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Who is the tribe of Quraish, from which Mohammed came?

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#1 Sep 27, 2010
Below is an excerpt from the book, Islam: In Light Of History by Dr. Rafat Amari

Read Dr. Amari's book and learn in detail about Islam's false claims.

Here is the excerpt:

Who is the tribe of Quraish, from which Mohammed came, and when did Quraish occupy Mecca? The answers to these questions are critical to our understanding of Islam and its claims.

Another argument in our quest to discover the truth about Mecca concerns the identity of Quraish, the tribe from which Mohammed came, and when the Quraish occupied the city of Mecca. Quraish is a gathering of many Yemeni families with no prior family connections between them. They were gathered by Qusayy, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed. Ibn al-Kalbi, one of the most important Arabic historians, said: The tribe of Quraish was a gathering of different families, all related to each other through matriarchal lines, but it is not a tribe which began from one father or one mother or nursemaid. According to al-Tabari, another of the biographers of Mohammed, as well as other narrators of Islamic tradition, the term “Quraish” means “gathering.” This supports what Ibn al-Kalbi said. The one who had gathered these families was Qusayy bin Kilab. He was helped by his half brother on his mother’s side, named Razeh bin Rabieh bin Haram. Razeh belonged to the tribe of Kuthaah, which was in Yemen. Armed with these historical facts, we conclude that the tribe to which Mohammed belonged did not exist prior to Qusayy bin Kilab, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed, who was a Yemeni. Since his half brother was living in Yemen, we assume Qusayy came from Yemen recently and nothing is known about his ancestors. We only know he was not part of a known tribe.

We can also conclude that, when he wanted to occupy the city, he was not backed by a tribe, something Arabians were careful to do when they planned a raid. Instead, Qusayy bin Kilab gathered several Yemeni families with no tribal connections among them. This gathering later became known as Quraish.

No Marked Descendancy for the Ancestors of Mohammed in History This refutes the Islamic claim that Mohammed’s ancestors formed a clearly-delineated and well-known line in Arabia, extending back to Ishmael.

If this were so, the ancestors of Mohammed would have been a large tribe, well-marked in Arabia for 2,600 years before Mohammed. If the Islamic claim were true, the tribe of Quraish would have been like the tribe of Judah, from which King David descended. Judah continued to be a wellorganized and well-recognized tribe after the death of King Solomon. It continued throughout history until the Christian era. Its branch, which was the tribe of David, was well-marked in the history of Israel until the birth of Jesus, who drew His humanity from it. But when we study the history of the ancestors of Mohammed, we find no tribe before his 8th ancestor. No Yemeni inscription speaks about such a family or tribe, and individual families were never known as tribes. This is contrary to the idea that Mohammed’s family had an old and well-marked descendancy, as Islamic tradition claims.
iknowthetruth

United States

#2 Nov 28, 2010
Xcaliber wrote:
Below is an excerpt from the book, Islam: In Light Of History by Dr. Rafat Amari
Read Dr. Amari's book and learn in detail about Islam's false claims.
Here is the excerpt:
Who is the tribe of Quraish, from which Mohammed came, and when did Quraish occupy Mecca? The answers to these questions are critical to our understanding of Islam and its claims.
Another argument in our quest to discover the truth about Mecca concerns the identity of Quraish, the tribe from which Mohammed came, and when the Quraish occupied the city of Mecca. Quraish is a gathering of many Yemeni families with no prior family connections between them. They were gathered by Qusayy, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed. Ibn al-Kalbi, one of the most important Arabic historians, said: The tribe of Quraish was a gathering of different families, all related to each other through matriarchal lines, but it is not a tribe which began from one father or one mother or nursemaid. According to al-Tabari, another of the biographers of Mohammed, as well as other narrators of Islamic tradition, the term “Quraish” means “gathering.” This supports what Ibn al-Kalbi said. The one who had gathered these families was Qusayy bin Kilab. He was helped by his half brother on his mother’s side, named Razeh bin Rabieh bin Haram. Razeh belonged to the tribe of Kuthaah, which was in Yemen. Armed with these historical facts, we conclude that the tribe to which Mohammed belonged did not exist prior to Qusayy bin Kilab, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed, who was a Yemeni. Since his half brother was living in Yemen, we assume Qusayy came from Yemen recently and nothing is known about his ancestors. We only know he was not part of a known tribe.
We can also conclude that, when he wanted to occupy the city, he was not backed by a tribe, something Arabians were careful to do when they planned a raid. Instead, Qusayy bin Kilab gathered several Yemeni families with no tribal connections among them. This gathering later became known as Quraish.
No Marked Descendancy for the Ancestors of Mohammed in History This refutes the Islamic claim that Mohammed’s ancestors formed a clearly-delineated and well-known line in Arabia, extending back to Ishmael.
If this were so, the ancestors of Mohammed would have been a large tribe, well-marked in Arabia for 2,600 years before Mohammed. If the Islamic claim were true, the tribe of Quraish would have been like the tribe of Judah, from which King David descended. Judah continued to be a wellorganized and well-recognized tribe after the death of King Solomon. It continued throughout history until the Christian era. Its branch, which was the tribe of David, was well-marked in the history of Israel until the birth of Jesus, who drew His humanity from it. But when we study the history of the ancestors of Mohammed, we find no tribe before his 8th ancestor. No Yemeni inscription speaks about such a family or tribe, and individual families were never known as tribes. This is contrary to the idea that Mohammed’s family had an old and well-marked descendancy, as Islamic tradition claims.
G-D bless you. I've been looking for this info. Thank you so much for posting.
faruk khan

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#3 Oct 6, 2011
My requet to dr.rafat please read the quran and follow it and reserch it. you dont have follow any historian to find the fact.go there and look for it.with your open mind.the way we belive in other prophet as mesenger of god.tribe does not stay as is century after century.can you find your 5th genaration or your privious tribe or your clan.ask your oldest living person inyour famaly.
MINKULLA YUSUF

Abuja, Nigeria

#4 Nov 12, 2011
This is not a well research paper so you can scientifically prove your position on the origin of the quraish.what you just want to do is to discreadit our properth Muhammad t peace be upon him.
please try to be objective in your works.
YASRAEL MEDJAY--

Seattle, WA

#5 Aug 3, 2012
im muslim and this info is not new becuse its recorded in al tabari which is where drrafat amari go his info from- you read surah 2:40 it cleary tells you our prophet muhammed s.w.s-warned bani israel about being not THE FIRST to reject the message--and all muslims know the prophes go to their OWN people FIRST--so yes prophet muhammed was actually from bani israel who had migraed to YEMEN--and formed a himayrite israelite kingdom---and our prophet is a decendent ofthem thrugh yemeni israelite quraysh who had fallen into idol worship---just as the torah had said israel would--also yemenite had mixed blood with the saba-ens of saba whom nai/king suliman had cildren with---salamu alaikum
Asim shah

United States

#6 Mar 9, 2013
Asalam.o.alaikum
dosto koi mujhe bta sakta k Quraish k kis Qabelay ko Qureshi num 1 kaha jata plz agar koi janta hai to btaye
John cameron

Toronto, Canada

#7 Jun 23, 2013
Wow, really, all we can gather from this and other claims, is that the history is lost.
Too bad,
I choose that fact.
And the fact is, only one god there is, wheather you call him alla, Jehovah, YHWH or whatever....peace be with
We are all sons and daughters of the same
zishan siddiqui

Germany

#8 Oct 17, 2013
what Dr Rafat Amri discover in a research that is shamefull.....I thik he engorged so many historical fact. Arabs have full belive in the ancestral linage and it so important for them becuse they organised in the form of tribes.Arabs are those pepole who write there horse linage.they dont know Mohammad (pbuh) linage.whole world know Makkah and Kaba was also same important for pagan Arabs.and it was undar the control of Quraish.how these Arab who know there linage but dont know Quraish origin give the control of kaba to a unknown group of people. and giveing them that much respaect as shown by primary historical fact.was they are biggest tribe of that time who occupied Kaba by force.No they a few in number..they controling kaba and makkah dew to there linage and nobility......that is the fact.....we didt hide any thing and left the thing....to research letar to get a forgotten tribe like jewes.Evey thing is documantad.evey part of life of mohammad is documanted .and we stablish sceience of ASMA WER RIZZAL to examin the oral and written tradition of Hadith.in primay sources of Hadith defined the linage of holy prophet up Hazrat Adnan by name and then with Ismail(as) and Ibrahim(as).........but we know the resion why they denied nonality of Quraish......if u contact me.....my id is..[email protected]
zishan siddiqui

Germany

#9 Oct 17, 2013
Note..plesce dont mind my English because am urdu speaking guy...
Acrodding to jew and christian....Hagar was servant of Sara and Ismail was a wild man whose hand is against every one.even Ismail was first born but not right hair of Abraham. he and his mother cast out from home aftar a small quarrel.and they are not that much respactfull in the eye of jewes but he have a relation between Abraham . he was not his hair but his blood. that is the fact that.they denied nobality of quraish and there origin.becaus it establish the relathion of Abraham and Mohammad.but they can't change the fact.in eye of God every body is equall.and he seeing the righteous deed not the linage and relation.all the Faithfull are his hair.evaey body known people of Israel worshipped goldan calf and people of Ismail worshipped false god.but daughter of pharaoh belive in God of universe.
Dharma bhai

Ashburn, VA

#10 Oct 18, 2013
Quaraish are Kouravs of Mahabharath
Ghandhar(kandhar) kingdom of present day Afghanistan

Quraishis are ku-wanshis (Ku-evil,wanshis-ancesters) from kouravs who waged the war against lord Krishna in Mahabharat and were defeated.

Kandhar was ruled by Shakuni from Kourav(Mohammad,Quaraish) side and after Mahabharat war Quraishis were beaten by Pandavas and Quaraishis left Ghandhar for further left to Marusthal like Dharmic scriptures says

Quaraishis lived like namads after defeat and hated Dharmic ways.

Quraishis were devouted to Almighty lord Shiva like other Evil Asors coz Lord Shiva never does partiality with his worshippers and bless everyone equally.

Black stone is Shiv ling(cosmic pillar of Universe) in Dharma stolen by Mohammad from another Temple to keep LordShiva with him

Day Kabah stone come back to Hindus ,Islam will be finished.
Hehehe

Bangalore, India

#11 Feb 3, 2014
Dharma bhai wrote:
Quaraish are Kouravs of Mahabharath
Ghandhar(kandhar) kingdom of present day Afghanistan
Quraishis are ku-wanshis (Ku-evil,wanshis-ancesters) from kouravs who waged the war against lord Krishna in Mahabharat and were defeated.
Kandhar was ruled by Shakuni from Kourav(Mohammad,Quaraish) side and after Mahabharat war Quraishis were beaten by Pandavas and Quaraishis left Ghandhar for further left to Marusthal like Dharmic scriptures says
Quaraishis lived like namads after defeat and hated Dharmic ways.
Quraishis were devouted to Almighty lord Shiva like other Evil Asors coz Lord Shiva never does partiality with his worshippers and bless everyone equally.
Black stone is Shiv ling(cosmic pillar of Universe) in Dharma stolen by Mohammad from another Temple to keep LordShiva with him
Day Kabah stone come back to Hindus ,Islam will be finished.
Ha ha ha. You're funny.
Fajar

Bogor, Indonesia

#12 Feb 3, 2014
A fairy tale disguised by repeated words of "historical fact". He clearly didn't research the full extent of Arabic history as he claim he did.

1. What is the best way to support your unsupported-by-most-historians -"historical fact"? Yes, just find one historian which supported your claim, in this case Ibn al-Kalbi, and dress him as "one of the most important historians" or any claims which bring such effect.

2. Which At-Tabari words support Ibn al-Kalbi's claim other than explaining the origin of the word "Quraish"? Misleading people to believe At-Tabari support any such claim is what the author do.

3. Let's see some of the "historical facts" he claimed:

a. "Razeh belonged to the tribe of Kuthaah, which was in Yemen."

Wonder why he didn't mention WHEN Qudha'ah was in Yemen? The tribe of Qudha'ah originally came from Yemen ancestors, which many of Arabic tribes did, then they migrate to Syria. The land of Qudha'ah is Syria. After his mother remarriage to Rabi'ah in Haram, Qusay ibn Kilab (one of Prophet Muhammad's ancestors) was brought to Syria. Then he came back to Makkah to reclaim his fathers' homeland.

b. "Armed with these historical facts, we conclude that the tribe to which Mohammed belonged did not exist prior to Qusayy bin Kilab, the 8th ancestor of Mohammed, who was a Yemeni."

That escalates quickly. Wonder why his conclusion is so far-fetched?

"Since his HALF-BROTHER was living in Yemen, we ASSUME Qusayy came from Yemen recently and nothing is known about his ancestors."

Please, do your research. It is Qusay's half-brother who belonged to Qudha'ah (which was debated whether or not they came from Himyar tribe, which was in Yemen a long time ago) and the author clearly said that it was his half-brother. And no, his half-brother didn't live in Yemen. Qusay's ancestral lineage until Adnan is widely known. Whether he migrate from Syria (which was the case), Yemen, Iraq, Iran, or wherever, what matters is his ancestral lineage and what tribe he originally from, not his location.

c."We can also conclude that, when he wanted to occupy the city, he was not backed by a tribe, something Arabians were careful to do when they planned a raid. Instead, Qusayy bin Kilab gathered several Yemeni families with no tribal connections among them. This gathering later became known as Quraish."

This is a continuation of his assumptions. Qusay fought the Khuza'ah alongside the tribe of Kinanah and Fihr (which later renamed Quraish), both were descendants of Adnan, who was not from Yemeni tribes.

d. "No Marked Descendancy for the Ancestors of Mohammed in History This refutes the Islamic claim that Mohammed’s ancestors formed a clearly-delineated and well-known line in Arabia, extending back to Ishmael."

This claim is clearly not supported by any Arabic historians.

e. "If this were so, the ancestors of Mohammed would have been a large tribe, well-marked in Arabia for 2,600 years before Mohammed. If the Islamic claim were true, the tribe of Quraish would have been like the tribe of Judah, from which King David descended."

He ignored the fact that Arabic tribes were nomadic. Think of Israelites before Moses.

What really happened:

The tribe of Quraish (which was not named that time) is descendants of Fihr ibn Malik, who was descendants of Adnan, who was descendants of Prophet Isma'il. They were divided into many tribes, scattered around borders of Makkah, and without a leader who can unite them. Makkah was ruled by the tribe of Khuza'ah, which reigned from 2nd century AD after the fall of Jurhum.

That was before Qushay ibn Kilab (5th century AD), also descendants of Fihr ibn Malik, came back from Syria (homeland of Rabi'ah ibn Haram, Qushay's mother's second husband who belonged to Qudha'ah) to Makkah, his own ancestor's homeland. Qushay united his relatives, descendants of Fihr ibn Malik, to overthrow Khuza'ah reign. After he accomplished his objective, he GATHERED his relatives to enter Makkah, thus the origin of "Quraish".

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