as no one believe you,

Prophet this is not my own invent, As such he has to recieve it to every body, When this story was told to Sahaba the companions, then hearing of it by Nonbelievers started taunting like you and one person seeing Abubaker a close friend and companion of prophet tell him, now go and hear your friend Mohammad(saw) telling that he in one night went from mecca to Al-Qudus Mosque and from to heavens than after visiting them come back,

Abubakar you are not telling truth, However, if it is correct, than same is true, However when this taunting did not stop , than Abubaker came to a suggestion that you people know that Mohammad(saw) never has visit Al-qudus Mosque and has not seen Phalisteen so many of us who have seen Mosque Al-Quds And its suburbs, so let we go and ask from Mohammad(saw) That if he claims that he in same night went from Mecca to Philis ten AlQudsmosque, So kindly tell us some signs of Mosqu and its description, So Abubakar along with these Taunters, who have seen the Mosque Al-Quds went to prophet, Where abubakar addressed Prophet, O prophet As you claim that in night went from Mecca Masjid Haram to Mosque Al- Quds and from where went to heavens, we only for our satisfaction wanted some signs to tell us about Mosque Al-Quds(philistine) It is stated that prophet at sudden went in shock,But in the second Moment told Ask what ever you want, so then who ever questioned about Mosque its suburbs Prophet immediately answered him, when People saw this they became silent and taunting finished, Later on prophet told When Abubakar told him so I felt as earth went under his feet, as he had not noticed such things But In the very moment Allah brought the Alqudus mosque and it suburbs in my front so my worry vanished.

Dear Now you about 1400 hundred year back taunting like them, But do not see in Quran hundreds and thousand like other stories and incidents have been told and all that heve been proved fact, so would you not come out of your own world and follow your those schohler brothers who day by day accepting Islam.
Jinn Martini

Trollhättan, Sweden

#790 Oct 13, 2012
Yep, muzzies are misunderstanding islam alright.

They think it's cool.

Qadir mengal

Islamabad, Pakistan

#791 Oct 14, 2012

The Laws of sharia, basically related to solve the problems of man to man or individual to individual. So as disputes between the society. But Islam having an other aspect it has special relation to man and his creator there are other various field of human conduct to live on this earth and carry their personal matters as such these or not obligatory, however Islam gives for them guidance and for good Muslim one expects to follow the same. However for them there is no punishment or penal law. No doubt Islam also keeps of his own.

Political system or ideology and in this regard there are certain guidance which are given below.

First- A Muslim must know that real authority is with creator the Almighty Allah and he is only His vicegerent on earth to spend his life according to the dictums of creator.

Second one has to know that he is not only accountable before his fellow human beings but at the same time he is accountable before the creator.
Third one should know that he is not independent but bound to hear his fellow beings and run the affairs of state with consultation to other fellow beings. For the betterment of society.

Fourth, his all effort must be to serve his fellow beings and fulfill their needs give them justice in all circumstances.

Fifth he must strive for peace and enter in to pacts with his own neighbors to earn peace for state and further try to live with among them amicably.

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