Proof that the Quran thinks the Earth is Flat

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AskMe

Wolverhampton, UK

#1 Sep 30, 2012
I have read many articles over the last year where different people have tried to explain that the Quran is describing a flat earth. Countering this, many Muslims like Dr Naik have tried to prove that the Quran is describing a spherical model as we know it today. What I find with Dr Naiks arguments is that he makes too many assumptions and tries to manufacture Quran verses to fit his model. This is both dangerous from religious and scientific viewpoints.
From a religious viewpoint, if anybody can do this, we can easily create another subset within Islam and create a new religion. How do you think the Shias, Kadianis, Ismaelies sprung up. If we assume too much, we will soon find Naik claiming to be a new prophet. He is already trying to prove the Quran wrong and is well on his way as he has commanded a reasonable following. This also makes Dr Naik a Kafir, as he is trying to prove the Quran wrong.

From a scientific viewpoint, Dr Naik, whilst trying to prove that the Quran is very scientific, is also breaking the basic rules of science. He is making too many assumptions in his arguments and is running around all the scientific encyclopedias to find theories that fit his model. He is very imaginative and cunning, hence deceiving even the muslim scientific minds. Naik and Bucaille have truly taken the Muslims for a ride and have made a lot of money by telling Muslims what they want to hear. The Muslims, on the other hand are completely blind and are following them in masses. Since Naik and Bucaille are both medics, their arguments are equivalent to assuming that when a patient walks through the door, he/she must have cancer and immediately start administering chemotheraphy treatment. We know how dangerous this assumption would lead to. A doctor would immediately be struck off if he/she made such assumptions. You would normally look for symptoms and follow up with blood tests, scans etc before making any conclusions.

I will now prove to you that the Quran is only describing a Flat model. I will achieve this by quoting only verses from the Quran.
For strengthening my argument, I have used 7 Suras, which either contain descriptive verses or verses that would only be applicable to a Flat earth model. If I have missed any suras that describe a spherical model, please bring this to my attention and I will update this document. So far, I have not found any verses that support a spherical model. I have used the Noble Quran translation, which is very well accepted and trusted by the Muslim world. I would strongly recommend you to use your own trusted version to follow these verses. The Noble Quran can be found at www.thenoblequran.com .

Before I continue, for the benefit of those who are not scientific, we need to understand the main differences between the belief that existed since the Greek civilisation in a flat world model, until Galileo (1564 1642) proved that the earth was spherical. Galileo was persecuted by the Christians and made to renounce his findings as it went against the teachings of the Bible. We should thank him for our space exploitation today. It has given us Satellite TV, Mobile Phones etc. I will now explain the two models below :-
AskMe

Wolverhampton, UK

#2 Sep 30, 2012
Flat Earth Model

Belief assumed earth was completely flat
Day and night could not happen simultaneously
Earth fixed and sun orbiting the earth
Myths were ripe surrounding where the sun set and rose from
Model could only support a single sunrise and sunset point
Model could not support different time zones across the world
AskMe

Wolverhampton, UK

#3 Sep 30, 2012
Spherical Earth Model

Earth is almost spherical with a few minor exceptions around the poles
Earth orbits the SUN
Earth is spinning to give us day and night simultaneously
SUN is static relative to the earth
Each point on earth has its own sunrise and sunset point
Different time zones supported across the world

Before I present the verses of the Quran that describes the earth, I will start of with the following verse.
AskMe

Wolverhampton, UK

#4 Sep 30, 2012
Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:3)

We verily, have made it a Qur'n in Arabic, that you may be able to understand (its meanings and its admonitions).

This verse is clearly telling us that the Quran is meant to be easily understood and not what Dr Naik assumes, by taking us around the universe. Galaxies were not understood at the time the Quran was revealed and hence would have confused the people at the time. Also, as you will notice, all suras I have pointed out were revealed in Makkah, at a time when the prophet was under immense pressure to explain every verse of the Quran clearly. Naik is using fallacy and creating his own science in the Quran.
AskMe

Wolverhampton, UK

#5 Sep 30, 2012
These are the Descriptive verses
Sura Al-Kahf (18:47)
And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.
Sura Taha (20:53)
Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation.
Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:10)
Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way.
Sura Az-Zukhruf (43:38)
Till, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says [to his Qarn (Satan / devil companion)] "Would that between me and you were the distance of the two easts (or the east and west)" a worst (type of) companion (indeed)!
Sura An-Naba (78:6)
Have We not made the earth as a bed,
Sura An-Naziat (79:30)
And after that He spread the earth;
AskMe

Wolverhampton, UK

#6 Sep 30, 2012
These verses would only be applicable to a flat earth belief

Sura An-Naml (27:61)

Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).Is there any ilh (god) with Allh? Nay, but most of them know not.

Sura Al-Kahf (18:86)

Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

Sura Al-Kahf (18:90)

Until, when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allh) had provided no shelter against the sun.

Sura Yasin (36:38)

And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

Sura Yasin (36:40)

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.

All these verses support a Flat earth model that the Quran is describing. I strongly encourage you to read these Suras in their entirety, to prove to yourself that I have not taken or used any verse out of context. If you feel that I have missed any verses which describe or support a spherical model, please provide me the verses from the Quran. Any imaginations not supported by a verse from the Quran will NOT be acceptable.

jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#7 Oct 2, 2012
QURAN TRANSLATED IN 1880 (READ VERSE 15):
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/sbe09/067.htm

“M.A....Rise”

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#8 Oct 2, 2012
Idiots, the holy quraan said" the earth is dihahaa which means its like round shaped and not a flat

Go study arabic, if u r handicapped in the mind lol

Its the bible who said the earth is flat and sorted out corners for it, Go read ishaic verses

Ignorant christians

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#10 Oct 2, 2012
Islam was a religion of science and all affairs in life, Islam pursued the way for muslims to shine in scientific fields.

But christianity??? with the radical classic priests manage over europe, european scientists were killed for disproving and going against the bible.

The bible contains many errors and illogical things which science goes in opposition with it, thats why when someone on old times spoke against it, he was persecuted
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#11 Oct 2, 2012
Egyptian_lad wrote:
Islam was a religion of science and all affairs in life, Islam pursued the way for muslims to shine in scientific fields.
But christianity??? with the radical classic priests manage over europe, european scientists were killed for disproving and going against the bible.
Right...right...
Muslims:

http://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/201...

Christians:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OLt8lmXynys/UFag2_A...

Keep shining in the scientific fields.

“M.A....Rise”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#12 Oct 2, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Right...right...
Muslims:
http://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/201...
Christians:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OLt8lmXynys/UFag2_A...
Keep shining in the scientific fields.
faith, back centuries behind, muslims were advanced than you

since muslims got weak, they went so backward and u xtians went advanced, Power gives stability and progress on all fields

Thats why im one of the muslims that believe in islamic power, I hope we back again Powerful, even if its on expense of other muslim states.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#13 Oct 2, 2012
Egyptian_lad wrote:
<quoted text> faith, back centuries behind, muslims were advanced than you
since muslims got weak, they went so backward and u xtians went advanced, Power gives stability and progress on all fields
Thats why im one of the muslims that believe in islamic power, I hope we back again Powerful, even if its on expense of other muslim states.
Really? So what happened? Huh? We're sending robotic spacecraft to Saturn, walking on the Moon, curing illnesses and the muslims are still beheading "sorcerers" and stoning rape victims for "adultery". You people will never advance. Anytime anyone among you tries to make any progress...he is killed and anything you people build anything, someone blows it up. Good luck.

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#14 Oct 2, 2012
Egyptian_lad wrote:
Idiots, the holy quraan said" the earth is dihahaa which means its like round shaped and not a flat
Go study arabic, if u r handicapped in the mind lol
Its the bible who said the earth is flat and sorted out corners for it, Go read ishaic verses
Ignorant christians
Translators disagree.

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Transliteration Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

Muhammad Asad And after that, the earth: wide has He spread its expanse,
M. M. Pickthall And after that He spread the earth,
Shakir And the earth, He expanded it after that.
Yusuf Ali And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);
Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar And, after that, He spread out the earth.
Wahiduddin Khan and the earth which He spread out,
T.B.Irving and the earth has He spread out besides,
[Al-Muntakhab] and the earth did He prepare for life at a later date.*
[Progressive Muslims] And the land after that He spread out.
Abdel Haleem and the earth, too, He spread out,
Abdul Majid Daryabadi And the earth!- thereafter He stretched it out.
Ahmed Ali And afterwards spread out the earth.
Aisha Bewley After that He smoothed out the earth
Ali nal And after that He has spread out the earth in the egg-shape (for habitability).
Ali Quli Qara'i and after that He spread out the earth,
Amatul Rahman Omar And along with it He hurled the earth away (from a bigger mass) and spread it forth.
Hamid S. Aziz And after that He expanded (spread) the earth.
Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali And the earth, after that He flattened it (for life).
Muhammad Sarwar After this, He spread out the earth,
Muhammad Taqi Usmani and, after that, He spread out the earth.
Shabbir Ahmed And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped.('Dahaha' entails all the meanings rendered (21:30),(41:11)).
Syed Vickar Ahamed And more, He has extended the earth (far and wide also in the shape of an egg):
Umm Muhammad (Sahih International) And after that He spread the earth.
Farook Malik After that He spread out the earth,
Dr. Munir Munshey And after that, He spread out the earth.
Tahir-ul-Qadri Mohammad And He is the One Who, later,(after the creation of the planet sun) separated (from it) the earth, flung it with centrifugal force (and spread its expanse to make it inhabitable).
Dr. Kamal Omar And the earth, after this stage, He gave it an oval form.
Bilal Muhammad And the earth, moreover, has He extended.
Maududi and thereafter spread out the earth,

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#15 Oct 2, 2012
I forgot to name the verse. It's 79:30
http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/defa...
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#16 Oct 2, 2012
Egyptian_lad wrote:
Islam was a religion of science and all affairs in life, Islam pursued the way for muslims to shine in scientific fields.
But christianity??? with the radical classic priests manage over europe, european scientists were killed for disproving and going against the bible.
The bible contains many errors and illogical things which science goes in opposition with it, thats why when someone on old times spoke against it, he was persecuted
WARNING: DON'T BASE YOUR FAITH ON SCIENCE!
Satan, who existed before the earth was created, knows science and would be more likely than God to use it to defend himself like a criminal!

God loves intelligent modern people, and God loves ancient people who had no scientific knowledge, no telescopes, chemistry labs, no exray machines.......etc.

Saying the Quran contains "scientific miracles" is a huge mistake!
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#17 Oct 2, 2012
AskMe wrote:
Spherical Earth Model
Earth is almost spherical with a few minor exceptions around the poles
Earth orbits the SUN
Earth is spinning to give us day and night simultaneously
SUN is static relative to the earth
Each point on earth has its own sunrise and sunset point
Different time zones supported across the world
Before I present the verses of the Quran that describes the earth, I will start of with the following verse.
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SATAN KNOWS WHAT SHAPE THE EARTH IS!!!!!!
jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#18 Oct 2, 2012
ISLAM IN THE BIBLE:
1 Timothy 4

'4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.'

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